Searching for (new) wood supplier

Air Force Scott. He was in the Air Force.

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/2rlug and http://tinyurl.com/2kc6o

Not that it really makes a difference in regard to the language issue.

Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 3:08pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Renata)
<snip> I live in the DC burbs, <snip> What are some other options?

Been a lonnng time since I was up there. I would say move. LOL

Maybe you and one or three others in the area could go in together
on a load of wood. If no one has a truck, trailer, or station wagon,
maybe you could chip in and rent one. If you've got space to dry wood,
I'd say hunt up a mill. Maybe they'll deliver.

What do you make anyway? You may have said before, but if so, I
forgot.

And, last, but not least, don't listen to Homer.

JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 18 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

Jim,

When have I resorted to psycho babble? :)

In case you haven't noticed, Renata has just mentioned she is gonna get
a truck.

So my original suggestion was valid. I was offering reasonable
suggestions. One was to get a truck. the rest was merely facetious
silliness. Unfortunately, some folks so red and their blood pressure
shot up. Can't help that. I am ALWAYS being facetious. I'm NOT into
name calling, but I do like to be silly. If you want to equate
silliness with meanness, that's your bag. I, however will not wear the
title of "Mr. Meany". Sorry to deflect your criticism, but I don't
accept your hypothesis... But you are entitled to your opinion of me.

I respect you for not resorting to name calling.

IF you have read my posts from time to time you would KNOW, in your
heart of heart, that unless I am responded to one of the more vicious
miscreants that show up here from time to time, I'm most ALWAYS joking
when I say something OUTRAGEOUS and/or FACETIOUS. You should KNOW that
about me by now. Why do I have to resort to disclaimers during those
types of posts? I make those types of comments so often, I'd be typing
my fingers to the bone, adding disclaimers. It insults the intelligence
of the reader and spoils the effect. I PRESUME that people here know
about my dry sense of humor. Tongue in cheek, that sort of thing.

dave



Jim Wilson wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>
>>But who,
>>without one, makes their living at it and asks for opinions on how to
>>obtain supplies?
>
>
> Dave, I currently make my living woodworking, mostly; certainly in large
> part. I don't have a truck, and I have asked for help obtaining supplies,
> including wood. Steve Knight makes his living doing woodworking. I don't
> think he has a truck. I don't think he even has a car (G). (Bikes don't
> count, right?) I have seen him ask here for opinions obtaining wood
> supplies, too.
>
> We (and Renata) probably aren't the only ones. You're simply and clearly
> wrong on the point that you argued. When that happens, the only rational
> reaction is to admit it, reverse yourself, and move on -- like Scott did
> when you pointed out his error about your claiming to have been in the
> Navy.
>
> Now I have a question for you: Why did you respond in such a foolish way
> to Renata's earnest question? Do you really believe there's any
> justification for the tone and content of your response to her? Just a
> straight answer, please; no psychobabble needed.
>
> Jim

Renata: I can say that Steve Wall is a good guy to deal with, when I lived in
NC I used to go up to Mayodan and buy wood. My buddy ordered stock shipped,
and they always gave him nice picks, and he never complained, so I'd give Wall
a vote of confidence. His prices are competitive as well. Good luck.

http://www.westpennhardwoods.com/default.htm

Renata wrote:

> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
> I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
> additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
> experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
> places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
> mills).
>
> I know about, but haven't dealt with Hartzell and Steve Wall. Once I
> tried to order some 6/4 or 8/4 cherry from Hartzell and they told me
> they didn't have it. I'm planning on checking out (and buying my 6
> or 8/4 cherry, some maple and walnut that I couldn't get at Advantage)
> Exotic Lumber in Gaithersburg Monday. Little pricy, but not as bad as
> others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
> bit more). Besides, I gotta check out their selection of exotics.
> There are other places in the DC area, but they are prohibitively
> expensive usually (Woodcraft, and so on).
>
> At this point I prefer to buy S2S1E, in quantities somewhat less than
> 200 board feet (10 of this, 20 of that, etc.)
>
> I live in the DC burbs, but do get up to the Harrisburg PA area,
> though that's gonna get less frequent. Don't have a truck at the
> moment, but can carry 8' rs in my car (just not too many of them).
>
> I think that ideally I'd like to find a place that has decent prices
> and will ship the stuff (like Advantage used to do). Second option
> would be a place not too far that has decent prices (like a mill
> maybe). I think there was a place in VA like this that I can't recall.
> I'm more reluctant with the second choice since I don't have a truck
> and would hate to drive a million miles to pick up my $12 ;-) worth of
> wood.
>
> What are some other options?
>
> Thanx
> Renata

Shhhh Bob, stop giving away our secrets!

Ah hell, cats out of the bag now, Bob is 100% correct on this. Brian is a
great person to deal with, he will go above and beyond to take care of a
customer and his prices are good as well.

Greg

"Bob S." wrote:

> Renata,
>
> I use www.lakeshorehardwoods.com as many do here in the Central NY area. He
> ships and I believe he's taken lessons from Lee Valley too...;-) Great
> company to do business with .... knows what a customer is and how to treat
> them.
>
> They have a fine selection of woods and the best cherry around. All kiln
> dried to 6%-8% guaranteed and they do the drying themselves. Since I drive
> to their location I've never looked at his mail order policies to see if
> there's a minimum. Brian is his name - great person to deal with and I know
> you'll like the wood. Give him a call
>
> I just checked the site - no minimums. Although he doesn't state it on his
> site, I've asked him before if he ships and he said yes. So give him a call
> at (315) 298-6407.
>
> Bob S.

Dang, you mean 15 of the last 20 years when I didn't have a truck, but
was ww'g, I shouldn't have been?

Dang, you mean the last 14 years when I've lived in this most
expensive of places, and didn't have a good local supplier, but
managed to do some ww'g, I shouldn't have been?

Dang, you mean all these times I've found obstacles, then ways around
'em, I shoulda just given up?

Congratualtions, you have totally convinced me that you are indeed a
complete A$$hole and abject idiot. I've been diminshing the number of
your postings I actually open; you just made it downright easy - 0 it
is!

