On May 8, 10:09=A0am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Well I agree this is silly. =A0Silly too, is what is not a sensational n=
ews
> > story, =A0is not mentioned in the article. =A0I don't think I would be s=
o
> > gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels=
> > back.
>
> > Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
> =A0 =A0 Exactly what I was thinking. =A0I suspect she had other "issues" r=
elative
> to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
Unfortunately for Tim Hortons it *is* the whole story. Besides..
whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt?
If there were other issues, why chose this idiotic one?
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> r
>
What in the hell is a "recycled" TimBit??
And yes, it is an Outrage.
On May 8, 10:24=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>
> > This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business schools.=
>
> ... and "business schools" are arguably at the root of many such problems.=
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 3/27/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
My dad, a retired accountant, always said that going to business
school was like taking a correspondence course in boxing.
On May 10, 11:03=A0pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> And Consistently. Inconsistent application of policy can blow you out o=
f
> >> the water.
>
> > Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception
> > that
> > got the girl fired?
>
> Yes, but unfortunately, the bad publicity overrode the practicality. =A0Co=
mes
> down to training managers. =A0There are times to look the other way.
That is exactly what makes a good manager. Picking and choosing which
hill to die on.
The manager made a horrible error in judgement. He pays for that.
On May 8, 5:20 pm, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 8, 12:16 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Frank Boettcher"
>
> > > I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things may
> > > have changed since I was in business school.
>
> > > The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather than
> > > "managing" to some set of strict rules.
>
> > My point was that one learns the "leadership" necessary to successfully run
> > a specific business by first gaining a thorough knowledge of the specific
> > business. IOW, and contrary to current perception, "leadership" is rarely
> > gained by the act of attending "business school".
>
> > I've said this before: I theorize that much of what you see wrong with the
> > current corporate mentality started with a secret project during WWII to
> > train "managers" for the ramping up of manufacturing for military/war effort
> > needs, and has since evolved to the point that conventional wisdom dictates
> > a "business/MBA school" graduate needs to know little else but what is
> > taught therein to run any company he heads insofar as whatever widget it
> > produces.
>
> > Besides, ever notice that the rise of the "business/MBA school graduate", as
> > a practiced prerequisite for running a business, coincides nicely with total
> > disregard for the customer, doing whatever is expedient for the "bottom
> > line", and the concept of if it ain't illegal, do it, and morality be
> > damned?
>
> > (present company excluded, of course <g>)
>
> > IMO, we're now arguably seeing the results of this learned behavior in the
> > rapidly obvious conclusion that we've become a second rate nation with a
> > second rate economy ... just check out tonight's global business section for
> > ample evidence of that.
>
> > Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one on the
> > commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
>
> > Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and before you
> > know it you got boxes specifically stating something's inside that isn't ...
> > and folks defending what's a wrong as a right.
>
> I second your motions, all of them.
>
> I don't know whether to recommend closing all grad level business
> schools, or forcing them to re-examine basic morality, as understand
> in Christian society (and that comes from what is best described as a
> non-practicing one-time sort of Christian, me).
And that might just work better as "understood" not "understand."
Time to get out of here and go see about raising some money for Toys
for Tots.
On May 8, 5:40 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" wrote
>
> > Probably has something
> > to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
>
> LOL ... you're not one of those who, like me, actually looked forward to SOS
> for breakfast, and mess hall corned beef at supper?
>
> Funny what the service will do to you/your tastes. I also ate well trading
> up for cans of C-Ration "scrambled" eggs ... a little Louisiana hot sauce,
> and my shaker of combined garlic powder/salt and pepper, was all I needed
> for a gourmand breakfast, relative speaking.
>
But the hot sauce was an essential with those eggs. Lots of salt, too.
Even then, I found regular pepper almost flavor free. Too much oatmeal
mixed in, I guess.
On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:24:14 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lee Michaels" wrote
>
>> This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business schools.
>
>... and "business schools" are arguably at the root of many such problems.
I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things may
have changed since I was in business school.
The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather than
"managing" to some set of strict rules. It was often emphasized that
if the rules were perfect, required no judgement, then there is no
need for a manager. Leading requires judgement within an environment
of consistency. Subordinates, as a group, are comfortable with a
proper "judgement" that fits the situation, much more so than strict
adherence to a rule when it is nonsense.
I doubt that the three supervisors went to business school. If they
did, they need to go back for a refresher course.
Managers are a dime a dozen. Leaders are hard to make or find.
I see that she was rehired?
Frank
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception
that
> got the girl fired?
What got the girl fired was an insecure ego-tripping little vacuous
malodorous toffee-nosed megalomaniac manager who didn't like it that
she stood up for a fellow employee who was being belittled by the
power-tripper.
Maybe. But, even the most extreme of control freaks must have occasional
moments of lucidity and this was a situation that certainly called for it.
Wonder what went wrong? This is something he will never be able to live
down, whether he's fired, demoted or not. There can't be too many things
more embarrassing than having your life destroyed by a Timbit. It's so
ludicrous that I actually pity the guy.
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> He seem fortunate that his name is not public. Timbit will go into the
> lexicon of manager screw ups, as in To Timbit, but apparently not the
> manager's name.
Emergence of new form of tongue lashing from manager to employee:
"Smarten up or I'm going to Timbit you!"
"Swingman" wrote
>
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>
>> This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business schools.
>
> ... and "business schools" are arguably at the root of many such problems.
>
Well, there is theory....., and there is practice.
Theoretically they learn from other's mistakes.
Realistically, they practice the corporate culture, regardless of
consequences, for anybody.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
One TimBit = 1 calorie.
Timbits are the *only* thing I don't buy. It's too hazardous handling those
things these days.
On May 8, 10:15=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to relie=
ve
> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>
MMmmmm... never quite looked at it that way. I guess it is safe to
assume that the managers will be okay then... after all, that is all
that seems to matter. Screw the serfs.
There was just an update on the radio that one of the managers
admitted that the employee in question had never been written up for
anything in 3 years.
Tim Hortons's stuff is shit anyway.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Best is to have a written policy of work rules given to each person when
> hired (have them sign a receipt) and the policy is applied equally to
> everyone.
And Consistently. Inconsistent application of policy can blow you out of
the water.
Train the managers!
"Robatoy" wrote:
> My dad, a retired accountant, always said that going to business
> school was like taking a correspondence course in boxing.
Let me see ... the first thing they send you is a 45 RPM single of "Doing
The Hokey Pokey", right?
BTW, _NICE_ email address. Descriptive, simple, and bound to get someone's
panties in a wad.
Rick
On May 11, 1:10=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Maybe. But, even the most extreme of control freaks must have occasional=
> > moments of lucidity and this was a situation that certainly called for i=
t.
> > Wonder what went wrong? This is something he will never be able to live
> > down, whether he's fired, demoted or not. There can't be too many things=
> > more embarrassing than having your life destroyed by a Timbit. It's so
> > ludicrous that I actually pity the guy.
>
> You live by the sword.....
>
> Very easy, but callous of you to say. What if it happened to you? I for on=
e
> will be the first to admit that more than once, I've headed down a path wi=
th
> what I thought was the proper way to go and found myself sinking fast in t=
he
> virtual pile crap. With some of the things that go on today in our society=
,
> I can't see someone's business life being potentially destroyed by a Timbi=
t.
