Howdy Group:
I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
trouble getting a good seal with the band.
I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
Joe Yablonski
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Good idea - thanks.
Don
"Joe C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> If your collector is leaking around the band, try this. Buy a 20" bicycle
> tube, slit it lengthwise in half, keep the ring without the valve on it.
> Slip this on the metal flange before putting the bag on, then put your
> band
> clamp on. This should solve most leak problems.
>
> Joe C.
>
> "golf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Howdy Group:
>>
>> I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
>> mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
>> trouble getting a good seal with the band.
>> I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
>> collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
>> I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>>
>> What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>>
>> Joe Yablonski
>>
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"Joe C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> If your collector is leaking around the band, try this. Buy a 20" bicycle
> tube, slit it lengthwise in half, keep the ring without the valve on it.
> Slip this on the metal flange before putting the bag on, then put your
> band
> clamp on. This should solve most leak problems.
Thanks for the info. My new dc leaks in a cuppla places where the metal
band is kinked (shipped that way).
SH
If your collector is leaking around the band, try this. Buy a 20" bicycle
tube, slit it lengthwise in half, keep the ring without the valve on it.
Slip this on the metal flange before putting the bag on, then put your band
clamp on. This should solve most leak problems.
Joe C.
"golf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Howdy Group:
>
> I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
> mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
> trouble getting a good seal with the band.
> I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
> collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
> I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>
> What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>
> Joe Yablonski
>
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Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet in
the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't think my
pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in one room and
the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2 other room that
make up my shop). My problem is that dispite all this, the suction is
still great enough to suck all the chips, no matter how large, through
the can and into the lower bag on the collector. I've added an elbow to
the inside of the can (having suspected that the layout of the inlet and
outlet created a vortex that didn't allow the chips to reach the bottom
of the can), but it has not helped.
There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I
must be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.
Art Learmonth
Dan Klima wrote:
>Hi Joe!
>Turning your single stage dust collector into a two stage dust collector
>using the garbage can lid adapter works very well in situations where you
>have a lot of chips produced (i.e. planers, jointers, etc.). It will not
>collect very fine dust - that will just go straight to the dust collector
>bag. I would install floor sweep fittings with blast gates near your lathes
>to collect their debris after you are done turning. That's what I have
>done. Your waste from the lathes will end up (for the most part) in the
>garbage can separator. The real benefit here is that you will not have to
>go through the pain of emptying your lower bag (or changing the plastic bag)
>as often on your dust collector. That's a real benefit in my book!
>Happy turning!
>- Dan Klima
>
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>>Howdy Group:
>>
>>I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
>>mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
>>trouble getting a good seal with the band.
>>I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
>>collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
>>I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>>
>>What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>>
>>Joe Yablonski
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Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet in
the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't think my
pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in one room and
the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2 other room that
make up my shop). My problem is that dispite all this, the suction is
still great enough to suck all the chips, no matter how large, through
the can and into the lower bag on the collector. I've added an elbow
to the inside of the can (having suspected that the layout of the inlet
and outlet created a vortex that didn't allow the chips to reach the
bottom of the can), but it has not helped.<br>
There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I
must be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.<br>
<br>
Art Learmonth<br>
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Turning your single stage dust collector into a two stage dust collector
using the garbage can lid adapter works very well in situations where you
have a lot of chips produced (i.e. planers, jointers, etc.). It will not
collect very fine dust - that will just go straight to the dust collector
bag. I would install floor sweep fittings with blast gates near your lathes
to collect their debris after you are done turning. That's what I have
done. Your waste from the lathes will end up (for the most part) in the
garbage can separator. The real benefit here is that you will not have to
go through the pain of emptying your lower bag (or changing the plastic bag)
as often on your dust collector. That's a real benefit in my book!
Happy turning!
- Dan Klima
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I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
trouble getting a good seal with the band.
I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
Joe Yablonski
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Art and Diane wrote:
> The lid appears to be symetrical, so I don't think that's the problem I
> also added an elbow on the inside of the inlet to try to break up the
> cyclonic action, but the results are the same.
Is this the one?
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4310
What I have is this:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=30282
The hoses come in at an angle and don't have the elbow like the woodcraft.
I would think that the last thing you want to do is break up the
cyclonic action. My guess is that the Woodcraft model doesn't create
such an efficient cyclone by virtue of the elbow, symmetric positioning
of the ports and angle at which the hoses enter.
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No. Mine is not like the current Woodcraft model. When I added the
elbow, I was trying to more or less duplicate the elbow concept the new
model uses.