Renata

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:11 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>options?
>
>Give up woodworking.
>
>Get a truck.
>
>Move.
>
>Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>
>
>OR, just quit whining!
>
>
>dave
>
>
>
>Renata wrote:
>
>> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>> I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>> additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>> experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>> places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>> mills).
>>
>> I know about, but haven't dealt with Hartzell and Steve Wall. Once I
>> tried to order some 6/4 or 8/4 cherry from Hartzell and they told me
>> they didn't have it. I'm planning on checking out (and buying my 6
>> or 8/4 cherry, some maple and walnut that I couldn't get at Advantage)
>> Exotic Lumber in Gaithersburg Monday. Little pricy, but not as bad as
>> others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
>> bit more). Besides, I gotta check out their selection of exotics.
>> There are other places in the DC area, but they are prohibitively
>> expensive usually (Woodcraft, and so on).
>>
>> At this point I prefer to buy S2S1E, in quantities somewhat less than
>> 200 board feet (10 of this, 20 of that, etc.)
>>
>> I live in the DC burbs, but do get up to the Harrisburg PA area,
>> though that's gonna get less frequent. Don't have a truck at the
>> moment, but can carry 8' rs in my car (just not too many of them).
>>
>> I think that ideally I'd like to find a place that has decent prices
>> and will ship the stuff (like Advantage used to do). Second option
>> would be a place not too far that has decent prices (like a mill
>> maybe). I think there was a place in VA like this that I can't recall.
>> I'm more reluctant with the second choice since I don't have a truck
>> and would hate to drive a million miles to pick up my $12 ;-) worth of
>> wood.
>>
>> What are some other options?
>>
>> Thanx
>> Renata
>

Thanx.

Actually, I hope to buy a used truck sometime in the future as plans
dictate a truck (well, make life lots easier and therefore justify the
purchase a bit more).

Did think about a hitch (and trailer) and may go that route (in
addition to future truck?) as it'd tide me over (before th truck
purchase) and be useful for attaching a bike carrier.

Renata

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:56:23 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>[email protected] (Renata) wrote:
>
>>Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>>I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>>additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>>experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>>places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>>mills).
>
>
>Some time ago, a gent posted his experience using a folding trailer.
>Did a quick google and maybe this is the thread. If not search a bit
>more:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=vSiNa.35297%24926.3344%40sccrnsc03&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dharbor%2Bfreight%2Bfold%2Btrailer%2Bwood%2Brec.woodworking%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DvSiNa.35297%2524926.3344%2540sccrnsc03%26rnum%3D4
>
>My pickup recently died and now I have a Saturn with a hitch on it.
>I'll be buying a light trailer in 5x8 range to bring wood home. You
>might want to think about a light trailer if your car can handle it.
>
>Wes
>--
>Reply to:
>Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
>Lycos address is a spam trap.

THANX!

Renata

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:06:01 GMT, "Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Renata,
>
>I use www.lakeshorehardwoods.com as many do here in the Central NY area. He
>ships and I believe he's taken lessons from Lee Valley too...;-) Great
>company to do business with .... knows what a customer is and how to treat
>them.
>
>They have a fine selection of woods and the best cherry around. All kiln
>dried to 6%-8% guaranteed and they do the drying themselves. Since I drive
>to their location I've never looked at his mail order policies to see if
>there's a minimum. Brian is his name - great person to deal with and I know
>you'll like the wood. Give him a call
>
>I just checked the site - no minimums. Although he doesn't state it on his
>site, I've asked him before if he ships and he said yes. So give him a call
>at (315) 298-6407.
>
>Bob S.
>
>

Ooooh. I might just have to get me some of that quilted maple!

You see, this is the problem - I can't resist wood, and to add fuel to
the fire, I can't resist a sale (yes, yes, I know, typical woman).

Thanx
Renata

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:35:12 GMT, "Bill K." <[email protected]> wrote:

>http://www.westpennhardwoods.com/default.htm
>
>Renata wrote:
>
>> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>> I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>> additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>> experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>> places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>> mills).
>>
>> I know about, but haven't dealt with Hartzell and Steve Wall. Once I
>> tried to order some 6/4 or 8/4 cherry from Hartzell and they told me
>> they didn't have it. I'm planning on checking out (and buying my 6
>> or 8/4 cherry, some maple and walnut that I couldn't get at Advantage)
>> Exotic Lumber in Gaithersburg Monday. Little pricy, but not as bad as
>> others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
>> bit more). Besides, I gotta check out their selection of exotics.
>> There are other places in the DC area, but they are prohibitively
>> expensive usually (Woodcraft, and so on).
>>
>> At this point I prefer to buy S2S1E, in quantities somewhat less than
>> 200 board feet (10 of this, 20 of that, etc.)
>>
>> I live in the DC burbs, but do get up to the Harrisburg PA area,
>> though that's gonna get less frequent. Don't have a truck at the
>> moment, but can carry 8' rs in my car (just not too many of them).
>>
>> I think that ideally I'd like to find a place that has decent prices
>> and will ship the stuff (like Advantage used to do). Second option
>> would be a place not too far that has decent prices (like a mill
>> maybe). I think there was a place in VA like this that I can't recall.
>> I'm more reluctant with the second choice since I don't have a truck
>> and would hate to drive a million miles to pick up my $12 ;-) worth of
>> wood.
>>
>> What are some other options?
>>
>> Thanx
>> Renata
>

Why thanx for asking.

I make contemporary furniture kinda sporadicaly, lately, veeery
sporadically, and have this itch to try my hand at jewelry boxes (but
am working on a unique and functional design). I also do
architectural design.

Combination of sheet goods and solid woods. I haven't had a customer
willing to pay for solid cherry or oak carcasses, and haven't been
"inspired" to do solid cherry cabinetry for myself yet. Some smaller
pieces (like cd racks) are all sold wood, of course.

The entertainment center I'm trying to finish (kinda like Larry's bow
saw, though I have a long way to wait to catch up to him - I've only
been at it 2 years) will have a pair of raised panel solid cherry
pocket doors. Part of the hang up is I keep changing minor design
details (liek the crown). But, I think I've settled on a final
version, and in fact was trying to order some 6/4 cherry for side
"pillars" - kinda pseudo raised panel - (to 'reinforce' the ply sides,
which are tending to bow out in the 4' high tv space) when this to-do
started. Hoping to finish by New Year.

Lately I've been occupied with all sorts of stuff (like carpentry, but
also life), not all voluntary, that keeps me away from the shop. Good
news is that I've probably had my fill of Habitat for Humanity so
won't be building or designing or anything else for 'em.

Sorry - I tend to ramble... Next time you'll be more carefull asking
knowing the long winded response. :-)

Renata

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:52:23 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:

>Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 3:08pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Renata)
><snip> I live in the DC burbs, <snip> What are some other options?
>
> Been a lonnng time since I was up there. I would say move. LOL
>
> Maybe you and one or three others in the area could go in together
>on a load of wood. If no one has a truck, trailer, or station wagon,
>maybe you could chip in and rent one. If you've got space to dry wood,
>I'd say hunt up a mill. Maybe they'll deliver.
>
> What do you make anyway? You may have said before, but if so, I
>forgot.
>
> And, last, but not least, don't listen to Homer.
>
>JOAT
>Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
>as well dance.
>- Unknown
>
>Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
>Web Page Update 18 Dec 2003.
>Some tunes I like.
>http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>

It's easy to draw you out with posts such as my reply to R. You are the
the quintessential knee-jerker.



Scott Cramer wrote:

snip
>
> And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still think you
> are an asshole.

