OT: Lost a dear friend, very skilled accountant and above all, my dad.

"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> <snip>
>>
>> My mother had an INR of 8+ once or twice and survived, for a while.
>> She died at 95+, too, but had been living by herself in a senior home
>> until the last year, when she moved in with my brother.
>>
>> I was on Warfarin for a short time (AF) but had the opposite problem.
>> It took forever to get my INR up to 3 so they could do the jump-start.
>
> My boss (before my retirement) needed to go on warfarin according to his
> doctor. I am totally against doctors selfdiagnosing and treating, but
> that my boss (a chief of hematology) submitted to this for his not so
> great problem surprised me. That he stayed on warfarin despite the big
> swings in INR surprised me even more. And then considering he is a
> nitpicker of sorts and certainly kept to his diet ...
>
> In summary and in my never humble opinion, if you do not absolutely have
> to be on warfarin, stay off it. If you do have to be on it, do your
> utmost to get an in-home machine for checking your INR.
>
> The INR is a measure of blood clotting speed. It is called International
> Normalized Ratio because every lab (at least used to) have its own way of
> measuring clotting by adding several substances to blood to start the
> clotting process. By comparing the test on blood of a patient to that of
> a normal with standardized reagents, the ratio turned out to be
> independent of the lab where the tests were performed. A normal INR
> should be 1. If they INR is lower than 1, you're more prone to forming
> clots that could lead to DVT, stroke or heart attack. Above 1 by quite a
> bit and you're in danger of bleeding (gastrointestinal isn't good, but
> brain is terrible (hemorrhagic stroke)). If you are in danger of forming
> clots for other reasons (e.g. arrythmia) that would give you DVT, stroke
> or heart attack, the INR the doctors strive for is from 1.5 to 3. If
> your INR gets higher than 4 or 5, the doctors start to worry. Above 7 is
> reason for grave concern or panic because of the enhanced risk of
> bleeding, especially in the brain. At that end of the spectrum (very
> high INR), the therapy is stopping the warfarin and intravenous vitamin
> K. And monitoring the INR carefully.
>
> The way warfarin works is by inhibiting formation of vitamin K, which is
> needed for a certain special kind of protein modification called gamma
> carboxylation. This promotes formation of calcium bonds between several
> blood clotting-promoting plasma proteins and cells. When the (gamma-
> carboxylated) proteins get bound to cells, clotting goes literally
> hundreds of thousands times faster than when the proteins are free-
> floating in plasma without gammacarboxylation.
>
> It takes time for warfarin to effect a new equilibrium of the degree of
> gammacarboxylation (a day or two) because the vitamin K present takes
> time to be used up. Vitamin K is also in the diet (broccoli and
> generally green leafy vegetables are relatively rich in it). So it is
> very important that someone on warfarin therapy keeps to a constant
> intake of dietary vitamin K. And that isn't so easy ...
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

OH:

I thought the Wikipedia article informative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On May 22, 6:36=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 22 May 2011 21:56:21 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
> ><snip>
>
> >> My mother had an INR of 8+ once or twice and survived, for a while.
> >> She died at 95+, too, but had been living by herself in a senior home
> >> until the last year, when she moved in with my brother.
>
> >> I was on Warfarin for a short time (AF) but had the opposite problem.
> >> It took forever to get my INR up to 3 so they could do the jump-start.
>
> >My boss (before my retirement) needed to go on warfarin according to his
> >doctor. =A0I am totally against doctors selfdiagnosing and treating, but
> >that my boss (a chief of hematology) submitted to this for his not so
> >great problem surprised me. =A0That he stayed on warfarin despite the bi=
g
> >swings in INR surprised me even more. =A0And then considering he is a
> >nitpicker of sorts and certainly kept to his diet ...
>
> >In summary and in my never humble opinion, if you do not absolutely have
> >to be on warfarin, stay off it. =A0If you do have to be on it, do your
> >utmost to get an in-home machine for checking your INR.
>
> In my case it was because of arrhythmia (Atrial Fibrillation) and only
> temporary. =A0It took a few weeks to get it up to 2-3 (they wanted it clo=
ser to
> 3). =A0It was stuck at 1.5 or 1.8, or some such. =A0They wanted my INR at=
3 for
> three weeks before doing a cardioversion. =A0It's over four years, and so=
far so
> good. =A0
>
> My mother, OTOH, was on Warfarin for a decade or so. =A0Only the last yea=
r or so
> did they have trouble regulating her INR, I suppose as the kidneys and he=
art
> competed for the doctor's attention.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> >The way warfarin works is by inhibiting formation of vitamin K, which is
> >needed for a certain special kind of protein modification called gamma
> >carboxylation. =A0This promotes formation of calcium bonds between sever=
al
> >blood clotting-promoting plasma proteins and cells. =A0When the (gamma-
> >carboxylated) proteins get bound to cells, clotting goes literally
> >hundreds of thousands times faster than when the proteins are free-
> >floating in plasma without gammacarboxylation.
>
> >It takes time for warfarin to effect a new equilibrium of the degree of
> >gammacarboxylation (a day or two) because the vitamin K present takes
> >time to be used up. =A0Vitamin K is also in the diet (broccoli and
> >generally green leafy vegetables are relatively rich in it). =A0So it is
> >very important that someone on warfarin therapy keeps to a constant
> >intake of dietary vitamin K. =A0And that isn't so easy ...
>
> Yes, my wife was instructed to leave that crap out of my diet. =A0I've be=
en
> telling her that for forty years, though. =A0;-)

