Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the tables
on those who would track your cash spending habits.
It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just
about exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it
easier than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of having
you committed.
Bill
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>> Nice lathe work. Why do I care about the stores tracking my purchase
>> habits?? I have ONE of those discount card things and it is so beat up
>> it is unreadable. When I do use it the store clerk has to use the
>> generic one at the counter or borrow one from another customer, so no
>> tracking of me at any rate. If they want to track my purchase habits
>> they can use my credit cards any way. I have nothing to hide and if I
>> did I would use untraceable cash to buy those items. You need to spend
>> more time turning and less time worrying about subversion.
>>
>
> Speaking of which, you cannot get in and out of most stores with out being
> counted.
>
> And while way OT, LOL. I found a new way to get the survey takers off of
> my back in a hurry. When they approach or call, ask them how much they
> are going to pay you for the information. The answer is almost always
> NOTHING. Then ask them if they are being paid to gather this information.
> The answer is almost always YES. Then ask them why they should be paid
> and you are not going to be paid. That's then I hear a CLICK on the
> telephone.
>
I like that!!!!! Mind if I copy???
"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
> ran the tank farm told me that you bought the same "gas" no matter who you
> bought gas from, but you could only get the additives from one brand
> depending on which additives you wanted. JMTCW
That's true, because "gasoline" is basically a specific chemical compound.
But, as you noted, the difference, which can indeed effect "quality", is in
what is added, or not added, down the line.
That said, as a kid we used to burn what was called "condensate" or "drip"
(captured in 55 gal drums _at the well head_ from wells on the property) in
the farm vehicles ... this "unrefined" gasoline obviously had NO additives
whatsoever, but did the job.
AAMOF, my grandfather and uncles burned "drip" in their trucks to no ill
effect that I can recall.
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Leon wrote:
>
> Ah, "Key Cards" I have one for Spec's Liquor, Kroger, Randall's, CVS
> Pharmacy, Borders Book Store, Sam's Club, Radio Shack, Block Buster,
> Hollywood Video, and yes, Craftsman, The Tool Club, PetSmart, and that's it.
> LOL. I almost need a wallet for all these cards alone. Well worth carrying
> and using as immediate discounts ring up on the register when they are used
> at the local grocery stores. I really don't care if they remember how good
> of a customer that I am, it saves me lots of money every time I pull out the
> card.
You need to care.
As was pointed out in an earlier posting, the data collected isn't owned
by the store collecting it. To them, it's just another income stream.
They are paid for your data. So your shopping habits go into one big pot
called "Leon's Personal Profile" which tracks all of your purchases at:
Spec's Liquor (doesn't own the data)
Kroger (doesn't own the data)
Randall's (doesn't own the data)
CVS Pharmacy (doesn't own the data)
Borders Book Store (doesn't own the data)
Sam's Club (doesn't own the data)
Radio Shack (doesn't own the data)
Block Buster (doesn't own the data)
Hollywood Video (doesn't own the data)
Craftsman (doesn't own the data)
The Tool Club (doesn't own the data)
PetSmart (doesn't own the data)
So, if these stores don't own the data, who does?
In effect, the stores are running a continuous sale to you, which is
subsidized by another company willing to pay for your data. The store
gets your immediate loyalty while keeping their data processing costs
down. But, nobody would be willing to pay to collect that data unless
they could sell it for a profit. Nobody would buy that data unless they
also knew how to turn a buck off it.
That information can be used to manipulate you. That's why the people in
marketing can afford nice cars ... their mumbo-jumbo works. So the final
value comes from - tada! - your wallet.
In the end, you pay other people to use your information against you.
What I have suggested is a way to continue getting the 'discount'
without painting a target on your own chest. Even swapping out only the
national chain customer coding tags (since you'd never hold still for
having a bar code tattooed to your wrist or an RFID implanted, they just
get you to carry the bar code around in your pocket for them) is enough
to throw sand in the gears.
Lots of folks on this list fought in at least one war to maintain their
freedom. Do you think the war is over?
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WoodButcher wrote:
> I have quite a few of these cards and they save me some bucks.
> I signed up for them using a bogus name, address, etc.
> Different name every time.
> Track away. I don't care.
>
> Art
Maybe it's run differently in other parts of the country but all the
cards I've gotten were mailed to the house ... not issued in the store.
At any rate, I didn't think I'd get much traction, but I figured I'd at
least raise the issue.
Back to woodworking. I posted some bowls, candlesticks and a pen
tonight. Not that any one here is a likely customer. And I found an
acceptable public domain icon for the category.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Hasn't "two buck chuck" found it's way to your part of the world yet?
>
> Not a consumer of the grape, but the 99 cent stores are selling wine which
> I'm told is acceptable.
>
> The Merlot makes a pretty good marinade.
BUT CAN YOU DIP YOUR POPSICLE in it?????
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:57:28 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>And while way OT, LOL. I found a new way to get the survey takers off of my
>>back in a hurry. When they approach or call, ask them how much they are
>>going to pay you for the information. The answer is almost always NOTHING.
>>Then ask them if they are being paid to gather this information. The answer
>>is almost always YES. Then ask them why they should be paid and you are not
>>going to be paid. That's then I hear a CLICK on the telephone.