Mostly you, potty mouth.

Sincerely,

dave

> What are some other options?
>
> Thanx
> Renata

Far be it from me to give a real answer to your question unlike
another poster, but if you're only buying 10 or 20 bf of lumber, I
have frequently bought wood off of ebay. If you pay attention to
shipping and pick the right auctions, you can get a pretty good deal.
Most of the boards you'll get are under 6' in length due to shipping
size/weight considerations. It's also a great place to buy some
unique boards used as accents on projects.

Also, many lumber yards have their own "shops" on ebay, so you know
you're buying from a place that has quite a variety of woods.

Your premise is not based on fact. Sorry.

Keep trying, though. someday you'll get it.

(Do the words "mirror" and "man" mean anything to you?)


dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 19 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Scott, take a lesson from Silvan, PLEASE!.
>
>
> How would killfiling you change your status as the Wreck's resident
> asshole?
>
>
>>>Who, Dave? Is he still around? Wow, killfiles rock! :)
>
>
>

yes. so.

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dope
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Literally, I did. But it was a facetious statement, not to be taken
>>seriously.
>>
>
> Haven't you realized yet that you are the only one who found anything
> facetious in your response to Renata?
>
> --
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

I can't imagine why people havent killfiled this guy, as I did months ago.
It has saved a lot of time and aggrevation. What's the use in reacting to
him???
Jay

"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
> > options?
> >
> > Give up woodworking.
> >
> > Get a truck.
> >
> > Move.
> >
> > Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
> >
> >
> > OR, just quit whining!
>
> And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still think
you
> are an asshole.
>
> > Renata wrote:
> >
> >> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood.
>

Now was that a sporting thing to say?

Just state your side of the disagreement and leave it at that. Folks
can make up their own minds without your prodding.

dave

T. wrote:

snip

>
> And, last, but not least, don't listen to Homer.


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Rich.




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> I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
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> others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
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Well, let me help you to recall.
You are NOT paraphrasing. You are either lying or are
proving that you really are the complete idiot that many here
believe you to be. It would really help your case if you took
the time to read the drivel you had previously belched forth
before rushing to insert your foot in your mouth yet again.
But I suppose that would be too much of a strain for your
brain cell, eh?

Art

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> BTW, I don't recall saying that you shouldn't be woodworking! That's
> quite a stretch from what I wrote. I said if you have a WW business and
> have no way to get supplies, you shouldn't be belly-aching about it (I'm
> paraphrasing here).
>
<snip>
>
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:11 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>options?
> >>
> >>Give up woodworking.
> >>
> >>Get a truck.
> >>
> >>Move.
> >>
> >>Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>OR, just quit whining!
> >>

Scott you are a baldfaced LIAR!

I have NEVER said that I was in the Navy. NOt here. Not anywhere. WHY
on earth do you persist in lying?? YOU need mental help.

I DID see the USS Abraham Lincoln pull into port after duty in the Mid
East earlier this year.

You are hopelessy rude, disgusting, and a LIAR.

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Why did you assume I was in the Navy?
>
>
> I didn't assume anything. You said it yourself in a previous post,
> asshole.

Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.

That's great form, Mike and shows a lot of class.

Grow up! Learn to communicate like a big boy.

dave

Mike Alexander wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't
>> that be the adult thing to do, rather than expect me to change into a
>> clone of you; someone who wrote everything from YOUR viewpoint?
>>
>
> No, I don't wish anyone to be a clone of me. Diversity is a wonderful
> thing. But just because I don't want or expect you to be like me,
> doesn't mean you have to be an ass.
>
> ...Mike
>

Scott, take a lesson from Silvan, PLEASE!.

dave

Silvan wrote:

> Scott Cramer wrote:
>
>
>>And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still think
>>you are an asshole.
>
>
> Who, Dave? Is he still around? Wow, killfiles rock! :)
>

Bay Area Dave wrote...
> But who,
> without one, makes their living at it and asks for opinions on how to
> obtain supplies?

Dave, I currently make my living woodworking, mostly; certainly in large
part. I don't have a truck, and I have asked for help obtaining supplies,
including wood. Steve Knight makes his living doing woodworking. I don't
think he has a truck. I don't think he even has a car (G). (Bikes don't
count, right?) I have seen him ask here for opinions obtaining wood
supplies, too.

We (and Renata) probably aren't the only ones. You're simply and clearly
wrong on the point that you argued. When that happens, the only rational
reaction is to admit it, reverse yourself, and move on -- like Scott did
when you pointed out his error about your claiming to have been in the
Navy.

Now I have a question for you: Why did you respond in such a foolish way
to Renata's earnest question? Do you really believe there's any
justification for the tone and content of your response to her? Just a
straight answer, please; no psychobabble needed.

Jim

Bay Area Dave wrote...

> In case you haven't noticed, Renata has just mentioned she is gonna get
> a truck.
>
> So my original suggestion was valid.

Uh, that's a pretty obvious non sequitur argument, don't you think? She
did mention she will need to get a truck, but that's not really relevant
to your response. It doesn't validate your suggestion. Do you really
think she intends to forego buying any more wood until she gets a truck?

Originally, she had asked for wood sources that might work for her, given
her current situation, which she carefully outlined, including the fact
that she does not yet have a truck. You said:

> options?
> Give up woodworking.
> Get a truck.
> Move.
> Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>
> OR, just quit whining!

None of your "suggestions" responded to her query. She says, "wood
suppliers?" You say, "give up woodworking." See how it doesn't answer the
question? Here's another example: She says, "can you suggest any sources
for small quantities of wood?" And you say, "get a truck." Or, she asks
"do you know of any wood suppliers near me?" and you respond, "move." One
more, in case you still don't understand. She wants to know "do you know
where I can buy wood for a reasonable price, perhaps online?" and you
tell her "quit whining!"

> I was offering reasonable suggestions.

Really? No, not really.

> One was to get a truck. the rest was merely facetious
> silliness.

This really smacks of deliberate deception. First of all, you "suggested"
four options. The first three are listed together. The fourth looks like
an afterthought. Maybe now you want to claim that the last was your
facetious silliness, and the first three were your "reasonable
suggestions." But you really don't think it is reasonable that she should
move or give up woodworking, just because she is looking for a new source
of wood, do you? I think not. And if not, then what distinguishes your
"get a truck" suggestion from these other two? Nothing. Look at what you
posted!

How can you now claim that your "suggestion" to get a truck was
"reasonable?" It is buried undistinguished within a post laden with what
you yourself characterize as "facetious silliness." There is nothing to
alert the reader to your sudden, temporary reasonableness, and there is
no hint that you have returned from reasonableness to silliness. Don't
forget, your "reasonable suggestion" is well camouflaged by the fact that
it is not a logical response to her question!

> Unfortunately, some folks so red and their blood pressure
> shot up. Can't help that.