Have her send my wife those recipes. I don't do broccoli...and if I
have to, raw in a dip...maybe. That shit's rabbit food, man....
I mean WHO wants their proteins free-floating in plasma without
gammacarboxylation. Seriously.. I ask you!

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
>One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>situations and places.
>While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>so typical.
>We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>first. He did.
>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>Robatoy

Rob..

Loosing a parent is never easy but I am glad to hear he went quietly
in to the night and lived a long life. My deepest sympathies to you,
your family, and your mother. I hope you get more time with her.

I lost my father christmas eve in '93. He was only 73. I still want
to reach out to talk or show him something I've made because he would
have loved it all so much. I still have my mother but these years have
been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while yet,
god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.

Respectfully,
~Casper

On May 22, 9:44=A0am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
>. I still have my mother but these years have
> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while yet,
> god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>

That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the worst
when her blood thinners went through the roof and started internal
bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as the only
ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH deserved,
the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were told
to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it. So we
booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple of
weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips, which
kept us hopping.
In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
brought him.
Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and during
which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.

On May 21, 8:54=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>
> > My condolences as well.
>
> > I've been considering adopting an aged homeless dog lately. =A0Maybe
> > this is the impetus I need.
>
> > -Zz
>
> Z:
>
> That's the best commemorative idea yet. Having toured the
> shelters relentlessly and successfully after my dog snapped
> a chain on 7-4, the guarantee is you can find any breed you
> want. Bigger and older black dogs of all kinds have the
> worst luck in shelter adoptions.
>
> There are a number of private German Shepherd rescue locations
> in your area and a fine Doberman rescue in Fillmore, if
> those breeds are of appeal. Most--if not all--have websites
> with pictures and animal histories.They would be
> happy to help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey

One of the most affectionate dogs I ever met was a Doberman belonging
to a friend of mine. Affectionate almost to the point of being a pain
in the ass. But if you wagged your finger at her, she lie down on your
feet...for a while...then soooowly put her head on your thigh...and
then a paw... and if you let her... LAPDOG!! She could run down and
catch a Frisbee...holy cow...

On May 22, 11:54=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:337a195f-cee9-487e-a285-
> [email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 9:44=A0am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>. I still have my mother but these years have
> >> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while yet,
> >> god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>
> > That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the worst
> > when her blood thinners went through the roof and started internal
> > bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as the only
> > ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH deserved,
> > the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
> > The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were told
> > to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it. So we
> > booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
> > notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
> > tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
> > sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
> > But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
> > fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple of
> > weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips, which
> > kept us hopping.
> > In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
> > just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
> > brought him.
> > Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and during
> > which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.
>
> Yes, these things happen. =A0It's good that you are not far from your
> parents. =A0I made too many trips back to Holland in days past ...
>
> As far as Warfarin (Coumadin) is concerned, it's a good but difficult
> drug. =A0One needs to stay on top of the INR of the bleeding time. =A0
> Luckily, there are some new machines coming out that make in-home testing
> more feasible. =A0I'd look into that if you can.
>
> For the story of the invention of Warfarin, and the role of persistent
> cow farmers and the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation (WARF), see this
> site (probably many more like that, but the story is good, IMNSHO):
> <http://www.flounder.com/warfarin.htm>
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

When we got to London, her INR was 7.4. A week prior, she was written
up in her file with an INR of 4.2. The doctor told the RN to keep
given her the prescribed amount. Idiot.

On 5/21/2011 10:32 AM, Robatoy wrote:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Very sorry to hear that, Rob.

The following has helped many in such times, Linda said to send it to
you in hopes that it does so again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xF-uKhBvs

