I am considering this bandsaw....it has a 4" dustport, nice fit &finish....
"Seems" like the Amarican made one....(the model before the X5) but would
like to hear about it....
Vibration? Quality of cut? (I will put Viking/TimberWolf blade)
Is it strong enough to get good tension in the blade? the salesman told me
that the Viking/TimberWolf require 30% less tension ....
One friend is trying to get me buy the General International 14" 90-100M1
steel frame, he is saying that I will get more tension in the blade and a
better cut quality...is it true?
thanks
--
Mike
IF you listen to me and get a Powermatic instead of the Delta, you'll be
one happy camper. If you don't heed my advice, start searching for
vibration reduction tips, plus lose the extra features like carter
guides, cut-line blower, work light, and vibration free sawing. If you
decide to get the Delta anyway, don't say I didn't warn you.
dave
Mike wrote:
> I am considering this bandsaw....it has a 4" dustport, nice fit &finish....
> "Seems" like the Amarican made one....(the model before the X5) but would
> like to hear about it....
> Vibration? Quality of cut? (I will put Viking/TimberWolf blade)
> Is it strong enough to get good tension in the blade? the salesman told me
> that the Viking/TimberWolf require 30% less tension ....
>
> One friend is trying to get me buy the General International 14" 90-100M1
> steel frame, he is saying that I will get more tension in the blade and a
> better cut quality...is it true?
>
> thanks
>
>
Mike wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> I went to PB, this is the place I intend to buy it....
>
> I am so afraid in buying a band saw I will not like...
>
> I saw th GI 90-125, the King 14" &17", the Delta 28-206 & X5.....
> What about vibration on your GI?
>
> apparently they are all good....but from what I read here, and also in
> magazine, the X5 (or American made Delta's ) are less prone to give me
> headache.....
> what do you think?
Hi Mike - I did have some vibration when I bought the saw because the
tire was not installed correctly. Didn't take long before I found
the problem. If I had more money, I would buy the American Delta, or
if I had lots more money I would by a bigger better saw. That said, I
like my saw and it's adequate for what I need - I can cut nice straight
rips with my saw, and I've cut some 1/8" veneer that came out very nice,
and the saw has resawn 11" walnut slowly.
Some things about the Deltas are more solid than my saw: Cast iron
trunions compared to aluminum, the Delta lower blade guide is closer to
the work, and the wheels have nine spokes.
/Brian
Thanks Danny,
I went to your web site and saw your new book....
That might be what I am looking for...thanks
Mike
"Danny Proulx" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Thanks Mike,
> If you have any questions drop me an email at [email protected]
> Regards,
> Danny--
> Danny Proulx
> Rideau Cabinets
> PO Box 331
> Russell, Ont.
> K4R 1E1
> 1-613-445-3722
> http://www.cabinetmaking.com
Hi,
I've bought Building Traditional Kitchen Cabinets from Jim Toplin....I like
it...
I am not sure yet if I will do the kitchen myself or buy pre-fab unit.....I
am afraid to take too long building them myself....shaker is a good
option...nice looking and easier to build than some other design.
from Danny Proulx, I've bought this one:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0941936562/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1790059-2431133?v=glance&s=books
I've returned it!!! useless for me....
I do have the Jessem Mast-R-Lift.....wonderful!!!! I do have the Incra Ultra
24"....I did not use it very much for dovetail so far....and I am often
using an home build fence to handle larger router bits.....so I am not sure
if this costly piece of equipment worth it...
You story with the 28-206 is scarring me.....I don't want to much trouble
with a bandsaw......I've just order the Bandsaw book from Amazon and
hopefully, it will help me....
--
Mike
yeah, but we don't have the Powermatic here in the Montreal (Canada)
area....
also I think the price would be close the X5 and not to the 28-206...which
is $750CDN
(X5 is $1300CDN)
--
Mike
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> IF you listen to me and get a Powermatic instead of the Delta, you'll be
> one happy camper. If you don't heed my advice, start searching for
> vibration reduction tips, plus lose the extra features like carter
> guides, cut-line blower, work light, and vibration free sawing. If you
> decide to get the Delta anyway, don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> dave
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>
Thus spake "dave" !!! Wow, can you tell who owns the Powermatic?