> He didn't kill anybody and he didn't physically attack anyone. Hell, he
> didn't even break the law. Outside of this situation, he might be the firs=
t
> guy to stop and help you out when your car breaks down twenty miles outsid=
e
> of town.
He might stop and help me. It is possible to have a good heart AND
being too stupid to be a manager.
On one hand a 16 cent timbit. On the other hand, a woman's (mother's)
livelihood.
If that manager could not see the contrast, he has no business being
in a decision making position.
This was NOT a situation where you stop, rub your chin, ponder and
make a decision. It was a 16 cent Timbit.
If I was in his shoes, it would have been sooo easy: " I don't make
the rules, I am hired to enforce them, please do not do give out any
more timbits." If she continued, it is no longer about a timbit.
He is a better manager now that he knows what kind of consequences
stupid decisions can have. In the real world, however, I can't see it
being helpful to his career.
I have been in management positions before and I am again. As a
business owner, I hire people who can do MY job.
On May 9, 11:13=A0am, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
>
> > Timmy's are franchise operations - every one of them.
> > Corporate has no direct say in hiring or firing.
>
> Corporate always has a say, it would be naive to believe otherwise.
> Franchise contracts usually give the head office considerable say in how t=
he
> individual outlets are run, and actions triggering negative publicity for
> the brand name could easily be something covered by TH's contract.
Absolutely. I deal with franchisees all the time. They are BOUND.
Bound by many screwed conditions that include WHO the suppliers of
their products are etc, etc. In one example, a customer of mine HAD to
pay $ 55.00 for a cube of Coca Cola syrup for his fountain, while the
guy next door paid $ 35.00. My customer was FORCED to buy through
'approved' channels.
On May 13, 1:15=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> One TimBit =3D 1 calorie.
>
> BTW, a Timbit has 53 calories and when has anyone been able to eat just on=
e?
> They're obviously distantly related to potato chips.
53 calories in one of those little things?... and here *I* thought
that the 'TimBit' was a unit of measurement.
I kid.
On May 8, 9:27=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> That's at least a 1,000 "Ah Sh*ts".
>
> And the corporate culture seems to continue it's "F**K YOU" attitude
> towards it's employees.
>
> No wonder an employee doesn't want to get involved.
>
> Lew
It's not as if she ate the damn thing herself... even...
I wonder what that TimBit ( 16 cents) will end up costing TimHortons
by the time the dust settles...
My call? Fire the three managers! Hang them in a public square! Tattoo
the words: "I'm a public relations clusterfuck!!!" on their foreheads!
On May 11, 12:27=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception
> that
> > got the girl fired?
>
> What got the girl fired was an insecure ego-tripping little vacuous
> malodorous toffee-nosed megalomaniac manager who didn't like it that
> she stood up for a fellow employee who was being belittled by the
> power-tripper.
>
> Maybe. But, even the most extreme of control freaks must have occasional
> moments of lucidity and this was a situation that certainly called for it.=
> Wonder what went wrong? This is something he will never be able to live
> down, whether he's fired, demoted or not. There can't be too many things
> more embarrassing than having your life destroyed by a Timbit. It's so
> ludicrous that I actually pity the guy.
You live by the sword.....
On May 9, 12:18 am, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Charlie Self" wrote
>
> >> Probably has something
> >> to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
>
> > LOL ... you're not one of those who, like me, actually looked forward
> > to SOS for breakfast, and mess hall corned beef at supper?
>
> Liver and onions with seconds at lunch. Same again for dinner. And sneak
> into midnight chow for more. Why they bothered with liver is beyond me,
> most folks hated it. Coffee picked up from the mess hall at 7am Saturday
> still on the hot plate at 7am Sunday. Standing a spoon upright in it was
> almost possible.
>
> But, I'll pass on the chicken. Somebody in the Pentagon or Congress must
> have owned a chicken ranch.
At Parris Island, the ONLY time I got enough to eat was on the days we
had liver and onions. There was always enough for thirds.
Re-hired:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422936
lol like that helps
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5df4c55a-5bca-4418-a4b9-7419f506740a@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On May 8, 9:27 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> That's at least a 1,000 "Ah Sh*ts".
>
> And the corporate culture seems to continue it's "F**K YOU" attitude
> towards it's employees.
>
> No wonder an employee doesn't want to get involved.
>
> Lew
It's not as if she ate the damn thing herself... even...
I wonder what that TimBit ( 16 cents) will end up costing TimHortons
by the time the dust settles...
My call? Fire the three managers! Hang them in a public square! Tattoo
the words: "I'm a public relations clusterfuck!!!" on their foreheads!
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 8, 10:09 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> > story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> > gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> > back.
>
> > Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
> Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues" relative
> to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
Unfortunately for Tim Hortons it *is* the whole story. Besides..
whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt?
Well, the news article left out the reasons that might have given the store
the benefit of the doubt. I don't doubt the store may be of equal blame
but with out hearing the whole story the news agency has published a biased
article against the company.
If there were other issues, why chose this idiotic one?
Because the whole truth no longer matters if it may down play a sensational
head line.
"Bob Alexander" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you read the fine print at the bottom of the article, she was rehired
> the next day.
Oooups! LOL
On May 12, 7:41=A0pm, "Mike Richardson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Re-hired:
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422936
>
Shaaa...like last week already...
On May 9, 6:02=A0pm, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> At Parris Island, the ONLY time I got enough to eat was on the days we
> had liver and onions. There was always enough for thirds.
Wow! I am sooo impressed. A dude who eats ANYTHING!
I suddenly have a whole new admiration for Charley Self.
I'm going to put him on my shelf beside Doug Miller, J. Clarke.
On May 8, 10:15 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to relieve
> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 3/27/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Oh, sweet Jesus, yeah. Admin types who nail an 8 year old for carrying
blunted scissors. Another charges a 7 or 8 year old with sexual abuse
because hepats a little girl on the fanny. What a world it has become.
There was a Tim Horton's in Parkersburg, back when Wendy's owned them
I think, that seemed pretty good to me. I'd hit there Sunday a.m.
early for coffee (my wife hated it, I loved it: Probably has something
to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
The reasons companies use these days when it comes time to let someone
go are incredible. A frigging miniature donut, though, is about as low
as it gets. There aren't any that I know of around here, but when I'm
elsewhere, I will make avoidance a point.
On May 12, 10:12=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Can we talk about tablesaws now?
>
> With or without consealed damage?
>
> Lew
One that ONLY saws tables.
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
> Timmy's are franchise operations - every one of them.
> Corporate has no direct say in hiring or firing.
Corporate always has a say, it would be naive to believe otherwise.
Franchise contracts usually give the head office considerable say in how the
individual outlets are run, and actions triggering negative publicity for
the brand name could easily be something covered by TH's contract.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>
>> Hehe .... "fat. Probably a good thing, that chance. :)
>
> Recently saw a TV program on PBS describing how the US diet is
> basically corn based.
>
> Feed lots that fatten cattle using corn produce an obese animal that
> would probably live little more than a few months past the normal
> slaughter date, according to the program.
>
> Don't eat much beef anymore, probably just as well.
>
A venison and beer diet keeps me from falling into that trap. 'course I
don't know exactly when MY slaughter date is, so I can't know whether
I've beaten the odds.
"Frank Boettcher" wrote
> When
> the relevant foundation isn't there then they revert to the math
> because it is easy and comforts them with their decisions.