--
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On May 22, 3:37=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote innews:43412f47-11dc-4096-9528-58=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 11:54=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:337a195f-cee9-487e-a285-
> >> [email protected]:
>
> >> > On May 22, 9:44=A0am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>. I still have my mother but these years have
> >> >> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while
> >> >> yet, god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>
> >> > That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the
> >> > worst when her blood thinners went through the roof and started
> >> > internal bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as
> >> > the only ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH
> >> > deserved, the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
> >> > The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were
> >> > told to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it.
> >> > So we booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
> >> > notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
> >> > tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
> >> > sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
> >> > But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
> >> > fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple
> >> > of weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips,
> >> > which kept us hopping.
> >> > In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
> >> > just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
> >> > brought him.
> >> > Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and
> >> > during which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.
>
> >> Yes, these things happen. =A0It's good that you are not far from your
> >> parents. =A0I made too many trips back to Holland in days past ...
>
> >> As far as Warfarin (Coumadin) is concerned, it's a good but difficult
> >> drug. =A0One needs to stay on top of the INR of the bleeding time. =A0
> >> Luckily, there are some new machines coming out that make in-home
> >> testing more feasible. =A0I'd look into that if you can.
>
> >> For the story of the invention of Warfarin, and the role of
> >> persistent cow farmers and the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
> >> (WARF), see this site (probably many more like that, but the story is
> >> good, IMNSHO): <http://www.flounder.com/warfarin.htm>
>
> >> --
> >> Best regards
> >> Han
> >> email address is invalid
>
> > When we got to London, her INR was 7.4. A week prior, she was written
> > up in her file with an INR of 4.2. The doctor told the RN to keep
> > given her the prescribed amount. Idiot.
>
> That's malpractice (IMNSHO). =A0Grandma (son-in-law's) once had an INR of
> 8, but survived that. =A0Took her a long time of declining health to die =
at
> over 95. =A0Not pretty.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

Angela taught Medication distribution and the associated MAR paperwork
and one totally useless 'doctor' has been reported to the College.
That sweet woman turns into a pitbull when it becomes obvious that
somebody is incompetent.

On May 22, 3:59 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> Speaking of which, how are your parents doing these days?
>
> Lew

As good as they can, I guess. They just found a malignant growth on
my Dad's face and removed it, and he now has a hold the size of a
nickel just under his cheekbone that oozes all day long. A specialist
will look at it to see if they need to cut more off, or to have chemo/
radiation (that won't happen). He is now completely confined to his
wheelchair, and has lost most of his dexterity. He is almost
completely incontinent.

I don't know how he does it, but he is in a strangely good mood most
of the time. We have just finished redoing all his legal stuff from
wills, powers of atty., etc., etc., so he is pretty relaxed about
that. I have cleaned out and am selling his old house after a bunch
of repairs, so that is almost off his plate. He stays active
mentally, so he loves it when I bring barbecue over to him (verboten
at his joint because of the onions and spices) and we have a nice
chat. If I cut up his food, he can spear it, so he feels pretty good
about that.

Mom.... well Mom is starting to check out mentally. She has a lot of
maladies that old folks have in her 80+ years, but her mental
faculties just aren't holding up. In a weird way, this works well
for my Dad as he says "I can't leave yet, someone has to take of the
old woman" and he makes sure she takes her medicines, goes to her
balance classes, makes her doctors appts. and eats. He has a sense
of purpose with her around, so it keeps him occupied.

>>> I was sure thinking of my Dad <<< when I read Rob's account of his Dad's last day. My Dad has seen a lot of that where is now, and he has his fingers crossed that he will go the same way.

Thanks for asking, Lew. There are times I feel like the Lone Ranger
with all that going on, even though as I have said before I know I am
on a well worn path.

I will say one thing, though. I really do understand that old saying
"getting old ain't for the weak".

Robert

"Robatoy" wrote ...
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
My sincere condolences to you and your family.

He must have been an amazing person. After all, he helped create you!

I am sure that the many life lessons he taught you will be carried on by
your and your family.

On 2011-05-21 11:32:31 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.

When I woke up this morning, I was missing my dad, who died a little
over three years ago (at 89 yr., 3 da.). There've been many times since
I've found myself thinking, "Hey, Dad would like that!" or, "Bet Dad
would find that as funny as I do..." In short, I've got a pretty good
idea what you're experiencing.

Enjoy the memories.

Peace.

"Robatoy" wrote:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
----------------------
My thoughts are with you and yours.

Lew

Robatoy wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

My condolences, Robatoy. You are fortunate to have had him around for so
many years and I am sure that the memories of experiences you enjoyed with
him will bring many smiles to your face in the future.

--

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____________________________

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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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<[email protected]> wrote:

> Not much to say, really. It all sounds too pat.
>
> So I will give you my Dad's take (85) on this subject.
-------------------------------------
Speaking of which, how are your parents doing these days?

