Some people are really just plain stupid

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Franken is another perfect example of the pitfalls of overeducation.
>>
>
> Given that Franken is a Harvard graduate says more about Harvard than
> Harvard says about him.


Perhaps, it has been a very long understanding, I had heard this back in
the 70's, that if you got into Harvard you "would" graduate.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jan 8, 5:48 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But how fast can you stop it?
>>
>> A 10" blade (~3' in circumfrence) rotating at 3450 rpm is moving the
>> outer
>> edge at roughly 120 MPH. You ain't gonna stop anything moving that fast
>> in
>> mere milliseconds without ripping something all to shreds and perhaps
>> destroying all life on the planet.
>
> Just think... now you won't have to embarass yourself in front of your
> friends while beating the living shit out of this dead horse.
>
> http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2008/11/21/video-sawstop-inventor-puts-his-finger-in-a-sawstop
>
> No big words. Just scroll down a bit to the video.
>
> Robert

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Arent Fox
LLP"

Ahh, I found a non-deleted copy - look here:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/8228/sawstop-inventor-walks-the-walk/page

That is an impressive video!

My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It works in
limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately, it's difficult
and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on something like this.
There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a lot of (expensive) false
triggers. I'm curious to see how well this works after a few years in the
real world.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote

> RicodJour wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly
>>> half the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she
>>> responded that I didn't factor in that many of them might be
>>> concentrated in one area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>
>> Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>> question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
>> that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>>
>> R
>
> I don't think he did. I took it as the IQ of those that voted for him are
> very low. I'd sure as hell not vote for him and I have a fairly high IQ.
>
Those brainy folks from Minnesota also voted in a former wrestler, Jesse
Ventura, as governor.

[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>It'd be difficult data to collect, but I'm still wondering if the
>>disappearing blade would be effective enough to prevent most injuries.
>> Rather than damaging blade and having a one-time-use-only cartridge,
>>maybe a reloadable charge could be set and the cartridge reused.
>
> Dunno how well that would work in practice. SawStop uses the energy
> contained in the spinning blade (angular momentum) to provide the
> force that drops it below the table. I have to think that any
> mechanism that simply drops the blade, while allowing it to continue
> to spin, isn't going to react anywhere nearly as quickly as SawStop's
> -- maybe not quickly enough to do any good.
>
> Not saying it won't/can't work... just saying, mark me down as
> skeptical.

This sounds like a job for an engineer! Just how fast does gun powder
react any way? The mechanism would detect the impact, the firing pin
would release (it arms when the saw is turned on), and pow the blade is
dropped in to the cartridge.

Naturally, the forces involved would be extreme. Probably about as much
as the saw stop generates now, but with the added requirement that the
cartridge must be reusable and blade safe.

Puckdropper

RE: Subject

One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:

"Me and Charlie went to the movie."

Hint:
It's the structure not the content.

Lew

"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. No
> money to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go
> that route. On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating
> the how the saw works.
>
> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell
> you is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to
> buy new parts from them to make the saw work again."
>
> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
> from them!"
>
> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I
> figured it was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that
> the corporate plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the
> wallet afterwards.
>
> Larry C
>

You've also got to get a new blade, too. I'm curious if the SawStop
technology would be effective enough if it would fire and just drop the
blade totally in to the saw rather than jamming it in to a piece of
metal. I realize there's no possibility of a second stage, where if
contact is still being made it could then stop the blade.

I'd rather have my fingers.

Puckdropper

"Steve Turner" wrote:
>
> No it doesn't. If Charlie's wife wouldn't let him go, you wouldn't
> amend that question by asking "Would you join I for a trip to the
> movie?"

You've changed the sentence structure.

("You" is now the subject, not "I").

No cigar.

Lew

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "burtwitlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:bebc9459-476e-45ec-a0cd-8e6351e75587@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>> If you aren't carefull enough to keep your fingers out of the
>> sawbalde you shouldn't be using one!
>
> Obviousely you have not been using a saw long enough to know that that
> is a rather uninformed comment. Yeah 20 years experience says nothing
> for some people. There are many many more way to be cut by the saw
> blade than when you are cutting wood.
>
>

I was ripping a 2x4 once, doing everything I knew to do for safety and
using the tool properly, and the wood just exploded. Well, not exploded
really, but about 3/4 of the way through the rip it suddenly twisted,
broke, and generally went nuts.

The point here is that sometimes accidents happen without you doing
anything wrong. Careful has little to do with it.

Puckdropper

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:8f59917f-a69a-4d9c-9925-f2918ae744e1@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

>
> Actually, it would make surprisingly little difference in the size of
> the nick although there could be some. There is only so much work you
> can do in 5ms. IOW, there is no residual 'wind-down' during which time
> any further cutting can take place. When that blade is gone out of the
> path, it is gone. The cutting path recedes backwards and downwards at
> that speed, you'd have to catch the blade on the way down. SawStop's
> effectiveness isn't so much in the stopping of the blade as it is in
> the disappearing act.
>

Well, that's why I asked about that a few days ago. Imagine, if you
will, though the unlikely event of getting a glove or some string caught
in the blade. If your hand gets pulled in to the blade because of that,
stopping the blade is the only way to keep someone safer. (If the blade
disappears, your hand is going to slam on the cast iron top. If you get
cut and then stuck, you could conceivably die. A regular saw might do
the same thing, though.)

Obviously, both mechanisms are there for a reason, and perform different
vital functions in making the saw stop effective.

Puckdropper

"Leon" wrote
>
> That said I still would not recommend using a glove around any shop
> machinery. The glove could be pulled into a drill bit on a drill press or
> pulled in to the work on a lathe to name a few. Around a TS the loose
> parts could touch the blade and if you were not expecting that to happen
> you may be startled and react with a movement towards the blade.
>
Agreed.

Just a note about gloves. I never wear then around machinery. Or long
sleeves either. I roll them up.

I was working yesterday driving a bunch of lag screws. It was cold so I
wore gloves. Those gloves got caught in that socket wrench again and again.
If this can hapen with a hand operated socket wrench, just imagine what can
happen with a sharp, machine driven bit. Like my old shop teacher used to
say. Don't feed the machine.

I am a safety freak. I used to get laughed at a lot when younger. But I have
all my fingers, toes, eyes, etc.

Somebody wrote:
===================================
> Oh... and we got something you don't have:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjyrp6lYI2I&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4H1Nxo0O8&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98TaKJomnk
===========================
Made my day.

Thank you.

Lew

"Mike Marlow" wrote:

> Ok - I suckered and I followed all three of these links, because to
> confess, I really was not aware of Ms. Bachman.

She can't see Russia from her porch.

Lew

"Steve Turner" wrote:


> Or how about those people who think they're being "correct" by just
> replacing all such occurrences of "me" with "I"?
>
> "Would you join Charlie and I for a trip to the movie?"

That works.

Lew

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>> Well, that's why I asked about that a few days ago. Imagine, if you
>> will, though the unlikely event of getting a glove or some string
>> caught in the blade. If your hand gets pulled in to the blade
>> because of that, stopping the blade is the only way to keep someone
>> safer. (If the blade disappears, your hand is going to slam on the
>> cast iron top. If you get cut and then stuck, you could conceivably
>> die. A regular saw might do the same thing, though.)
>>
>
> Yeah, think about what your are saying here. Unless your glove is
> made out of a substance that will not cut a glove is not going to be
> pulled into a spinning blade. Wood being harder to cut than a cloth
> material or leather does not get pulled into the spinning blade, a
> glove will not either.

I had some sort of string in mind while typing the post, just added glove
as a source of the string. Chances are excellent that the glove or
string would be simply cut or snapped, but having both mechanisms ensures
safety if the unusual happens.

> This was discussed several years ago and I decided to do the
> experiment and sacrifice a leather/canvas glove. I pushed both the
> leather and cloth sections of the glove into the spinning blade. The
> blade simply cut the glove, actually left a kerf but did not in any
> way pull or change the direction of the glove.

I remember that post. The glove pulled in to saw thing might be a
specific pair of gloves (like chain saw) under specific sawing
conditions. IOW, impossible to disprove.

> That said I still would not recommend using a glove around any shop
> machinery. The glove could be pulled into a drill bit on a drill
> press or pulled in to the work on a lathe to name a few. Around a TS
> the loose parts could touch the blade and if you were not expecting
> that to happen you may be startled and react with a movement towards
> the blade.

I agree with that, definately. A glove usually reduces the "feel" of
something, so you don't get as early of warning that something's going
bad.

It'd be difficult data to collect, but I'm still wondering if the
disappearing blade would be effective enough to prevent most injuries.
Rather than damaging blade and having a one-time-use-only cartridge,
maybe a reloadable charge could be set and the cartridge reused.