I'm betting the existence of unspoken epic that could be sandwiched between
those lines. <g>
> Of course! I had a fortunate but rare advantage. My MBA came over a
> period of five years after working from the very bottom over a period
> of ten years. That early, valuable education eliminated the normal
> delusions of grandeur that fresh MBA's roll out of school with.
ROTFL ...
> >Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one on
the
> >commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
>
> Fat chance my friend!
Hehe .... "fat. Probably a good thing, that chance. :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On May 11, 3:52=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > He seem fortunate that his name is not public. Timbit will go into the
> > lexicon of manager screw ups, as in To Timbit, but apparently not the
> > manager's name.
>
> Emergence of new form of tongue lashing from manager to employee:
> "Smarten up or I'm going to Timbit you!"
LOL ...... or: "What kinda TimBit move was that????!!!"
or in the nightly news: "In what can only be described as a TimBit
move, Prime Minister Harper today announced today that**************
On May 8, 10:02=A0pm, "The Davenport's" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On May 8, 9:49 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...=
>
> > >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> > >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > > r
>
> > Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news=
> > story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> > gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels=
> > back.
>
> > Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
> Exactly... why hang her on a 16 cent TimBit? Obviously they didn't
> quite think this thing through.
> Tim Hortons is a corporate clusterfuck. Their coffee sucks too. Their
> donuts are nothing but fat and sugar.
> My middle daughter worked at Tim Hortons when she was in highschool.
> The policy was not to charge cops and EMS types for products. Policy.
> I don't like that outfit. (In case you didn't notice.)
>
> "I cannot tell a lie. *I* put that envelope under that pile of
> garbage..."
>
> I absolutely LOVE that song!
>
> And now I'll go back over to the group W bench
It is a pretty good song, but THIS is much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoHg5SJYRHA0
"asmurff" wrote in message
>
Does Paul Harvey even broadcast anymore?
Almost every day on KTRH 740 AM here in Houston, although Ron Chapman has
been pinch hitting for him lately... basically, been listening to Paul
Harvey since I was in college in the 60's, when I drove home for lunch
everyday at noon to his voice on the radio
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On May 8, 10:33 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote
>
>
>
> > "Lee Michaels" wrote
>
> >> This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business schools.
>
> > ... and "business schools" are arguably at the root of many such problems.
>
> Well, there is theory....., and there is practice.
>
> Theoretically they learn from other's mistakes.
>
> Realistically, they practice the corporate culture, regardless of
> consequences, for anybody.
Got a SIL who has an MBA, but who had already made VP before getting.
He does good with it. I worked for an MBA. It will never happen again,
at least not knowingly. We have an MBA President who has yet to figure
out that even governments cannot always spend far more than comes in
(I almost wrote "earn,").
"Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> The smart policy is to issue written warnings and document them
>> every time, if somebody takes exception to being fired a file full of
>> warnings is hard to explain away.
>
>
> No Duh!
>
> But how often does anyone actually do this? If we did there would be a
> lot less work for labout lawyers.
Even there you have to be careful. What caught my eye was "file full of
warnings". That can cause problems. You need a policy that outlines the
steps. Example: Verbal warning, 1st written warning, 2nd written warning
with suspension, 3rd violation = termination.
If you have repeated warnings but choose not to fire a person when warranted
by policy, you've created an exception and it can be tough to close that
loophole. You can have a time period where the warnings expire so you can
get a second warning, say every 90 days, but if it is 89 days, you can fire
the person.
Best is to have a written policy of work rules given to each person when
hired (have them sign a receipt) and the policy is applied equally to
everyone.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
One TimBit = 1 calorie.
BTW, a Timbit has 53 calories and when has anyone been able to eat just one?
They're obviously distantly related to potato chips.
"Swingman"
> Funny what the service will do to you/your tastes. I also ate well trading
> up for cans of C-Ration "scrambled" eggs ... a little Louisiana hot sauce,
> and my shaker of combined garlic powder/salt and pepper, was all I needed
> for a gourmand breakfast, relative speaking.
>
You know - many days now I'm still not sure if I like "coffee" or if I like
the taste of evaporated milk and sugar in a hot liquid?
On May 13, 1:13=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> One TimBit =3D 1 calorie.
>
> Timbits are the *only* thing I don't buy. It's too hazardous handling thos=
e
> things these days.
A kid at my daughter's school often brings in a 20-pack and eats them
all for morning snack.
Her bathtub has stretch marks. She needs shoe-horn to get in. ONE cup
of water, and the tub overflows with her in it.
I'm not saying she's fat, but she wears a belt with two buckles, one
in front, and one in the back... a series set-up.
Her sister is skinny. Wears a pyjama with one stripe. When she drinks
a glass of tomato juice, she looks like a thermometer.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/avinalaff.jpg
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> And Consistently. Inconsistent application of policy can blow you out of
> the water.
Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception that
got the girl fired?
So, will you offer her a job? The link also had a story that
she was hired back. Hmm. In the US, I have been employed
for the last 40 years by a variety of companies, some large,
some small with the understanding that I could be
let go at any time. I was laid off twice and decided
that was it and went off on my own. Best decision I
ever made. I have my own hours and make a fair wage
for what I do.
SWMBO has a brother-in-law who was laid off at
the mill twice before he could reach a pensionable age.
Went off, got a job that he loved, now is in retirement
in Florida. Not sure if he missed that old steel mill
job or not. Face it. Job's are NEVER permanent. Unless
you are some sort of high-end professional like a
doctor or lawyer. You will always be subject to
"redeployment" at anytime. Sad fact of life.
The alternative is the French and other European
country systems. You can't layoff anyone in France
unless you give them a LONG lead time - like 6 months!
Guess how much productivity goes down during that
time.
Bottom line - be prepared for surprises in life. Didn't
John Lennon say: "Life is what happens when you're busy
making ther plans?"
MJ Wallace
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 8, 9:49 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > r
>
> Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> back.
>
> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
Exactly... why hang her on a 16 cent TimBit? Obviously they didn't
quite think this thing through.
Tim Hortons is a corporate clusterfuck. Their coffee sucks too. Their
donuts are nothing but fat and sugar.
My middle daughter worked at Tim Hortons when she was in highschool.
The policy was not to charge cops and EMS types for products. Policy.
I don't like that outfit. (In case you didn't notice.)
"I cannot tell a lie. *I* put that envelope under that pile of
garbage..."
I absolutely LOVE that song!
And now I'll go back over to the group W bench
Robatoy wrote:
> On May 13, 1:13 am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> One TimBit = 1 calorie.
>>
>> Timbits are the *only* thing I don't buy. It's too hazardous handling those
>> things these days.
>
> A kid at my daughter's school often brings in a 20-pack and eats them
> all for morning snack.
>
> Her bathtub has stretch marks. She needs shoe-horn to get in. ONE cup
> of water, and the tub overflows with her in it.
> I'm not saying she's fat, but she wears a belt with two buckles, one
> in front, and one in the back... a series set-up.
>
> Her sister is skinny. Wears a pyjama with one stripe. When she drinks
> a glass of tomato juice, she looks like a thermometer.
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/avinalaff.jpg
Jeez, Rob. Try to present some funny stuff next time.
j4
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e16Vj.37$jk1.7@trndny05...
> Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Same guy that had the chicken ranch must have been heavy into Liver
> Futures!
"snipped for brevity"
My son was just away for a weeks brigade eercise with his reserve unit.
Long story short - apparently now "hard rats:" have cabbage roll dinners!
Who knew? Almost enough to make me want re reillist.