Lew

<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As good as they can, I guess. They just found a malignant growth on
> my Dad's face and removed it, and he now has a hold the size of a
> nickel just under his cheekbone that oozes all day long. A
> specialist
> will look at it to see if they need to cut more off, or to have
> chemo/
> radiation (that won't happen). He is now completely confined to his
> wheelchair, and has lost most of his dexterity. He is almost
> completely incontinent.
>
> I don't know how he does it, but he is in a strangely good mood most
> of the time. We have just finished redoing all his legal stuff from
> wills, powers of atty., etc., etc., so he is pretty relaxed about
> that. I have cleaned out and am selling his old house after a bunch
> of repairs, so that is almost off his plate. He stays active
> mentally, so he loves it when I bring barbecue over to him (verboten
> at his joint because of the onions and spices) and we have a nice
> chat. If I cut up his food, he can spear it, so he feels pretty
> good
> about that.
>
> Mom.... well Mom is starting to check out mentally. She has a lot
> of
> maladies that old folks have in her 80+ years, but her mental
> faculties just aren't holding up. In a weird way, this works well
> for my Dad as he says "I can't leave yet, someone has to take of the
> old woman" and he makes sure she takes her medicines, goes to her
> balance classes, makes her doctors appts. and eats. He has a sense
> of purpose with her around, so it keeps him occupied.
>
>>>> I was sure thinking of my Dad <<< when I read Rob's account of
>>>> his Dad's last day. My Dad has seen a lot of that where is now,
>>>> and he has his fingers crossed that he will go the same way.
>
> Thanks for asking, Lew. There are times I feel like the Lone Ranger
> with all that going on, even though as I have said before I know I
> am
> on a well worn path.
>
> I will say one thing, though. I really do understand that old
> saying
> "getting old ain't for the weak".
----------------------------------
Understand, watched my mom slip away over a year and a half period.

She finally cashed her hand at 103.

As I opened your post and read your description of your Dad's skin
cancer, I'm thinking "What the Hey", small world.

I'm also recovering from a skin cancer procedure on my cheek

Certainly no where near as serious as your dad's, but still a skin
cancer.


Good luck.

Lew

On 22 May 2011 21:56:21 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
><snip>
>>
>> My mother had an INR of 8+ once or twice and survived, for a while.
>> She died at 95+, too, but had been living by herself in a senior home
>> until the last year, when she moved in with my brother.
>>
>> I was on Warfarin for a short time (AF) but had the opposite problem.
>> It took forever to get my INR up to 3 so they could do the jump-start.
>
>My boss (before my retirement) needed to go on warfarin according to his
>doctor. I am totally against doctors selfdiagnosing and treating, but
>that my boss (a chief of hematology) submitted to this for his not so
>great problem surprised me. That he stayed on warfarin despite the big
>swings in INR surprised me even more. And then considering he is a
>nitpicker of sorts and certainly kept to his diet ...
>
>In summary and in my never humble opinion, if you do not absolutely have
>to be on warfarin, stay off it. If you do have to be on it, do your
>utmost to get an in-home machine for checking your INR.

In my case it was because of arrhythmia (Atrial Fibrillation) and only
temporary. It took a few weeks to get it up to 2-3 (they wanted it closer to
3). It was stuck at 1.5 or 1.8, or some such. They wanted my INR at 3 for
three weeks before doing a cardioversion. It's over four years, and so far so
good.

My mother, OTOH, was on Warfarin for a decade or so. Only the last year or so
did they have trouble regulating her INR, I suppose as the kidneys and heart
competed for the doctor's attention.

<snip>

>
>The way warfarin works is by inhibiting formation of vitamin K, which is
>needed for a certain special kind of protein modification called gamma
>carboxylation. This promotes formation of calcium bonds between several
>blood clotting-promoting plasma proteins and cells. When the (gamma-
>carboxylated) proteins get bound to cells, clotting goes literally
>hundreds of thousands times faster than when the proteins are free-
>floating in plasma without gammacarboxylation.
>
>It takes time for warfarin to effect a new equilibrium of the degree of
>gammacarboxylation (a day or two) because the vitamin K present takes
>time to be used up. Vitamin K is also in the diet (broccoli and
>generally green leafy vegetables are relatively rich in it). So it is
>very important that someone on warfarin therapy keeps to a constant
>intake of dietary vitamin K. And that isn't so easy ...

Yes, my wife was instructed to leave that crap out of my diet. I've been
telling her that for forty years, though. ;-)

On May 23, 5:25=A0am, "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Didn't wake up this morning. ....
>
> Mate. Can't imagine how you must feel. Hoping you find courage in your
> grief.
>
> Tim W

It is already getting better. I'm going through his slide collection
as we speak. We had time-shares in Italy, Bavaria, beach front in
Holland, he did just fine. Above all, he was a straight shooter. Never
any bullshit from him.

On May 27, 11:31=A0pm, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> >age 90.
>
> snip
>
> Only just saw this, my thoughts are with you and your family.
>
> Rgds,
> Phil

Thank you. We buried him yesterday. We were overwhelmed by the amount
of people he touched. The mood was even more up-beat than we hoped.
The whole thing is still a blur.

>
>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

My condolences as well.

I've been considering adopting an aged homeless dog lately. Maybe
this is the impetus I need.

-Zz

Robatoy wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Just saw this Toy - my condolences.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

My condolences to you and yours.

Like so many ... been there ... done that.

May your grief be relatively painless, and your memories of the man be
sweet, and permanent.