Really?

> I am ALWAYS being facetious.

How about in your previous sentence, "Can't help that." Were you being
facetious then?

> Why do I have to resort to disclaimers during those
> types of posts? I make those types of comments so often, I'd be typing
> my fingers to the bone, adding disclaimers. It insults the intelligence
> of the reader and spoils the effect. I PRESUME that people here know
> about my dry sense of humor. Tongue in cheek, that sort of thing.

When you say "those types of comments" that you make so often, do you
mean silliness, facetiousness, outrageousness, that sort of thing? Would
you consider these to be a major part of your contribution to this forum?

Jim

Bay Area Dave wrote...
> Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.

Um, where did he do that?!

Not that there's anything WRONG with it. [tm Jerry Seinfeld]

Jim

Bay Area Dave wrote...
> you ARE kidding, right?

Nope. The post you responded to, where you said

> >>Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.

contained exactly two names: Bay Area Dave and Mike.

Maybe you'd better read it again? The post did contain the word "ass,"
but it wasn't used as a name. Webster or equivalent should clear that up
for you, if that was the source of your confusion.

Jim

You are welcome, Mike. I'd hate to keep you in the dark about so
important an issue as my popularity, or lack thereof.

Explain to me your rationale for making a negative character assessment
of me because of the options I listed .

BTW, as far as I am concerned you are WHINING about me. If I offend you
so, just plonk me and enjoy the Wreck without my presence. Wouldn't
that be the adult thing to do, rather than expect me to change into a
clone of you; someone who wrote everything from YOUR viewpoint?


dave

Mike Alexander wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> options?
>>
>> Give up woodworking.
>>
>> Get a truck.
>>
>> Move.
>>
>> Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>>
>>
>> OR, just quit whining!
>>
>>
>> dave
>> '
>
>
> You know Dave, when I first started reading this group, not long ago, I
> read your posts, and thought "he seems like a nice guy, I wonder why
> others treat him so badly". Thank you for enlightening me. Now I know.
>
> ...Mike
>

Last things first: Sure a lot of WW gets done without trucks. But who,
without one, makes their living at it and asks for opinions on how to
obtain supplies? OTOH, if the OP doesn't make their living at it,
that's another story.

I'd rather not go over in DETAIL long ago transgressions, so let's skip
the "you said/I said" history, if you don't mind.

Let's focus on the future. If you can refrain from calling me names and
refrain from attributing to me things from your imagination; and
disagree with me on the merits of the argument at hand, as opposed to
character attacks, then we can liven up the Wreck with some honest
discussion. When it devolves into name calling, I'm not gonna respond
like we're best friends. I find name calling is most always resorted to
by those who either lack intelligent debating tools or who have lost
their cool. Either way it only makes the person with the foul mouth
look like a jerk. You can't make a lucid argument when your speech is
filled with invectives and profanities. How do you want others to
perceive you, and how do you really think they perceive you when you
write in that fashion? Do you want respect? I doubt that's the way to
go about it. Do you want to be taken seriously? How's it working for
you so far?

I, along with everyone else on a public forum, have a right to express
my opinion and you have the right to disagree. That's ok. What isn't
ok is the constant personal attacks . Good natured ribbing is fine;
heck I do that every day here. I like humor in the form of sarcasm,
irony, silliness, and facetiousness.

We can't change history, but we sure can change our future behavior, if
we choose. Would you be willing to spend your future energies making
friends, or enemies? Arguing about woodworking techniques doesn't
require that you hate the person with an opposing view.

This is way more effort than I expected out of myself to try to get
through to you that we should either "get along" or "move along". The
choice is yours, Scott.

dave



Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Making an erroneous statement is one thing; we all do that, but when
>>you have been put on notice that I didn't say what you attribute to
>>me, then you are a common LIAR. That's not a mistake. That is
>>intentional, although the ramifications of the lie itself is
>>inconsequential, your habit of lying about me is persistent. You have
>>done this very same thing more than several times during the past
>>year.
>
>
> Dave, Dave, Dave! I made a mistake, and I admit that I made a
> mistake. I even apologized to the injured party (the Navy).
>
> If you can cite one example of any deliberate lie on my part in any
> previous post, I'll fess up to being criminally insane, and seek
> professional help. Or at least I'll take some drugs. I think there's some
> Ibuprofen in the medicine chest.
>
>
> <snip unattributed psychobabble>
>
>
>>You fit the profile; you lie incessantly. There MAY be hope for you,
>>IF you are willing to admit you have a problem. There are drugs, and
>>psychotherapy. Haven't I mentioned this to you before? IF not, I
>>apologize, as you obviously need some help with your affliction.
>
>
> This tangent thread started when you tore into Renata without
> provocation. And then you suggest that I'm the one with issues? You must
> have cojones the size of grapefruit.
>
>
>>And I still say that a woodworker who makes a living at it, needs to
>>have the necessary tools and equipment or they are merely a
>>"wanna-be".
>
>
> And I still say you are an idiot who doesn't have the beginning of a
> hint of a clue as to what you're talking about. A whole lot of woodworking
> gets done without pickup trucks.
>
>
>> I'm surely not in the "business". I'm doing my woodworking as a
>>hobby. When I DID run a business, you can bet I had everything
>>necessary. That would be eight years worth, BTW. Then an injury took
>>me away from it...
>
>
> http://www.kleenex.com/home.htm
>

livelihood? A woodworker who plans on earning a buck and has NO TRUCK?
That's convenient; and SMART!

Maybe I'll become an astronaut; oh, I forgot; I get dizzy if I turn
around too fast.

Scott, you are a major contributor of foul-mouthed posts, so I don't
know what the point is of you trying to deflect that criticism.
Everyone that reads the Wreck know who uses trailer-trash language
frequently and who almost NEVER resorts to that. You've used *ss and
s*it about 26 times... don't bother to count mine, because when those
words appear in a post they are 99% of the time in quoted text from the
reply that I didn't snip all the nasties from. 'Course you being the
brain surgeon that you are would just Google on Bay Area Dave as the
author, and conclude quickly that I used those words, instead of the
previous poster. Scott, you'll never rise above your lot in life if you
don't admit you've got a problem... NOW will you plonk me? If you do,
I promise to never talk unkindly behind your back. Is it a deal?

I decided not to count the F word you are also fond of...


dave



Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>It's easy to draw you out with posts such as my reply to R. You are
>>the the quintessential knee-jerker.
>
>
> Somebody has to do it.
>
> Renata has an actual woodworking problem. Not the kind of "what
> happens if I glue shirt buttons on to squash pies" kind of question that
> you favor, but a serious question that affects her livelihood.
>
> She took the trouble to ask it in a well written, articulate, and
> thoughtful way. I hope she gets some helpful responses - I didn't respond
> to her, because I had nothing to offer.
>
> You, who have even less to offer, DID respond, with an
> useless, unmerited attack. Who's the kneejerker?
>
>
>
>>>And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still
>>>think you are an asshole.
>>
>>Mostly you, potty mouth.
>
>
> I know it isn't just me. Run a google search on "Bay Area Dave +
> asshole" if you don't believe it.