>
>I have an even faster, easier approach: I just hang up.
I do after getting the manager and explaining that they just spent
$500 of the companies money by calling me.
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the tables on
> those who would track your cash spending habits.
>
> It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just about
> exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
>
> You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it easier
> than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of having you
> committed.
>
> Bill
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I'm confused. What are you talking about here?
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Markem" <markem(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Try this Salmon recipe:
>
> Man, that sounds good!
>
> Definitely going to give that a try. Thanks!!
Yeah, is there anything bacon can't do?
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:43:32 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>We never had salmon as kids because it simply wasn't available, and I never
>cared that much for it until I finally learned how to cook it ... which is
>to hardly do so at all. ;)
>
>I now have it about once a week.
Try this Salmon recipe:
Salmon Wrap
Take a fillet of Salmon
Section in pieces small enough to wrap in Prosciutto slices
Wrap each salmon section in at least 2 Prosciutto slices.
Cook on a medium hi heat 2 to 3 minute a side in 2-tblspn olive oil
1-tsp butter.
Side serving suggestion
Microwave steamed asparagus or corn of the cob
French Bread and butter.
Markem
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> One of the local supermarket chains has recently introduced online
> ordering. They say if you give them your card number it will pull up a
> list of items you have purchased from that store.
>
> I've doing almost all my grocery shopping there since the store opened
> about 10 years ago. It came up with 3 items.
>
Geezus John - you need to broaden your dietary habits.
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"Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Swingman" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> I always use mine, and have for years with no apparent detrimental effect
>> to
>> either me, my privacy, or finances ... unless I'm really missing
>> something?
>
> They like to know how to target ads to users. You might get flyers in the
> mail
> that fit a profile of shoppers like you.
So getting an ad with a sale price is a bad thing? You certainly still have
the choice of following up on the ad or not. It's boils down to being
responsible for your control over impulses and purchases.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:28 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a barcode on
>it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special prices
>on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one around here.
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[snip]
The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
the road.
retirement = fixed income = any way to find tool money
John
"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a barcode on
> it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special
> prices on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one
> around here.
Ah, "Key Cards" I have one for Spec's Liquor, Kroger, Randall's, CVS
Pharmacy, Borders Book Store, Sam's Club, Radio Shack, Block Buster,
Hollywood Video, and yes, Craftsman, The Tool Club, PetSmart, and that's it.
LOL. I almost need a wallet for all these cards alone. Well worth carrying
and using as immediate discounts ring up on the register when they are used
at the local grocery stores. I really don't care if they remember how good
of a customer that I am, it saves me lots of money every time I pull out the
card.
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> What leads you to believe that the gasoline is inferior to the $0.03USD
>> more expensive gas? (Not 3%, note, but 3 cents more).
>
>
>First off my referal to gasoline that is 3% more expensice refers to Name
>Brand gasoline.
In california the price of gasoline is dependent upon neighborhood, not
vendor.
>
>Actually the better name brandstuff runs about 3% or 8 to 10 centh more than
Clearly not true in California.
>the no name brand. What leads me to believe that the cheap stuff is
>inferior? 20 years in the automotive business. While the gasoline for the
I'm sorry, but anecdotal information is not sufficient. How about some citations
from peer-reviewed publications that confirm your thesis?
[snip]
>For those that have worked in the service departments of a car dealership,
>this is not news.
Of course not. Most car manufacturers have co-marketing agreements with
the oil companies such that they'll favor one brand over another. There's
nothing there but marketing.
>
>> All the discount chains get their fuel from one of the major refineries.
>>
>> It's all the same stuff, passes through the same pipelines to get to the
>> terminals, then gets offloaded onto trucks for retail delivery.
>
>
>The trip is a little more complex. It's not "all" the same stuff.
Cite please? Note that the gasoline from the refinery is pumped via
pipelines to the distribution terminals. Both name-brand and off-brand
retailers are served from the same tank farm using product transported by
the same pipeline.
>
>Take a look here to learn a bit about the Top Tier gasolines.
>http://www.toptiergas.com/
I'm sorry, but a trade organization for the so-called top-tier
POL vendors isn't my idea of unbiased information.
>
>Oddly, back in the early 80's the local Texaco refinery was putting an
>additive in the gasoline that actually ate the galvanized plating off of the
Nothing odd about it. Everyone makes mistakes. I'm not sure how this story
has anything to do with the assertion that non-name-brand gasoline (which _is_
produced at the same refineries as the name-brand gasoline) is worse
than name-brand.
scott
"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>
> You need to care.
I know how it works, I have carried some of those cards for 10 + years.
For me, I have seen nothing br discounts come from them. I am not quite so
paranoid about these cards as perhaps you should be since you are be
photographed every time you go into almost any store.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>
>
> > I bet Lew had not even considered that. :~)
>
> If it comes from the grape, it's rot gut, IMHO.
> Now if you want to talk about single malt or good beer, that's another
> matter.
>
> Lew
I never was much up on wine either but now that I have to closely watch my
blood sugar I find that I can drink a lot more wine than beer or liquor. I
usta prefer and only drank Fosters and straight whiskey. Now it's wine and
sugar free popsicles for dippin. ;~)
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
> A question, do southern boys really eat salmon? Ain't it blasphemy to eat
> that Yankee fish? :)
We never had salmon as kids because it simply wasn't available, and I never
cared that much for it until I finally learned how to cook it ... which is
to hardly do so at all. ;)
I now have it about once a week.