When those, close to me or whom I have come to know, have such a loss,
I, in my own quiet way, am often transfixed with their loss, their
descriptions of their loved one and what that person meant to them. I
try to learn, through their words, what, exactly, it is they have lost
and I, somehow, try to feel it for myself. I lost my dad when I was
nine. It is times as these that I wish I had such memories as yours.
There is a portrait of my dad that commands a wall, all for himself,
in my old shop. I have often wished he could see me now. I think he
would be proud.

I give a well deserved slatute to your Dad, Rob.

Sonny

Not much to say, really. It all sounds too pat.

So I will give you my Dad's take (85) on this subject. If your father
had a good life, enjoyed himself and his family and didn't suffer too
much, he did just fine. Sounds like he knocked it out of the park to
me.

I am sorry for your loss and hope you can keep the good thoughts in
your mind when you think of him. You know you have friends down here
in Texas, and we are thinking of you and yours.

Robert

Sorry for your loss....

shelly

On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700, Robatoy wrote:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to age
> 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last few
> weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh so
> typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

My condolences to you and your family, there is not much else one
can say.

Me and Swmbo rescue a lot of animals personally, I'll dedicate one for
him.

basilsik





--
A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.

Sincerest condolensces Rob.

"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:98f3bf6c-cfe0-466f-bb77-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>>> age 90.
>>> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>>> situations and places.
>>>
>>> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>>> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>>> so typical.
>>>
>>> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>>> first. He did.
>>>
>>> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>>
>> Mijn condoleances, ook via deze weg. Stand by Ma, she'll need it. Glad
>> Dad's passing was peaceful. Do they live close by? I know that it'll
>> likely take much longer than you would have thought before you have get
>> used to it, but I hope that you and Ma will be at peace soon.
>>
>> --
>> Groeten,
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> R:
>
> It comes to all of us. Quite apparently, your friend
> left something good behind. That tells accomplishment.
> I commiserate. My sympathies to the wife and family.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey

R:

Oh, if you want the name of the recipient appropriately
calligraphed on a sympathy card, send me the envelope
and I'll get it back promptly.
The posting address works for contact with the
obvious extraction.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:98f3bf6c-cfe0-466f-bb77-
[email protected]:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>

Rob,

So sorry for your loss. I lost my dad last Labor Day. I still expect to
come home and have a message on my answering machine from Dad, but it
never happens. Time will heal the wounds.

Steve

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:98f3bf6c-cfe0-466f-bb77-
[email protected]:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Mijn condoleances, ook via deze weg. Stand by Ma, she'll need it. Glad
Dad's passing was peaceful. Do they live close by? I know that it'll
likely take much longer than you would have thought before you have get
used to it, but I hope that you and Ma will be at peace soon.

--
Groeten,
Han
email address is invalid

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 5/21/2011 10:32 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>> age 90.
>> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>> situations and places.
>>
>> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>> so typical.
>>
>> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>> first. He did.
>>
>> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>
> Very sorry to hear that, Rob.
>
> The following has helped many in such times, Linda said to send it to
> you in hopes that it does so again:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xF-uKhBvs

Great, and appropriate clip! Thanks!
Reminded me of the 6th part of the Dutch national anthem, played at my
Mother's funeral. It talks about driving out tyranny, and was very
appropriate for Mammie. Maybe it'll help Rob also. It is the second
part of this rendition (traditionally the 1st and 6th are played, as
here). The English translation is only soso, but there aren't too many
good YouTubes ...
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIg9VaMBi9o>
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:337a195f-cee9-487e-a285-
[email protected]:

> On May 22, 9:44 am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>. I still have my mother but these years have
>> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while yet,
>> god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>>
>
> That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the worst
> when her blood thinners went through the roof and started internal
> bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as the only
> ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH deserved,
> the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
> The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were told
> to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it. So we
> booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
> notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
> tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
> sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
> But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
> fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple of
> weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips, which
> kept us hopping.
> In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
> just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
> brought him.
> Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and during
> which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.

Yes, these things happen. It's good that you are not far from your
parents. I made too many trips back to Holland in days past ...

As far as Warfarin (Coumadin) is concerned, it's a good but difficult
drug. One needs to stay on top of the INR of the bleeding time.
Luckily, there are some new machines coming out that make in-home testing
more feasible. I'd look into that if you can.