Puckdropper

On Jan 8, 7:43=A0pm, "Zootal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> > > Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience th=
at
> > > stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad
> > > cut.
>
> > It uses a "proximity sensor". =A0It's not 1 sec after you touch the
> > blade. =A0It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.
>
> Which is about a half second after you loose your fingers...

<shakes head and walks away mumbling...>

In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I have not seen the video lately but will take your word for it. Still, I
> >think I would trust a blade that actually stops over one that moves out of
> >the way.
>
> Seems to me that SawStop provides the best of both worlds: it stops the
> blade,
> and uses the energy of the rotating blade to drop the trunnion so the blade
> moves out of the way too.
>
> My next TS will definitely be a SawStop. Just have to figure out how to afford
> one first...

I looked at one a few weeks ago with the granite top. Never mind
affording one, I need a shop I can fit it into. My basement shop is too
small.

In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> >news:080120101521474522%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >I have not seen the video lately but will take your word for it. Still,
> >>> >I
> >>> >think I would trust a blade that actually stops over one that moves out
> >>> >of
> >>> >the way.
> >>>
> >>> Seems to me that SawStop provides the best of both worlds: it stops the
> >>> blade,
> >>> and uses the energy of the rotating blade to drop the trunnion so the
> >>> blade
> >>> moves out of the way too.
> >>>
> >>> My next TS will definitely be a SawStop. Just have to figure out how to
> >>> afford
> >>> one first...
> >>
> >> I looked at one a few weeks ago with the granite top. Never mind
> >> affording one, I need a shop I can fit it into. My basement shop is too
> >> small.
> >
> >
> >They come with a granite top now?
>
> I could be wrong, but I thought that was the Steel City saw that had the
> granite top. I didn't think SawStop had one.

I believe my eyes. I saw it on the floor at a local retailer.

On Jan 8, 8:33=A0pm, "LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Leon wrote:
> >> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]..=
.
> >> On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> >> Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxHajjMUrSOg
>
> >> The blade is saved. =A0 The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor"=
.
>
> >> Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience
> >> that stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent
> >> bad cut.
>
> > looking at it closely, it stops the blade before your fingers get too n=
ear
> > it. unless you're pushing wood in really fast, the blade would stop bef=
ore
> > your parts would get near the blade.
>
> > it detects the difference in light reflections by using some led lights
> > and some sensors i would guess. seems that it could be fooled, and how
> > would one use a push stick with that overhead guard?
>
> And any cuts that need the guard out of the way are without the stopping
> sensor. IOW, anything other than a standard rip or cross cut. Still, if
> inexpensive enough it seems a good alternative to spending the money need=
ed
> for the full protection offered by the Saw Stop.

Considering the vast majority of cuts are rips, not bad. It would
need removing for sleds which are IMHO safer than standard cross cuts
and rips anyway.
IMHO it's a neat invention that can retrofit most saws. This type of
design (a proximity sensor around the blade) might be the way to go.
If he could somehow create the proximity sensor 'field' without using
the over-head guard, now that would be cool.

I think he's onto something here.

On Jan 7, 4:33=A0pm, "Larry C" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. =A0No mon=
ey to
> buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that route. =A0=
On
> the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how the saw
> works.
>
> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell you=
is
> that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy new par=
ts
> from them to make the saw work again."
>
> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts - fr=
om
> them!"
>
> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured i=
t
> was pointless. =A0Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporate =
plan
> is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet afterwards.
>
> Larry C

He was probably trying to offset the cost of a wiener vs the cost of
the replacement part.

On 7 Jan, 22:48, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have personally never been at risk of having my wiener injured by
> the table saw

I know a guy who got injured by a bandsaw in much that way...


(Nasty accident - band broke on a horizontal slabbing saw as he was
standing to the side of it. Left him with scars that look like seppuku
and it nearly got his femoral artery too)

"Zootal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Ahh, I found a non-deleted copy - look here:
>
> http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/8228/sawstop-inventor-walks-the-walk/page
>
> That is an impressive video!
>
> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It works
> in limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately, it's
> difficult and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on
> something like this. There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a
> lot of (expensive) false triggers. I'm curious to see how well this works
> after a few years in the real world.
>
>

Not so very new. It's been around a couple of years now. Real world. You
might want to start those google searches and see what the real world
evidence has proven to be.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Jan 8, 11:16=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/8/2010 8:15 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7, 11:26 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?
> > He's Canadian, so he cares.
>
> Some care, some don't, and, like your meddlesome and impertinent
> neighbor down the street, it pays to identify.
>
I don't know the poster, but allow me to point out that there are a
lot of Canadians who take an interest in US politics. For several
reasons. Least of which is that we have nothing on the political
horizon ourselves which would stir any kind of interest. If you take
away spineless, idiotic douchebags, there is nothing left for us to
dislike.
Add to that, the cable companies carry all the
ABCNBNCCNNESPNCNETPBSCSB stations and henceforth we're inundated
with information from south of the border. Include the news from the
Net...and many of us are probably more informed about what's going on
than your average American...at least those of us who have an
interest.
In my case, I have a lot of friends, family in the US and I'm 5
minutes away from the border so sometimes I go shopping there JUST so
I won't have to read the fucking french labels on our consumer goods.

Rusty is further away from me than you are from Massachusetts.... on
many levels. <G>

Oh... and we got something you don't have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWjyrp6lYI2I&feature=3Drelated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXo4H1Nxo0O8&feature=3Drelated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df98TaKJomnk

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:41:41 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Steve Turner" wrote:
>
>
>> Or how about those people who think they're being "correct" by just
>> replacing all such occurrences of "me" with "I"?
>>
>> "Would you join Charlie and I for a trip to the movie?"
>
>That works.

My ass. It should be "Charlie and me" there, sir. Try it from an
individual standpoint.

"Would you join Charlie for a trip to the movie?" OK

"Would you join I for a trip to the movie?" Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!

"Would you join Charlie and me for a trip to the movie?" Fixed!

Steve's sarcasm was warranted.

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On 8 Jan, 00:20, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Believe it or not, most of the people she deals with are above the average IQ.

Most of us also have more than the average number of legs, but it's
still just sophistry.

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Considering the vast majority of cuts are rips, not bad. It would
need removing for sleds which are IMHO safer than standard cross cuts
and rips anyway.
IMHO it's a neat invention that can retrofit most saws. This type of
design (a proximity sensor around the blade) might be the way to go.
If he could somehow create the proximity sensor 'field' without using
the over-head guard, now that would be cool.

I think he's onto something here.

Absolutely, more refinement and you might see the SawStop drop in price.
Competition would be a good thing.

On Jan 9, 1:18=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 11:46=A0pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Now, one would think that a champion of the little guy and
> >> the middle class would have been scrupulously careful to make sure he =
was
> >> abiding by workers' compensation requirements, wouldn't you?
>
> > Just like all republican businessmen look after their workforce(s)?
>
> > Glass houses, etc., Mark.
>
> =A0 Given that the subject was the idea that somehow Bachman is a hypocri=
te
> for legally accepting farm subsidy monies while it was implied that it wa=
s
> not hypocritical for the "champion of the common man" Franken to fail to
> cover his own workers (in violation of the law), I don't see that you hav=
e a
> point.
>
> --
>
> There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
>
> Rob Leatham

My reference was about hypocrisy. Period. Franken (who, IMO isn't even
funny) indeed did a hypocritical thing. My point was that he doesn't
have an exclusive on that. I didn't mean to imply that Bachman was/is
a hypocrite <smirk>..she's just plain bats-in-the-belfry bananas.
As far as Harvard is concerned, if you're going for a business degree,
you might as well buy one at Harvard as it seems to have some cach=E9.

Hypocrisy belongs on the Seven Deadly Sin List. Replace Gluttony... if
that's a 'Deadly' all of North America is in trouble.

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:080120101521474522%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I have not seen the video lately but will take your word for it. Still,
>> >I
>> >think I would trust a blade that actually stops over one that moves out
>> >of
>> >the way.
>>
>> Seems to me that SawStop provides the best of both worlds: it stops the
>> blade,
>> and uses the energy of the rotating blade to drop the trunnion so the
>> blade
>> moves out of the way too.
>>
>> My next TS will definitely be a SawStop. Just have to figure out how to
>> afford
>> one first...
>
> I looked at one a few weeks ago with the granite top. Never mind
> affording one, I need a shop I can fit it into. My basement shop is too
> small.


They come with a granite top now?

On Jan 8, 10:59=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 8, 7:36=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]=
ups=3D
> >..com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3D3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly=
ha=3D
> >lf
> >> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responde=
d
> >> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in =
one
> >> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> >> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
> >> >question. =3DA0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever =
else,
> >> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> >> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligence =
of =3D
> >the
> >> people that voted for him.
>
> >More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
> >Bachmann. =A0Franken, not so much.
>
> Can't comment on that -- don't know anything about Ms. Bachmann. Hard to
> imagine she's loonier than Franken, though...