In fact, I think the difference in tension between the Powermatic and most
of
the others was about 30% to 40% less, but I can't remember the numbers,
only the relative difference. Its just something I read in a bandsaw
review,
covering the Powermatic, Jet, Delta, Grizzly, and a few others. I'm sure
your
BS does handle a 3/4" blade, but can it handle it for 12" resaws? Mine can
handle a 3/4" blade also, but when re-sawing its important to have proper
beam strength with the blade, to reduce the amount of deflection thats
possible.
SO, I like to run a 5/8" blade instead. I figure by backing the size off a
notch,
I'm able to tension the blade to a higher PSI without putting as much stress
on
the wheels. And I think the 5/8" is still wide enough for resawing..
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> the Powermatic handles a 3/4" blade perfectly. what have you been
smokin'?
>
> dave
>
> David Binkowski wrote:
>
> > The Powermatic doesn't tension as high as the Delta 14".
> >
>
Hi Brian,
I went to PB, this is the place I intend to buy it....
I am so afraid in buying a band saw I will not like...
I saw th GI 90-125, the King 14" &17", the Delta 28-206 & X5.....
What about vibration on your GI?
apparently they are all good....but from what I read here, and also in
magazine, the X5 (or American made Delta's ) are less prone to give me
headache.....
what do you think?
--
Mike
"Brian Sullivan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> Hi - The Powermatic is certainly not the only good 14" bandsaw around.
> Those who make statements implying this are full of it. I know the
> 14" US made Delta is very nice, as is the Jet, and I've heard good
> things about others too. I bought the 14" GI 90-125 and I think it cuts
> as well as the Delta, for about $400CAD less than the Delta. Most of
> these saws will require some tuning, so get a good book like
> Duginskie's Bandsaw handbook, or
> As for the GI 90-100M1, FWW wrote that it can tension more than the
> Delta or its clones, but it can't take a riser block, which I think is
> a big minus.
> Buy from a good dealer, and if you have any problems your dealer should
> be able to resolve them. In Montreal, I really like Outils Berger on
> Tachereau.
> /Brian
>
> PS. Apologies if this is a duplicate posting. I didn't see the first
> version I wrote.
>
>
Mike,
Yeah, I have bought several, about 80 bucks worth through Amazon, money well
spent. A couple on cabinet building with plans and material lists, one on
cabinet doors and drawers, nothing I would consider a cabinet bible, but
enough that I have an overall plan now. The book that seems will be the
most help is "Build Your Own Kitchen Cabinets" by Danny Proulx - Amazon
link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558706763/qid=1071083787//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_
He tends to use a lot of melamime coated ply, I will be using maple ply and
edge banding cut from maple stock instead of the cheaper rolls of
banding...but the build is similar...going with euro style and shaker style
doors as the wife wants (easier to build for me so no complaints from my
end).
I decided on the purchase of 5 major tools to add to my workshop with the
savings on building my own cabs to offset the cost. Cabinet saw with router
and lift built into table extension, Jointer, Wide belt sander, Bandsaw, and
a 2 micron dust collector system. Had every other hand/power tool
needed...oh and a dovetail system...chose the Incra Twin Linear for
versatility.
BANDSAW UPDATE...the adjustable blade guard and upper guide assembly does
not track parallel to the blade when adjusting through its entire range
(high to low). I am about to call Delta with this newly discovered flaw
now...I shall see how they respond. Man I should have stuck with the JET!
Mike,
Yes....be afraid...be very afraid. I would not but this Delta saw again
myself...I would go with the jet...their taiwanese quality surpasses this
first Delta attempt at foreign manufacturing, obviously they have alot to
learn about quality control in a distant land, a lesson that JET deems to
have mastered.
I am back to calling Delta now to see if they can or will do anything about
the blade guard misalignment. Maybe I can shame them into something grand?
Perhaps replacement with a US made saw for my troubles...we shall see.
Gary
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> the Powermatic handles a 3/4" blade perfectly. what have you been smokin'?
>
> dave
>
> David Binkowski wrote:
>
> > The Powermatic doesn't tension as high as the Delta 14".
> >
Dave,
Have you no comprehensive skills at all. What he said was the
Powermatic doesn't tension as high. That would make a difference to
some people just as much as the little blower means to you.
Rich
If you TRULY think the Delta is as good as the Powermatic, YOU are "full
of it", as you so aptly wrote. Perhaps you haven't really put them both
through their paces.
dave
Brian Sullivan wrote:
> Hi - The Powermatic is certainly not the only good 14" bandsaw around.