> I don't dare tell my wife about the great wine six pack special. She
would
> drive all the way to Texas to take advantage of those kinds of savings.
>
> And to think that you saved $1200 on wine this past year..........., and
> never invited any of us over.
It was such a rip-off to the store that I felt kind of bad at first, but
that didn't last very long.
As each day passes I'm more and more convinced that penalizing stupidity is
about the only way to discourage it, and if you're that damn stupid to keep
repeating stupidity even after it costs you, you need to pay through the
nose!
In Texas if you advertise something at a price, you must sell it at that
price and even offer rain checks unless it is clearly stipulated that
quantities are limited. In all three cases all that was limited was the
time, as in "offer good thru mm/dd/yy".
SWMBO actually got two rain checks, each signed by a manager on duty at the
time, and they were honored after only a very brief struggle. ;)
They haven't made that mistake again for a few months now ... and believe
me, I'm watching.
It must be rampant ... I was listening to Tom Martino in the truck this
morning and damned if they weren't talking about the same thing: "corporate
retail stupidity"!
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"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the tables on
> those who would track your cash spending habits.
>
> It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just about
> exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
>
> You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it easier
> than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of having you
> committed.
>
> Bill
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Nice lathe work. Why do I care about the stores tracking my purchase
habits?? I have ONE of those discount card things and it is so beat up it
is unreadable. When I do use it the store clerk has to use the generic one
at the counter or borrow one from another customer, so no tracking of me at
any rate. If they want to track my purchase habits they can use my credit
cards any way. I have nothing to hide and if I did I would use untraceable
cash to buy those items. You need to spend more time turning and less time
worrying about subversion.
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:28 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a barcode on
>>>it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special
>>>prices
>>>on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one around
>>>here.
>>>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>> [snip]
>>
>> The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
>> gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
>> RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
>> the road.
>
>But is their gas worth more frequent maintenance requirements because the
>gasoline is probably not as good as the stuff that is 3% more expensive?
>
What leads you to believe that the gasoline is inferior to the $0.03USD
more expensive gas? (Not 3%, note, but 3 cents more).
All the discount chains get their fuel from one of the major refineries.
It's all the same stuff, passes through the same pipelines to get to the
terminals, then gets offloaded onto trucks for retail delivery.
scott
"Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Is a wine store different than a liquor store or are you referring to any
>> store that sells wine?
>
> Same thing. We have a discount liquor warehouse that may not give you
> an additional discount (as the price is lower anyway), but some of the
> wines we like are not available there. So we look elsewhere.
>
> I don't have a lot of experiece (i.e. I tried it at 4 stores), but
> with the one exception above, if you ask about a bulk discount, they
> will give you 5% to 10% when you buy 6 or more of the same.
>
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Gotcha. We have Spec's Liquor. They give a 5% discount for check or cash
+some on case lots.
J. Clarke wrote:
>> Yankee fish is like the famed bluefish from the East River,
>> which bears an amazing similarity to water soaked Charmin.
>
> East River blues taste that good do they? Improvement over the last one
> somebody put in front of me.
That may be because I'm reliably informed the East River bluefish IS water
soaked Charmin. Maybe yours was a local variety known as a Striper. They have
whitefish and brownfish as well. Hell, they even got silverfish. <G>
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
>
>> I'm sorry, but anecdotal information is not sufficient. How about some
> citations
>> from peer-reviewed publications that confirm your thesis?
>
>
>> Cite please? Note that the gasoline from the refinery is pumped via
>> pipelines to the distribution terminals. Both name-brand and off-brand
>> retailers are served from the same tank farm using product transported by
>> the same pipeline.
>
> To believe that all gas is equal in quality (not "grade") at the time of
> introduction to your tank is to be naive ...and the longer you use the
> inferior quality (not "grade"), the fewer "cites" are needed to prove that
> point.
>
> Gas that is sold at the ex Texaco station, with the old Texaco sign
> covered
> with a tarp, for 25 cents a gallon less than the price at the Shell
> station
> across the street, is more not the same gas, guaranteed ... if anyone
> really
> believes that, I 've got some swap land for sale they may be interested
> in.
>
> It's what happens down market that determines the difference. Many
> different
> additives, as well as fuel preservatives, and in differing proportions,
> are
> added by various parties at various points on the way to the gas pump.
> Couple that with the fact that gas deteroriates with storage and the
> longer
> the storage, generally the more fuel preservatives must be added to keep
> it
> useful as engine fuel, and the higher the incident of cross or water
> contamination.
>
> Lower priced gas on the market at independent, no name stations may well
> have been stored much longer, is much more likely to have fewer detergents
> and deposit control additives, making for inferior quality, may even be
> close to the end of useful life, cross contaminated with other gases
> and/or
> water and the preservative content may be reaching a point to make it
> unmarketable, even though it may at one point was "served from the same
> tank
> farm".
>
> AAMOF, after the hurricanes a couple of years ago, the government looked
> the
> other way while much of the above was done, on purpose, to keep the prices
> down.