Just for starters:(need more let me know)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8bT01mC9xSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2I1ix_82rTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOWV-ZWJCrY8

"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
snip

>>>
>>
>> Yeah, think about what your are saying here. Unless your glove is
>> made out of a substance that will not cut a glove is not going to be
>> pulled into a spinning blade. Wood being harder to cut than a cloth
>> material or leather does not get pulled into the spinning blade, a
>> glove will not either.
>
> I had some sort of string in mind while typing the post, just added glove
> as a source of the string. Chances are excellent that the glove or
> string would be simply cut or snapped, but having both mechanisms ensures
> safety if the unusual happens.

>
>> This was discussed several years ago and I decided to do the
>> experiment and sacrifice a leather/canvas glove. I pushed both the
>> leather and cloth sections of the glove into the spinning blade. The
>> blade simply cut the glove, actually left a kerf but did not in any
>> way pull or change the direction of the glove.
>
> I remember that post. The glove pulled in to saw thing might be a
> specific pair of gloves (like chain saw) under specific sawing
> conditions. IOW, impossible to disprove.

LOL, well just so happens that I have been cut with a chainsaw also,,,,
through the same type pair of gloves. Still have the scar on the top of my
finger. About 30 years ago a freind and I were out in the woods cutting up
fire wood. Just finished cutting a log that I had been holding up for him
to cut, the saw was idling and I dropped the log and swung my hand up. My
finger grazed the end of the bar. I felt it and looked down at the glove
and saw a gash. Pulling the glove off indicated a cut in my finger about 1
inch long

>
>> That said I still would not recommend using a glove around any shop
>> machinery. The glove could be pulled into a drill bit on a drill
>> press or pulled in to the work on a lathe to name a few. Around a TS
>> the loose parts could touch the blade and if you were not expecting
>> that to happen you may be startled and react with a movement towards
>> the blade.
>
> I agree with that, definately. A glove usually reduces the "feel" of
> something, so you don't get as early of warning that something's going
> bad.

Exactly!

>
> It'd be difficult data to collect, but I'm still wondering if the
> disappearing blade would be effective enough to prevent most injuries.
> Rather than damaging blade and having a one-time-use-only cartridge,
> maybe a reloadable charge could be set and the cartridge reused.

From experience I can tell you that replacing a premium quality blade and
cartridge is not a financial burden at all. Because there are few to no
false triggers except for a few isolated cases you can rest assured that if
the trigger is set off you have actually saved yourself thousands of dollars
and a lot if pain. Been there done that. When I first heard about this saw
about 10 years ago I was quick to inquire as to whether the saw would
trigger if the blade was still spinning after the saw was turned off. It
indeed does.
IMHO paying a couple hundred dollars to replace a cartridge and blade may
give you a bit more incentive to review what happened. If there is not some
kind of penalty you may become more careless on some one elses saw and pay
the bigger price.

On Jan 8, 1:05=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:26:41 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:
>
> >> Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor=
to
> >> pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> >> 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid c=
hew
> >> the teabag
>
> >IP Information - 70.67.34.24
> >Host name =A0 S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
> >Country =A0 =A0 Canada Canada
> >Country Code =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0CA
> >Region =A0 =A0 =A0British Columbia
> >City =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Port Alberni
> >Latitude =A0 =A049.2333
> >Longitude =A0 -124.8
>
> >... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?
>
> 'Cuz they're next, after the Middle East?
>


Oh, okay.. that means we won't have to worry for a few hundred years
or more..

On Jan 9, 12:46=A0am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:5f5578d7-1fbb-4219-b149-a0f935d5b930@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 3:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxHajjMUrSOg
>
> > The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> > Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> > stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad cu=
t.
> >It uses a "proximity sensor". =A0It's not 1 sec after you touch the
> >blade. =A0It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.
>
> You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity sen=
sor
> was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you couldn'=
t
> get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents a=
re
> over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.

One more thing, if moving "several feet/sec" into a blade, a SawStop
isn't going to help you either.

On Jan 8, 7:36=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly ha=
lf
> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
> >question. =A0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligence of =
the
> people that voted for him.

More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
Bachmann. Franken, not so much.

On 2010-01-08 21:06:05 -0500, "Zootal" <[email protected]> said:

> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It
> works in limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately,
> it's difficult and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on
> something like this. There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and
> a lot of (expensive) false triggers. I'm curious to see how well this
> works after a few years in the real world.

It worked at the local Woodcraft store. They have a classroom (which
includes a SawStop) on premises, and the spent cartridge hanging on the
wall IS NOT a factory-supplied demo.

RicodJour wrote:
> On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly
>> half the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she
>> responded that I didn't factor in that many of them might be
>> concentrated in one area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
> question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
> that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> R

I don't think he did. I took it as the IQ of those that voted for him are
very low. I'd sure as hell not vote for him and I have a fairly high IQ.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:59:57 -0800, "LDosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:75dac2ad-b542-4608-8a4e-52a642a75205@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 7, 11:26 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:
>>
>> > Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor
>> > to
>> > pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
>> > 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid
>> > chew
>> > the teabag
>>
>> IP Information - 70.67.34.24
>> Host name S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
>> Country Canada Canada
>> Country Code CA
>> Region British Columbia
>> City Port Alberni
>> Latitude 49.2333
>> Longitude -124.8
>>
>> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?
>
>Harsh.
>
>
>=========================================
> A virtual knee capping ...

Not really. Swingman pretty much declared something about himself,
more than about the person he thought he was getting up on.

We now know that Swingman has very limited knowlege of, or interest
in, the rest of the world around him. He thinks that beyond his
immediate surroundings, nothing of importance exists.

He knee capped himself.

On Jan 8, 5:48 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:

> But how fast can you stop it?
>
> A 10" blade (~3' in circumfrence) rotating at 3450 rpm is moving the outer
> edge at roughly 120 MPH. You ain't gonna stop anything moving that fast in
> mere milliseconds without ripping something all to shreds and perhaps
> destroying all life on the planet.

Just think... now you won't have to embarass yourself in front of your
friends while beating the living shit out of this dead horse.

http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2008/11/21/video-sawstop-inventor-puts-his-finger-in-a-sawstop

No big words. Just scroll down a bit to the video.

Robert

On Jan 8, 3:05=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxHajjMUrSOg
>
> The blade is saved. =A0 The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad cut.

It uses a "proximity sensor". It's not 1 sec after you touch the
blade. It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:952448b0-6daa-4ce6-b001-441101c06d05@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 9, 12:39 am, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3b540c4e-f7ed-4d91-87a4-72d79fc0b188@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Just for starters:(need more let me know)
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bT01mC9xSA
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1ix_82rTw
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWV-ZWJCrY8
>
> Ok - I suckered and I followed all three of these links, because to
> confess,
> I really was not aware of Ms. Bachman. I'm not sure what you are trying to
> state here though. There's nothing in those links that makes her seem
> irrational, or in any other way worthy of ridicule. Perhaps you meant to
> post some other links?
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]

Are you also from Minnesota?

*******************************************************************************

Damn - it must just be too early, 'cause I don't get that one either...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 1/8/2010 10:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:20:35 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> 1. Almost all women have average IQs (90-110), yielding an average of
>> 100. Theirs is not a bell curve so much as a horizontal line. 2. Men are
>> pretty evenly distributed between 50 and 150, again yielding an average
>> of 100. Men's intelligence curve is also pretty much a straight line but
>> instead of horizontal, it's diagonal.
>
> Interesting, if true. I did a Google and every reference I could find
> says it's a bell curve. Would you please cite a reference supporting the
> straight line hypothesis. I'd like to read it.

Most IQ tests indeed rank results in a Gaussian Bell Curve with a
standard deviation, depending on the test.

As with the maxim that "statistics lie and liars use statistics ..." you
can certainly massage the rankings, by grouping the results by
ethnicity, nationality, and other creative ways, ad infinitum to prove a
point/agendize.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

GarageWoodworks wrote:

>
> One more thing, if moving "several feet/sec" into a blade, a SawStop
> isn't going to help you either.

I'd take my chances with the Saw Stop over a proximity switch. A second is
a very long time even moving at a normal pace. You can easily feed a foot or
two of mateial into a blade in one second. Don't take my word, take a 3'
piece of hardboard or 1/4" plywood and time how long it takes to rip it.
Try it with a piece of 3/4" hardwood too.

On Jan 7, 11:26=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:
>
> > Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor =
to
> > pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> > 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid ch=
ew
> > the teabag
>
> IP Information - 70.67.34.24
> Host name =A0 =A0 =A0 S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
> Country =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Canada Canada
> Country Code =A0 =A0CA
> Region =A0British Columbia
> City =A0 =A0Port Alberni
> Latitude =A0 =A0 =A0 =A049.2333
> Longitude =A0 =A0 =A0 -124.8
>
> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?

