Floor trap door hardware???

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:01:04 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
> >in the trap door.
> >
>
>
> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
>
> I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
> a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
> but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
>
> just one example :
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
>
> Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
> through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
> It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
> John T.

Or a switchable magnet, where the switch is also the handle.

https://www.amazon.com/LISHUAI-Switchable-Welding-Magnets-Magnetic/dp/B07QBY8TS3

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 10:56:51 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused=
wrote:
> On 9/20/2019 4:17 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Conf=
used wrote:
> >> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
> >>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in close=
t is
> >>>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other =
entry
> >>>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
> >>>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
> >>>>>
>=20
> [SNIP]
>=20
> >>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
> >>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-f=
t
> >>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not to=
o
> >>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 =
lb
> >>>>> probably.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> =C2=A0 For something that size=C2=A0 &=C2=A0 seldom used=C2=A0 -=C2=
=A0 I wouldn't even bother
> >>>> with hinges,=C2=A0=C2=A0 let alone=C2=A0 springs & latches.
> >>>> =C2=A0 I'd just have it lift=C2=A0 out,=C2=A0 with a=C2=A0 recessed=
=C2=A0 handle.
> >>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John T.
> >>>
> >>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to li=
ft
> >>> out without that being something that would be too much of either tri=
p
> >>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than neede=
d.
> >>>
> >>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
> >>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the pa=
nel.
> >>>
> >>> --=20
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
> >>
> >> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_sou=
rce=3Dfroog&utm_medium=3Dcse&utm_campaign=3Dgdf&partner=3Dfroog&CAWELAID=3D=
120035490000010216&gclid=3DCjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbD=
tO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
> >>
> >> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
> >>
> >> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger proble=
ms
> >> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
> >=20
> > No trip hazard, but it is a "collector of dirt", something dpb wants to=
avoid.
> >=20
> > Think flat, just like the floor. No crevice, divot or indentation.
>=20
> If it's gonna be that big a problem, perhaps you might recommend that he=
=20
> go to Area 51 and see if he can find an anti-gravity device.
>=20
> His is in a closet for god's sake. In a previous post, I said that I=20
> installed a flush trap door in a laundry room with one of these to lift=
=20
> the door. The trap door is in an area where we kick off our shoes and=20
> boots. Nobody has ever tripped on it in the more than 40 years it's been=
=20
> in place.
>=20
> Occasionally some dirt or grit DOES get into the lift ring. There is=20
> this miracle tool called a vacuum cleaner that solves the "problem."
>=20
> Just a guess, but I suspect that the OP may have one at his home and=20
> that it would probably work in the closet as well as it does out in the=
=20
> open. ;)

If you know anything about dpb, you know that he is way smart enough to=20
know that a recessed handle is an easy solution. He didn't need our help
with that or any links to sources. Heck, in the time since he made his=20
original post he could have *made* a handle.=20

He's not looking for a simple solution, he's looking for an ingenious=20
solution. When a magnet was suggested, he said that that was something he
had considered. Do you think he considered a magnet and recessed plate
because he had never heard of a handle? =20

He is specifically asking for suggestions that don't collect dirt and
a recessed handle does not meet that requirement.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:38:07 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
> >>in the trap door.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
> >
> >I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
> >a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
> >but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
> >
> >just one example :
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
> >
> >Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
> >through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
> >It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
> > .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
> > John T.
>
> Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
> electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
> times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
> sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
> yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.

Where would he mount the bumper? ;-)