Bay Area Dave wrote:
> options?
>
> Give up woodworking.
>
> Get a truck.
>
> Move.
>
> Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>
>
> OR, just quit whining!
>
>
> dave
> '

You know Dave, when I first started reading this group, not long ago, I
read your posts, and thought "he seems like a nice guy, I wonder why
others treat him so badly". Thank you for enlightening me. Now I know.

...Mike

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> options?
>
> Give up woodworking.
>
> Get a truck.
>
> Move.
>
> Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>
>
> OR, just quit whining!

And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still think you
are an asshole.

> Renata wrote:
>
>> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood.

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> It's easy to draw you out with posts such as my reply to R. You are
> the the quintessential knee-jerker.

Somebody has to do it.

Renata has an actual woodworking problem. Not the kind of "what
happens if I glue shirt buttons on to squash pies" kind of question that
you favor, but a serious question that affects her livelihood.

She took the trouble to ask it in a well written, articulate, and
thoughtful way. I hope she gets some helpful responses - I didn't respond
to her, because I had nothing to offer.

You, who have even less to offer, DID respond, with an
useless, unmerited attack. Who's the kneejerker?


>> And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still
>> think you are an asshole.
>
> Mostly you, potty mouth.

I know it isn't just me. Run a google search on "Bay Area Dave +
asshole" if you don't believe it.

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> livelihood? A woodworker who plans on earning a buck and has NO
> TRUCK?
> That's convenient; and SMART!

Dave, you are an idiot whose ignorance is exceeded only by his
arrogance. What could you possibly know about it?

> Maybe I'll become an astronaut; oh, I forgot; I get dizzy if I turn
> around too fast.

I think you are probably pretty dizzy just standing still. And
anyway, they stopped sending chimps into space in the 1950's.

> Scott, you are a major contributor of foul-mouthed posts, so I don't
> know what the point is of you trying to deflect that criticism.
> Everyone that reads the Wreck know who uses trailer-trash language
> frequently and who almost NEVER resorts to that.

And you were in the Navy? Unless you spent your entire time in the
barrel, I would expect that experience would have made you a little less
sensitive to colorful language.

> You've used *ss and
> s*it about 26 times...

Who's counting? Oh... you.

>'Course you being
> the brain surgeon that you are would just Google on Bay Area Dave as
> the author, and conclude quickly that I used those words, instead of
> the previous poster.

Uh, Dave, I just suggested that you might search on the phrases "Bay
Area Dave + asshole." Not you as the author. "Bay Area Dave" as words in
conjunction with the word asshole. I didn't actually try it. I came to
the conclusion that you are an asshole long ago; I don't need anyone else
to confirm it for me.

>>>>And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still
>>>>think you are an asshole.

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Why did you assume I was in the Navy?

I didn't assume anything. You said it yourself in a previous post,
asshole.

> So tell me again why someone who whines about having a business
> without the necessary equipment deserves your undying devotion? Or
> was someone blowing smoke when they said the OP makes a living from
> WWing? I believe YOU were the one who said it affects her LIVELIHOOD.

Maybe I read some other newsgroups, and know some things you don't.

> So explain to me in little words how a person who makes money
> woodworking doesn't have a truck for hauling supplies, equipment, or
> whatever, comes on here to whine about the lack thereof, complains
> about a $500 minimum that ONE company she dealt with just instituted,
> and this causes you to fall all over yourself to make it all better?

Maybe she makes dollhouse furniture, and can carry a year's worth of
production in her glovebox. Maybe she makes wooden pillboxes, and they'd
rattle around and get lost in the bed of a pickup truck. Any number of
scenarios would explain why she isn't interested in buying $500 worth of
wood, and doesn't need a truck. None of this changes your status as an
asshole .

> If those details are inaccurate, than someone has been less than
> truthful today, and it isn't me, Scotty.

You mean _then_, not _than_, Dave.

> and of COURSE I wouldn't look ME up for *sshole,

Dave, you'd have to look *out* in order to see your asshole. Or you
can just pull your head back till you hear a *pop* and look to see where
the noise came from.

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Scott you are a baldfaced LIAR!
>
> I have NEVER said that I was in the Navy. NOt here. Not anywhere.

Hey, I could be wrong. These things happen. I thought you said it
sometime back, but then, who could possibly keep track of every last bit of
your blather? I apologize to the Navy for intimating they'd have you.

> I DID see the USS Abraham Lincoln pull into port after duty in the Mid
> East earlier this year.

And did you have bananas on your cereal today?

> You are hopelessy rude, disgusting, and a LIAR.

I dunno, some people find me amusing. Although not nearly as many as
find you to be an asshole.

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Making an erroneous statement is one thing; we all do that, but when
> you have been put on notice that I didn't say what you attribute to
> me, then you are a common LIAR. That's not a mistake. That is
> intentional, although the ramifications of the lie itself is
> inconsequential, your habit of lying about me is persistent. You have
> done this very same thing more than several times during the past
> year.

Dave, Dave, Dave! I made a mistake, and I admit that I made a
mistake. I even apologized to the injured party (the Navy).

If you can cite one example of any deliberate lie on my part in any
previous post, I'll fess up to being criminally insane, and seek
professional help. Or at least I'll take some drugs. I think there's some
Ibuprofen in the medicine chest.


<snip unattributed psychobabble>

> You fit the profile; you lie incessantly. There MAY be hope for you,
> IF you are willing to admit you have a problem. There are drugs, and
> psychotherapy. Haven't I mentioned this to you before? IF not, I
> apologize, as you obviously need some help with your affliction.

This tangent thread started when you tore into Renata without
provocation. And then you suggest that I'm the one with issues? You must
have cojones the size of grapefruit.

> And I still say that a woodworker who makes a living at it, needs to
> have the necessary tools and equipment or they are merely a
> "wanna-be".

And I still say you are an idiot who doesn't have the beginning of a
hint of a clue as to what you're talking about. A whole lot of woodworking
gets done without pickup trucks.

> I'm surely not in the "business". I'm doing my woodworking as a
> hobby. When I DID run a business, you can bet I had everything
> necessary. That would be eight years worth, BTW. Then an injury took
> me away from it...

http://www.kleenex.com/home.htm

On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Last things first: Sure a lot of WW gets done without trucks. But
> who, without one, makes their living at it and asks for opinions on
> how to obtain supplies? OTOH, if the OP doesn't make their living at
> it, that's another story.

Read Renata's response, then shut up already.

> I'd rather not go over in DETAIL long ago transgressions, so let's
> skip the "you said/I said" history, if you don't mind.