Harsh.


>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Robatoy wrote:
>
> My reference was about hypocrisy. Period. Franken (who, IMO isn't even
> funny) indeed did a hypocritical thing. My point was that he doesn't
> have an exclusive on that. I didn't mean to imply that Bachman was/is
> a hypocrite <smirk>..she's just plain bats-in-the-belfry bananas.
> As far as Harvard is concerned, if you're going for a business degree,
> you might as well buy one at Harvard as it seems to have some caché.
>
> Hypocrisy belongs on the Seven Deadly Sin List. Replace Gluttony... if
> that's a 'Deadly' all of North America is in trouble.

Nonsense. Hypocrisy gets a bum rap. After all, 90% of gynecologists are men.

On Jan 9, 3:57=A0am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 9, 12:46 am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity
> > sensor
> > was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you could=
n't
> > get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents
> > are
> > over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.
>
> Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
>
> Not intentionaly.
>
> Several feet in a sec? =A0Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you
> ripping a board? =A0 When do you ever move several feet per sec at the
> TS? =A0Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?
>
> The more likely cause of someone contacting the blade would be a slip or
> kickback. This stuff =A0happens fast, to fast for a one second delay to b=
e of
> any use. In the case of brain fade, it might do some good.

If that's the speed that most TS accidents occur than we should give
sawstop grief for pushing that hotdog so slow into the blade in their
demos. I would like to see the effect of the hotdog being pushed
"several feet/sec" into the blade.
Do you think it would still only make a small nick in the dog?

On Jan 8, 9:28=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 8, 9:06=A0pm, "Zootal" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:507b8d01-3ef8-48d2-8c81-3d74a71b6c56@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com..=
.
>
> > > On Jan 8, 5:48 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> But how fast can you stop it?
>
> > >> A 10" blade (~3' in circumfrence) rotating at 3450 rpm is moving the
> > >> outer
> > >> edge at roughly 120 MPH. You ain't gonna stop anything moving that f=
ast
> > >> in
> > >> mere milliseconds without ripping something all to shreds and perhap=
s
> > >> destroying all life on the planet.
>
> > > Just think... now you won't have to embarass yourself in front of you=
r
> > > friends while beating the living shit out of this dead horse.
>
> > >http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2008/11/21/video-sawstop-inventor-puts-h.=
..
>
> > > No big words. =A0Just scroll down a bit to the video.
>
> > > Robert
>
> > "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Arent Fo=
x
> > LLP"
>
> > Ahh, I found a non-deleted copy - look here:
>
> >http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/8228/sawstop-inventor-walks-the-...
>
> > That is an impressive video!
>
> > My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It work=
s in
> > limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately, it's diffic=
ult
> > and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on something like =
this.
> > There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a lot of (expensive) =
false
> > triggers. I'm curious to see how well this works after a few years in t=
he
> > real world.
>
> I'm pretty sure the guy that invented the steering wheel air-bag
> received the same response. =A0You have to do your part to be safe and
> hope it works when you need it.

"I'm pretty sure the guy that invented the steering wheel air-bag
received the same response."

With the exception of "It works great with hot dogs." :^]

On Jan 7, 11:46=A0pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> =A0Now, one would think that a champion of the little guy and
> the middle class would have been scrupulously careful to make sure he was
> abiding by workers' compensation requirements, wouldn't you?

Just like all republican businessmen look after their workforce(s)?

Glass houses, etc., Mark.

On Jan 8, 2:24=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> "Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote innews:mu-dnS7zRc=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. =A0No
> > money to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go
> > that route. =A0On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstratin=
g
> > the how the saw works.
>
> > Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell
> > you is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to
> > buy new parts from them to make the saw work again."
>
> > I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> > He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
> > from them!"
>
> > I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I
> > figured it was pointless. =A0Apparently this guy has figured out that
> > the corporate plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the
> > wallet afterwards.
>
> > Larry C
>
> You've also got to get a new blade, too. =A0I'm curious if the SawStop
> technology would be effective enough if it would fire and just drop the
> blade totally in to the saw rather than jamming it in to a piece of
> metal. =A0I realize there's no possibility of a second stage, where if
> contact is still being made it could then stop the blade.
>
> I'd rather have my fingers.
>
> Puckdropper

Interesting new technology being developed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxHajjMUrSOg

The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".

On Jan 9, 4:29=A0am, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:57=A0am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > On Jan 9, 12:46 am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity
> > > sensor
> > > was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you cou=
ldn't
> > > get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw acciden=
ts
> > > are
> > > over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.
>
> > Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
>
> > Not intentionaly.
>
> > Several feet in a sec? =A0Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you
> > ripping a board? =A0 When do you ever move several feet per sec at the
> > TS? =A0Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?
>
> > The more likely cause of someone contacting the blade would be a slip o=
r
> > kickback. This stuff =A0happens fast, to fast for a one second delay to=
be of
> > any use. In the case of brain fade, it might do some good.
>
> If that's the speed that most TS accidents occur than we should give
> sawstop grief for pushing that hotdog so slow into the blade in their
> demos. =A0I would like to see the effect of the hotdog being pushed
> "several feet/sec" into the blade.
> Do you think it would still only make a small nick in the dog?

Actually, it would make surprisingly little difference in the size of
the nick although there could be some. There is only so much work you
can do in 5ms. IOW, there is no residual 'wind-down' during which time
any further cutting can take place. When that blade is gone out of the
path, it is gone. The cutting path recedes backwards and downwards at
that speed, you'd have to catch the blade on the way down. SawStop's
effectiveness isn't so much in the stopping of the blade as it is in
the disappearing act.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:07:58 -0800, the infamous "Rusty"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. No money
>>>to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that route.
>>>On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how the saw
>>>works.
>>>
>>> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell you
>>> is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy new
>>> parts from them to make the saw work again."
>>>
>>> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>>>
>>> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
>>> from them!"
>>>
>>> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured
>>> it was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporate
>>> plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet
>>> afterwards.
>>>
>>> Larry C
>>
>>
>> Too bad you did not think to ask him about Global Warming. LOL
>I love how the anti climate change conspiracists

Huh? ACCC? Oh, you mean _skeptics_, those of us who don't fall for
the overinflated charts and Chicken Little stories of the alarmists?
And why does a finger saver relate to Warming? OK, with fewer
fingeers, we couldn't give you alarmists 'the finger' as often. Was
that it?


>always come out in winter...it's not that hot right now!

And the AGWK alarmists always present in August, the hottest month.


>Talking 1.5 to 3.5 degrees more at the poles than at the equator. The ice
>flows are disappearing .
>But then again maybe that puddle at the end of your driveway didn't have ice
>on it like it did the same time last year.
>Do your own research ..lol

Can you read? Try some of these:

_Hard Green_
by Peter Huber

_The Skeptical Envioronmentalist_
by Bjorn Lomborg

_Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming_
by Bjorn Lomborg (His newest book)

_Shattered Consensus: The True State of Global Warming_
by Patrick J. Michaels

_Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1,500 Years_
by S. Fred Singer and Dennis Avery

_Terrestrial Energy_
by William tucker

_The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and
Environmentalism_
by Christopher Horner

_The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against
Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those
who are too fearful to do so_
by Lawrence Solomon

_Earth Report 2000_
editor Roy Spencer, famous scientific authors

_State of Fear_ (bibliography, 23 or so pages of enviro books)
by Michael Crichton

and then get back to us, 'K?

If you're still an AGWK whacko after reading a few of those books,
I'll eat my hat.

--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

On Jan 7, 4:43=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 3:33 PM, Larry C wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. =A0No
> > money to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that
> > route. On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the ho=
w
> > the saw works.
>
> > Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell
> > you is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to bu=
y
> > new parts from them to make the saw work again."
>
> > I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> > He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
> > from them!"
>
> > I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured
> > it was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporat=
e
> > plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet afterwar=
ds.
>
> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

I think you meant to write Michelle Bachman.

On Jan 9, 12:39=A0am, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3b540c4e-f7ed-4d91-87a4-72d79fc0b188@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Just for starters:(need more let me know)
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8bT01mC9xSA
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2I1ix_82rTw
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOWV-ZWJCrY8
>
> Ok - I suckered and I followed all three of these links, because to confe=
ss,
> I really was not aware of Ms. Bachman. =A0I'm not sure what you are tryin=
g to
> state here though. =A0There's nothing in those links that makes her seem
> irrational, or in any other way worthy of ridicule. =A0Perhaps you meant =
to
> post some other links?
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]

Are you also from Minnesota?

On Jan 7, 8:26=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:
>
> "Me and Charlie went to the movie."
>
> Hint:
> It's the structure not the content.