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused=
wrote:
> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
> > On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet =
is
> >>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other en=
try
> >>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
> >>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
> >>>>> Q?=C2=A0 It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle r=
elease
> >>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access=
=20
> >>>>> when
> >>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floo=
r.
> >>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be=20
> >>>>> better to
> >>>>> be flush.
> >>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose?=C2=A0 I've not found anything yet tr=
uly
> >>>>> outstanding...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Without knowing the size / weight=C2=A0 ..
> >>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=3D46566&cat=3D3,413=
05,45958&ap=3D1=20
> >>>>
> >>>> perhaps=C2=A0 gate spring(s)=C2=A0 combined with a hidden
> >>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 <magnetic ? >=C2=A0=C2=A0 latch=C2=A0 .. ?
> >>>> An attractive recessed handle=C2=A0 is another idea=C2=A0 ..
> >>>> but might be a dust collector=C2=A0 ..
> >>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=3D56237&cat=3D3,414=
27,41377=20
> >>>>
> >>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John T.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
> >>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
> >>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
> >>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
> >>> probably.
> >>>
> >>
> >> =C2=A0 For something that size=C2=A0 &=C2=A0 seldom used=C2=A0 -=C2=A0=
I wouldn't even bother
> >> with hinges,=C2=A0=C2=A0 let alone=C2=A0 springs & latches.
> >> =C2=A0 I'd just have it lift=C2=A0 out,=C2=A0 with a=C2=A0 recessed=C2=
=A0 handle.
> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John T.
> >=20
> > I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift=
=20
> > out without that being something that would be too much of either trip=
=20
> > over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
> >=20
> > A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp=20
> > might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the pane=
l.
> >=20
> > --=20
> >=20
>=20
> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>=20
> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=
=3Dfroog&utm_medium=3Dcse&utm_campaign=3Dgdf&partner=3Dfroog&CAWELAID=3D120=
035490000010216&gclid=3DCjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3=
C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>=20
> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>=20
> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems=
=20
> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)

No trip hazard, but it is a "collector of dirt", something dpb wants to avo=
id.

Think flat, just like the floor. No crevice, divot or indentation.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:40:12 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>> Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
>>>> be flush.
>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
>>>> outstanding...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing the size / weight ..
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>>> perhaps gate spring(s) combined with a hidden
>>> <magnetic ? > latch .. ?
>>> An attractive recessed handle is another idea ..
>>> but might be a dust collector ..
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>> John T.
>>
>>
>>The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>probably.
>>
>
> For something that size & seldom used - I wouldn't even bother
>with hinges, let alone springs & latches.
> I'd just have it lift out, with a recessed handle.
> John T.
>
I's put a paie of gas strut or spring struts on it and a solenoid
latch with a pushbutton switch in the closetpush the button, and while
the button is pushed step and release on the trap door and let it
open. No handle required. Might need some fancy hinges to totally hide
the opening.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>>
>>
>>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
>>in the trap door.
>>
>
>
> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
>
>I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
>a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
>but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
>
>just one example :
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
>
>Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
>through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
>It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
> John T.

Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:36:47 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
> >>>in the trap door.
> >>>
> >> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
> >>
> >>I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
> >>a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
> >>but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
> >>
> >>just one example :
> >>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
> >>
> >>Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
> >>through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
> >>It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
> >> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
> >> John T.
> > Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
> > electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
> > times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
> > sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
> > yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.
>
> I had thought a little about magnets as one alternative...can always
> counterbore to create thinner location. Was trying to figure out a
> clever mechanism that could move opposing poles in line to "pop up" the
> one end...
>
> Many of examples on the video somebody posted link to use that kind of
> lifting mechanism. This is small enough the mechanism would probably
> cover more of the opening than can spare.
>
> Dunno about where or when you've last tried to price something from a
> salvage yard but my experiences recently trying that route are they're
> more expensive than NAPA replacements and almost impossible to actually
> find what one's looking for besides.
>
> --

OK, modify this idea as required...

Plug an electromagnet into a smart plug and have it hold down a lightly
spring-loaded door. Maybe even just a piece of foam weather stripping. Just
enough so that when it releases, you can get your fingers in a rabbet, if
not under the door itself.

When you say "Alexa, door off" the smart plug will turn off and the magnet
will release the door. Pop! To close, say "Alexa, door on" and then press
the door closed to engage the magnet.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> OK, modify this idea as required...
>
> Plug an electromagnet into a smart plug and have it hold down a lightly
> spring-loaded door. Maybe even just a piece of foam weather stripping. Just
> enough so that when it releases, you can get your fingers in a rabbet, if
> not under the door itself.
>
> When you say "Alexa, door off" the smart plug will turn off and the magnet
> will release the door. Pop! To close, say "Alexa, door on" and then press
> the door closed to engage the magnet.

I like!

But instead of just releasing the latch, why not go all the way and make
the door self opening? Add some smoke and music for effect. Maybe even
have it open to a command like "Mr. Smith, I need you." (For those of
you who ever watched that short-lived Dr. Who spinoff, the Sarah Jane
Adventures.)