> Those who make statements implying this are full of it. I know the 14"
> US made Delta is very nice, as is the Jet, and I've heard good things
> about others too. I bought the 14" GI 90-125 and I think it cuts as
> well as the Delta, for about $400CAD less than the Delta. Most of
> these saws will require some tuning, so get a good book like
> Duginskie's Bandsaw handbook, or
> As for the GI 90-100M1, FWW wrote that it can tension more than the
> Delta or its clones, but it can't take a riser block, which I think is
> a big minus.
> Buy from a good dealer, and if you have any problems your dealer
> should be able to resolve them. In Montreal, I really like Outils
> Berger on Tachereau.
> /Brian
>
> PS. Apologies if this is a duplicate posting. I didn't see the first
> version I wrote.
>
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> IF you listen to me and get a Powermatic instead of the Delta, you'll
>> be one happy camper. If you don't heed my advice, start searching for
>> vibration reduction tips, plus lose the extra features like carter
>> guides, cut-line blower, work light, and vibration free sawing. If
>> you decide to get the Delta anyway, don't say I didn't warn you.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering this bandsaw....it has a 4" dustport, nice fit
>>> &finish....
>>> "Seems" like the Amarican made one....(the model before the X5) but
>>> would
>>> like to hear about it....
>>> Vibration? Quality of cut? (I will put Viking/TimberWolf blade)
>>> Is it strong enough to get good tension in the blade? the salesman
>>> told me
>>> that the Viking/TimberWolf require 30% less tension ....
>>>
>>> One friend is trying to get me buy the General International 14"
>>> 90-100M1
>>> steel frame, he is saying that I will get more tension in the blade
>>> and a
>>> better cut quality...is it true?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Hi - The Powermatic is certainly not the only good 14" bandsaw around.
Those who make statements implying this are full of it. I know the
14" US made Delta is very nice, as is the Jet, and I've heard good
things about others too. I bought the 14" GI 90-125 and I think it cuts
as well as the Delta, for about $400CAD less than the Delta. Most of
these saws will require some tuning, so get a good book like
Duginskie's Bandsaw handbook, or
As for the GI 90-100M1, FWW wrote that it can tension more than the
Delta or its clones, but it can't take a riser block, which I think is
a big minus.
Buy from a good dealer, and if you have any problems your dealer should
be able to resolve them. In Montreal, I really like Outils Berger on
Tachereau.
/Brian
PS. Apologies if this is a duplicate posting. I didn't see the first
version I wrote.
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> IF you listen to me and get a Powermatic instead of the Delta, you'll be
> one happy camper. If you don't heed my advice, start searching for
> vibration reduction tips, plus lose the extra features like carter
> guides, cut-line blower, work light, and vibration free sawing. If you
> decide to get the Delta anyway, don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> dave
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>> I am considering this bandsaw....it has a 4" dustport, nice fit
>> &finish....
>> "Seems" like the Amarican made one....(the model before the X5) but would
>> like to hear about it....
>> Vibration? Quality of cut? (I will put Viking/TimberWolf blade)
>> Is it strong enough to get good tension in the blade? the salesman
>> told me
>> that the Viking/TimberWolf require 30% less tension ....
>>
>> One friend is trying to get me buy the General International 14" 90-100M1
>> steel frame, he is saying that I will get more tension in the blade and a
>> better cut quality...is it true?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>
You know, I shouldn't have teased dave in that last post. After all,
I'd be angry too if I had bought a Powermatic!
One of my favorite posts was a response to a guy who was agonizing
over buying a table saw. I followed his posts for a while, and his
journey on the way to getting his table saw. After he bought it, there
was a response to his purchase saying only "You should have bought
the other one.".
Buyer's remorse. We've all been there. And I think even with the
best of tools, the Excelsior 5000 gold plated limited edition tool, we
always wonder if that other one would make us happier. :-)
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"David Binkowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Thus spake "dave" !!! Wow, can you tell who owns the Powermatic?
>
> In fact, I think the difference in tension between the Powermatic and most
> of
> the others was about 30% to 40% less, but I can't remember the numbers,
> only the relative difference. Its just something I read in a bandsaw
> review,
> covering the Powermatic, Jet, Delta, Grizzly, and a few others. I'm sure
> your
> BS does handle a 3/4" blade, but can it handle it for 12" resaws? Mine
can
> handle a 3/4" blade also, but when re-sawing its important to have proper
> beam strength with the blade, to reduce the amount of deflection thats
> possible.