Mine is more like the LV version, but instead of having an opening in
the center, it has 2 on the outer rim. If you can imagine a 2nd opening
that is the mirror image of the outer opening. In effect, it would be
easy to connect the 2 with a short piece of hose inside the can because
they point toward each other. It's like there is so much suction, the
incoming chips flow directly from the inlet into the outlet without
dropping to the bottom of the can.
Art
Derek Andrews wrote:
> Art and Diane wrote:
>
>> The lid appears to be symetrical, so I don't think that's the
>> problem I also added an elbow on the inside of the inlet to try to
>> break up the cyclonic action, but the results are the same.
>
>
> Is this the one?
> http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4310
>
> What I have is this:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=30282
> The hoses come in at an angle and don't have the elbow like the
> woodcraft.
>
> I would think that the last thing you want to do is break up the
> cyclonic action. My guess is that the Woodcraft model doesn't create
> such an efficient cyclone by virtue of the elbow, symmetric
> positioning of the ports and angle at which the hoses enter.
>
Art and Diane <[email protected]> wrote in
news:FzTDd.29445$wu4.28374@attbi_s52:
> Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
> garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
> tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet in
> the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't think my
> pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in one room
> and the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2 other room
> that make up my shop). My problem is that dispite all this, the
> suction is still great enough to suck all the chips, no matter how
> large, through the can and into the lower bag on the collector. I've
> added an elbow to the inside of the can (having suspected that the
> layout of the inlet and outlet created a vortex that didn't allow the
> chips to reach the bottom of the can), but it has not helped.
> There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I
> must be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be.
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
Taller can?
Patriarch
No, a pre-collector does not catch the fine dust. You should be able to seal
your bottom bag if you have the right band for your unit. If you have a Jet
DC use the new band that has a piece of foam inside of a cloth cover. Using
just the metal band without the foam the bag is hard to seal.
"golf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Howdy Group:
>
> I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
> mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
> trouble getting a good seal with the band.
> I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
> collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
> I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>
> What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>
> Joe Yablonski
>
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The lid appears to be symetrical, so I don't think that's the problem I
also added an elbow on the inside of the inlet to try to break up the
cyclonic action, but the results are the same.
Art
Derek Andrews wrote:
> Art and Diane wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
>> garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
>> tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet
>> in the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't
>> think my pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in
>> one room and the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2
>> other room that make up my shop). My problem is that dispite all
>> this, the suction is still great enough to suck all the chips, no
>> matter how large, through the can and into the lower bag on the
>> collector. I've added an elbow to the inside of the can (having
>> suspected that the layout of the inlet and outlet created a vortex
>> that didn't allow the chips to reach the bottom of the can), but it
>> has not helped.
>> There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I
>> must be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be.
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
> I kind of hate to ask this, but are you sure you have it hooked up the
> right way? On mine the hose from the lathe comes in on the perimeter
> of the lid. The hose to the collector comes out of the center of the
> lid. That really is the only reason I can think of for the setup not
> to work.
>
> My set up is similar to yours. The collector is in another room and
> there must be 30 feet of 4" pipe between it and the bin by the lathe.
> I have the Veritas lid from Lee Valley Tools. I don't remember the
> rating of the collector, but 1.5 hp wouldn't be far wrong.
>
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:34:48 GMT, golf <[email protected]> wrote:
>Howdy Group:
>
>I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
>mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
>trouble getting a good seal with the band.
>I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
>collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
>I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>
>What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>
>Joe Yablonski
>
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A pre-collector near the lathe will improve your dust collection. The
cyclone lid that goes on a garbage can is much easier to empty than
the DC bag, and that will at least cut down on the frustration of the
lower bag removal/attachment. For the leakage issue you might
consider some kind of self-stick insulation in the DC rim.
Joe,
My pre collector catches 95% of the dust and chips. The only particles that
make it to my dust collector bag looks like really fine dust. I think I bought
the trash can venturi lid at Woodcraft.
I use the pre collector garbage can as my floor vacuum. I don't use it for
anything else, like lathe sanding or table saw dust collection.
I recently bought one of those Jet retrofit dust collectors that updated my old
Reliant dust collector. The filter bag filters 2 micron dust particles. It is
paper pleated and has so much surface area than the old cloth bag that I
actually now get more suction flow. The new collection bag holding scheme allows
the bag to easily snap in and out. I bought the kit at Amazon.com.
Kevin Neelley
http://www.turnedwood.com
In article <[email protected]>, golf says...