>
> There is good gas, inferior gas, and bad gas ... one tank of the latter is
> all you ever need to prove that without the need for "peer reviewed
> publications" and "cites".
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When I worked in Haz-Mat response one of my duties was to inspect the local
gasoline terminal. LARGE tanks filled with gasoline piped in and stored by
Ashland Oil, no other company. A tank truck would come in and fill up with
gas and then go to a series of pumps almost identical to a self serve gas
pump. The driver would put the nozzel into the tank and swipe a "credit"
card through the machine at which time the pump would dispense a preset mix
and amount of additaves to the tank. The mix would depend on who it was
going to, Gulf, Shell or Mom and Pop etc. and grade of gas. The people who
ran the tank farm told me that you bought the same "gas" no matter who you
bought gas from, but you could only get the additives from one brand
depending on which additives you wanted. JMTCW
In article <[email protected]>, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>And while way OT, LOL. I found a new way to get the survey takers off of my
>back in a hurry. When they approach or call, ask them how much they are
>going to pay you for the information. The answer is almost always NOTHING.
>Then ask them if they are being paid to gather this information. The answer
>is almost always YES. Then ask them why they should be paid and you are not
>going to be paid. That's then I hear a CLICK on the telephone.
I have an even faster, easier approach: I just hang up.
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"Swingman" wrote in message
>
> For instance, last night I bought Atlantic Salmon, normally around $8+/lb,
> for $4/lb because it had been mis-tagged "Catfish", and rang up that way
> at
> the register, not to mention there was another $1.60 off "catfish" for
> cardholders.
>
That is funny. A typical example of people just going through the motions.
Both the meatcutter and the clerk did not notice (or know) the difference
between catfish and salmon. Which has got to be some kinda cultural meltdown
for a Southerner.
A question, do southern boys really eat salmon? Ain't it blasphemy to eat
that Yankee fish? :)
> Similar things happen two or three times a week at this one store. As I
> mentioned before, recently at this same store we "saved" over $400 on 36
> bottles of wine because they repeatedly, and mistakenly, included a $17
> bottle of wine in the display at the front of the store for their "Six
> pack
> wine special" for cardholders.
>
> And that was the third time they've done the EXACT same thing in the past
> year ... a "savings" to me alone of over $1200 for the three occurrences.
>
I don't dare tell my wife about the great wine six pack special. She would
drive all the way to Texas to take advantage of those kinds of savings.
And to think that you saved $1200 on wine this past year..........., and
never invited any of us over.
Where is that famous Southern Hospitality? ;)
In article <[email protected]>, simplfy markem, (sixoneeight)@hotmail wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:34:42 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, John <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
>>>gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
>>>RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
>>>the road.
>>
>>Three cents? Here in Indianapolis, the card gets you *ten* cents a gallon.
>
>After the purchase of a $100 in groceries right? Same here in Southern
>Illinois, but 3 cent per gallon discount generally.
Yep.
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> Hasn't "two buck chuck" found it's way to your part of the world yet?
Heard about it, but haven't seen/tried it.
> Not a consumer of the grape, but the 99 cent stores are selling wine
> which I'm told is acceptable.
Acceptable to who? ... no registered coonass is that declasse' as to partake
of 99 cent wine, cher!!
> The Merlot makes a pretty good marinade.
Me, I like Pinot Noir to chase a steak and mushrooms marinated in Merlot. ;)
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"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:28 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a barcode on
>>it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special
>>prices
>>on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one around
>>here.
>>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
> [snip]
>
> The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
> gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
> RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
> the road.
But is their gas worth more frequent maintenance requirements because the
gasoline is probably not as good as the stuff that is 3% more expensive?
Lee Michaels wrote:
> A question, do southern boys really eat salmon? Ain't it blasphemy to eat
> that Yankee fish? :)
Sheeeeit... that ain't yankee fish. That's Western fish, which is OK for us.
Yankee fish is like the famed bluefish from the East River, which bears an
amazing similarity to water soaked Charmin.
> Where is that famous Southern Hospitality? ;)
Welcome to my home. Now get out.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Besides, I'm starting to think that in many retail corporations these days
> the mentality is well on its way to being too damn stupid to use the
> results
> of any "tracking", not to mention that they routinely fool/screw
> themselves
> if that's the case.
No kidding and an excellent example of your observation that you run into a
lot of people that are educated way beyond their intelligence.
Typically in the past, a store or relatively small company would contract
with an outside computer company to handle all their computing needs and
inventories. As the computer became more accepted in business the tasks
were turned over to the store employees but the out side company still
controlled/provided the software and how the computer would operate. Many
of those in management positions would be clueless with what to do with all
that available data the was at their disposal. Many grocery stores are just
now starting to catch up with where the automotive industry was 20 years ago
concerning the use of the computer. It's funny to walk into a store and
realize what is going on and what you are watching is how we used to do it
in the old days.
> For instance, last night I bought Atlantic Salmon, normally around $8+/lb,
> for $4/lb because it had been mis-tagged "Catfish", and rang up that way
> at
> the register, not to mention there was another $1.60 off "catfish" for
> cardholders.
A classic case of not being procedurally organized and not having a safe
guard in place to prevent costly mistakes.