> SO, I like to run a 5/8" blade instead. I figure by backing the size off
a
> notch,
> I'm able to tension the blade to a higher PSI without putting as much
stress
> on
> the wheels. And I think the 5/8" is still wide enough for resawing..
>
>
> --
> The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
> So I installed it on Linux...
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > the Powermatic handles a 3/4" blade perfectly. what have you been
> smokin'?
> >
> > dave
> >
> > David Binkowski wrote:
> >
> > > The Powermatic doesn't tension as high as the Delta 14".
> > >
> >
>
>
11/15 Bought this machine at a tool show here in town. 11/24 P/U machine.
11/28 Assembled machine found fit and finish not as good as other JET
machine I recently purchased.
On start up saw had severe vibration.
Isolated the main problem to an out of balance bottom wheel.
Fix1: 4 penny weight out of balance using crude balancing methods, but this
solved the major vibration.
Further investigation revealed that the bandsaw tires did not sit flat on
wheels.
Fix2: Removed wheels and tires from wheels, inverted tires and shaved flash
from injection molding process during manufacture. Reinstalled wheels.
The machine now runs relatively smooth, a little vibration but within my
tolerances for a machine of this price.
Spoke with Delta technician during the above described processes and to
their credit Delta is shipping a new "in balance" bottom wheel free of
charge rush delivery. Tech was very helpful and understanding to my
concerns, went so far as to locate the part from "I don't know where" since
part is back ordered. But he assures me it is new and comes from a reliable
source that has checked the balance.
I purchased this bandsaw after speaking with the Delta Rep at the tool show.
I had decided to go with the JET 14 but the Delta Rep pointed out the larger
table, cast iron trunion, 4" dust port, and blade tension quick release as
unique features, he mentioned the 9 spoke wheels also..with the free table
saw tenoning jig (which I was going to purchasing anyway) and 50 rebate the
costs were equal so I chose the Delta for these extra features.
My Kitchen renovation project begins soon and I will be putting this saw to
the test.
Thanks Mike,
If you have any questions drop me an email at [email protected]
Regards,
Danny--
Danny Proulx
Rideau Cabinets
PO Box 331
Russell, Ont.
K4R 1E1
1-613-445-3722
http://www.cabinetmaking.com
"newspost" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike,
>
> Yeah, I have bought several, about 80 bucks worth through Amazon, money
well
> spent. A couple on cabinet building with plans and material lists, one on
> cabinet doors and drawers, nothing I would consider a cabinet bible, but
> enough that I have an overall plan now. The book that seems will be the
> most help is "Build Your Own Kitchen Cabinets" by Danny Proulx - Amazon
> link:
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558706763/qid=1071083787//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_
>
> He tends to use a lot of melamime coated ply, I will be using maple ply
and
> edge banding cut from maple stock instead of the cheaper rolls of
> banding...but the build is similar...going with euro style and shaker
style
> doors as the wife wants (easier to build for me so no complaints from my
> end).
>
> I decided on the purchase of 5 major tools to add to my workshop with the
> savings on building my own cabs to offset the cost. Cabinet saw with
router
> and lift built into table extension, Jointer, Wide belt sander, Bandsaw,
and
> a 2 micron dust collector system. Had every other hand/power tool
> needed...oh and a dovetail system...chose the Incra Twin Linear for
> versatility.
>
> BANDSAW UPDATE...the adjustable blade guard and upper guide assembly does
> not track parallel to the blade when adjusting through its entire range
> (high to low). I am about to call Delta with this newly discovered flaw
> now...I shall see how they respond. Man I should have stuck with the JET!
>
>
funny you should mention the 5/8 blade. I just picked one up yesterday.
It leaves a nicer finish than my 3/4. I can't get the riser yet; the
unit is new and word is they will be available in January. For what I
want to use a BS for, the PM is perfect. I don't intended to go out in
the south forty and cut down a 100 year old oak and mill it myself.
Stores that carry the Powermatic AND Delta are having one hell of a time
selling the Deltas now.
dave
David Binkowski wrote:
> Thus spake "dave" !!! Wow, can you tell who owns the Powermatic?
>
> In fact, I think the difference in tension between the Powermatic and most
> of
> the others was about 30% to 40% less, but I can't remember the numbers,
> only the relative difference. Its just something I read in a bandsaw
> review,
> covering the Powermatic, Jet, Delta, Grizzly, and a few others. I'm sure
> your
> BS does handle a 3/4" blade, but can it handle it for 12" resaws? Mine can
> handle a 3/4" blade also, but when re-sawing its important to have proper
> beam strength with the blade, to reduce the amount of deflection thats
> possible.