I don't mind any of this. It's only a bit of idiotic amusement in my
otherwise busy day.

> Let's focus on the future. If you can refrain from calling me names
> and refrain from attributing to me things from your imagination; and
> disagree with me on the merits of the argument at hand, as opposed to
> character attacks, then we can liven up the Wreck with some honest
> discussion. When it devolves into name calling, I'm not gonna respond
> like we're best friends.

A few years back, some guy sued another guy for calling him an
asshole. The defendant won the case, convincing the court beyond a shadow
of a doubt that the accuser was indeed an asshole.

Can you see where I'm going with this?

It's not a character attack, Dave. It's a statement of fact. There
is an almost endless archive of your posts to back it up. Crikey,
rec.woodworking could probably bring a class action suit against you for
emotional suffering - never mind the hearing damage you've caused by your
incessant high-pitched whining.

> I find name calling is most always resorted
> to by those who either lack intelligent debating tools or who have
> lost their cool.

Again, it's not name calling, but simple truth.

And I'm so cool, I have to be measured in degrees Kelvin, so that
can't be the reason.

> Either way it only makes the person with the foul
> mouth look like a jerk.

I'm content with that. I do not hunger for the approval of others.

> You can't make a lucid argument when your
> speech is filled with invectives and profanities. How do you want
> others to perceive you, and how do you really think they perceive you
> when you write in that fashion?

So far, you are the only one who cares enough to squawk about it.
And again, calling you an asshole is not profanity, but the thoughtful,
precise use of language.

> Do you want respect? I doubt that's
> the way to go about it. Do you want to be taken seriously? How's it
> working for you so far?

Again, I'm going to be happy with or without your approval. And
again, no one else is bitching about it but you.

> I, along with everyone else on a public forum, have a right to
> express my opinion and you have the right to disagree. That's ok.
> What isn't ok is the constant personal attacks .

They're not constant, Dave. I am only moved to crap on you when your
obnoxiousness exceeds a certain, fairly high, limit. I started reading the
Wreck yesterday morning, and you had responded to just about every thread
on it, mostly with useless, unfunny, annoying posts. By the time I got to
this thread, the needle couldn't go any higher on the irritation meter.

> Good natured ribbing
> is fine; heck I do that every day here.

See preceeding paragraph.

> I like humor in the form of
> sarcasm, irony, silliness, and facetiousness.

Me too. When you've learned how to use them, feel free to join in.

> This is way more effort than I expected out of myself to try to get
> through to you that we should either "get along" or "move along". The
> choice is yours, Scott.

It is unimportant to me, Dave. You are the Wreck's whipping boy, a
position you have earned entirely through your own efforts. This thread
just happens to be my turn.

On 19 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Scott, take a lesson from Silvan, PLEASE!.

How would killfiling you change your status as the Wreck's resident
asshole?

>> Who, Dave? Is he still around? Wow, killfiles rock! :)

On 19 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:


>> How would killfiling you change your status as the Wreck's
>> resident asshole?

> Your premise is not based on fact. Sorry.

I don't see a stampede of posts arguing to the contrary. Other than
your own, of course.

I have seen any number of them confirming my position, however.

Renata,

I use www.lakeshorehardwoods.com as many do here in the Central NY area. He
ships and I believe he's taken lessons from Lee Valley too...;-) Great
company to do business with .... knows what a customer is and how to treat
them.

They have a fine selection of woods and the best cherry around. All kiln
dried to 6%-8% guaranteed and they do the drying themselves. Since I drive
to their location I've never looked at his mail order policies to see if
there's a minimum. Brian is his name - great person to deal with and I know
you'll like the wood. Give him a call

I just checked the site - no minimums. Although he doesn't state it on his
site, I've asked him before if he ships and he said yes. So give him a call
at (315) 298-6407.

Bob S.

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dope
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Literally, I did. But it was a facetious statement, not to be taken
>seriously.
>
Haven't you realized yet that you are the only one who found anything
facetious in your response to Renata?

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

options?

Give up woodworking.

Get a truck.

Move.

Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.


OR, just quit whining!


dave



Renata wrote:

> Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
> I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
> additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
> experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
> places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
> mills).
>
> I know about, but haven't dealt with Hartzell and Steve Wall. Once I
> tried to order some 6/4 or 8/4 cherry from Hartzell and they told me
> they didn't have it. I'm planning on checking out (and buying my 6
> or 8/4 cherry, some maple and walnut that I couldn't get at Advantage)
> Exotic Lumber in Gaithersburg Monday. Little pricy, but not as bad as
> others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
> bit more). Besides, I gotta check out their selection of exotics.
> There are other places in the DC area, but they are prohibitively
> expensive usually (Woodcraft, and so on).
>
> At this point I prefer to buy S2S1E, in quantities somewhat less than
> 200 board feet (10 of this, 20 of that, etc.)
>
> I live in the DC burbs, but do get up to the Harrisburg PA area,
> though that's gonna get less frequent. Don't have a truck at the
> moment, but can carry 8' rs in my car (just not too many of them).
>
> I think that ideally I'd like to find a place that has decent prices
> and will ship the stuff (like Advantage used to do). Second option
> would be a place not too far that has decent prices (like a mill
> maybe). I think there was a place in VA like this that I can't recall.
> I'm more reluctant with the second choice since I don't have a truck
> and would hate to drive a million miles to pick up my $12 ;-) worth of
> wood.
>
> What are some other options?
>
> Thanx
> Renata

Ya, you're right. A big boy would have called you a pompous ass.

Bay Area Dave wrote:

> Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.
>
> That's great form, Mike and shows a lot of class.
>
> Grow up! Learn to communicate like a big boy.
>
> dave
>
> Mike Alexander wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't
>>> that be the adult thing to do, rather than expect me to change into a
>>> clone of you; someone who wrote everything from YOUR viewpoint?
>>>
>>
>> No, I don't wish anyone to be a clone of me. Diversity is a wonderful
>> thing. But just because I don't want or expect you to be like me,
>> doesn't mean you have to be an ass.
>>
>> ...Mike
>>
>

I was following you right along until you got to the name calling.
Guess I DON'T recant anything of my first facetious post to you, AFTER
ALL! Way to go! You had so much support, like you were this delicate
little flower needing protection, then WHAM! you come out with guns blazing!

You remind me of plaintiffs who keep badgering the judge to see things
their way AFTER the judge has made it clear to the entire courtroom that
he/she is about to rule in the plaintiff's favor. That's BAD FORM! And
not too bright.

However, I shall not lower myself to your level and call you names, as
that is quite juvenile.