What movie did you see? ;)

R

Steve Turner wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:
>>
>> "Me and Charlie went to the movie."
>>
>> Hint:
>> It's the structure not the content.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Me went to the movie. Ugh!

My least favorite...

"Where's it at?"

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On Jan 9, 12:04=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:c42e01e1-c526-46d6-a25a-891b47b817fe@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 9, 10:37 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Stay with woodworking long enough and you will
> > come to realize that just being careful is not enough.
>
> QFT?

QFUD:
QFT is an expression of agreement and support, where the user stands
behind you and one of your statements. "Quoted For Truth"

On Jan 8, 11:54=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 8, 10:59=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]=
ups=3D
> >..com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jan 8, 7:36=3D3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> >> In article <[email protected]=
gro=3D
> >ups=3D3D
> >> >..com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3D3D3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roug=
hly=3D
> > ha=3D3D
> >> >lf
> >> >> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she respo=
nde=3D
> >d
> >> >> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated =
in =3D
> >one
> >> >> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> >> >> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't i=
n
> >> >> >question. =3D3DA0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or what=
ever =3D
> >else,
> >> >> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> >> >> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligen=
ce =3D
> >of =3D3D
> >> >the
> >> >> people that voted for him.
>
> >> >More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
> >> >Bachmann. =3DA0Franken, not so much.
>
> >> Can't comment on that -- don't know anything about Ms. Bachmann. Hard =
to
> >> imagine she's loonier than Franken, though...
>
> >Just for starters:(need more let me know)
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D8bT01mC9xSA
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D2I1ix_82rTw
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DOWV-ZWJCrY8
>
> Like I said... hard to imagine she's loonier than Franken.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiapFBzcuTsIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?=
v=3DrEj7vit4G74

Was that the best you could find? If it is, not adequate.

"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 01/08/2010 12:14 PM, Paul Franklin wrote:
>
>> IIRC, the original sawstop concept just jammed the blade; the
>> mechanism to drop it down was added a little later. I suspect these
>> are redundant mechanisms, each can do the job on its own, but both
>> together achieve the sort of reliability you would need in something
>> that's guaranteed to generate a lawsuit if it doesn't work.
>
> They're not independent mechanisms, the angular momentum of the spinning
> blade is used to drop it below the surface when it is stopped quickly.
> That's why it drops so fast.
>
> Chris

Still have not looked at the video mentioned but IIRC the belts loosen
substantially also. IMHO part of the trick to getting the blade to stop
quickly is to disconect it from the momenum of the large motor that would
also have to be stopped if the belts did not loosen.

"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I have personally never been at risk of having my wiener injured by
the table saw but I think I would be willing to a pay a little more
for the saw if it would help avoid that. I guess maybe I should be
careful, the darng thing is so long it could get all tangled up and at
risk of injury during a ripping op if I wasn't careful.


Jeeez... Really, it could get tangled up? Just how limp are you man. ;~)

On 1/7/2010 3:33 PM, Larry C wrote:
> I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. No
> money to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that
> route. On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how
> the saw works.
>
> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell
> you is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy
> new parts from them to make the saw work again."
>
> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
> from them!"
>
> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured
> it was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporate
> plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet afterwards.

I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.

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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. No money
>>to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that route.
>>On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how the saw
>>works.
>>
>> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell you
>> is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy new
>> parts from them to make the saw work again."
>>
>> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>>
>> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
>> from them!"
>>
>> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured
>> it was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporate
>> plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet
>> afterwards.
>>
>> Larry C
>
>
> Too bad you did not think to ask him about Global Warming. LOL
I love how the anti climate change conspiracists always come out in winter
...it's not that hot right now!
Talking 1.5 to 3.5 degrees more at the poles than at the equator. The ice
flows are disappearing .
But then again maybe that puddle at the end of your driveway didn't have ice
on it like it did the same time last year.
Do your own research ..lol

"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. No money
>to buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that route.
>On the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how the saw
>works.
>
> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell you
> is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy new
> parts from them to make the saw work again."
>
> I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts -
> from them!"
>
> I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured it
> was pointless. Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporate
> plan is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet afterwards.
>
> Larry C


Too bad you did not think to ask him about Global Warming. LOL

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jan 9, 3:57 am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 9, 12:46 am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity
> > sensor
> > was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you
> > couldn't
> > get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents
> > are
> > over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.
>
> Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
>
> Not intentionaly.
>
> Several feet in a sec? Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you
> ripping a board? When do you ever move several feet per sec at the
> TS? Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?
>
> The more likely cause of someone contacting the blade would be a slip or
> kickback. This stuff happens fast, to fast for a one second delay to be of
> any use. In the case of brain fade, it might do some good.

If that's the speed that most TS accidents occur than we should give
sawstop grief for pushing that hotdog so slow into the blade in their
demos. I would like to see the effect of the hotdog being pushed
"several feet/sec" into the blade.
Do you think it would still only make a small nick in the dog?


I'd expect it to make a fair gash but would not amputate anything.

"Zootal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ahh, I found a non-deleted copy - look here:
>
> http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/8228/sawstop-inventor-walks-the-walk/page
>
> That is an impressive video!
>
> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory.

No it has been around for almost 10 years now. Available to the pulic for 5
or 6 years.

>It works in limited tests. It works great with hot dogs.

Apparently it works for everyone that has purchased one.

>>Unfortunately, it's difficult and extremely dangerous to conduct
>>extensive testing on something like this.

Already done and proven.

> There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a lot of (expensive)
> false triggers.

There were a few false triggers that I have read about that were caused by a
"particular type" electronic watch.
IIRC the manufacturer took care of the repair and replacement parts, but
that was some years back.

>I'm curious to see how well this works after a few years in the real world.

No need to be curious, It is the saw of choice on most wood working DEMO's
and I see it more and more on TV and magazine web sites. TOH has been using
the contractors version this season. Most class rooms use them now.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 10:37 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Stay with woodworking long enough and you will
> come to realize that just being careful is not enough.

QFT?

Robatoy wrote:

> On Jan 7, 11:46 pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now, one would think that a champion of the little guy and
>> the middle class would have been scrupulously careful to make sure he was
>> abiding by workers' compensation requirements, wouldn't you?
>
> Just like all republican businessmen look after their workforce(s)?
>
> Glass houses, etc., Mark.

Given that the subject was the idea that somehow Bachman is a hypocrite
for legally accepting farm subsidy monies while it was implied that it was
not hypocritical for the "champion of the common man" Franken to fail to
cover his own workers (in violation of the law), I don't see that you have a
point.


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wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:11:54 -0800 (PST), the infamous RicodJour
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
>>> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>>> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>>> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>
>>Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>>question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
>>that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> Perhaps he meant for us to infer that the idiots who voted Franken
> into office are in the lower ranks of IQ.
>
> Franken is another perfect example of the pitfalls of overeducation.
>

Given that Franken is a Harvard graduate says more about Harvard than
Harvard says about him.

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Rusty wrote:

> Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the
> poor to pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm
> to almost 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.


No it's not, it's a people thing. Special interest knows no political
boundaries.

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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:33:06 -0500, Larry C wrote:

> Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell
> you is that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy
> new parts from them to make the saw work again."

Chuckle. I just tell them they can't even open the emergency room door
for that amount of money :-).

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"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity
> sensor was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you
> couldn't get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw
> accidents are over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.

You know I think if you have to replace a $100 blade and a cartridge it may
serve better to prompt you to find out what you did wrong than if the blade
simply spins down.

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 12:46 am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:5f5578d7-1fbb-4219-b149-a0f935d5b930@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 3:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHajjMUrSOg
>
> > The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> > Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> > stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad
> > cut.
> >It uses a "proximity sensor". It's not 1 sec after you touch the
> >blade. It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.
>
> You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity
> sensor
> was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you couldn't
> get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents
> are
> over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.

>One more thing, if moving "several feet/sec" into a blade, a SawStop
>isn't going to help you either.

BS

On 1/8/2010 12:12 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> Franken is another perfect example of the pitfalls of overeducation.

How about of bein "educated beyond intelligence"?


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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/7/2010 4:59 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
>>> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>>> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>>> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>>
>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>> I think you meant to write Michelle Bachman.
>
> Nope ... wouldn't know who she is if she bit me on the butt. Did she cheat
> on her taxes also?

Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor to
pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid chew
the teabag

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:090120101235501248%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> >
>> >They come with a granite top now?
>>
>> I could be wrong, but I thought that was the Steel City saw that had the
>> granite top. I didn't think SawStop had one.
>
> I believe my eyes. I saw it on the floor at a local retailer.


Do you recall the model number or which one? Visiting the Saw Stop site no
mention is made about a granite top, only cast iron.