"Robatoy" wrote:
>I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
That's at least a 1,000 "Ah Sh*ts".
And the corporate culture seems to continue it's "F**K YOU" attitude
towards it's employees.
No wonder an employee doesn't want to get involved.
Lew
"Charlie Self" wrote
> Probably has something
> to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
LOL ... you're not one of those who, like me, actually looked forward to SOS
for breakfast, and mess hall corned beef at supper?
Funny what the service will do to you/your tastes. I also ate well trading
up for cans of C-Ration "scrambled" eggs ... a little Louisiana hot sauce,
and my shaker of combined garlic powder/salt and pepper, was all I needed
for a gourmand breakfast, relative speaking.
--
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> back.
>
> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues" relative
to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
Dave in Houston
The media only tells what will improve their ratings, never the rest of the
story. Does Paul Harvey even broadcast anymore?
--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 8, 10:09 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> > story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> > gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> > back.
>
> > Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
> Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues" relative
> to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
Unfortunately for Tim Hortons it *is* the whole story. Besides..
whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt?
If there were other issues, why chose this idiotic one?
"Robatoy" wrote in message
> I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to relieve
incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 8, 9:49 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > r
>
> Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> back.
>
> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
I have got to congratulate Tim Hortons on one VERY fast reaction and
superb damage control effort.
I receiver 2 e-mails in response to my e-mails and they basically
said: "Yup somebody screwed up, we're on it..."
And an immediate apology to all those offended.
Good on you Robatoy and good on them for looking into the matter.
Obviousely "damage control".
My coffee is still WAY better.
AND that manager should be fired.
Agreed he had a whole day to think about it and still shot from the hip.
Damnit Robatoy, I sat and watched that whole damn thing waiting for the
punchline. Guess I was the punchline.
SteveP.
www.stellarbuilders.net
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On May 8, 10:02 pm, "The Davenport's" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On May 8, 9:49 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> > >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > > r
>
> > Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
> > story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
> > gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> > back.
>
> > Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
> Exactly... why hang her on a 16 cent TimBit? Obviously they didn't
> quite think this thing through.
> Tim Hortons is a corporate clusterfuck. Their coffee sucks too. Their
> donuts are nothing but fat and sugar.
> My middle daughter worked at Tim Hortons when she was in highschool.
> The policy was not to charge cops and EMS types for products. Policy.
> I don't like that outfit. (In case you didn't notice.)
>
> "I cannot tell a lie. *I* put that envelope under that pile of
> garbage..."
>
> I absolutely LOVE that song!
>
> And now I'll go back over to the group W bench
It is a pretty good song, but THIS is much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Frank Boettcher wrote:
> Managers are a dime a dozen. Leaders are hard to make or find.
>
> I see that she was rehired?
Looks like they offered her a job at another location owned by the same
franchisee but managed by different people, and offered to make up any
financial difficulties caused by the firing.
Looks like Tim Hortons corporate people are stepping in to try and avoid
bad press.
Chris
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I'd certainly want more information before deciding if she had it coming
> or not.
Agreed
However trivial this incident was, if she had a history of giving away
> product (perhaps to friends?) and had been warned about it before then
> maybe they were justified in firing her.
Agreed - although not supporteb by the current reports.
>I've had to fire a few people over the years, it was never on a first
>offense or even a second, but once someone convinced me they either were
>not capable of doing the job or just didn't give enough of a crap, then my
>responsibility to the business says they have to go.
OK - not a bad position to take but all it shows it that You are
contientious and reasonable - not the Tims manager.
The smart policy is to issue written warnings and document them
> every time, if somebody takes exception to being fired a file full of
> warnings is hard to explain away.
No Duh!
But how often does anyone actually do this? If we did there would be a lot
less work for labout lawyers.
Jim Willemin wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-
> [email protected]:
>
>> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> She was probably on the store's kill list because she had a good work
> ethic and made the other employees look bad.
Huh? What store management has that kind of attitude? Other employees
maybe, but not store management.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Swingman wrote:
>
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
>
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
>>> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to
> relieve
>>> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>>>
>>MMmmmm... never quite looked at it that way. I guess it is safe to
>>assume that the managers will be okay then... after all, that is all
>>that seems to matter. Screw the serfs.
>
> A "manager" will never be fired for enforcing a rule or policy, no matter
> how ridiculous. He is, after all, "just doing his job".
>
Depends upon the company for whom one works and the vision of upper level
management. My job certainly would qualify me as "management" and I while
I might not be fired over following a rule or policy at the expense of
customer relations, I guarantee you that such an action would be severely
career limiting and would be reflected in my yearly performance review
results.
> ... there you have the hidden agenda/thrust behind a "zero tolerance"
> policy.
>
Zero-tolerance may have no consequences to employees of a government run
organization that, because of tax policies has little serious competition,
it does not work for businesses that have competition.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to
> relieve
> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>
Public school zero tolorance policies are not limited to your neck of the
woods. Some wild things that permanantly stain a student's record happen
all the time over nothing. I wish some outraged parents would sue the
bastards. A couple big judgements would reintroduce a little sanity into the
process.
Dave in Houston wrote:
> Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues"
> relative to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
I'd certainly want more information before deciding if she had it coming or
not. However trivial this incident was, if she had a history of giving away
product (perhaps to friends?) and had been warned about it before then maybe
they were justified in firing her. I've had to fire a few people over the
years, it was never on a first offense or even a second, but once someone
convinced me they either were not capable of doing the job or just didn't
give enough of a crap, then my responsibility to the business says they have
to go. The smart policy is to issue written warnings and document them
every time, if somebody takes exception to being fired a file full of
warnings is hard to explain away.
Let 'em know how you feel. I did.
[email protected]
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> r
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-
[email protected]:
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
She was probably on the store's kill list because she had a good work ethic
and made the other employees look bad.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> r
Well I agree this is silly. Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
story, is not mentioned in the article. I don't think I would be so
gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
back.
Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
On Thu, 8 May 2008 19:05:54 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>But Tim Hortons isn't the place to go for a burger--they're the
>Canadian equivalent of Dunkin Donuts. Often partnered with a Wendys
>though--if you want a burger you to to the Wendys side, if you want a
>donut you go to the Tim Horton side.
>
>>> Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and
>>> before you know it you got boxes specifically stating something's
>>> inside that isn't ... and folks defending what's a wrong as a
>>> right.
>
>--
Excellent soup and sandwich lunches in Canada, anyway.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>
>> This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business
>> schools.
>
> ... and "business schools" are arguably at the root of many such
> problems.
>
Who argued?
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 8, 11:55 pm, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>>
>> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>>
>> > r
>>
>> What in the hell is a "recycled" TimBit??
>>
>
>
> That only applies to the Tim Horton version of the Kopi Luwak
> flavoured TimBits <G>
>
>
GAG!!
On May 8, 9:49=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > r
>
> Well I agree this is silly. =A0Silly too, is what is not a sensational new=
s
> story, =A0is not mentioned in the article. =A0I don't think I would be so
> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> back.
>
> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
Exactly... why hang her on a 16 cent TimBit? Obviously they didn't
quite think this thing through.
Tim Hortons is a corporate clusterfuck. Their coffee sucks too. Their
donuts are nothing but fat and sugar.
My middle daughter worked at Tim Hortons when she was in highschool.
The policy was not to charge cops and EMS types for products. Policy.
I don't like that outfit. (In case you didn't notice.)
"I cannot tell a lie. *I* put that envelope under that pile of
garbage..."