BTW, I don't recall saying that you shouldn't be woodworking! That's
quite a stretch from what I wrote. I said if you have a WW business and
have no way to get supplies, you shouldn't be belly-aching about it (I'm
paraphrasing here).

dave

Renata wrote:

> Dang, you mean 15 of the last 20 years when I didn't have a truck, but
> was ww'g, I shouldn't have been?
>
> Dang, you mean the last 14 years when I've lived in this most
> expensive of places, and didn't have a good local supplier, but
> managed to do some ww'g, I shouldn't have been?
>
> Dang, you mean all these times I've found obstacles, then ways around
> 'em, I shoulda just given up?
>
> Congratualtions, you have totally convinced me that you are indeed a
> complete A$$hole and abject idiot. I've been diminshing the number of
> your postings I actually open; you just made it downright easy - 0 it
> is!
>
> Renata
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:11 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>options?
>>
>>Give up woodworking.
>>
>>Get a truck.
>>
>>Move.
>>
>>Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>>
>>
>>OR, just quit whining!
>>
>>
>>dave
>>
>>
>>
>>Renata wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>>>I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>>>additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>>>experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>>>places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>>>mills).
>>>
>>>I know about, but haven't dealt with Hartzell and Steve Wall. Once I
>>>tried to order some 6/4 or 8/4 cherry from Hartzell and they told me
>>>they didn't have it. I'm planning on checking out (and buying my 6
>>>or 8/4 cherry, some maple and walnut that I couldn't get at Advantage)
>>>Exotic Lumber in Gaithersburg Monday. Little pricy, but not as bad as
>>>others, and I don't need much (2-6/4 * 7' * 4", 2-4/4 * 7' * 4" and a
>>>bit more). Besides, I gotta check out their selection of exotics.
>>>There are other places in the DC area, but they are prohibitively
>>>expensive usually (Woodcraft, and so on).
>>>
>>>At this point I prefer to buy S2S1E, in quantities somewhat less than
>>>200 board feet (10 of this, 20 of that, etc.)
>>>
>>>I live in the DC burbs, but do get up to the Harrisburg PA area,
>>>though that's gonna get less frequent. Don't have a truck at the
>>>moment, but can carry 8' rs in my car (just not too many of them).
>>>
>>>I think that ideally I'd like to find a place that has decent prices
>>>and will ship the stuff (like Advantage used to do). Second option
>>>would be a place not too far that has decent prices (like a mill
>>>maybe). I think there was a place in VA like this that I can't recall.
>>>I'm more reluctant with the second choice since I don't have a truck
>>>and would hate to drive a million miles to pick up my $12 ;-) worth of
>>>wood.
>>>
>>>What are some other options?
>>>
>>>Thanx
>>>Renata
>>
>

Making an erroneous statement is one thing; we all do that, but when you
have been put on notice that I didn't say what you attribute to me, then
you are a common LIAR. That's not a mistake. That is intentional,
although the ramifications of the lie itself is inconsequential, your
habit of lying about me is persistent. You have done this very same
thing more than several times during the past year.

Sparring can be fun, but you should at least try to project the image of
a man who was brought into this world by parents who had self respect
and taught their young the difference between right and wrong. Or did
you become a liar through now fault of your parents? Are you mentally
ill? There are people who lie about anything and everything. Those
people are called pathological liars.

Here's a little something for you to chew on:

Osric University
Applied Abnormal Psychology
Pathological Lying

What is a pathological liar?

A deliberate liar knows he is lying. A pathological liar may not.

Although there is no precise definition, certainly none defined by the
holiest of holies, the DSM-IV, we can state with certainty that it is a
person who tells lies incessantly. We can eliminate those who tell lies
in order to avoid extreme persecution. But those who consistently tell
lies, whether faced with punishment or not, may be considered
pathological. We must keep in mind that "pathological" simply means
abnormal, or grossly atypical...who among us has not told a lie? At what
point does such behavior become "pathological"?

In addition to the difficulty of distinguishing between the liar and the
pathological liar, we must also isolate this mental disturbance. Lying
is a characteristic of several other disorders as well, such as conduct
disorder (CD) and antisocial personality disorder (APD). CD, like many
reports of pathological lying, typically has its onset during
adolescence. Other behaviors may include inappropriate aggression,
destruction, and serious violations of rules and laws. And, as suggested
by some doctors, both pathological lying and CD may be caused by, shall
we say, challenging situations in the home. Or by a lack of seratonin,
in which case Prozac or Zoloft may help. Along with, of course,
expensive sessions of psychotherapy.


[NOTE: there were a number of spelling errors in the quoted text, so I
wonder about this site, but I'm too lazy to grab another quote for you,
Scottie, boy.]


You fit the profile; you lie incessantly. There MAY be hope for you, IF
you are willing to admit you have a problem. There are drugs, and
psychotherapy. Haven't I mentioned this to you before? IF not, I
apologize, as you obviously need some help with your affliction.

I'm serious. You have an emotional problem that can be cured, IF you
can admit it.

Amusing? YES, you CAN be amusing, but not in the context of lying about
me, or anyone else for that matter.

And I still say that a woodworker who makes a living at it, needs to
have the necessary tools and equipment or they are merely a "wanna-be".
I'm surely not in the "business". I'm doing my woodworking as a
hobby. When I DID run a business, you can bet I had everything
necessary. That would be eight years worth, BTW. Then an injury took
me away from it...

dave

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Scott you are a baldfaced LIAR!
>>
>>I have NEVER said that I was in the Navy. NOt here. Not anywhere.
>
>
> Hey, I could be wrong. These things happen. I thought you said it
> sometime back, but then, who could possibly keep track of every last bit of
> your blather? I apologize to the Navy for intimating they'd have you.
>
>
>>I DID see the USS Abraham Lincoln pull into port after duty in the Mid
>>East earlier this year.
>
>
> And did you have bananas on your cereal today?
>
>
>>You are hopelessy rude, disgusting, and a LIAR.
>
>
> I dunno, some people find me amusing. Although not nearly as many as
> find you to be an asshole.

Literally, I did. But it was a facetious statement, not to be taken
seriously.

I just LOVE all the name calling!