> SO, I like to run a 5/8" blade instead. I figure by backing the size off a
> notch,
> I'm able to tension the blade to a higher PSI without putting as much stress
> on
> the wheels. And I think the 5/8" is still wide enough for resawing..
>
>
Teased? I don't feel teased. The only buyer's regret I've had with
regard to WW stuff is the Delta BS, which went back. I was less than
thrilled with the fence on my PC557, but I'm getting over it and don't
use it that much anyway. IF I had to do a lot of biscuiting I'd go
Lamello or at least Makita. I'm pleased with the rest of my equipment.
The limiting factor in my shop is me; not the "stuff". So I keep
picking up more books... :)
dave
David Binkowski wrote:
> You know, I shouldn't have teased dave in that last post. After all,
> I'd be angry too if I had bought a Powermatic!
>
> One of my favorite posts was a response to a guy who was agonizing
> over buying a table saw. I followed his posts for a while, and his
> journey on the way to getting his table saw. After he bought it, there
> was a response to his purchase saying only "You should have bought
> the other one.".
>
> Buyer's remorse. We've all been there. And I think even with the
> best of tools, the Excelsior 5000 gold plated limited edition tool, we
> always wonder if that other one would make us happier. :-)
>
The Powermatic doesn't tension as high as the Delta 14".
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> IF you listen to me and get a Powermatic instead of the Delta, you'll be
> one happy camper. If you don't heed my advice, start searching for
> vibration reduction tips, plus lose the extra features like carter
> guides, cut-line blower, work light, and vibration free sawing. If you
> decide to get the Delta anyway, don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> dave
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> > I am considering this bandsaw....it has a 4" dustport, nice fit
&finish....
> > "Seems" like the Amarican made one....(the model before the X5) but
would
> > like to hear about it....
> > Vibration? Quality of cut? (I will put Viking/TimberWolf blade)
> > Is it strong enough to get good tension in the blade? the salesman told
me
> > that the Viking/TimberWolf require 30% less tension ....
> >
> > One friend is trying to get me buy the General International 14"
90-100M1
> > steel frame, he is saying that I will get more tension in the blade and
a
> > better cut quality...is it true?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
>
thanks,
this is the kind of things that worried me...
I am kind of afraid to buy a Taiwanese Saw, but don't want to pay big bucks
for a Canadian, USA or Italian made one :-(
(at least not now...)
Was it really the 28-206 or the X5? if it was the X5 it is even worst :-(
(the 28-206 cost $750CDN and the X5 is $1300CDN here near Montreal Canada)
As for your kitchen...I want to redo mine also.....big project...a bit
intimadating to me....
Did you get a good book?
Thanks
--
Mike
"newspost" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> 11/15 Bought this machine at a tool show here in town. 11/24 P/U machine.
> 11/28 Assembled machine found fit and finish not as good as other JET
> machine I recently purchased.
>
> On start up saw had severe vibration.
>
> Isolated the main problem to an out of balance bottom wheel.
>
> Fix1: 4 penny weight out of balance using crude balancing methods, but
this
> solved the major vibration.
>
> Further investigation revealed that the bandsaw tires did not sit flat on
> wheels.
>
> Fix2: Removed wheels and tires from wheels, inverted tires and shaved
flash
> from injection molding process during manufacture. Reinstalled wheels.
>
> The machine now runs relatively smooth, a little vibration but within my
> tolerances for a machine of this price.
>
> Spoke with Delta technician during the above described processes and to
> their credit Delta is shipping a new "in balance" bottom wheel free of
> charge rush delivery. Tech was very helpful and understanding to my
> concerns, went so far as to locate the part from "I don't know where"
since
> part is back ordered. But he assures me it is new and comes from a
reliable
> source that has checked the balance.
>
> I purchased this bandsaw after speaking with the Delta Rep at the tool
show.
> I had decided to go with the JET 14 but the Delta Rep pointed out the
larger
> table, cast iron trunion, 4" dust port, and blade tension quick release as
> unique features, he mentioned the 9 spoke wheels also..with the free table
> saw tenoning jig (which I was going to purchasing anyway) and 50 rebate
the
> costs were equal so I chose the Delta for these extra features.
>
> My Kitchen renovation project begins soon and I will be putting this saw
to
> the test.
>
>
>