For the story of the invention of Warfarin, and the role of persistent
cow farmers and the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation (WARF), see this
site (probably many more like that, but the story is good, IMNSHO):
<http://www.flounder.com/warfarin.htm>


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On May 22, 11:54 am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:337a195f-cee9-487e-a285-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 22, 9:44 am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>. I still have my mother but these years have
>> >> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while
>> >> yet, god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>>
>> > That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the
>> > worst when her blood thinners went through the roof and started
>> > internal bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as
>> > the only ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH
>> > deserved, the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
>> > The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were
>> > told to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it.
>> > So we booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
>> > notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
>> > tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
>> > sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
>> > But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
>> > fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple
>> > of weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips,
>> > which kept us hopping.
>> > In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
>> > just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
>> > brought him.
>> > Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and
>> > during which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.
>>
>> Yes, these things happen.  It's good that you are not far from your
>> parents.  I made too many trips back to Holland in days past ...
>>
>> As far as Warfarin (Coumadin) is concerned, it's a good but difficult
>> drug.  One needs to stay on top of the INR of the bleeding time.  
>> Luckily, there are some new machines coming out that make in-home
>> testing more feasible.  I'd look into that if you can.
>>
>> For the story of the invention of Warfarin, and the role of
>> persistent cow farmers and the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
>> (WARF), see this site (probably many more like that, but the story is
>> good, IMNSHO): <http://www.flounder.com/warfarin.htm>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> When we got to London, her INR was 7.4. A week prior, she was written
> up in her file with an INR of 4.2. The doctor told the RN to keep
> given her the prescribed amount. Idiot.

That's malpractice (IMNSHO). Grandma (son-in-law's) once had an INR of
8, but survived that. Took her a long time of declining health to die at
over 95. Not pretty.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
>
> My mother had an INR of 8+ once or twice and survived, for a while.
> She died at 95+, too, but had been living by herself in a senior home
> until the last year, when she moved in with my brother.
>
> I was on Warfarin for a short time (AF) but had the opposite problem.
> It took forever to get my INR up to 3 so they could do the jump-start.

My boss (before my retirement) needed to go on warfarin according to his
doctor. I am totally against doctors selfdiagnosing and treating, but
that my boss (a chief of hematology) submitted to this for his not so
great problem surprised me. That he stayed on warfarin despite the big
swings in INR surprised me even more. And then considering he is a
nitpicker of sorts and certainly kept to his diet ...

In summary and in my never humble opinion, if you do not absolutely have
to be on warfarin, stay off it. If you do have to be on it, do your
utmost to get an in-home machine for checking your INR.

The INR is a measure of blood clotting speed. It is called International
Normalized Ratio because every lab (at least used to) have its own way of
measuring clotting by adding several substances to blood to start the
clotting process. By comparing the test on blood of a patient to that of
a normal with standardized reagents, the ratio turned out to be
independent of the lab where the tests were performed. A normal INR
should be 1. If they INR is lower than 1, you're more prone to forming
clots that could lead to DVT, stroke or heart attack. Above 1 by quite a
bit and you're in danger of bleeding (gastrointestinal isn't good, but
brain is terrible (hemorrhagic stroke)). If you are in danger of forming
clots for other reasons (e.g. arrythmia) that would give you DVT, stroke
or heart attack, the INR the doctors strive for is from 1.5 to 3. If
your INR gets higher than 4 or 5, the doctors start to worry. Above 7 is
reason for grave concern or panic because of the enhanced risk of
bleeding, especially in the brain. At that end of the spectrum (very
high INR), the therapy is stopping the warfarin and intravenous vitamin
K. And monitoring the INR carefully.

The way warfarin works is by inhibiting formation of vitamin K, which is
needed for a certain special kind of protein modification called gamma
carboxylation. This promotes formation of calcium bonds between several
blood clotting-promoting plasma proteins and cells. When the (gamma-
carboxylated) proteins get bound to cells, clotting goes literally
hundreds of thousands times faster than when the proteins are free-
floating in plasma without gammacarboxylation.

It takes time for warfarin to effect a new equilibrium of the degree of
gammacarboxylation (a day or two) because the vitamin K present takes
time to be used up. Vitamin K is also in the diet (broccoli and
generally green leafy vegetables are relatively rich in it). So it is
very important that someone on warfarin therapy keeps to a constant
intake of dietary vitamin K. And that isn't so easy ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:17268281-38df-416f-8b5e-
[email protected]:

> I mean WHO wants their proteins free-floating in plasma without
> gammacarboxylation. Seriously.. I ask you!
>

LOL!!!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in news:-LOdnQyxD_
[email protected]:

> OH:
>
> I thought the Wikipedia article informative:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey

Yes, indeed.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy wrote the following:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>

So sorry, Robatoy. At least he went quick and peacefully.
It's the way I want to go.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On May 22, 12:27=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> > age 90.
> > One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> > situations and places.
>
> > While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> > few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> > so typical.
>
> > We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> > first. He did.
>
> > Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>
> I know what you're going through. Lost my mother on Easter. She too didn'=
t
> let anyone know of her condition. I had to hear it from a friend 48 hours
> before her death. I was pissed since I had talked to her 3 weeks before. =
She
> hid the fact that she was terminal, I was told she didn't want to be a
> burden on anyone.

Sorry to hear about that.
My dad was more like that too. Mom, however, will demand care and
attention...I'm not sure which is better.

