I purchased a Skil Circular Saw 7.25", 2.4 HP, 13 amp AccuSight as a
gift for a relative. I now see that the same store has a sale on a
virtually similar Skil Circular Saw, but with Laser Guide, for $100
($20 more than what I paid for the first saw at $80 Can.) My questions
are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and how much better
(or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw with a plastic and
metal guide line? I believe both these saws are made in the US, though
definitely the one I bought is, if that makes any difference.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> So that justifies manufactures to outright lie to us????????? This is
>> just
>> the ignorant attitude that got us into this situation.
>
> Nothing ignorent at all. I know they're lying. I ask again, what are you
> going to do about it?
>
That is my point. Do not buy it. I don't and if we had everyone on the
same sheet (very unlikely) than it would force them stop lieing.
>>
>>
>> Pretty simple I do not buy the thing, period. Very happy with my Festool
>> at, IIRC, 8.5amps, which I will gladly compare to any claimed 3.25HP
> router.
>> Being somewhat familiar with German consumer laws, I would trust the
> Festool
>> rating.
>
>
> The amp rating on American tools is reliable too. It has to be. Horsepower
> ratings are BS but tell the consumer (or a lot of people on here ) that.
> Damn few people know what horsepower is. Even fewer an amp or watt. Big
> numbers sell.
You can go ahead and think that saw will draw 13 amps running. Given 13amps
they are claiming 1.91HP.
Chris
weft2 wrote:
> I purchased a Skil Circular Saw 7.25", 2.4 HP, 13 amp AccuSight as a
> gift for a relative. I now see that the same store has a sale on a
> virtually similar Skil Circular Saw, but with Laser Guide, for $100
> ($20 more than what I paid for the first saw at $80 Can.) My questions
> are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and how much better
> (or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw with a plastic and
> metal guide line? I believe both these saws are made in the US, though
> definitely the one I bought is, if that makes any difference.
I bough a cheaper Skil Saw with a laser. I don't use one a lot so it
seemed a reasonable purchase for myself. I like the laser. I find it
very easy to make sure I am cutting strait as long as the laser shines
on the line I am cutting on. I'm sure someone with more skill would not
need one, but for as for myself, I am very pleased with it. Just
something to consider for your gift.
-Eric
weft2 wrote:
> I purchased a Skil Circular Saw 7.25", 2.4 HP, 13 amp AccuSight as a
> gift for a relative. I now see that the same store has a sale on a
> virtually similar Skil Circular Saw, but with Laser Guide, for $100
> ($20 more than what I paid for the first saw at $80 Can.) My questions
> are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and how much better
> (or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw with a plastic and
> metal guide line? I believe both these saws are made in the US, though
> definitely the one I bought is, if that makes any difference.
I bough a cheaper Skil Saw with a laser. I don't use one a lot so it
seemed a reasonable purchase for myself. I like the laser. I find it
very easy to make sure I am cutting strait as long as the laser shines
on the line I am cutting on. I'm sure someone with more skill would not
need one, but for as for myself, I am very pleased with it. Just
something to consider for your gift.
-Eric
"weft2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I purchased a Skil Circular Saw 7.25", 2.4 HP, 13 amp AccuSight as a
> gift for a relative. I now see that the same store has a sale on a
> virtually similar Skil Circular Saw, but with Laser Guide, for $100
> ($20 more than what I paid for the first saw at $80 Can.) My questions
> are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and how much better
> (or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw with a plastic and
> metal guide line? I believe both these saws are made in the US, though
> definitely the one I bought is, if that makes any difference.
>
Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this madness
and stop purchasing this crap.
Not jumping on the OP. I just feel that companies that claim this are
playing the consumer as a chump. With that it makes any other claims they
make about the saw useless. Even Skill's own specs contradict themselves.
Chris
[email protected] (in [email protected])
said:
| On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:24:43 -0500, "Morris Dovey"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| [email protected] (in [email protected])
|| said:
||
||| process drive by disallowed.
|||
||| you gotta tell us what it is....
||
|| Not if you disallow the drive-by :-D
|
| it's disallowed unless you explain it a bit better. sorry if I was
| unclear...
It's a gift. I guess I'll have to forgo the drive-by until the end of
the year - but if I remember I'll post pictures then.
I have a fondness for making things so that you can only tell where
the joints are by finding discontinuities in the grain - and the only
way I seem able to make things come out that way is by working to what
seem (even to me!) like unreasonable tolerances.
But even in my normal (work) day-to-day woodworking, cut tolerances of
+/- 0.001 aren't uncommon. It's been at least 15 years since I used a
circular saw without a carefully positioned and clamped guide. I do
have a couple of lasers in my shop; but all of them produce "fat"
lines and I'd guess that if the line were only 0.001" wide, I'd have
trouble seeing it...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
AL wrote:
> Manufacturers exaggerate practically everything. Gas mileage of a car.
> Size of computer monitors (eg. 21" but only 19" viewable). Capacity of
> diskettes (2mb, but only 1.44mb formatted). Dimensions of lumber (2x4
> instead of 1.5x3.5). Thickness of plywood. Length and width of
> particleboard.