Thanks for sharing.

dave

Wood Butcher wrote:

> Well, let me help you to recall.
> You are NOT paraphrasing. You are either lying or are
> proving that you really are the complete idiot that many here
> believe you to be. It would really help your case if you took
> the time to read the drivel you had previously belched forth
> before rushing to insert your foot in your mouth yet again.
> But I suppose that would be too much of a strain for your
> brain cell, eh?
>
> Art
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
>>BTW, I don't recall saying that you shouldn't be woodworking! That's
>>quite a stretch from what I wrote. I said if you have a WW business and
>>have no way to get supplies, you shouldn't be belly-aching about it (I'm
>>paraphrasing here).
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:11 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>options?
>>>>
>>>>Give up woodworking.
>>>>
>>>>Get a truck.
>>>>
>>>>Move.
>>>>
>>>>Pick any ONE of the above to solve your problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OR, just quit whining!
>>>>
>
>
>

you ARE kidding, right?

dave

Jim Wilson wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>
>>Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.
>
>
> Um, where did he do that?!
>
> Not that there's anything WRONG with it. [tm Jerry Seinfeld]
>
> Jim

ah, you are fulfilling your calling as the perfect role model, I see!
I'm sure your momma is proud of you now! She taught you all the big
words, did she, like "pompous". Don't forget now, Jeffrey, that you
have to use a word THREE times to "own it".

dave

Jeff Zahnle wrote:

> Ya, you're right. A big boy would have called you a pompous ass.
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> Can't think of anything intelligent to say so you resort to name calling.
>>
>> That's great form, Mike and shows a lot of class.
>>
>> Grow up! Learn to communicate like a big boy.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> Mike Alexander wrote:
>>
>>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't
>>>> that be the adult thing to do, rather than expect me to change into
>>>> a clone of you; someone who wrote everything from YOUR viewpoint?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I don't wish anyone to be a clone of me. Diversity is a wonderful
>>> thing. But just because I don't want or expect you to be like me,
>>> doesn't mean you have to be an ass.
>>>
>>> ...Mike
>>>
>>
>

who would be as idiotic as YOU to push a lost cause? namely this STUPID
argument. Havent' you had enough, already? How about if I tell you NOW
that you can have the LAST WORD. would that satisfy your need to "win"
(I use the term loosely)?

enough...this is boring now...

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 19 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>
>>>How would killfiling you change your status as the Wreck's
>>>resident asshole?
>
>
>>Your premise is not based on fact. Sorry.
>
>
> I don't see a stampede of posts arguing to the contrary. Other than
> your own, of course.
>
> I have seen any number of them confirming my position, however.

Bay Area Dave wrote:
> Wouldn't
> that be the adult thing to do, rather than expect me to change into a
> clone of you; someone who wrote everything from YOUR viewpoint?
>

No, I don't wish anyone to be a clone of me. Diversity is a wonderful
thing. But just because I don't want or expect you to be like me,
doesn't mean you have to be an ass.

...Mike

Why did you assume I was in the Navy?

So tell me again why someone who whines about having a business without
the necessary equipment deserves your undying devotion? Or was someone
blowing smoke when they said the OP makes a living from WWing? I
believe YOU were the one who said it affects her LIVELIHOOD. So explain
to me in little words how a person who makes money woodworking doesn't
have a truck for hauling supplies, equipment, or whatever, comes on here
to whine about the lack thereof, complains about a $500 minimum that ONE
company she dealt with just instituted, and this causes you to fall all
over yourself to make it all better? If those details are inaccurate,
than someone has been less than truthful today, and it isn't me, Scotty.

and of COURSE I wouldn't look ME up for *sshole, as YOU were the one who
uses the foul language. YOu are so CLUELESS. A serious lack of reading
comprehension is making you look like a moron. :) Time to go sit on the
bench.

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>livelihood? A woodworker who plans on earning a buck and has NO
>>TRUCK?
>> That's convenient; and SMART!
>
>
> Dave, you are an idiot whose ignorance is exceeded only by his
> arrogance. What could you possibly know about it?
>
>
>>Maybe I'll become an astronaut; oh, I forgot; I get dizzy if I turn
>>around too fast.
>
>
> I think you are probably pretty dizzy just standing still. And
> anyway, they stopped sending chimps into space in the 1950's.
>
>
>>Scott, you are a major contributor of foul-mouthed posts, so I don't
>>know what the point is of you trying to deflect that criticism.
>>Everyone that reads the Wreck know who uses trailer-trash language
>>frequently and who almost NEVER resorts to that.
>
>
> And you were in the Navy? Unless you spent your entire time in the
> barrel, I would expect that experience would have made you a little less
> sensitive to colorful language.
>
>
>>You've used *ss and
>>s*it about 26 times...
>
>
> Who's counting? Oh... you.
>
>
>>'Course you being
>>the brain surgeon that you are would just Google on Bay Area Dave as
>>the author, and conclude quickly that I used those words, instead of
>>the previous poster.
>
>
> Uh, Dave, I just suggested that you might search on the phrases "Bay
> Area Dave + asshole." Not you as the author. "Bay Area Dave" as words in
> conjunction with the word asshole. I didn't actually try it. I came to
> the conclusion that you are an asshole long ago; I don't need anyone else
> to confirm it for me.
>
>
>>>>>And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still
>>>>>think you are an asshole.
>
>

Scott Cramer wrote:

> And yet, despite posts like this, there are people here who still think
> you are an asshole.

Who, Dave? Is he still around? Wow, killfiles rock! :)

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[email protected] (Renata) wrote:

>Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>mills).


Some time ago, a gent posted his experience using a folding trailer.
Did a quick google and maybe this is the thread. If not search a bit
more:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=vSiNa.35297%24926.3344%40sccrnsc03&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dharbor%2Bfreight%2Bfold%2Btrailer%2Bwood%2Brec.woodworking%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DvSiNa.35297%2524926.3344%2540sccrnsc03%26rnum%3D4

My pickup recently died and now I have a Saturn with a hitch on it.
I'll be buying a light trailer in 5x8 range to bring wood home. You
might want to think about a light trailer if your car can handle it.

Wes
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Lycos address is a spam trap.

WHAT???????????

You are going to do the VERY thing that several people lambasted me for
suggesting to you???

The moron bench should fill up quickly....



dave

Renata wrote:

> Thanx.
>
> Actually, I hope to buy a used truck sometime in the future as plans
> dictate a truck (well, make life lots easier and therefore justify the
> purchase a bit more).
>
> Did think about a hitch (and trailer) and may go that route (in
> addition to future truck?) as it'd tide me over (before th truck
> purchase) and be useful for attaching a bike carrier.
>
> Renata
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:56:23 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] (Renata) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Seems I gotta find me a new source for wood. So, I'll tell ya'll what
>>>I got in the way of suppliers, my situation, and ask y'all for any
>>>additional input or sources. This is mostly aboutyour personal
>>>experiences since I'm quite capable of a google search. Also, some
>>>places I'm thinking about might not be found using google (like
>>>mills).
>>
>>
>>Some time ago, a gent posted his experience using a folding trailer.
>>Did a quick google and maybe this is the thread. If not search a bit
>>more:
>>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=vSiNa.35297%24926.3344%40sccrnsc03&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dharbor%2Bfreight%2Bfold%2Btrailer%2Bwood%2Brec.woodworking%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DvSiNa.35297%2524926.3344%2540sccrnsc03%26rnum%3D4
>>
>>My pickup recently died and now I have a Saturn with a hitch on it.
>>I'll be buying a light trailer in 5x8 range to bring wood home. You
>>might want to think about a light trailer if your car can handle it.
>>
>>Wes
>>--
>>Reply to:
>>Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
>>Lycos address is a spam trap.
>
>