On May 21, 7:28=A0pm, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> When those, close to me or whom I have come to know, have such a loss,
> I, in my own quiet way, am often transfixed with their loss, their
> descriptions of their loved one and what that person meant to them. =A0I
> try to learn, through their words, what, exactly, it is they have lost
> and I, somehow, try to feel it for myself. =A0I lost my dad when I was
> nine. =A0It is times as these that I wish I had such memories as yours.
> There is a portrait of my dad that commands a wall, all for himself,
> in my old shop. =A0I have often wished he could see me now. =A0I think he
> would be proud.
>
> I give a well deserved slatute to your Dad, Rob.
>
> Sonny

Somehow, we all want our dads to be proud of us.
As my accountant, there were the odd years that he was <G>

On May 21, 11:32=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

My math was off, married for 66 years!!

Thank you all for the responses, we appreciate it very much.

On May 21, 11:32=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.

I'm very sorry to hear that. Doesn't matter when it happens, it's
never easy.

> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.

You have a lot of that as well. I'm sure the two of you had a lot of
laughs together at this crazy wonderful world. Good memories.

> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.

He probably couldn't imagine a world without your Mom, and wanted to
go ahead and make sure everything was ready for her.

> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Done.

R

On May 21, 10:32=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Sincere Condolences from us.

And thank you for placing us among those in you mind at a time like
this.

RonB

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

My most sincere condolences to you and your family.

While we do now know each other - I follow this group regularly and very much enjoy and
learn from your posts.

Making it to almost 90 is no small accomplishment - amazing all the inventions and history
your dad experienced.

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
>One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>situations and places.
>
>While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>so typical.
>
>We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>first. He did.
>
>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Will do.

Sincerely,

Doug Hortvet

On 5/21/11 11:32 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

My deepest condolences Rob.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Robatoy wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

I'm sorry to learn of your loss. None of us will live forever; my dad
only made it to 72. I'll always remember something the pastor said
around that time. He said that people live on in at least 3 ways: In our
memories, in what they built (including family), and through what they
taught others. It has been both a source of peace and understanding to
me to observe that he was right. It sounds like your mother is the one
who will most need the extra efforts from you and your other family
members who can help. I wish you all of the extra strength that you'll need.

Bill

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.


Condolences to you and your family. Sounds like your Dad had a good run and
left the world the better for his being in it.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
age 90.
One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
situations and places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So sorry for your family's loss. I too have lost a dad that I was close to,
and know how you will miss him in the days and years to come.

My dad taught me everything about mechanical things and electronics. I have
all his tools and spare parts and things. Every once in a while, I need a
widget or a tool and go look in dad's stuff. More often than not, he had
what I needed.

This is one of the times I think of him without sadness and say with a
smile, "Thanks Dad!"

-- Jim in NC

Robatoy wrote:

> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
I know what you're going through. Lost my mother on Easter. She too didn't
let anyone know of her condition. I had to hear it from a friend 48 hours
before her death. I was pissed since I had talked to her 3 weeks before. She
hid the fact that she was terminal, I was told she didn't want to be a
burden on anyone.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

On Sat, 21 May 2011 22:29:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
>> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>> age 90.
> ----------------------
> My thoughts are with you and yours.
>

Me too, Rob. Sorry for your loss. But it seems your dad had a good
run. I hope you inherited his longevity genes.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Robatoy wrote:

> On May 22, 12:27 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> > Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>> > age 90.
>> > One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>> > situations and places.
>>
>> > While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>> > few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>> > so typical.
>>
>> > We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>> > first. He did.
>>
>> > Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>>
>> I know what you're going through. Lost my mother on Easter. She too
>> didn't let anyone know of her condition. I had to hear it from a friend
>> 48 hours before her death. I was pissed since I had talked to her 3 weeks
>> before. She hid the fact that she was terminal, I was told she didn't
>> want to be a burden on anyone.
>
> Sorry to hear about that.
> My dad was more like that too. Mom, however, will demand care and
> attention...I'm not sure which is better.
Thats a good point. Well it sounds like you may find out. My mother was only
78 which came as a complete shock because she was in such good health a year
ago. Well at least I thought she was!
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Didn't wake up this morning. ....

Mate. Can't imagine how you must feel. Hoping you find courage in your
grief.

Tim W

"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
>>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>
> My condolences as well.
>
> I've been considering adopting an aged homeless dog lately. Maybe
> this is the impetus I need.
>
> -Zz

Z:

That's the best commemorative idea yet. Having toured the
shelters relentlessly and successfully after my dog snapped
a chain on 7-4, the guarantee is you can find any breed you
want. Bigger and older black dogs of all kinds have the
worst luck in shelter adoptions.

There are a number of private German Shepherd rescue locations
in your area and a fine Doberman rescue in Fillmore, if
those breeds are of appeal. Most--if not all--have websites
with pictures and animal histories.They would be
happy to help.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 5/21/2011 10:32 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>
> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

Sorry to hear about the news. Probably not totally unexpected given his
age however that does not make it much easier to take. Sounds like they
way I would choose to go if I had a choice.