Puckdropper

Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]> writes:
>On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>>>> Q?  It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> be flush.
>>>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose?  I've not found anything yet truly
>>>>>> outstanding...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Without knowing the size / weight  ..
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>>>>>
>>>>> perhaps  gate spring(s)  combined with a hidden
>>>>>    <magnetic ? >   latch  .. ?
>>>>> An attractive recessed handle  is another idea  ..
>>>>> but might be a dust collector  ..
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>>>>
>>>>>      John T.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>>> probably.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>>     John T.
>>
>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>>
>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>>
>> --
>>
>
>Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>
><https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>
>or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa

Or to make it easy, and descriptive:
<https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull>

You can almost always trim off any query parameters (everything
after the first question mark symbol).

Ther are large versions of that flush ring available specifically
for trap doors.

On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>>> Q?  It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access
>>>>> when
>>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be
>>>>> better to
>>>>> be flush.
>>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose?  I've not found anything yet truly
>>>>> outstanding...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Without knowing the size / weight  ..
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>>>>
>>>> perhaps  gate spring(s)  combined with a hidden
>>>>    <magnetic ? >   latch  .. ?
>>>> An attractive recessed handle  is another idea  ..
>>>> but might be a dust collector  ..
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>>>
>>>>      John T.
>>>
>>>
>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>> probably.
>>>
>>
>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>     John T.
>
> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>
> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>
> --
>

Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.

<https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>

or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa

If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)

On 9/20/2019 4:17 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>>>

[SNIP]

>>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>>>> probably.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>>>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>>>     John T.
>>>
>>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>>> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>>>
>>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>>
>> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>>
>> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>>
>> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
>> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
>
> No trip hazard, but it is a "collector of dirt", something dpb wants to avoid.
>
> Think flat, just like the floor. No crevice, divot or indentation.

If it's gonna be that big a problem, perhaps you might recommend that he
go to Area 51 and see if he can find an anti-gravity device.

His is in a closet for god's sake. In a previous post, I said that I
installed a flush trap door in a laundry room with one of these to lift
the door. The trap door is in an area where we kick off our shoes and
boots. Nobody has ever tripped on it in the more than 40 years it's been
in place.

Occasionally some dirt or grit DOES get into the lift ring. There is
this miracle tool called a vacuum cleaner that solves the "problem."

Just a guess, but I suspect that the OP may have one at his home and
that it would probably work in the closet as well as it does out in the
open. ;)

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 1:47:57 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>
> Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
> be flush.
>
> Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
> outstanding...
>
> --

You want outstanding?

There are few pretty cool "floor doors" sprinkled in with the "wall doors"
in the first video at this link and in some of the other videos in the side
bar links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpqtq0OVcS0&list=RDXK8CfyAlIYY&index=2

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:47:57 AM UTC-7, dpb wrote:
> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
> thru a opening in the floor...

Easiest hardware-wise is to frame in an aperture, and simply drop a
flooring panel into it. Hinges for such a 'door' are unlikely to
work well (flush hinges? geting dirt dropped onto 'em?).
A minor discontinuity at a floor-panel edge is not likely
to trip anyone, because it's in a closet.

You'd want to panelize subflooring and frame, the 'door' has to be
as sturdy as the rest of a floor.

Recessed handle, or even just an oval aperture (manhole-cover style, for
a lifting tool) will suffice for opening. If the panel could be rested in
an upright position, with a latch or drop-into-slot feature to keep it
from flopping closed, that'd be a bonus.

Real hardware doors can also be store-bought, like
<http://www.cellaraccess.co.uk/Fire%20Door.html>
and all it takes is... money.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:17:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>> > On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>> >>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>> >>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>> >>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>> >>>>> Q?  It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>> >>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access
>> >>>>> when
>> >>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>> >>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be
>> >>>>> better to
>> >>>>> be flush.
>> >>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose?  I've not found anything yet truly
>> >>>>> outstanding...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    Without knowing the size / weight  ..
>> >>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> perhaps  gate spring(s)  combined with a hidden
>> >>>>    <magnetic ? >   latch  .. ?
>> >>>> An attractive recessed handle  is another idea  ..
>> >>>> but might be a dust collector  ..
>> >>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>> >>>>
>> >>>>      John T.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>> >>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>> >>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>> >>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>> >>> probably.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>> >> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>> >>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>> >>     John T.
>> >
>> > I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>> > out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>> > over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>> >
>> > A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>> > might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
>> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>>
>> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>>
>> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>>
>> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
>> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
>
>No trip hazard, but it is a "collector of dirt", something dpb wants to avoid.
>
>Think flat, just like the floor. No crevice, divot or indentation.


How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
in the trap door.