>
>Howdy Group:
>
>I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
>mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
>trouble getting a good seal with the band.
>I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
>collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
>I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>
>What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>
>Joe Yablonski
>
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Hi Joe!
Turning your single stage dust collector into a two stage dust collector
using the garbage can lid adapter works very well in situations where you
have a lot of chips produced (i.e. planers, jointers, etc.). It will not
collect very fine dust - that will just go straight to the dust collector
bag. I would install floor sweep fittings with blast gates near your lathes
to collect their debris after you are done turning. That's what I have
done. Your waste from the lathes will end up (for the most part) in the
garbage can separator. The real benefit here is that you will not have to
go through the pain of emptying your lower bag (or changing the plastic bag)
as often on your dust collector. That's a real benefit in my book!
Happy turning!
- Dan Klima
"golf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Howdy Group:
>
> I've installed a 2 HP dust collector for my lathes. It collects
> mainly fine dust, which I wanted. On the lower clear bag, I'm having
> trouble getting a good seal with the band.
> I noticed the dust is really well packed in the bag. Would a pre
> collector (garbage can) remove a lot of the dust?
> I know a pre collector does catch a lot of chips.
>
> What are your suggestions for finishing my system?
>
> Joe Yablonski
>
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:08:05 +0000, Art and Diane wrote:
My
> problem is that dispite all this, the suction is still great enough to
> suck all the chips, no matter how large, through the can and into the
> lower bag on the collector. I've added an elbow to the inside of the can
> (having suspected that the layout of the inlet and outlet created a vortex
> that didn't allow the chips to reach the bottom of the can), but it has
> not helped.
I am going to concede that I do not yet own one of those fancy dust
collector thingies, much less a cyclone can en-route to it. That said, why
not insert a 1/2" mesh hardwire baffle into the collection can? As I
envision it, the baffle would just be a rolled up tube that would be
directly below the suction side tube. It should not actually seal it off
but come to within perhaps an inch of the cannister top. This would be
enough to keep the chips in the cannister until it was nearly full but
still allow chips hitting the impeller to sound the alarm that the
cannister was actually full.
Just a thought. If you put a slight taper in the baffle (wide end at the
top), I think it might even work a bit better.
Bill
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"Derek Andrews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Art and Diane wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
>> garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
>> tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet in
>> the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't think my
>> pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in one room and
>> the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2 other room that make
>> up my shop). My problem is that dispite all this, the suction is still
>> great enough to suck all the chips, no matter how large, through the can
>> and into the lower bag on the collector. I've added an elbow to the
>> inside of the can (having suspected that the layout of the inlet and
>> outlet created a vortex that didn't allow the chips to reach the bottom
>> of the can), but it has not helped.
>> There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I must
>> be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be. Any
>> suggestions would be appreciated.
I just went thru this. I needed a bigger can. My galvanized can had a
standard opening, but it was too short. I got a bigass industrial 55 gallon
garbage can, and it works better. Still some stuff gets sucked thru, but
major improvement.
Art and Diane wrote:
> Unfortunately, I haven't as good luck with the 2 stage setup. My
> garbage can lid came from Woodcraft several years ago and fits quite
> tightly on the galvanized can I got for it. The collector is a Jet in
> the 1.5 to 2 hp range as I recall (it is 220v) and I wouldn't think my
> pipe system is particularly efficient (the collector is in one room and
> the pipes branch off in many different angles into 2 other room that
> make up my shop). My problem is that dispite all this, the suction is
> still great enough to suck all the chips, no matter how large, through
> the can and into the lower bag on the collector. I've added an elbow to
> the inside of the can (having suspected that the layout of the inlet and
> outlet created a vortex that didn't allow the chips to reach the bottom
> of the can), but it has not helped.
> There are so many positive comments here about the setup, I figure I
> must be doing something wrong, but I have no clue what it might be. Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.
I kind of hate to ask this, but are you sure you have it hooked up the
right way? On mine the hose from the lathe comes in on the perimeter of
the lid. The hose to the collector comes out of the center of the lid.
That really is the only reason I can think of for the setup not to work.
My set up is similar to yours. The collector is in another room and
there must be 30 feet of 4" pipe between it and the bin by the lathe. I
have the Veritas lid from Lee Valley Tools. I don't remember the rating
of the collector, but 1.5 hp wouldn't be far wrong.
--
Derek Andrews, woodturner
http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com
Wedding Favors ~ Artisan Crafted Gifts ~ One-of-a-Kind Woodturning