On May 13, 4:57=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 13, 12:31=A0pm, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Robatoy wrote:
> > > On May 13, 1:13 am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >> One TimBit =3D 1 calorie.
>
> > >> Timbits are the *only* thing I don't buy. It's too hazardous handling=
those
> > >> things these days.
>
> > > A kid at my daughter's school often brings in a 20-pack and eats them
> > > all for morning snack.
>
> > > Her bathtub has stretch marks. She needs shoe-horn to get in. ONE cup
> > > of water, and the tub overflows with her in it.
> > > I'm not saying she's fat, but she wears a belt with two buckles, one
> > > in front, and one in the back... a series set-up.
>
> > > Her sister is skinny. Wears a pyjama with one stripe. When she drinks
> > > a glass of tomato juice, she looks like a thermometer.
>
> > >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/avinalaff.jpg
>
> > Jeez, Rob. =A0Try to present some funny stuff next time.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 j4
>
> Dude... I try, okay??
oops...
r5
On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:33:01 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 8, 9:49Â am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>>
>> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>>
>> > r
>>
>> Well I agree this is silly. Â Silly too, is what is not a sensational news
>> story, Â is not mentioned in the article. Â I don't think I would be so
>> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
>> back.
>>
>> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
>
>I have got to congratulate Tim Hortons on one VERY fast reaction and
>superb damage control effort.
>I receiver 2 e-mails in response to my e-mails and they basically
>said: "Yup somebody screwed up, we're on it..."
>And an immediate apology to all those offended.
>
>My coffee is still WAY better.
>AND that manager should be fired.
APPARENTLY the employee in question had stood up for some other
employee in a conflict with the "boss" who then had it in for her.
The TimBit was the excuse. Totally against canadian labour regulations
and everything else - common sense and common courtesy included.
I suspect the manager(s) involved will be disciplined severely - and
may VERY well lose her (their) job(s).
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> And Consistently. Inconsistent application of policy can blow you out of
>> the water.
>
> Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception
> that
> got the girl fired?
Yes, but unfortunately, the bad publicity overrode the practicality. Comes
down to training managers. There are times to look the other way.
On May 13, 12:31=A0pm, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On May 13, 1:13 am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> One TimBit =3D 1 calorie.
>
> >> Timbits are the *only* thing I don't buy. It's too hazardous handling t=
hose
> >> things these days.
>
> > A kid at my daughter's school often brings in a 20-pack and eats them
> > all for morning snack.
>
> > Her bathtub has stretch marks. She needs shoe-horn to get in. ONE cup
> > of water, and the tub overflows with her in it.
> > I'm not saying she's fat, but she wears a belt with two buckles, one
> > in front, and one in the back... a series set-up.
>
> > Her sister is skinny. Wears a pyjama with one stripe. When she drinks
> > a glass of tomato juice, she looks like a thermometer.
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/avinalaff.jpg
>
> Jeez, Rob. =A0Try to present some funny stuff next time.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 j4
Dude... I try, okay??
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Maybe. But, even the most extreme of control freaks must have occasional
> moments of lucidity and this was a situation that certainly called for it.
> Wonder what went wrong? This is something he will never be able to live
> down, whether he's fired, demoted or not. There can't be too many things
> more embarrassing than having your life destroyed by a Timbit. It's so
> ludicrous that I actually pity the guy.
You live by the sword.....
Very easy, but callous of you to say. What if it happened to you? I for one
will be the first to admit that more than once, I've headed down a path with
what I thought was the proper way to go and found myself sinking fast in the
virtual pile crap. With some of the things that go on today in our society,
I can't see someone's business life being potentially destroyed by a Timbit.
He didn't kill anybody and he didn't physically attack anyone. Hell, he
didn't even break the law. Outside of this situation, he might be the first
guy to stop and help you out when your car breaks down twenty miles outside
of town.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> How about drill presses? I wonder if Tim Horton's uses a drill press to
> make the holes in donuts. Wouldn't the Timbits have a pilot hole in them
> though?
They DO have pilot holes in them. That's how they fill them with jelly.
I wish you guys would stop talking about Timbits and Tim Hortons. Every time
I see one of these messages I'm forced to head down to the Tim Hortons at
the end of my street and buy some donuts. I'm too damned fat as it is.
On May 10, 10:32=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > And Consistently. Inconsistent application of policy can blow you out of=
> > the water.
>
> Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without exception th=
at
> got the girl fired?
What got the girl fired was an insecure ego-tripping little vacuous
malodorous toffee-nosed megalomaniac manager who didn't like it that
she stood up for a fellow employee who was being belittled by the
power-tripper.
On May 13, 1:01=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > How about drill presses? I wonder if Tim Horton's uses a drill press to
> > make the holes in donuts. Wouldn't the Timbits have a pilot hole in them=
> > though?
>
> They DO have pilot holes in them. That's how they fill them with jelly.
>
> I wish you guys would stop talking about Timbits and Tim Hortons. Every ti=
me
> I see one of these messages I'm forced to head down to the Tim Hortons at
> the end of my street and buy some donuts. I'm too damned fat as it is.
One TimBit =3D 1 calorie.
On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 8, 10:15 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" wrote in message
>> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>>
>> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>>
>> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
>> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to relieve
>> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 3/27/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>Oh, sweet Jesus, yeah. Admin types who nail an 8 year old for carrying
>blunted scissors. Another charges a 7 or 8 year old with sexual abuse
>because hepats a little girl on the fanny. What a world it has become.
>
>There was a Tim Horton's in Parkersburg, back when Wendy's owned them
>I think, that seemed pretty good to me. I'd hit there Sunday a.m.
>early for coffee (my wife hated it, I loved it: Probably has something
>to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
>
>The reasons companies use these days when it comes time to let someone
>go are incredible. A frigging miniature donut, though, is about as low
>as it gets. There aren't any that I know of around here, but when I'm
>elsewhere, I will make avoidance a point.
One on every second street corner in
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge/Guelph area.
Reasonable food for a reasonable price, plus donuts and muffins and
addicting coffee (which I don't drink - period.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uO6Wj.6104$T1.1343@trnddc01...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can we talk about tablesaws now?
>
> With or without consealed damage?
>
> Lew
How about drill presses? I wonder if Tim Horton's uses a drill press to
make the holes in donuts. Wouldn't the Timbits have a pilot hole in them
though?
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 9, 12:18 am, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Charlie Self" wrote
>>
>> >> Probably has something
>> >> to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
>>
>> > LOL ... you're not one of those who, like me, actually looked
>> > forward to SOS for breakfast, and mess hall corned beef at supper?
>>
>> Liver and onions with seconds at lunch. Same again for dinner. And
>> sneak into midnight chow for more. Why they bothered with liver is
>> beyond me, most folks hated it. Coffee picked up from the mess hall
>> at 7am Saturday still on the hot plate at 7am Sunday. Standing a
>> spoon upright in it was almost possible.
>>
>> But, I'll pass on the chicken. Somebody in the Pentagon or Congress
>> must have owned a chicken ranch.
>
> At Parris Island, the ONLY time I got enough to eat was on the days we
> had liver and onions. There was always enough for thirds.
>
Same guy that had the chicken ranch must have been heavy into Liver
Futures!
<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message
> They should fire the 3 morons and give HER the job. She was execising
> good public relations. The morons wouldn't know good public relations
> if it kicked them in the behind.
> I'd say she was management material.