>
"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>
> Nice lathe work. Why do I care about the stores tracking my purchase
> habits?? I have ONE of those discount card things and it is so beat up it
> is unreadable. When I do use it the store clerk has to use the generic
> one at the counter or borrow one from another customer, so no tracking of
> me at any rate. If they want to track my purchase habits they can use my
> credit cards any way. I have nothing to hide and if I did I would use
> untraceable cash to buy those items. You need to spend more time turning
> and less time worrying about subversion.
>
Speaking of which, you cannot get in and out of most stores with out being
counted.
And while way OT, LOL. I found a new way to get the survey takers off of my
back in a hurry. When they approach or call, ask them how much they are
going to pay you for the information. The answer is almost always NOTHING.
Then ask them if they are being paid to gather this information. The answer
is almost always YES. Then ask them why they should be paid and you are not
going to be paid. That's then I hear a CLICK on the telephone.
In article <[email protected]>, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
>gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
>RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
>the road.
Three cents? Here in Indianapolis, the card gets you *ten* cents a gallon.
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"Leon" wrote in message
> "Lew Hodgett" < wrote in message
> > Hasn't "two buck chuck" found it's way to your part of the world yet?
> >
> > Not a consumer of the grape, but the 99 cent stores are selling wine
which
> > I'm told is acceptable.
> >
> > The Merlot makes a pretty good marinade.
>
>
> BUT CAN YOU DIP YOUR POPSICLE in it?????
Excellent point ... to not be able to do so would be a show stopper!
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In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> One of the local supermarket chains has recently introduced online
>> ordering. They say if you give them your card number it will pull up a
>> list of items you have purchased from that store.
>>
>> I've doing almost all my grocery shopping there since the store opened
>> about 10 years ago. It came up with 3 items.
>>
>
>Geezus John - you need to broaden your dietary habits.
>
Three items: pizza, beer, potato chips -- sounds like a winner to me.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Curran Copeland" wrote in message
>
>> ran the tank farm told me that you bought the same "gas" no matter who
>> you
>> bought gas from, but you could only get the additives from one brand
>> depending on which additives you wanted. JMTCW
>
> That's true, because "gasoline" is basically a specific chemical compound.
>
> But, as you noted, the difference, which can indeed effect "quality", is
> in
> what is added, or not added, down the line.
>
> That said, as a kid we used to burn what was called "condensate" or "drip"
> (captured in 55 gal drums _at the well head_ from wells on the property)
> in
> the farm vehicles ... this "unrefined" gasoline obviously had NO additives
> whatsoever, but did the job.
>
> AAMOF, my grandfather and uncles burned "drip" in their trucks to no ill
> effect that I can recall.
My dad has stories of using that drip gas in Oklahoma when he was a kid.
One included spending the nights at a well to keep an eye on it and having
to start up some of the pumps on a cold night. Pull the spark plug out and
heat it up with a lit match, screw it back in real quick and start cranking.
I have used the match trick on several occasions on some of my 2 stroke yard
tools.
In article <[email protected]>, Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hasn't "two buck chuck" found it's way to your part of the world yet?
Pah. That stuff's overpriced.
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"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> That's the problem with most of the systems that monitor any type of
> activity on a large scale, not enough man-hours to really to a good
> tracking job.
I suspect that it is not man hours theat is the problem rather a reset of
the system changing all the counts back to "Zero".
Keeping up with what a person buys is not a problem at all. Computers have
been keeping up with multiple inventories sold to hundreds of customers
automatically for many many years.
I've stopped worring about the government listening to my phone calls
> or reading my e-mails, by the time they have gone through todays back log
> of average citizens my grandkids will have grand kids. I am only talking
> about the ones that have "key words" in them not the bulk of garbage the
> average citizen puts out. Even with computers the amount of data that
> must be done by "hand" is staggering. Each "Hit" has to be checked out and
> monitered so only the ones that are really of interest get any real
> attention.
No kidding, why would the government want to single me out of 350,000,000
people and spend any time looking at me. We are being monitored by many
different entities ant any given point in time.
Do you use a telephone, satellite TV, cable TV, Tivo, the internet, credit
card, membership card, appear in public, buy tickets, ;~)
Somebody wrote:
> Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a
barcode on
> it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special
> prices
> on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one around
> here.
Herein SoCal, Kroger owns Ralphs which issues a Ralphs card, but it
makes no difference.
Those cards are all tied to your phone number.
Mine are all tied to a business phone number.
If you are paranoid, make up a phone number.
Threw the cards away a long time ago.
Works for me.
Lew
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>> BUT CAN YOU DIP YOUR POPSICLE in it?????
>
> Excellent point ... to not be able to do so would be a show stopper!
>
I bet Lew had not even considered that. :~)
"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
> I'm sorry, but anecdotal information is not sufficient. How about some
citations
> from peer-reviewed publications that confirm your thesis?
> Cite please? Note that the gasoline from the refinery is pumped via
> pipelines to the distribution terminals. Both name-brand and off-brand
> retailers are served from the same tank farm using product transported by
> the same pipeline.
To believe that all gas is equal in quality (not "grade") at the time of
introduction to your tank is to be naive ...and the longer you use the
inferior quality (not "grade"), the fewer "cites" are needed to prove that
point.