"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:98f3bf6c-cfe0-466f-bb77-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>> age 90.
>> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>> situations and places.
>>
>> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>> so typical.
>>
>> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>> first. He did.
>>
>> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.
>
> Mijn condoleances, ook via deze weg. Stand by Ma, she'll need it. Glad
> Dad's passing was peaceful. Do they live close by? I know that it'll
> likely take much longer than you would have thought before you have get
> used to it, but I hope that you and Ma will be at peace soon.
>
> --
> Groeten,
> Han
> email address is invalid

R:

It comes to all of us. Quite apparently, your friend
left something good behind. That tells accomplishment.
I commiserate. My sympathies to the wife and family.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
>One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>situations and places.
>
>While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>so typical.
>
>We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>first. He did.

Dads are hard to lose, I know. Condolences on your loss, Toy.
Remember the good times.

--
The great thing about getting older is that
you don't lose all the other ages you've been.
-- Madeleine L'Engle

On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
snip

Only just saw this, my thoughts are with you and your family.

Rgds,
Phil

On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
>One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>situations and places.
>
>While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>so typical.
>
>We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>first. He did.
>
>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.


My condolences to you and your family.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

On Sat, 21 May 2011 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
>age 90.
>One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
>situations and places.
>
>While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
>few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
>so typical.
>
>We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
>first. He did.
>
>Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.

You have my sincerest condolences.

On 22 May 2011 19:37:28 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On May 22, 11:54 am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:337a195f-cee9-487e-a285-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On May 22, 9:44 am, Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>. I still have my mother but these years have
>>> >> been hard on her. She's reached 87 and I hope to keep her a while
>>> >> yet, god willing. I'm grateful for every day we still have.
>>>
>>> > That is what has us gobsmacked. Mother took a nasty turn for the
>>> > worst when her blood thinners went through the roof and started
>>> > internal bleeding. We rushed to London Emerg (an hour from here) as
>>> > the only ENT here in Sarnia happened to be away on holidays. (MUCH
>>> > deserved, the guy works his ass of and we know him well.)
>>> > The morning after we arrived in London, we were sat down and were
>>> > told to better make arrangements as mother wasn't going to make it.
>>> > So we booked a hotel and after making arrangements with friends and
>>> > notifying family we moved in and waited for 'that' phone call as we
>>> > tried to get some sleep. The next morning, we get a call, "She's
>>> > sitting up in bed putting some jam on her toast."
>>> > But she had taken a serious hit and was quite weak.
>>> > fast forward>>> We got things under control during the next couple
>>> > of weeks, and all seemed to be going better with her. A few dips,
>>> > which kept us hopping.
>>> > In the meantime, my dad got fewer visits than normal, and he seemed
>>> > just fine, steady as always, loving the Lindor chocolates we always
>>> > brought him.
>>> > Then mother faded again, getting most of our attention.... and
>>> > during which time, dad decided to sneak out the backdoor.
>>>
>>> Yes, these things happen.  It's good that you are not far from your
>>> parents.  I made too many trips back to Holland in days past ...
>>>
>>> As far as Warfarin (Coumadin) is concerned, it's a good but difficult
>>> drug.  One needs to stay on top of the INR of the bleeding time.  
>>> Luckily, there are some new machines coming out that make in-home
>>> testing more feasible.  I'd look into that if you can.
>>>
>>> For the story of the invention of Warfarin, and the role of
>>> persistent cow farmers and the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
>>> (WARF), see this site (probably many more like that, but the story is
>>> good, IMNSHO): <http://www.flounder.com/warfarin.htm>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards
>>> Han
>>> email address is invalid
>>
>> When we got to London, her INR was 7.4. A week prior, she was written
>> up in her file with an INR of 4.2. The doctor told the RN to keep
>> given her the prescribed amount. Idiot.
>
>That's malpractice (IMNSHO). Grandma (son-in-law's) once had an INR of
>8, but survived that. Took her a long time of declining health to die at
>over 95. Not pretty.

My mother had an INR of 8+ once or twice and survived, for a while. She died
at 95+, too, but had been living by herself in a senior home until the last
year, when she moved in with my brother.

I was on Warfarin for a short time (AF) but had the opposite problem. It took
forever to get my INR up to 3 so they could do the jump-start.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Didn't wake up this morning. He, short of 2 weeks, almost made it to
> age 90.
> One of the funniest people I knew, he saw so much humour in so many
> situations and places.
>
> While so much attention was focused on my failing mother in the last
> few weeks, he decided just to sneak away while we weren't looking. Oh
> so typical.
>
> We'll be missing him. Married for 62 years, he always wanted to go
> first. He did.
>

> Donations to your local animal shelters, he loved dogs.



Don't post very often, but a reader and "lurker" for 6+ years. My deepest
sympathy!

Bill Hall