>
>
>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
>in the trap door.
>


Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >

I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..

just one example :

http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az

Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
.. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
John T.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 19:36:37 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
>>>>in the trap door.
>>>>
>>> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
>>>
>>>I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
>>>a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
>>>but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
>>>
>>>just one example :
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
>>>
>>>Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
>>>through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
>>>It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
>>> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
>>> John T.
>> Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
>> electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
>> times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
>> sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
>> yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.
>
>I had thought a little about magnets as one alternative...can always
>counterbore to create thinner location. Was trying to figure out a
>clever mechanism that could move opposing poles in line to "pop up" the
>one end...
>
>Many of examples on the video somebody posted link to use that kind of
>lifting mechanism. This is small enough the mechanism would probably
>cover more of the opening than can spare.
>
>Dunno about where or when you've last tried to price something from a
>salvage yard but my experiences recently trying that route are they're
>more expensive than NAPA replacements and almost impossible to actually
>find what one's looking for besides.

You could cut the edge at an angle leave a small gap and use a monkey
paw to lift it. That would be a kiss approach.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:50:19 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:36:47 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >>>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
> > >>>in the trap door.
> > >>>
> > >> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
> > >>
> > >>I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
> > >>a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
> > >>but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
> > >>
> > >>just one example :
> > >>
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
> > >>
> > >>Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
> > >>through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
> > >>It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
> > >> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
> > >> John T.
> > > Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
> > > electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
> > > times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
> > > sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
> > > yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.
> >
> > I had thought a little about magnets as one alternative...can always
> > counterbore to create thinner location. Was trying to figure out a
> > clever mechanism that could move opposing poles in line to "pop up" the
> > one end...
> >
> > Many of examples on the video somebody posted link to use that kind of
> > lifting mechanism. This is small enough the mechanism would probably
> > cover more of the opening than can spare.
> >
> > Dunno about where or when you've last tried to price something from a
> > salvage yard but my experiences recently trying that route are they're
> > more expensive than NAPA replacements and almost impossible to actually
> > find what one's looking for besides.
> >
> > --
>
> OK, modify this idea as required...
>
> Plug an electromagnet into a smart plug and have it hold down a lightly
> spring-loaded door. Maybe even just a piece of foam weather stripping. Just
> enough so that when it releases, you can get your fingers in a rabbet, if
> not under the door itself.
>
> When you say "Alexa, door off" the smart plug will turn off and the magnet
> will release the door. Pop! To close, say "Alexa, door on" and then press
> the door closed to engage the magnet.

P.S. If you don't have an Alexa or something similar, there are smart plugs
that run off phone apps or even a physical remote.

I use something like this for my Christmas tree and the Christmas lights in
various rooms.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CYKNDC2

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 21:58:23 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Similar problem/situation. I have a water softener brine tank in the
>crawl spaced beneath a cramped laundry room. I need "constant" access
>to fill it with salt. Framed area between the joists in order to lay a
>flush fitting "trap door" which was then covered with the same flooring
>as the rest of the room. No hinges, just a simple flush mount brass
>ring pull which swivels up easily when needed.
>
>It's right where we normally kick off off our shoes and boots so it
>collects a fair amount of gunk.
>
>When I need to remove it, I simply reach down, hook my index finger
>through the ring and lift it up.
>
>It's worked like a charm so far, but who knows how long it will last?
>It's only been in place since 1975. LOL!

I think you nailed that one ;-)

On 9/19/2019 12:47 PM, dpb wrote:
> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>
> Q?  It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor. It
> is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to be
> flush.
>
> Anybody got ideas for purpose?  I've not found anything yet truly
> outstanding...
>
> --

Similar problem/situation. I have a water softener brine tank in the
crawl spaced beneath a cramped laundry room. I need "constant" access
to fill it with salt. Framed area between the joists in order to lay a
flush fitting "trap door" which was then covered with the same flooring
as the rest of the room. No hinges, just a simple flush mount brass
ring pull which swivels up easily when needed.

It's right where we normally kick off off our shoes and boots so it
collects a fair amount of gunk.

When I need to remove it, I simply reach down, hook my index finger
through the ring and lift it up.

It's worked like a charm so far, but who knows how long it will last?
It's only been in place since 1975. LOL!