Gas that is sold at the ex Texaco station, with the old Texaco sign covered
with a tarp, for 25 cents a gallon less than the price at the Shell station
across the street, is more not the same gas, guaranteed ... if anyone really
believes that, I 've got some swap land for sale they may be interested in.
It's what happens down market that determines the difference. Many different
additives, as well as fuel preservatives, and in differing proportions, are
added by various parties at various points on the way to the gas pump.
Couple that with the fact that gas deteroriates with storage and the longer
the storage, generally the more fuel preservatives must be added to keep it
useful as engine fuel, and the higher the incident of cross or water
contamination.
Lower priced gas on the market at independent, no name stations may well
have been stored much longer, is much more likely to have fewer detergents
and deposit control additives, making for inferior quality, may even be
close to the end of useful life, cross contaminated with other gases and/or
water and the preservative content may be reaching a point to make it
unmarketable, even though it may at one point was "served from the same tank
farm".
AAMOF, after the hurricanes a couple of years ago, the government looked the
other way while much of the above was done, on purpose, to keep the prices
down.
There is good gas, inferior gas, and bad gas ... one tank of the latter is
all you ever need to prove that without the need for "peer reviewed
publications" and "cites".
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sweet sawdust wrote:
> "Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the
>> tables on those who would track your cash spending habits.
>>
>> It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just
>> about exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
>>
>> You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it
>> easier than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of
>> having you committed.
>>
>> Bill
>> --
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
> Nice lathe work. Why do I care about the stores tracking my purchase
> habits?? I have ONE of those discount card things and it is so beat
> up it is unreadable. When I do use it the store clerk has to use the
> generic one at the counter or borrow one from another customer, so no
> tracking of me at any rate. If they want to track my purchase habits
> they can use my credit cards any way. I have nothing to hide and if
> I did I would use untraceable cash to buy those items. You need to
> spend more time turning and less time worrying about subversion.
One of the local supermarket chains has recently introduced online
ordering. They say if you give them your card number it will pull up a
list of items you have purchased from that store.
I've doing almost all my grocery shopping there since the store opened
about 10 years ago. It came up with 3 items.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> A question, do southern boys really eat salmon? Ain't it blasphemy
>> to eat that Yankee fish? :)
>
>
> Sheeeeit... that ain't yankee fish. That's Western fish, which is OK
> for us.
You're thinking Pacific salmon, there's also Atlantic salmon, but
they're mostly farm bred these days.
> Yankee fish is like the famed bluefish from the East River,
> which bears an amazing similarity to water soaked Charmin.
East River blues taste that good do they? Improvement over the last one
somebody put in front of me.
>> Where is that famous Southern Hospitality? ;)
>
>
> Welcome to my home. Now get out.
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> A question, do southern boys really eat salmon? Ain't it blasphemy to eat
> that Yankee fish? :)
If you live near the gulf coast you'll eat just about anything that comes
out of the water. Even those minature Lobsters.
> I don't dare tell my wife about the great wine six pack special. She
> would drive all the way to Texas to take advantage of those kinds of
> savings.
Krogers offers a similar deal. IIRC 6 bottles gets you a 10% discount.
Some stores give out cards (sort of like a credit card) with a barcode on
it. Whenever you shop in the store you can get discounts or special prices
on items if you used the card. The "Kroger Card" is a big one around here.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the tables
>> on those who would track your cash spending habits.
>>
>> It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just
>> about exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
>>
>> You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it
>> easier than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of having you
>> committed.
>>
>> Bill
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>
>
> I'm confused. What are you talking about here?
>
"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message
> "Swingman" writes:
>
> > I always use mine, and have for years with no apparent detrimental
effect to
> > either me, my privacy, or finances ... unless I'm really missing
something?
>
> They like to know how to target ads to users. You might get flyers in the
mail
> that fit a profile of shoppers like you.
If they track what I buy at the grocery store, it's gotta bore the crap out
of them.
Besides, I'm starting to think that in many retail corporations these days
the mentality is well on its way to being too damn stupid to use the results
of any "tracking", not to mention that they routinely fool/screw themselves
if that's the case.
For instance, last night I bought Atlantic Salmon, normally around $8+/lb,
for $4/lb because it had been mis-tagged "Catfish", and rang up that way at
the register, not to mention there was another $1.60 off "catfish" for
cardholders.
I mean, if you work in the meat department and can't tell the difference
between salmon and catfish??
Similar things happen two or three times a week at this one store. As I
mentioned before, recently at this same store we "saved" over $400 on 36
bottles of wine because they repeatedly, and mistakenly, included a $17
bottle of wine in the display at the front of the store for their "Six pack
wine special" for cardholders.
And that was the third time they've done the EXACT same thing in the past
year ... a "savings" to me alone of over $1200 for the three occurrences.
At those savings, they can track away all they want ... besides,
preponderance of junk mail these days is pre-approved credit card offers and
tool catalogues from places where I've purchased online, nothing on wine, or
catfish, yet. ;)
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> sweet sawdust wrote:
>
> One of the local supermarket chains has recently introduced online
> ordering. They say if you give them your card number it will pull up a
> list of items you have purchased from that store.
>
> I've doing almost all my grocery shopping there since the store opened
> about 10 years ago. It came up with 3 items.
If they are like the ones in Houston that tried that several years back, the
company that provided that service for the grocery store was often dropped
and changed for another and the history was lost with each vendor change.