"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>
> Well, that's why I asked about that a few days ago. Imagine, if you
> will, though the unlikely event of getting a glove or some string caught
> in the blade. If your hand gets pulled in to the blade because of that,
> stopping the blade is the only way to keep someone safer. (If the blade
> disappears, your hand is going to slam on the cast iron top. If you get
> cut and then stuck, you could conceivably die. A regular saw might do
> the same thing, though.)
>

Yeah, think about what your are saying here. Unless your glove is made out
of a substance that will not cut a glove is not going to be pulled into a
spinning blade. Wood being harder to cut than a cloth material or leather
does not get pulled into the spinning blade, a glove will not either.

This was discussed several years ago and I decided to do the experiment and
sacrifice a leather/canvas glove. I pushed both the leather and cloth
sections of the glove into the spinning blade. The blade simply cut the
glove, actually left a kerf but did not in any way pull or change the
direction of the glove.

That said I still would not recommend using a glove around any shop
machinery. The glove could be pulled into a drill bit on a drill press or
pulled in to the work on a lathe to name a few. Around a TS the loose parts
could touch the blade and if you were not expecting that to happen you may
be startled and react with a movement towards the blade.

Rusty wrote:

>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 1/7/2010 4:59 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly
>>>> half the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she
>>>> responded that I didn't factor in that many of them might be
>>>> concentrated in one area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>>>
>>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>>
>>> I think you meant to write Michelle Bachman.
>>
>> Nope ... wouldn't know who she is if she bit me on the butt. Did she
>> cheat on her taxes also?
>
> Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state,

Actually, that is not really true:
<http://wcco.com/realitycheck/al.franken.taxes.2.712757.html>
<http://newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/al-franken-taxes/2009/02/06/id/340085>
It is really unknown whether he paid the proper amount in his own state
because he hasn't released his tax returns. That also doesn't explain the
fact that, even when working in New York, and claiming to live there, he
failed to pay a $25,000 fine for failing to carry workers' compensation for
his employees. Now, one would think that a champion of the little guy and
the middle class would have been scrupulously careful to make sure he was
abiding by workers' compensation requirements, wouldn't you?


> Bachmann tell the poor to
> pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> 800,000,

Um, if you are referring to legally eligible farm subsidies, there is a
vast difference between something legally granted and failing to pay legally
required taxes or carry legally required workers comp insurance.


> it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid chew
> the teabag

Not nearly so much as the leftwing that whines and moans about the "rich"
not paying their fair share when a) they themselves are wealthy, and b)
there is nothing preventing them from paying more than they owe.


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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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. Men's intelligence curve is also pretty much a straight line
> but instead of horizontal, it's diagonal. Now very many of men
> below, say, 80 are locked up somewhere,

or in public office...

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and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 3:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHajjMUrSOg
>
> The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad cut.

It uses a "proximity sensor". It's not 1 sec after you touch the
blade. It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.

Understood but you may be moving toward the blade faster than the cautious
pace used in the video.

On 1/8/2010 5:31 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> Not really. Swingman pretty much declared something about himself,
> more than about the person he thought he was getting up on.
>
> We now know that Swingman has very limited knowlege of, or interest
> in, the rest of the world around him. He thinks that beyond his
> immediate surroundings, nothing of importance exists.

Actually, it is but a simple concept, but one obviously difficult for
someone who could exhibit the immaturity above to grasp.

Effectively judging the validity of a viewpoint or opinion most often
entails determining how much skin the proponent has in the game ... as
demonstrated in this instance, little to none.

A bit more maturity may help your understanding of that concept, so keep
trying.

> He knee capped himself.

You wished ... trust me, not something that will ever happen on your
account.

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On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:

> Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor to
> pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid chew
> the teabag

IP Information - 70.67.34.24
Host name S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
Country Canada Canada
Country Code CA
Region British Columbia
City Port Alberni
Latitude 49.2333
Longitude -124.8

... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?

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"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have not seen the video lately but will take your word for it. Still, I
>>think I would trust a blade that actually stops over one that moves out of
>>the way.
>
> Seems to me that SawStop provides the best of both worlds: it stops the
> blade,
> and uses the energy of the rotating blade to drop the trunnion so the
> blade
> moves out of the way too.
>
> My next TS will definitely be a SawStop. Just have to figure out how to
> afford
> one first...


I just mentioned this in another post here, IIRC in a video I saw some years
back, when the blade drops it is no longer tensioned against the belts. I
was always under the impression that the blade dropping was to also to
facilitate the direct disconnect from the motor so that it could be stopped
more quickly and with less thunder. The blade might just cut through the
cartridge completely if it had to stop the motor that quickly also. ;~)

If my saw wears out the SawStop will be my next also.

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:1beb93cf-299b-4d07-aab5-
[email protected]:

> On Jan 8, 11:16 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/8/2010 8:15 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> > On Jan 7, 11:26 pm, Swingman<[email protected]>  wrote:
>> >> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?
>> > He's Canadian, so he cares.
>>
>> Some care, some don't, and, like your meddlesome and impertinent
>> neighbor down the street, it pays to identify.
>>
> I don't know the poster, but allow me to point out that there are a
> lot of Canadians who take an interest in US politics. For several
> reasons. Least of which is that we have nothing on the political
> horizon ourselves which would stir any kind of interest. If you take
> away spineless, idiotic douchebags, there is nothing left for us to
> dislike.
> Add to that, the cable companies carry all the
> ABCNBNCCNNESPNCNETPBSCSB stations and henceforth we're inundated
> with information from south of the border. Include the news from the
> Net...and many of us are probably more informed about what's going on
> than your average American...at least those of us who have an
> interest.
> In my case, I have a lot of friends, family in the US and I'm 5
> minutes away from the border so sometimes I go shopping there JUST so
> I won't have to read the fucking french labels on our consumer goods.
>
> Rusty is further away from me than you are from Massachusetts.... on
> many levels. <G>
>
> Oh... and we got something you don't have:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjyrp6lYI2I&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4H1Nxo0O8&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98TaKJomnk
>
>

LMAO!!! The last one was classic!

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 3:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHajjMUrSOg
>
> The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad cut.

>It uses a "proximity sensor". It's not 1 sec after you touch the
>blade. It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.

You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity sensor
was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you couldn't
get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents are
over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:06:05 -0800, Zootal wrote:

> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It works
> in limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately, it's
> difficult and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on
> something like this. There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a
> lot of (expensive) false triggers. I'm curious to see how well this
> works after a few years in the real world.

As I mentioned here before, I worked part-time at Woodcraft for 3 years
and occasionally still do. We've sold a lot of SawStops. A student
inadvertently tested it in one of our classes - only needed a bandaid.
Several customers have also "tested" it.

A large local cabinet shop has over 20 of the saws. According to their
maintenance supervisor, he installs a new cartridge about every month.
Running a saw 8 hours a day gets boring, attention wanders, ...

So I'd contend it has been working quite well for a few years. I know we
sold some 3 years ago, but I'm not sure about 4. And the store hasn't
been open 5 years.

PS: And for those of you who remember my report about my bloody finger,
no I don't have a SawStop - not on a retirees budget. BTW, the finger is
almost healed but still tender.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:00 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:20:35 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Almost all women have average IQs (90-110), yielding an average of
>>>> 100. Theirs is not a bell curve so much as a horizontal line. 2. Men
>>>> are pretty evenly distributed between 50 and 150, again yielding an
>>>> average of 100. Men's intelligence curve is also pretty much a
>>>> straight line but instead of horizontal, it's diagonal.
>>>
>>> Interesting, if true. I did a Google and every reference I could find
>>> says it's a bell curve. Would you please cite a reference supporting
>>> the straight line hypothesis. I'd like to read it.
>>
>> "Studies consistently show greater variance in the performance of men
>> compared to that of women (i.e., men are more represented at the
>> extremes of performance), and that men and women have statistically
>> significant differences in average scores on tests of particular
>> abilities"
>>
>
> I'm still looking for the cite of an article that says IQ distribution is
> a straight line - for men or women. You answered a question I didn't ask.

I think he was making an attempt at humour...

Either that or he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about...

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
Several feet in a sec? Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you
ripping a board? When do you ever move several feet per sec at the
TS? Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?


You are only condisering the type accidents that you are warned about.
There are plenty of accidents that happen when the unexpected happens. Say
a bee comes in and lands on your hand closest to the blade..... Not likely
but I have had that happen. Stay with woodworking long enough and you will
come to realize that just being careful is not enough. If a knot explodes
and you jump. You never know.

On Jan 8, 12:36=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 8, 11:54=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> Like I said... hard to imagine she's loonier than Franken.
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DiapFBzcuTsI
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?=3Dv=3D3DrEj7vit4G74
>
> >Oy vey.
>
> Loony, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Fail.

On Jan 7, 8:44=A0pm, "Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
> and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
> concerning what they are talking about.
> The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

OK - kinda old but seems appropriate:

A self-made Texas oilman/rancher billionaire flew his private jet to
visit his son at Harvard. He was supposed to meet him at the campus
law library. Walking across the campus in blue jeans and boots, he
stopped a young preppy law student to ask for directions.