According to the news, orders from head office have her rehired and working
at different Tim Hortons.
On May 12, 11:01=A0pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:uO6Wj.6104$T1.1343@trnddc01...
>
>
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Can we talk about tablesaws now?
>
> > With or without consealed damage?
>
> > Lew
>
> How about drill presses? =A0I wonder if Tim Horton's uses a drill press to=
> make the holes in donuts. =A0Wouldn't the Timbits have a pilot hole in the=
m
> though?
They DO have pilot holes in them. That's how they fill them with jelly.
On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:41:34 -0700, "DGDevin" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> There's a statement about it on the Tim Hortons web site--seems that
>> they agree that the firing was inappropriate.
>
>That might be the case, there are lots of idiotic managerial droids out
>there. Or they might be trying to avoid more bad publicity, you never know
>these days.
>
Timmy's are franchise operations - every one of them.
Corporate has no direct say in hiring or firing.
Then the stores are run for the franchisee by managers.
In most cases a franchisee owns numerous stores in a given market
area.
In this case, the store managers took it on themselves to mete out
some "justice" because of a personal grievance (apparently the
employee stuck up for another employee (or more than one) in a
dissagreement of some sort with the manager.
The franchisee has rehired the employee and she will be working at a
different location - not under the same managers.
The franchisee and corporate are apparently "weighing their options"
as far as the managers are concerned.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
On May 8, 9:49=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > r
>
> Well I agree this is silly. =A0Silly too, is what is not a sensational new=
s
> story, =A0is not mentioned in the article. =A0I don't think I would be so
> gullible as to believe that this was not the straw that broke the camels
> back.
>
> Stupid is the call to fire her over this particular infraction.
I have got to congratulate Tim Hortons on one VERY fast reaction and
superb damage control effort.
I receiver 2 e-mails in response to my e-mails and they basically
said: "Yup somebody screwed up, we're on it..."
And an immediate apology to all those offended.
My coffee is still WAY better.
AND that manager should be fired.
On May 8, 12:16 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Frank Boettcher"
>
> > I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things may
> > have changed since I was in business school.
>
> > The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather than
> > "managing" to some set of strict rules.
>
> My point was that one learns the "leadership" necessary to successfully run
> a specific business by first gaining a thorough knowledge of the specific
> business. IOW, and contrary to current perception, "leadership" is rarely
> gained by the act of attending "business school".
>
> I've said this before: I theorize that much of what you see wrong with the
> current corporate mentality started with a secret project during WWII to
> train "managers" for the ramping up of manufacturing for military/war effort
> needs, and has since evolved to the point that conventional wisdom dictates
> a "business/MBA school" graduate needs to know little else but what is
> taught therein to run any company he heads insofar as whatever widget it
> produces.
>
> Besides, ever notice that the rise of the "business/MBA school graduate", as
> a practiced prerequisite for running a business, coincides nicely with total
> disregard for the customer, doing whatever is expedient for the "bottom
> line", and the concept of if it ain't illegal, do it, and morality be
> damned?
>
> (present company excluded, of course <g>)
>
> IMO, we're now arguably seeing the results of this learned behavior in the
> rapidly obvious conclusion that we've become a second rate nation with a
> second rate economy ... just check out tonight's global business section for
> ample evidence of that.
>
> Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one on the
> commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
>
> Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and before you
> know it you got boxes specifically stating something's inside that isn't ...
> and folks defending what's a wrong as a right.
>
I second your motions, all of them.
I don't know whether to recommend closing all grad level business
schools, or forcing them to re-examine basic morality, as understand
in Christian society (and that comes from what is best described as a
non-practicing one-time sort of Christian, me).
On May 8, 11:55=A0pm, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> > r
>
> What in the hell is a "recycled" TimBit??
>
That only applies to the Tim Horton version of the Kopi Luwak
flavoured TimBits <G>
Frank Boettcher wrote:
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:16:29 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Frank Boettcher"
>>
>>> I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things
>>> may have changed since I was in business school.
>>>
>>> The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather
>>> than
>>> "managing" to some set of strict rules.
>>
>> My point was that one learns the "leadership" necessary to
>> successfully run a specific business by first gaining a thorough
>> knowledge of the specific business. IOW, and contrary to current
>> perception, "leadership" is rarely gained by the act of attending
>> "business school".
>>
> Granted, and I agree wholeheartedly. My point is that the business
> school doesn't teach improperly, but many corporations rely on the
> credential so enthusiastically that they fast track their graduates
> so
> that they never actually spend the time to learn the business. When
> the relevant foundation isn't there then they revert to the math
> because it is easy and comforts them with their decisions. That is
> a
> problem that will bring very successful companies to their knees in
> a
> flash. I got to live through it.
>
>> I've said this before: I theorize that much of what you see wrong
>> with the current corporate mentality started with a secret project
>> during WWII to train "managers" for the ramping up of manufacturing
>> for military/war effort needs, and has since evolved to the point
>> that conventional wisdom dictates a "business/MBA school" graduate
>> needs to know little else but what is taught therein to run any
>> company he heads insofar as whatever widget it produces.
>>
>> Besides, ever notice that the rise of the "business/MBA school
>> graduate", as a practiced prerequisite for running a business,
>> coincides nicely with total disregard for the customer, doing
>> whatever is expedient for the "bottom line", and the concept of if
>> it ain't illegal, do it, and morality be damned?
>>
>> (present company excluded, of course <g>)
>
> Of course! I had a fortunate but rare advantage. My MBA came over
> a
> period of five years after working from the very bottom over a
> period
> of ten years. That early, valuable education eliminated the normal
> delusions of grandeur that fresh MBA's roll out of school with.
>>
>> IMO, we're now arguably seeing the results of this learned behavior
>> in the rapidly obvious conclusion that we've become a second rate
>> nation with a second rate economy ... just check out tonight's
>> global business section for ample evidence of that.
>>
>> Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one
>> on the commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
>
> Fat chance my friend!
If you're ever in New England try Friendly's. Theirs come pretty
close to the picture.
But Tim Hortons isn't the place to go for a burger--they're the
Canadian equivalent of Dunkin Donuts. Often partnered with a Wendys
though--if you want a burger you to to the Wendys side, if you want a
donut you go to the Tim Horton side.
>> Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and
>> before you know it you got boxes specifically stating something's
>> inside that isn't ... and folks defending what's a wrong as a
>> right.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
DGDevin wrote:
> Dave in Houston wrote:
>
>> Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues"
>> relative to her job performance and had possibly/probably been
>> warned. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the
>> whole story.
>
> I'd certainly want more information before deciding if she had it
> coming or not. However trivial this incident was, if she had a
> history of giving away product (perhaps to friends?) and had been
> warned about it before then maybe they were justified in firing her.
> I've had to fire a few people over the years, it was never on a
> first
> offense or even a second, but once someone convinced me they either
> were not capable of doing the job or just didn't give enough of a
> crap, then my responsibility to the business says they have to go.
> The smart policy is to issue written warnings and document them
> every
> time, if somebody takes exception to being fired a file full of
> warnings is hard to explain away.
There's a statement about it on the Tim Hortons web site--seems that
they agree that the firing was inappropriate.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Robatoy wrote:
> I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> r
There is more now.
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/05/08/timbit-lilliman.html?ref=rss
And I agree. Outrageous
--
Tanus
This is not really a sig
http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/
Doug Brown wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> But Tim Hortons isn't the place to go for a burger--they're the
>> Canadian equivalent of Dunkin Donuts. Often partnered with a
>> Wendys
>> though--if you want a burger you to to the Wendys side, if you want
>> a
>> donut you go to the Tim Horton side.