On 9/20/2019 9:35 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 11:12:26 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu,

[SNIP]

>>>>>> An attractive recessed handle  is another idea  ..
>>>>>> but might be a dust collector  ..
>>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      John T.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>>>> probably.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>>>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>>>     John T.
>>>
>>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>>> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>>>
>>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>>
>> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>>
>> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>>
>> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
>> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
> Dirt traps though - - - -
>

There have been plenty of ingenious responses to this question and even
some that would put Rube Goldberg to shame.

We're overthinking this. What could be simpler than the recessed rings.
Collect dust? Maybe a little, but this is a closet, remember?

SWMBO is sure to run a vacuum over the area once in a blue moon. If she
doesn't, what difference is a bit of dust or lint going to make? We
don't see a buildup with ours and it's right in the area where shoes and
boots get kicked off.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 11:12:26 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>>>> Q?  It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> be flush.
>>>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose?  I've not found anything yet truly
>>>>>> outstanding...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Without knowing the size / weight  ..
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>>>>>
>>>>> perhaps  gate spring(s)  combined with a hidden
>>>>>    <magnetic ? >   latch  .. ?
>>>>> An attractive recessed handle  is another idea  ..
>>>>> but might be a dust collector  ..
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>>>>
>>>>>      John T.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>>> probably.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>>     John T.
>>
>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>>
>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>>
>> --
>>
>
>Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>
><https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>
>or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>
>If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
>than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
Dirt traps though - - - -

On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>
>> Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
>> be flush.
>>
>> Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
>> outstanding...
>>
>
>
> Crawl space can be damp & hardware prone to rusting .. ?
> Without knowing the size / weight ..
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>
> perhaps gate spring(s) combined with a hidden
> <magnetic ? > latch .. ?
>
> An attractive recessed handle is another idea ..
> but might be a dust collector ..
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>
> John T.

The recessed chest handle is one idea had...

This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
probably.

Area is dry enough I don't expect much moisture trouble...

--


--

On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>> Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
>>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
>>>> be flush.
>>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
>>>> outstanding...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing the size / weight ..
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>>> perhaps gate spring(s) combined with a hidden
>>> <magnetic ? > latch .. ?
>>> An attractive recessed handle is another idea ..
>>> but might be a dust collector ..
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>>> John T.
>>
>>
>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>> probably.
>>
>
> For something that size & seldom used - I wouldn't even bother
> with hinges, let alone springs & latches.
> I'd just have it lift out, with a recessed handle.
> John T.

I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.

A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.

--

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:03:30 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>>>How about a strong magnet hang it in the closet, put a piece of steel
>>>in the trap door.
>>>
>> Ha ! great minds think alike ! < fools seldom differ >
>>
>>I was just now looking-up strong magnets - they make them to lift
>>a few hundred pounds - for salvaging stuff from rivers & lakes ..
>>but they don't seem to have any "release" mechanism ..
>>
>>just one example :
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/yy55s2az
>>
>>Not sure what thickness of flooring it would lift 10 - 20 pounds
>>through ? Easy to experiment on scrap wood pieces ..
>>It would allow the hidey-hole to remain invisible ..
>> .. to the narcs :-) but not their dogs ...
>> John T.
> Might be fancier than you want to get but lots of newer cars have
> electric powered hatch lifters. Kick your foot at it a couple of
> times and the hatch opens, kick again and it closes. The lifters and
> sensors you should be able to get for a reasonable price at a junk
> yard. The logic to put them together I don't know about.

I had thought a little about magnets as one alternative...can always
counterbore to create thinner location. Was trying to figure out a
clever mechanism that could move opposing poles in line to "pop up" the
one end...

Many of examples on the video somebody posted link to use that kind of
lifting mechanism. This is small enough the mechanism would probably
cover more of the opening than can spare.

Dunno about where or when you've last tried to price something from a
salvage yard but my experiences recently trying that route are they're
more expensive than NAPA replacements and almost impossible to actually
find what one's looking for besides.