"Son, can you tell me where the law library is at?"

The young student put on a look of disgust and replied "Sir this is
Harvard. At Harvard we do not end our sentences with a preposition."

The older gentleman shrugged and said "You are absolutely right. Can
you tell me where the law library is at.....ASSHOLE!"

RonB

On Jan 7, 4:43=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.

Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.

R

On Jan 7, 11:26=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:
>
> > Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor =
to
> > pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> > 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid ch=
ew
> > the teabag
>
> IP Information - 70.67.34.24
> Host name =A0 =A0 =A0 S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
> Country =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Canada Canada
> Country Code =A0 =A0CA
> Region =A0British Columbia
> City =A0 =A0Port Alberni
> Latitude =A0 =A0 =A0 =A049.2333
> Longitude =A0 =A0 =A0 -124.8
>
> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

He's Canadian, so he cares.

If you aren't carefull enough to keep your fingers out of the sawbalde
you shouldn't be using one!

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3b540c4e-f7ed-4d91-87a4-72d79fc0b188@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...



> Just for starters:(need more let me know)

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bT01mC9xSA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1ix_82rTw
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWV-ZWJCrY8

Ok - I suckered and I followed all three of these links, because to confess,
I really was not aware of Ms. Bachman. I'm not sure what you are trying to
state here though. There's nothing in those links that makes her seem
irrational, or in any other way worthy of ridicule. Perhaps you meant to
post some other links?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Jan 9, 10:37=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> =A0Stay with woodworking long enough and you will
> come to realize that just being careful is not enough. =A0

QFT

On Jan 8, 9:06=A0pm, "Zootal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:507b8d01-3ef8-48d2-8c81-3d74a71b6c56@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 5:48 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> But how fast can you stop it?
>
> >> A 10" blade (~3' in circumfrence) rotating at 3450 rpm is moving the
> >> outer
> >> edge at roughly 120 MPH. You ain't gonna stop anything moving that fas=
t
> >> in
> >> mere milliseconds without ripping something all to shreds and perhaps
> >> destroying all life on the planet.
>
> > Just think... now you won't have to embarass yourself in front of your
> > friends while beating the living shit out of this dead horse.
>
> >http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2008/11/21/video-sawstop-inventor-puts-h...
>
> > No big words. =A0Just scroll down a bit to the video.
>
> > Robert
>
> "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Arent Fox
> LLP"
>
> Ahh, I found a non-deleted copy - look here:
>
> http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/8228/sawstop-inventor-walks-the-...
>
> That is an impressive video!
>
> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It works =
in
> limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately, it's difficul=
t
> and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing on something like th=
is.
> There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures and a lot of (expensive) fa=
lse
> triggers. I'm curious to see how well this works after a few years in the
> real world.

I'm pretty sure the guy that invented the steering wheel air-bag
received the same response. You have to do your part to be safe and
hope it works when you need it.

On 1/8/2010 8:02 AM, GarageWoodworks wrote:

> More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
> Bachmann. Franken, not so much.

Irrelevant .... electorate are sheep for the shearing.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Jan 8, 11:54=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 8, 10:59=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]=
ups=3D
> >..com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jan 8, 7:36=3D3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> >> In article <[email protected]=
gro=3D
> >ups=3D3D
> >> >..com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3D3D3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roug=
hly=3D
> > ha=3D3D
> >> >lf
> >> >> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she respo=
nde=3D
> >d
> >> >> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated =
in =3D
> >one
> >> >> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
> >> >> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't i=
n
> >> >> >question. =3D3DA0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or what=
ever =3D
> >else,
> >> >> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>
> >> >> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligen=
ce =3D
> >of =3D3D
> >> >the
> >> >> people that voted for him.
>
> >> >More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
> >> >Bachmann. =3DA0Franken, not so much.
>
> >> Can't comment on that -- don't know anything about Ms. Bachmann. Hard =
to
> >> imagine she's loonier than Franken, though...
>
> >Just for starters:(need more let me know)
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D8bT01mC9xSA
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3D2I1ix_82rTw
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DOWV-ZWJCrY8
>
> Like I said... hard to imagine she's loonier than Franken.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiapFBzcuTsIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?=
v=3DrEj7vit4G74

Oy vey.

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I could be wrong, but I thought that was the Steel City saw that had the
> granite top. I didn't think SawStop had one.

That is what I thought, Steel City and most recently IIRC Ridgid.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:59:33 -0800 (PST), the infamous GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
>> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
>I think you meant to write Michelle Bachman.

http://fwd4.me/Ae2 Six minutes into the video, she sounds OK to me.
That she was frowned upon by the Puffington Host is also a good sign.

--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

I have personally never been at risk of having my wiener injured by
the table saw but I think I would be willing to a pay a little more
for the saw if it would help avoid that. I guess maybe I should be
careful, the darng thing is so long it could get all tangled up and at
risk of injury during a ripping op if I wasn't careful.

On Jan 7, 2:18=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 4:33=A0pm, "Larry C" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am Woodcraft yesterday and I am looking at the Saw Stop saws. =A0No m=
oney to
> > buy one, but just thinking when I upgrade maybe I will go that route. =
=A0On
> > the saw there is a video playing that is demonstrating the how the saw
> > works.
>
> > Some other customer stands next to me and says: "What they don't tell y=
ou is
> > that after the saw does its thing in an emergency you need to buy new p=
arts
> > from them to make the saw work again."
>
> > I say: "But you still have your fingers"
>
> > He then says: "But your saw won't work again until you buy the parts - =
from
> > them!"
>
> > I almost replied again with "You still have your fingers" but I figured=
it
> > was pointless. =A0Apparently this guy has figured out that the corporat=
e plan
> > is to save your fingers but stick it to you in the wallet afterwards.
>
> > Larry C
>
> He was probably trying to offset the cost of a wiener vs the cost of
> the replacement part.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jan 10, 12:30 pm, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:

> I am a safety freak. I used to get laughed at a lot when younger. But I have
> all my fingers, toes, eyes, etc.

I am not as safe as I could be, but a helluva lot more safe than most
of my compatriots. I think for some of them cheating the reaper or
possible injury is all they get for excitement at middle age.

I have been in the trades for a little over 35 years. Ten fingers,
ten toes, both eyes, as well. Some of them even work to this day.
Just at differing levels than in previous years.

Robert

Zootal wrote:

> My only concern is that this is very new and works - in theory. It
> works in limited tests. It works great with hot dogs. Unfortunately,
> it's difficult and extremely dangerous to conduct extensive testing
> on something like this. There are bound to be (catastrophic) failures
> and a lot of (expensive) false triggers. I'm curious to see how well
> this works after a few years in the real world.

Wecome to the real world. It has been around a few years now and has worked.
People thought the telephone was a passing fad too.

On Jan 8, 3:36=A0pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 01/08/2010 12:14 PM, Paul Franklin wrote:
>
> > IIRC, the original sawstop concept just jammed the blade; the
> > mechanism to drop it down was added a little later. =A0I suspect these
> > are redundant mechanisms, each can do the job on its own, but both
> > together achieve the sort of reliability you would need in something
> > that's guaranteed to generate a lawsuit if it doesn't work.
>
> They're not independent mechanisms, the angular momentum of the spinning
> blade is used to drop it below the surface when it is stopped quickly.
> That's why it drops so fast.
>
> Chris

It's the good old 'catastrophe in exchange for a catastrophe' method.
Like an air bag or an ejection seat. The fun part of the SawStop is
that it stores and releases its own energy. It is very, very clever. I
had a great time chatting with the rep at the Toronto Woodworking
Machinery show a cpl of months back. It's a beautiful saw, really well
made. I'd be proud and happy to own a piece of gear like that.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:11:54 -0800 (PST), the infamous RicodJour
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Jan 7, 4:43 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
>> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
>Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
>that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.

Perhaps he meant for us to infer that the idiots who voted Franken
into office are in the lower ranks of IQ.

Franken is another perfect example of the pitfalls of overeducation.

--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

Rusty wrote:
>>
>> Too bad you did not think to ask him about Global Warming. LOL
> I love how the anti climate change conspiracists always come out in
> winter ...it's not that hot right now!
> Talking 1.5 to 3.5 degrees more at the poles than at the equator. The
> ice flows are disappearing .
> But then again maybe that puddle at the end of your driveway didn't
> have ice on it like it did the same time last year.
> Do your own research ..lol

Reduction of ice at the North Pole is good.