I have quite a few of these cards and they save me some bucks.
I signed up for them using a bogus name, address, etc.
Different name every time.
Track away. I don't care.
Art
"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you a privacy advocate? I have found a $2.00 way to turn the tables
> on those who would track your cash spending habits.
>
> It's in my shopping cart (Yeah, there's a buck in it for me ... just
> about exactly ONE buck.) under the category "Subversion".
>
> You can do this without paying me. But I earn the buck by making it
> easier than talking your neighbor into the exchange and out of having
> you committed.
>
> Bill
Somebody wrote:
> All the discount chains get their fuel from one of the major
refineries.
Hate to burst anybodies bubble but as long as the gasoline of a
designated grade meets the (R+M)/2 spec, it's the same stuff.
Were are dealing with a price sensitive commodity here.
BTW, try to find a test stand that can run the (R+M)/2 test.
The one I used was on it's last legs, and that was almost 50 years ago.
Lew
Swingman wrote:
> A frequent "deal" for 'cardholders' at a close by Randall's is a
"six pack"
> of my favorite $10/bottle (same price at all stores) wine for
$6/bottle ...
> enough "savings" on the transaction to buy a couple of steaks to go
along
> with same.
Hasn't "two buck chuck" found it's way to your part of the world yet?
Not a consumer of the grape, but the 99 cent stores are selling wine
which I'm told is acceptable.
The Merlot makes a pretty good marinade.
Lew
"Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Krogers offers a similar deal. IIRC 6 bottles gets you a 10% discount.
>
> Most wine stores have discounts when you buy 6 or more.
Is a wine store different than a liquor store or are you referring to any
store that sells wine?
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> What leads you to believe that the gasoline is inferior to the $0.03USD
> more expensive gas? (Not 3%, note, but 3 cents more).
First off my referal to gasoline that is 3% more expensice refers to Name
Brand gasoline.
Actually the better name brandstuff runs about 3% or 8 to 10 centh more than
the no name brand. What leads me to believe that the cheap stuff is
inferior? 20 years in the automotive business. While the gasoline for the
most part starts out from the same hole in the ground many automobile
manufacutrers are strongly suggesting that owners use a upper tier gasoline.
IIRC Shell, Exxon and Chevron sell upper tier fuel. Many places sell
gasoline and better ones sell gasoline with additives and better detergents
that help to keep the injectors and carburetors clean.
For those that have worked in the service departments of a car dealership,
this is not news.
> All the discount chains get their fuel from one of the major refineries.
>
> It's all the same stuff, passes through the same pipelines to get to the
> terminals, then gets offloaded onto trucks for retail delivery.
The trip is a little more complex. It's not "all" the same stuff.
Take a look here to learn a bit about the Top Tier gasolines.
http://www.toptiergas.com/
Oddly, back in the early 80's the local Texaco refinery was putting an
additive in the gasoline that actually ate the galvanized plating off of the
insides of the tanks. The plating flaked off and clogged tank socks, fuel
filters, needle and seats in carburetors, injector nozzles and created a
huge head ache for their customers buying Texaco gasoline. Our dealership
alone probably cleaned out and billed hundreds of owners and they were
promptly reimbursed for the repairs by Texaco. Texaco issued letters to the
customers and dealerships regarding this matter. Only Texaco gas stations
had that brief problem in the Houston area.
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In california the price of gasoline is dependent upon neighborhood, not
> vendor.
Same in Houston TX however within the neighborhood the different brand
stations from top end to bottom end will still show about a 3% price
difference. In some neighborhoods the local grocery store gas is more
expensive than Chevron is in my neighborhood. It's all relative.
>>Actually the better name brandstuff runs about 3% or 8 to 10 centh more
>>than
>
> Clearly not true in California.
>
>>the no name brand. What leads me to believe that the cheap stuff is
>>inferior? 20 years in the automotive business. While the gasoline for
>>the
>
> I'm sorry, but anecdotal information is not sufficient. How about some
> citations
> from peer-reviewed publications that confirm your thesis?
I really have no need to prove anything to you, check the link I posted and
gather that information for your self. Infact, I dare you to look up
information all by your self so that you will not claim Bias.
>>For those that have worked in the service departments of a car dealership,
>>this is not news.
>
> Of course not. Most car manufacturers have co-marketing agreements with
> the oil companies such that they'll favor one brand over another.
> There's
> nothing there but marketing.
It's all a conspiracy right. I'm sorry but you have clearly demonstrated
that you do not know enough to know that you don't know.
>>
>>
>>The trip is a little more complex. It's not "all" the same stuff.
>
> Cite please? Note that the gasoline from the refinery is pumped via
> pipelines to the distribution terminals. Both name-brand and off-brand
> retailers are served from the same tank farm using product transported by
> the same pipeline.
Ok, I give up. I provided proof, My Word and experience. You can go on
believing what you want.
>
>>
>>Take a look here to learn a bit about the Top Tier gasolines.
>>http://www.toptiergas.com/
>
> I'm sorry, but a trade organization for the so-called top-tier
> POL vendors isn't my idea of unbiased information.