>>
>
> So - What's wrong with that?
Who said there was anything wrong with it? Someone made a comment
about burgers, I replied that you don't get burgers at Tim Hortons (at
least not any Tim Hortons that I've ever been in--sandwiches, yes, but
not the particular kind of sandwich that is commonly referred to as a
"burger"). Then I added additional information that one can get
burgers at the Wendys that is often but not always partnered with Tim
Hortons.
> Despite the fact that Dunkin Donus bombed in Canada, their product
> it
> pretty goot.
>
> Tims is what it is - nothing more and nothing less.
>
> Ya waht a donut - go to a donut shop - Ya want a burge ----- don't
> go
> to a burger shop????
Ya want a donut, don't go a shop that doesn't have donuts. You want a
burger, don't go to a shop that doesn't have burgers.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Doug Brown wrote:
> <clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message >
>> APPARENTLY the employee in question had stood up for some other
>> employee in a conflict with the "boss" who then had it in for her.
>> The TimBit was the excuse. Totally against canadian labour
>> regulations and everything else - common sense and common courtesy
>> included.
>>
>> I suspect the manager(s) involved will be disciplined severely -
>> and
>> may VERY well lose her (their) job(s).
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> I hope I clipped this correcltly.
>
> As one radio pundit said today --- $16 for a Timbit and
> $16,000,000.00 of bad PR/
>
> Couldn't agree more!
16 bucks for a TimBit? Geez, I knew inflation was bad but that's
ridiculous.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Charlie Self" wrote
>
>> Probably has something
>> to do with mess hall coffee) and donuts.
>
> LOL ... you're not one of those who, like me, actually looked forward
> to SOS for breakfast, and mess hall corned beef at supper?
Liver and onions with seconds at lunch. Same again for dinner. And sneak
into midnight chow for more. Why they bothered with liver is beyond me,
most folks hated it. Coffee picked up from the mess hall at 7am Saturday
still on the hot plate at 7am Sunday. Standing a spoon upright in it was
almost possible.
But, I'll pass on the chicken. Somebody in the Pentagon or Congress must
have owned a chicken ranch.
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:24:14 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I doubt that the three supervisors went to business school. If they
> did, they need to go back for a refresher course.
All three may have been promoted from her position prior to her having
it!
Dave in Houston
On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Can we talk about tablesaws now?
Only if they are equipped with SawStop.
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
If you read the fine print at the bottom of the article, she was rehired the
next day.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-dc073dc22881@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>
> r
On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:16:29 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Frank Boettcher"
>
>> I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things may
>> have changed since I was in business school.
>>
>> The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather than
>> "managing" to some set of strict rules.
>
>My point was that one learns the "leadership" necessary to successfully run
>a specific business by first gaining a thorough knowledge of the specific
>business. IOW, and contrary to current perception, "leadership" is rarely
>gained by the act of attending "business school".
>
Granted, and I agree wholeheartedly. My point is that the business
school doesn't teach improperly, but many corporations rely on the
credential so enthusiastically that they fast track their graduates so
that they never actually spend the time to learn the business. When
the relevant foundation isn't there then they revert to the math
because it is easy and comforts them with their decisions. That is a
problem that will bring very successful companies to their knees in a
flash. I got to live through it.
>I've said this before: I theorize that much of what you see wrong with the
>current corporate mentality started with a secret project during WWII to
>train "managers" for the ramping up of manufacturing for military/war effort
>needs, and has since evolved to the point that conventional wisdom dictates
>a "business/MBA school" graduate needs to know little else but what is
>taught therein to run any company he heads insofar as whatever widget it
>produces.
>
>Besides, ever notice that the rise of the "business/MBA school graduate", as
>a practiced prerequisite for running a business, coincides nicely with total
>disregard for the customer, doing whatever is expedient for the "bottom
>line", and the concept of if it ain't illegal, do it, and morality be
>damned?
>
>(present company excluded, of course <g>)
Of course! I had a fortunate but rare advantage. My MBA came over a
period of five years after working from the very bottom over a period
of ten years. That early, valuable education eliminated the normal
delusions of grandeur that fresh MBA's roll out of school with.
>
>IMO, we're now arguably seeing the results of this learned behavior in the
>rapidly obvious conclusion that we've become a second rate nation with a
>second rate economy ... just check out tonight's global business section for
>ample evidence of that.
>
>Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one on the
>commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
Fat chance my friend!
>
>Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and before you
>know it you got boxes specifically stating something's inside that isn't ...
>and folks defending what's a wrong as a right.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, will you offer her a job? The link also had a story that
> she was hired back. Hmm. In the US, I have been employed
> for the last 40 years by a variety of companies, some large,
> some small with the understanding that I could be
> let go at any time. I was laid off twice and decided
> that was it and went off on my own. Best decision I
<<<snip>>>
The difference is between "fired" and "laid off" or (I hate this one)
downsized is that if you are laid off, a future employer likely will not
think twice about it, other than maybe thinking about if you get called
back.
"Fired", on the other hand, has some very negative connotations that, in
this case, a young mother, may have a hard time getting around for a while
to get another job
> Bottom line - be prepared for surprises in life. Didn't
> John Lennon say: "Life is what happens when you're busy
> making ther plans?"
>
> MJ Wallace
I won't even make a guess as to whether the managers made the right or wrong
call, based on policy, but I do wonder why the hell it took THREE of them!!!
I've had to fire a few guys in a prior life as a boss....never once did I
need "help" or backup.
Mike
"Robatoy" > "Robatoy" wrote in message
Tim Hortons's stuff is shit anyway.
'seriously clipped.'
I agree - can't stand Timmies coffee or doughtnuts. But I am (seriously)
coflicted. My son is in uniform and as we all know - Timmies is the
national coffee shop. Where do I go? what do I buy? Oh, the agony.
"Chris Friesen" wrote
> Frank Boettcher wrote:
>
>> Managers are a dime a dozen. Leaders are hard to make or find.
>>
>> I see that she was rehired?
>
> Looks like they offered her a job at another location owned by the same
> franchisee but managed by different people, and offered to make up any
> financial difficulties caused by the firing.
>
> Looks like Tim Hortons corporate people are stepping in to try and avoid
> bad press.
>
I would be much more impressed if they fired those three morons who created
this debacle in the first place.
"Robatoy" wrote
> Unfortunately for Tim Hortons it *is* the whole story. Besides..
> whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt?
From a PR perspective, you are absolutely correct. Perception is
everything. Even if firing was justified for other reasons, this petty and
moronic act will do much damage to their reputation. If there is some
backbone or intelligence in this company, somebody could turn this thing
around and actually gain from it. Doesn't sound like that is likely though.
> If there were other issues, why chose this idiotic one?
This is exactly the kind of thing that is discussed in business schools.
Not that it matters much in the real world. Corporate management of many
companies is unfeeling or caring. Even if it costs the company business.
"Robatoy" wrote in message
>> Swingman wrote:
>> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public schools
>> down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good, but to
relieve
>> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>>
>MMmmmm... never quite looked at it that way. I guess it is safe to
>assume that the managers will be okay then... after all, that is all
>that seems to matter. Screw the serfs.
A "manager" will never be fired for enforcing a rule or policy, no matter
how ridiculous. He is, after all, "just doing his job".