It may open up a year-round Northwest Passage. This, in turn, will
dramatically cut shipping costs between the Orient and Europe, facilitating
trade, creating jobs, increasing wealth, prosperity, and happiness for
everybody concerned.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:00 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:20:35 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Almost all women have average IQs (90-110), yielding an average
>>>> of 100. Theirs is not a bell curve so much as a horizontal line.
>>>> 2. Men are pretty evenly distributed between 50 and 150, again
>>>> yielding an average of 100. Men's intelligence curve is also
>>>> pretty much a straight line but instead of horizontal, it's
>>>> diagonal.
>>>
>>> Interesting, if true. I did a Google and every reference I could
>>> find says it's a bell curve. Would you please cite a reference
>>> supporting the straight line hypothesis. I'd like to read it.
>>
>> "Studies consistently show greater variance in the performance of men
>> compared to that of women (i.e., men are more represented at the
>> extremes of performance), and that men and women have statistically
>> significant differences in average scores on tests of particular
>> abilities"
>>
>
> I'm still looking for the cite of an article that says IQ
> distribution is a straight line - for men or women. You answered a
> question I didn't ask.

I just quoted it: "Studies consistently ... "

This quote means that you find more men at the extremes of intelligence (and
other endeavors) than women. I imagine men's intelligence is like an
INVERTED (I'm exaggerating, but bear with me) bell curve - a lot of dummies
and a lot of geniuses. The dummies end up in jails, the geniuses get Nobel
Prizes (some recent examples notwithstanding).

The female race has very few idiots (compared to men) and very few geniuses.

In statistical parlance, the 1st standard deviation for women is HUGE.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1beb93cf-299b-4d07-aab5-d956b5a94aee@s19g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>In my case, I have a lot of friends, family in the US and I'm 5
>minutes away from the border so sometimes I go shopping there JUST so
>I won't have to read the fucking french labels on our consumer goods.

Rather come down here and read the Spanish lables?

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:20:35 -0600, HeyBub wrote:

> 1. Almost all women have average IQs (90-110), yielding an average of
> 100. Theirs is not a bell curve so much as a horizontal line. 2. Men are
> pretty evenly distributed between 50 and 150, again yielding an average
> of 100. Men's intelligence curve is also pretty much a straight line but
> instead of horizontal, it's diagonal.

Interesting, if true. I did a Google and every reference I could find
says it's a bell curve. Would you please cite a reference supporting the
straight line hypothesis. I'd like to read it.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:39:06 -0500, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:3b540c4e-f7ed-4d91-87a4-72d79fc0b188@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Just for starters:(need more let me know)
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bT01mC9xSA
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1ix_82rTw
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWV-ZWJCrY8
>
>Ok - I suckered and I followed all three of these links, because to confess,
>I really was not aware of Ms. Bachman. I'm not sure what you are trying to
>state here though. There's nothing in those links that makes her seem
>irrational, or in any other way worthy of ridicule. Perhaps you meant to
>post some other links?

I wondered the same thing. Perhaps poor Brian is a hopeless Democrat.
They see/hear things through very different eyes & ears than the rest
of us do, and they're extremely fearful of losing power in the coming
elections, though that's a given. Hell, I'm even going to reregister
as a Republican again because, as bad as they got recently, they're
still miles ahead of the Demonrats. It purely sucks to have to vote
for the lesser of two+ evils, though, and has for some time.

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> > The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> > Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> > stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad
> > cut.
>
> It uses a "proximity sensor". It's not 1 sec after you touch the
> blade. It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.

Which is about a half second after you loose your fingers...

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RE: Subject
>
> One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:
>
> "Me and Charlie went to the movie."
>
> Hint:
> It's the structure not the content.

...to the theater?...

--
Nonny

ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

On Jan 9, 12:46=A0am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:5f5578d7-1fbb-4219-b149-a0f935d5b930@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 3:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > On Jan 8, 2:24 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting new technology being developed here:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxHajjMUrSOg
>
> > The blade is saved. The blade stops by use of a "proximity sensor".
>
> > Interesting technology but I can tell you from personal experience that
> > stopping in about 1 second is not nearly fast enought to prevent bad cu=
t.
> >It uses a "proximity sensor". =A0It's not 1 sec after you touch the
> >blade. =A0It's one second after you "are too close" to the blade.
>
> You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity sen=
sor
> was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you couldn'=
t
> get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents a=
re
> over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.

Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
Several feet in a sec? Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you
ripping a board? When do you ever move several feet per sec at the
TS? Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?

"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 7, 11:26 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 9:57 PM, Rusty wrote:
>
> > Frankin paid his taxes just to the wrong state, Bachmann tell the poor
> > to
> > pull up there bootstraps then collects welfare for her farm to almost
> > 800,000, it's a republican Hippocratic oath thing.Forget the coolaid
> > chew
> > the teabag
>
> IP Information - 70.67.34.24
> Host name S01060020ed678525.pi.shawcable.net
> Country Canada Canada
> Country Code CA
> Region British Columbia
> City Port Alberni
> Latitude 49.2333
> Longitude -124.8
>
> ... and why would YOU give a shit, eh?

Harsh.


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A virtual knee capping ...

In article <ab7778f6-b2fb-4d98-b62e-46a73085be54@s19g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 4:43=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly half
>> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>
>Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>question. If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
>that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.

He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligence of the
people that voted for him.

In article <4ac75ea4-9938-4f53-966d-c257df07d44e@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jan 8, 7:36=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]=
>..com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly ha=
>lf
>> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responded
>> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in one
>> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>
>> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>> >question. =A0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever else,
>> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>>
>> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligence of =
>the
>> people that voted for him.
>
>More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
>Bachmann. Franken, not so much.

Can't comment on that -- don't know anything about Ms. Bachmann. Hard to
imagine she's loonier than Franken, though...

On 1/7/2010 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:
>
> "Me and Charlie went to the movie."
>
> Hint:
> It's the structure not the content.
>
> Lew

Me went to the movie. Ugh!

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On 1/8/2010 10:08 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 1/7/2010 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> One of my favorites for demonstrating stupidity:
>>
>> "Me and Charlie went to the movie."
>>
>> Hint:
>> It's the structure not the content.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Me went to the movie. Ugh!

Or how about those people who think they're being "correct" by just replacing
all such occurrences of "me" with "I"?

"Would you join Charlie and I for a trip to the movie?"

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In article <[email protected]>, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>>
>> You've also got to get a new blade, too. I'm curious if the SawStop
>> technology would be effective enough if it would fire and just drop the
>> blade totally in to the saw rather than jamming it in to a piece of
>> metal. I realize there's no possibility of a second stage, where if
>> contact is still being made it could then stop the blade.
>>
>> I'd rather have my fingers.
>
>Think about that for a sec, if the blade simply fell below the surface and
>continued to spin,,,, do you think a blade that is spinning against a finger
>and moving down 1-3 inches would cut you?

No, I don't.

Remember that the lower the blade is, the farther the cutting edge is from the
front of the saw -- hence as the blade drops, it also moves away from your
fingers horizontally as well as vertically.

> I think it would be imperative
>that the blade stop spinning and perhaps not drop below the surface as an
>alternative.

I don't think I agree. Watch -- carefully -- the slow-motion video at
sawstop.com, the one titled "How it Works". Pause it at 0:20 and step forward
a frame at a time, watching as the blade contacts a finger. It appears that
only one or two teeth actually touch it before the blade begins to drop.

Note also the manufacturer's statement that the blade stops in 5 msec.
A 40-tooth blade at 3450 rpm is moving 38.33 teeth per second, or 26 msec per
tooth.

In article <3b540c4e-f7ed-4d91-87a4-72d79fc0b188@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jan 8, 10:59=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]=
>..com>, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 8, 7:36=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> >> In article <[email protected]=
>ups=3D
>> >..com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Jan 7, 4:43=3D3DA0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I kept telling my youngest daughter that, on a daily basis, roughly=
> ha=3D
>> >lf
>> >> >> the people she deals with are below average IQ ... but she responde=
>d
>> >> >> that I didn't factor in that many of them might be concentrated in =
>one
>> >> >> area ... wherever it is that Al Franken lives.
>>
>> >> >Franken went to Harvard and graduated cum laude, so his IQ isn't in
>> >> >question. =3DA0If you disagree with his politics, ethics or whatever =
>else,
>> >> >that might allow you to call him stupid, but not question his IQ.
>>
>> >> He wasn't questioning *Franken's* intelligence, just the intelligence =
>of =3D
>> >the
>> >> people that voted for him.
>>
>> >More appropriately demonstrated by the reelection on the lunatic
>> >Bachmann. =A0Franken, not so much.
>>
>> Can't comment on that -- don't know anything about Ms. Bachmann. Hard to
>> imagine she's loonier than Franken, though...
>
>Just for starters:(need more let me know)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8bT01mC9xSA
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2I1ix_82rTw
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOWV-ZWJCrY8

Like I said... hard to imagine she's loonier than Franken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iapFBzcuTsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEj7vit4G74