I got burned by this just a couple of weeks ago. I bought some composite
decking to replace the deck of my utility trailer. Composite. Man-made
stuff. AFAIK, these things don't start at a 'rough' dimension and then get
planed down. 6" decking, so I figured 5 1/2" ought to be the extreme LOW end
of what to expect when I was figuring out how many to buy. Turns out 5 1/4"
is more like it. Ugh.
-John
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
>> claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this madness
>> and stop purchasing this crap.
>
> 98% of consumers don't know the difference. You going to change that?
>
So that justifies manufactures to outright lie to us????????? This is just
the ignorant attitude that got us into this situation.
>>
>> Not jumping on the OP. I just feel that companies that claim this are
>> playing the consumer as a chump. With that it makes any other claims
>> they
>> make about the saw useless. Even Skill's own specs contradict
>> themselves.
>>
>> Chris
>
> How often have you seen discussions of 3.25 horsepower routers on here?
> Every router that draws more than 12 amps is billed as 3.25 horsepower.
> So,
> you're saying that no one should by one of these because the power claims
> are BS? Look around here.
>
Pretty simple I do not buy the thing, period. Very happy with my Festool
at, IIRC, 8.5amps, which I will gladly compare to any claimed 3.25HP router.
Being somewhat familiar with German consumer laws, I would trust the Festool
rating.
Chris
A laser on a miter saw is very useful, but is questionable on other tools
(drill press, circular saw, jig saw, etc.). I just don't see the need.
"weft2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I purchased a Skil Circular Saw 7.25", 2.4 HP, 13 amp AccuSight as a
> gift for a relative. I now see that the same store has a sale on a
> virtually similar Skil Circular Saw, but with Laser Guide, for $100
> ($20 more than what I paid for the first saw at $80 Can.) My questions
> are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and how much better
> (or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw with a plastic and
> metal guide line? I believe both these saws are made in the US, though
> definitely the one I bought is, if that makes any difference.
>
weft2 (in [email protected]) said:
| questions are: is the laser guide saw better value for money, and
| how much better (or worse) is the laser guide than a regular saw
| with a plastic and metal guide line? I believe both these saws are
| made in the US, though definitely the one I bought is, if that
| makes any difference.
It's impossible to provide a meaningful answer withut knowing what
you're planning to do with the saw. If you'll be using it for framing,
you /might/ find the laser guide convenient - but if you'll be using
it to cut parts for furniture, it probably won't be much help.
The last time I used my circular saw, I spent about five minutes with
a digital depth gauge setting up a clamped aluminum saw guide to
within +/- 0.0005" (the result was worth the trouble) - a level of
accuracy just not obtainable using a "fat" laser line.
If you consider the work you'll be doing with the saw and look at the
width of the laser line, you can probably draw your own conclusion as
to whether or not the additional $20 in cost will provide $20 in
benefits.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
Look it up dipshit. The amp rating is full load and the true value has to be
accurate by law. This is to ensure that those who now can match a circuit to
the load. Horsepower ratings are not covered.
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> BTW he already gave proof, i.e. "It has to be". This is the same "It has
to
> be" that justifies the 16HP Sears shop vac rating.
>
> Chris
>
>
Manufacturers exaggerate practically everything. Gas mileage of a car.
Size of computer monitors (eg. 21" but only 19" viewable). Capacity of
diskettes (2mb, but only 1.44mb formatted). Dimensions of lumber (2x4
instead of 1.5x3.5). Thickness of plywood. Length and width of
particleboard.
I think very few people trust the numbers.
The only spec I can remember that was actually larger than stated was the
inside dimension of my Gorilla racks. They claimed 8' but the clearance was
actually 98".
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Chris" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
>>> claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this
>>> madness
>>> and stop purchasing this crap.
>>
>> Amen...been saying that for years. Like in the 70's..a 1000 watt
>> amplifier running on a 12-volt battery with a 5 amp fuse.
>
> Funny thing is nothing is never done about it. Do we not have consumer
> protection laws in this country? What about false advertising?
>
> There was a class action suit a couple years back was there not?
> Something similar, yet with air compressors. I can only imagine that it
> was a slap on the wrist to the manufactures. One of those $50 off your
> next purchase settlements. That and $18mil in lawyer fees.
>
> I am still waiting to hear what Sears means by "Maximum Developed
> Horsepower". To me that means nothing more than: Come here sucker and buy
> our tool. Does Sears not have a 16hp shop vac?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> The amp rating on American tools is reliable too. It has to be.
Do you have any proof?
My US made Marathon motor on my Delta contractor's saw claims 12 amps at
120V. Under what conditions? Startup? Full load? I measured with a
clamp-on ammeter and got 3 amps (running with a blade but not cutting
anything).
[email protected] (in [email protected])
said:
| process drive by disallowed.
|
| you gotta tell us what it is....