... there you have the hidden agenda/thrust behind a "zero tolerance"
policy.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 3/27/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:50:57 -0700, "DGDevin" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Dave in Houston wrote:
>
>> Exactly what I was thinking. I suspect she had other "issues"
>> relative to her job performance and had possibly/probably been warned.
>> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this isn't the whole story.
>
>I'd certainly want more information before deciding if she had it coming or
>not. However trivial this incident was, if she had a history of giving away
>product (perhaps to friends?) and had been warned about it before then maybe
>they were justified in firing her. I've had to fire a few people over the
>years, it was never on a first offense or even a second, but once someone
>convinced me they either were not capable of doing the job or just didn't
>give enough of a crap, then my responsibility to the business says they have
>to go. The smart policy is to issue written warnings and document them
>every time, if somebody takes exception to being fired a file full of
>warnings is hard to explain away.
>
No history of giving away food. No (required by law) documented
warnings for anything - just a manager with a personal grudge against
an employee who stood up to her for another employee, apparently.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
"Swingman" wrote:
> Hehe .... "fat. Probably a good thing, that chance. :)
Recently saw a TV program on PBS describing how the US diet is
basically corn based.
Feed lots that fatten cattle using corn produce an obese animal that
would probably live little more than a few months past the normal
slaughter date, according to the program.
Don't eat much beef anymore, probably just as well.
Lew
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have been in management positions before and I am again. As a
> business owner, I hire people who can do MY job.
One piece of advice I hope you already know: Never be afraid to hire
someone smarter than you, whether you are an owner or manager.
On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:13:27 -0700, "DGDevin" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
>
>> Timmy's are franchise operations - every one of them.
>> Corporate has no direct say in hiring or firing.
>
>Corporate always has a say, it would be naive to believe otherwise.
>Franchise contracts usually give the head office considerable say in how the
>individual outlets are run, and actions triggering negative publicity for
>the brand name could easily be something covered by TH's contract.
>
Note I said DIRECT. They get involved after the fact when things go
wrong.
Corporate does NOT do the local hiring and firing. That is the
franchisee's domain. (and sometimes downloaded to local management)
Here in Kitchener each franchisee owns half a dozen to a dozen
locations.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:31:23 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Chris Friesen" wrote
>
>> Frank Boettcher wrote:
>>
>>> Managers are a dime a dozen. Leaders are hard to make or find.
>>>
>>> I see that she was rehired?
>>
>> Looks like they offered her a job at another location owned by the same
>> franchisee but managed by different people, and offered to make up any
>> financial difficulties caused by the firing.
>>
>> Looks like Tim Hortons corporate people are stepping in to try and avoid
>> bad press.
>>
>I would be much more impressed if they fired those three morons who created
>this debacle in the first place.
>
>
They should fire the 3 morons and give HER the job. She was execising
good public relations. The morons wouldn't know good public relations
if it kicked them in the behind.
I'd say she was management material.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Can we talk about tablesaws now?
With or without consealed damage?
Lew
"Frank Boettcher"
> I'll have to respectfully disagree on this point, although things may
> have changed since I was in business school.
>
> The emphasis was and, I believe, still is on "leading". rather than
> "managing" to some set of strict rules.
My point was that one learns the "leadership" necessary to successfully run
a specific business by first gaining a thorough knowledge of the specific
business. IOW, and contrary to current perception, "leadership" is rarely
gained by the act of attending "business school".
I've said this before: I theorize that much of what you see wrong with the
current corporate mentality started with a secret project during WWII to
train "managers" for the ramping up of manufacturing for military/war effort
needs, and has since evolved to the point that conventional wisdom dictates
a "business/MBA school" graduate needs to know little else but what is
taught therein to run any company he heads insofar as whatever widget it
produces.
Besides, ever notice that the rise of the "business/MBA school graduate", as
a practiced prerequisite for running a business, coincides nicely with total
disregard for the customer, doing whatever is expedient for the "bottom
line", and the concept of if it ain't illegal, do it, and morality be
damned?
(present company excluded, of course <g>)
IMO, we're now arguably seeing the results of this learned behavior in the
rapidly obvious conclusion that we've become a second rate nation with a
second rate economy ... just check out tonight's global business section for
ample evidence of that.
Me, I just want to buy a hamburger that actually looks like the one on the
commercials, or the pictures on the wall! :)
Let the little things slide in the name of the bottom line and before you
know it you got boxes specifically stating something's inside that isn't ...
and folks defending what's a wrong as a right.
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"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> Maybe, but wasn't it consistent application of policy without
>> exception
> that
>> got the girl fired?
>
> What got the girl fired was an insecure ego-tripping little vacuous
> malodorous toffee-nosed megalomaniac manager who didn't like it that
> she stood up for a fellow employee who was being belittled by the
> power-tripper.
>
> Maybe. But, even the most extreme of control freaks must have
> occasional moments of lucidity and this was a situation that certainly
> called for it. Wonder what went wrong? This is something he will never
> be able to live down, whether he's fired, demoted or not. There can't
> be too many things more embarrassing than having your life destroyed
> by a Timbit. It's so ludicrous that I actually pity the guy.
>
He seem fortunate that his name is not public. Timbit will go into the
lexicon of manager screw ups, as in To Timbit, but apparently not the
manager's name.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> But Tim Hortons isn't the place to go for a burger--they're the
> Canadian equivalent of Dunkin Donuts. Often partnered with a Wendys
> though--if you want a burger you to to the Wendys side, if you want a
> donut you go to the Tim Horton side.
>
So - What's wrong with that?
Despite the fact that Dunkin Donus bombed in Canada, their product it pretty
goot.
Tims is what it is - nothing more and nothing less.
Ya waht a donut - go to a donut shop - Ya want a burge ----- don't go to a
burger shop????
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jim Willemin wrote:
>
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:9670ca79-b34f-40bc-95c1-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>>
>> She was probably on the store's kill list because she had a good work
>> ethic and made the other employees look bad.
>
> Huh? What store management has that kind of attitude? Other
> employees
> maybe, but not store management.
>
>
Making the managers look bad is also a possibility.
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 8, 10:15 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" wrote in message
>> > I don't care if there *is* more to the story... it is an outrage.
>>
>> >http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/422864
>>
>> Sounds a (Tim)bit like the "zero tolerance" policy in our public
>> schools down thissaway, the sole purpose of which is not public good,
>> but to relie
> ve
>> incompetent administrators from the consequences of making decisions.
>>
> MMmmmm... never quite looked at it that way. I guess it is safe to
> assume that the managers will be okay then... after all, that is all
> that seems to matter. Screw the serfs.
>
> There was just an update on the radio that one of the managers
> admitted that the employee in question had never been written up for
> anything in 3 years.
>
> Tim Hortons's stuff is shit anyway.
>
>
Sounds a bit like Dickens.
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Can we talk about tablesaws now?
>
> Only if they are equipped with SawStop.
Uh oh ...
<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message >
> APPARENTLY the employee in question had stood up for some other
> employee in a conflict with the "boss" who then had it in for her.
> The TimBit was the excuse. Totally against canadian labour regulations
> and everything else - common sense and common courtesy included.
>
> I suspect the manager(s) involved will be disciplined severely - and
> may VERY well lose her (their) job(s).
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
I hope I clipped this correcltly.
As one radio pundit said today --- $16 for a Timbit and $16,000,000.00 of
bad PR/
Couldn't agree more!