>
>
>>
>>Oddly, back in the early 80's the local Texaco refinery was putting an
>>additive in the gasoline that actually ate the galvanized plating off of
>>the
>
> Nothing odd about it. Everyone makes mistakes. I'm not sure how this
> story
> has anything to do with the assertion that non-name-brand gasoline (which
> _is_
> produced at the same refineries as the name-brand gasoline) is worse
> than name-brand.
I thought I could simply lead you to the water. Texaco was the only one
having that gasoline problem, If all the gasoline is the same as you say,
all stations would have been having problems.
Nevermind, go on about your business.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:34:42 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>The Kroger card is worth carrying for the $0.03/gallon discount it
>>gives on gasoline - making it about $0.02/gallon cheaper than the
>>RaceTrac a half-mile (the opposite direction of most of my trips) down
>>the road.
>
>Three cents? Here in Indianapolis, the card gets you *ten* cents a gallon.
After the purchase of a $100 in groceries right? Same here in Southern
Illinois, but 3 cent per gallon discount generally.
Mark
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Snip
> SWMBO actually got two rain checks, each signed by a manager on duty at
> the
> time, and they were honored after only a very brief struggle. ;)
Ok, I just got a image of your wife struggling on the floor with the
manager of the store after having knocked down every can good on both sides
of isle 13. ;~)
> They haven't made that mistake again for a few months now ... and believe
> me, I'm watching.
;~) Let me know if they do.
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
> Krogers offers a similar deal. IIRC 6 bottles gets you a 10% discount.
Most wine stores have discounts when you buy 6 or more.
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> I always use mine, and have for years with no apparent detrimental effect to
> either me, my privacy, or finances ... unless I'm really missing something?
They like to know how to target ads to users. You might get flyers in the mail
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"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
> Is a wine store different than a liquor store or are you referring to any
> store that sells wine?
Same thing. We have a discount liquor warehouse that may not give you
an additional discount (as the price is lower anyway), but some of the
wines we like are not available there. So we look elsewhere.
I don't have a lot of experiece (i.e. I tried it at 4 stores), but
with the one exception above, if you ask about a bulk discount, they
will give you 5% to 10% when you buy 6 or more of the same.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
> "Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> They like to know how to target ads to users. You might get flyers in the
>> mail
>> that fit a profile of shoppers like you.
>
> So getting an ad with a sale price is a bad thing? You certainly still have
> the choice of following up on the ad or not. It's boils down to being
> responsible for your control over impulses and purchases.
While I am a privacy advocate, I'm not sure what dangers there are on
pure loyalty cards. Store-based credit cards do allow purchase
tracking of individuals, and yes they do analyze your purchase habits.
Stores like Home Depot, Lowes etc., like to be able to target offers
based on your previous purchases. But they already have your credit
information.
A big danger with any store that uses credit cards is the danger of
their database being hacked (like TJ Max). That's my biggest concern.
A pure loyalty card is a different issue. If there's no credit card
info associated with it, then they can analyze your purchase habits as
an individual (which is easy), or they can try to correlate your name
and address with other database entries (which is very very
difficult).
Think about tracking a woman's name before and after marriage, and the
many variations. Think of nicknames, juniors, etc.
It's hard to correlate data based on names and addresses.
I think it's more likely that tracking of an individual account gived
them insight of "typical" users.
For instance, I have two loyalty cards for a bookstore. I only use
one, but get e-mail to both. The account I don't use gets better
coupons.
But as I use it, it tells them which coupons I respond do. I'm much
more likely to buy a paperback book when I have a 25% coupon (w/no
minimum purchase), than if I have a %15 coupon with a minimum purchase of
$20.
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> Herein SoCal, Kroger owns Ralphs which issues a Ralphs card, but it
> makes no difference.
>
> Those cards are all tied to your phone number.
>
> Mine are all tied to a business phone number.
>
> If you are paranoid, make up a phone number.
>
> Threw the cards away a long time ago.
>
> Works for me.
I always use mine, and have for years with no apparent detrimental effect to
either me, my privacy, or finances ... unless I'm really missing something?
A frequent "deal" for 'cardholders' at a close by Randall's is a "six pack"
of my favorite $10/bottle (same price at all stores) wine for $6/bottle ...
enough "savings" on the transaction to buy a couple of steaks to go along
with same.
It's even better when they, in their corporate stupidity, mistakenly and
_repeatedly_ include a $17/bottle wine in the display for the same
"$6/bottle cardholder special"!
I think SWMBO single-handedly caused a dip in Safeway (owner of Randall's)
stock prices the last time they did that ... can you say "rainchecks"?
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> One of the local supermarket chains has recently introduced online
> ordering. They say if you give them your card number it will pull up a
> list of items you have purchased from that store.
>
> I've doing almost all my grocery shopping there since the store opened
> about 10 years ago. It came up with 3 items.
>
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> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
That's the problem with most of the systems that monitor any type of
activity on a large scale, not enough man-hours to really to a good tracking
job. I've stopped worring about the government listening to my phone calls
or reading my e-mails, by the time they have gone through todays back log of
average citizens my grandkids will have grand kids. I am only talking about
the ones that have "key words" in them not the bulk of garbage the average
citizen puts out. Even with computers the amount of data that must be done
by "hand" is staggering. Each "Hit" has to be checked out and monitered so
only the ones that are really of interest get any real attention.