Not if you disallow the drive-by :-D
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> So that justifies manufactures to outright lie to us????????? This is just
> the ignorant attitude that got us into this situation.
Nothing ignorent at all. I know they're lying. I ask again, what are you
going to do about it?
>
>
> Pretty simple I do not buy the thing, period. Very happy with my Festool
> at, IIRC, 8.5amps, which I will gladly compare to any claimed 3.25HP
router.
> Being somewhat familiar with German consumer laws, I would trust the
Festool
> rating.
The amp rating on American tools is reliable too. It has to be. Horsepower
ratings are BS but tell the consumer (or a lot of people on here ) that.
Damn few people know what horsepower is. Even fewer an amp or watt. Big
numbers sell.
In article <[email protected]>, "AL" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> A laser on a miter saw is very useful, but is questionable on other tools
> (drill press, circular saw, jig saw, etc.). I just don't see the need.
Not to mention that the lines they project are FAT and basically useless.
In article <[email protected]>, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does Sears not have a 16hp shop vac?
LOL..I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Is that the one with 300 MPH wind in
the nozzle?
Btw.. I have a "One Million Candle Power" flash light. It was written on
the blister pack it which it was displayed. MUST be true.
In article <[email protected]>, "Chris" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
> claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this madness
> and stop purchasing this crap.
Amen...been saying that for years. Like in the 70's..a 1000 watt
amplifier running on a 12-volt battery with a 5 amp fuse.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> The amp rating on American tools is reliable too. It has to be.
>
> Do you have any proof?
>
> My US made Marathon motor on my Delta contractor's saw claims 12 amps at
> 120V. Under what conditions? Startup? Full load? I measured with a
> clamp-on ammeter and got 3 amps (running with a blade but not cutting
> anything).
>
Al,
What is the HP rating on the motor? 3 amps does seem low, although
clamp-ons are not all that reliable. That does work out to be about .48 HP.
I would imagine you have plenty more than that.
BTW he already gave proof, i.e. "It has to be". This is the same "It has to
be" that justifies the 16HP Sears shop vac rating.
Chris
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:24:43 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] (in [email protected])
>said:
>
>| process drive by disallowed.
>|
>| you gotta tell us what it is....
>
>Not if you disallow the drive-by :-D
it's disallowed unless you explain it a bit better. sorry if I was
unclear...
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Chris" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
>> claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this madness
>> and stop purchasing this crap.
>
> Amen...been saying that for years. Like in the 70's..a 1000 watt
> amplifier running on a 12-volt battery with a 5 amp fuse.
Funny thing is nothing is never done about it. Do we not have consumer
protection laws in this country? What about false advertising?
There was a class action suit a couple years back was there not? Something
similar, yet with air compressors. I can only imagine that it was a slap on
the wrist to the manufactures. One of those $50 off your next purchase
settlements. That and $18mil in lawyer fees.
I am still waiting to hear what Sears means by "Maximum Developed
Horsepower". To me that means nothing more than: Come here sucker and buy
our tool. Does Sears not have a 16hp shop vac?
Chris
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:22:03 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The last time I used my circular saw, I spent about five minutes with
>a digital depth gauge setting up a clamped aluminum saw guide to
>within +/- 0.0005" (the result was worth the trouble) - a level of
>accuracy just not obtainable using a "fat" laser line.
process drive by disallowed.
you gotta tell us what it is....
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> The amp rating on American tools is reliable too. It has to be.
>
> Do you have any proof?
>
> My US made Marathon motor on my Delta contractor's saw claims 12 amps at
> 120V. Under what conditions? Startup? Full load? I measured with a
> clamp-on ammeter and got 3 amps (running with a blade but not cutting
> anything).
>
The rated current is the amount of current that the saw is drawing when the
temperature rise, as a result of the amount of work that the motor is
developing, is 60 degrees C (that is the value for intermitent use such as a
saw). Furthermore, this is the average power. The power from a single
phase induction motor varies between 0 and twice average at the line
frequency.
Jim
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If the laser is strong enough to do some cutting then yes, otherwise
> its a cute gimmick.
>
Great idea! saves some wear on the blade. :-)
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:01:29 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Amen...been saying that for years. Like in the 70's..a 1000 watt
>amplifier running on a 12-volt battery with a 5 amp fuse.
I still can't get folks to see the irony, even when I hook up a
primitive meter and show them peaks of 100 watts on that 1000 watt
amp.
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not an answer but a comment. I for one would never buy any circular saw
> claiming to have 2.4hp. It is about time the consumers stop this madness
> and stop purchasing this crap.
98% of consumers don't know the difference. You going to change that?
>
> Not jumping on the OP. I just feel that companies that claim this are
> playing the consumer as a chump. With that it makes any other claims they
> make about the saw useless. Even Skill's own specs contradict themselves.
>
> Chris
How often have you seen discussions of 3.25 horsepower routers on here?
Every router that draws more than 12 amps is billed as 3.25 horsepower. So,
you're saying that no one should by one of these because the power claims
are BS? Look around here.