--

On 9/21/2019 4:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 10:56:51 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 9/20/2019 4:17 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2019 9:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/2019 5:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>>>>>>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>>>>>>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>>>>>>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>
>> [SNIP]
>>
>>>>>>> The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>>>>>>> This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>>>>>>> long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>>>>>>> big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>>>>>>> probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   For something that size  &  seldom used  -  I wouldn't even bother
>>>>>> with hinges,   let alone  springs & latches.
>>>>>>   I'd just have it lift  out,  with a  recessed  handle.
>>>>>>     John T.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was mostly looking for the way to be able to get a hold of it to lift
>>>>> out without that being something that would be too much of either trip
>>>>> over or a big collector of dirt...hinges are, indeed, more than needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> A spring-loaded catch that would raise the lip enough to get a grasp
>>>>> might work if it didn't release every time just by stepping on the panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just order one (or two) of these and your problem is solved.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/Solid-Brass-Flush-Pull?utm_source=froog&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gdf&partner=froog&CAWELAID=120035490000010216&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sW-xxUza7HudYkKeDDZJPXbDtO3C7vuQ0t701W6l4NI97cpibo_YrxoCy8cQAvD_BwE>
>>>>
>>>> or to make it easy: http://tinyurl.com/y5wqdnoa
>>>>
>>>> If you trip over this in your application, you have much bigger problems
>>>> than accessing that crawl space. LOL! ;)
>>>
>>> No trip hazard, but it is a "collector of dirt", something dpb wants to avoid.
>>>
>>> Think flat, just like the floor. No crevice, divot or indentation.
>>
>> If it's gonna be that big a problem, perhaps you might recommend that he
>> go to Area 51 and see if he can find an anti-gravity device.
>>
>> His is in a closet for god's sake. In a previous post, I said that I
>> installed a flush trap door in a laundry room with one of these to lift
>> the door. The trap door is in an area where we kick off our shoes and
>> boots. Nobody has ever tripped on it in the more than 40 years it's been
>> in place.
>>
>> Occasionally some dirt or grit DOES get into the lift ring. There is
>> this miracle tool called a vacuum cleaner that solves the "problem."
>>
>> Just a guess, but I suspect that the OP may have one at his home and
>> that it would probably work in the closet as well as it does out in the
>> open. ;)
>
> If you know anything about dpb, you know that he is way smart enough to
> know that a recessed handle is an easy solution. He didn't need our help
> with that or any links to sources. Heck, in the time since he made his
> original post he could have *made* a handle.
>
> He's not looking for a simple solution, he's looking for an ingenious
> solution. When a magnet was suggested, he said that that was something he
> had considered. Do you think he considered a magnet and recessed plate
> because he had never heard of a handle?
>
> He is specifically asking for suggestions that don't collect dirt and
> a recessed handle does not meet that requirement.

Yeah, you hit the idea behind the request, DD -- sometimes folks here
have either seen or done something that is really out of the ordinary
for not always necessarily difficult problems.

Some of the recessed lift rings are solutions but aren't quite what had
in mind in asking, yes. I've thought also of a similar idea since is
pretty small that would be to have the pull just be a t-rod that drops
into recess. It could even be a square of the flooring so was
unobtrusive then the magnet could be pretty small one to just lift the
handle to get hold of it to lift...

As you say, was just casting a net for ideas other than the most obvious.
--

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/19/2019 1:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>>> thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>>> and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>>> anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>>> Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>>> with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
>>> needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>>> It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
>>> be flush.
>>> Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
>>> outstanding...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Without knowing the size / weight ..
>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1
>> perhaps gate spring(s) combined with a hidden
>> <magnetic ? > latch .. ?
>> An attractive recessed handle is another idea ..
>> but might be a dust collector ..
>> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377
>> John T.
>
>
>The recessed chest handle is one idea had...
>This is only in between 16" joist spacing width and little over 2-ft
>long so is just big enough to manage to get through if one's not too
>big...with just the framed flooring and backer it doesn't weigh 10 lb
>probably.
>

For something that size & seldom used - I wouldn't even bother
with hinges, let alone springs & latches.
I'd just have it lift out, with a recessed handle.
John T.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:47:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>Have new hardwood floor going in...access to crawl space in closet is
>thru a opening in the floor as was impractical to build in other entry
>and there's very little likelihood of this area needing access
>anyway--no plumbing, wiring, etc.
>
>Q? It would be kewl to have somthing like a lever or handle release
>with a spring load or something similar to raise one end for access when
>needed so don't have to put a set of protruding handles in the floor.
>It is back in a closet out of traffic area, but still would be better to
>be flush.
>
>Anybody got ideas for purpose? I've not found anything yet truly
>outstanding...
>


Crawl space can be damp & hardware prone to rusting .. ?
Without knowing the size / weight ..

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=46566&cat=3,41305,45958&ap=1

perhaps gate spring(s) combined with a hidden
<magnetic ? > latch .. ?

An attractive recessed handle is another idea ..
but might be a dust collector ..

http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=56237&cat=3,41427,41377

John T.