I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
remotely related to woodworking.
That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
I don't have a big problem with off topic posts --- humour, home
repair questions, auto stuff, things like that. But I do have a
problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
and religious orientation.
This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
Canadian politics, Aussies posting about Aussie politics or Brits
posting about British poliltics. Many of us may have strong feelings
about our native political scenes .. but we do not think they should
be aired in a group dedicated to woodworking.
Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise. I really don't care
what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
insight..
And the same goes for all the others.
Go start an American political debate newsgroup.
Ken
In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Theaters don't have fart filters.
>
> Charlie owes me a monitor and keyboard cleaning.
I'm VERY happy that I had nothing I mouth when I read his post.
;-)
<broadcast> People, learn to use your filters. If the software you're
using doesn't allow filters, then learn to skip the threads that aren't
of interest or on topic.
Anything else is a waste of *your* time.
</broadcast>
--
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who
In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Definately is a waist of there time, irregardless.
I feel your pane.
--
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who
Steve Peterson wrote:
> Sorry about that, but this is, in fact, a rather serious debate going on in
> the US. The religious right keeps trying to insert some form of creationism
> into school - the camel's nose in the doorway.
That is why there are plenty of newsgroups where the discussion would
be
on-topic.
It is not just the schools where the camel's noes is being thrust,
it is this ng too.
--
FF
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 7 Oct 2005 10:49:43 -0700, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Yes! I agree with you 100%, and think something should be done. Any
> > >ideas?
> > >
> > >JP
> >
> > Yeah, let's split the group.....
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Dave Hall
>
> Nahhh.. how about a moderator?
>
> *ducking*
Nah. Combine the two ideas. Two groups. Two moderators. Maybe ol'
Whatsisname and his girlfriend are available. The could take BOTH
groups and shift everyone back onto the page of woodworking
righteousness.
[email protected] wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2005 10:49:43 -0700, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes! I agree with you 100%, and think something should be done. Any
> >ideas?
> >
> >JP
>
>
>
> heh...
>
> since you give no indication who or what you are replying to, it's
> wide open....
Oh I was just being a little tongue in cheek. I play over on
rec.skiing.alpine some too, so I assure you I'm in no way offended by
off-topic postings.
> so, what should be done that you have agreed 100% to...
>
> revocation of independence?
Yes! I propose that *I* make the rules, you know benevolent dictator
and all.
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp
That site'll probably wipe out my hard drive or something, right?
JP
John wrote:
> Dream on Ken. The kooks have pretty much taken over, the self appointed
> experts on political, religious, domestic and world affairs, along with
> several people who are very successful as failed comedians. Most of the
> real woodworking types have long since bailed out.
I beg your pardon. I am a *professional* woodworker and I take offense
because almost everyone here knows more about woodworking than I do
including not building something too big to get out of your basement so
they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
think you're grammar is lousy too.
I'm killfiling you and every other webtv user in the world in
perpetuity.
JP
Upscale wrote:
> "Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
> > think you're grammar is lousy too.
>
> I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you take a
> little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
> spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
Whose trolling who?
JP
Guess who wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:01:46 GMT, "Steve Peterson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Sorry about that, but this is, in fact, a rather serious debate going on in
> >the US.
>
> Then post it in a serious US Politics forum. Why should people have
> to spend a day and a half searching for a topic on woodworking in a
> woodworking forum to please the whim of a few who excuse themselves
> sometimes by saying it's OT? It's like saying liudly that you're
> going to fart in a theater. Don't fart there. Do it somewhere else,
> like alt.politics.bush. If the issues are that serious talk to your
> congressman instead of ranting here. ...If you really do want some
> serious results that is. You'll get none here.
>
> Another thing that has already been mentioned. If the off-topic crap
> is stopped then some real woodworking people will return to the forum
> with some good ideas to offer. Instead, they leave in disgust.
Theaters don't have fart filters. Most ISPs offer filters that allow
EASY kill filing of OT messages.
[email protected] wrote:
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
Well, I guess it is now 9 of 78.
In article <lzz1f.8586$U%5.187@lakeread05>, "Jason Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bottom line: nobody's forcing you to read anything. Forte Agent has
>> excellent
>> killfile and filtering capabilities, I'm told. Perhaps you should learn to
>> use
>> them.
>
>So...by that logic, if I were to buy the house next door to you and blast
>obnoxious music all day, you wouldn't bitch, right? After all, you wouldn't
>be forced to listen - you could put in ear plugs, or go somewhere for a
>while.
Totally different circumstance, and I think you know that. People choose what
they do, or do not, read. It is impossible to avoid hearing sounds that are
above the threshold of audibility.
>
>The attitude you're expressing enables poor behavior.
Oh, come off it. The OP is complaining because he read something he didn't
like. Simple solution: don't read it.
>Jason
>
>
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
>
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp
>
>That site'll probably wipe out my hard drive or something, right?
>
>JP
snopes is an urban myth debunking site. it's vary safe to visit.
the item I linked to is a funny bit of email chain letter that claims
to be from John Cleese. it isn't, but it is funny. go read it ...
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:56:23 -0500, Jason Quick <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bottom line: nobody's forcing you to read anything. Forte Agent has
>> excellent
>> killfile and filtering capabilities, I'm told. Perhaps you should learn to
>> use
>> them.
>
> So...by that logic, if I were to buy the house next door to you and blast
> obnoxious music all day, you wouldn't bitch, right? After all, you wouldn't
> be forced to listen - you could put in ear plugs, or go somewhere for a
> while.
Um, no. It's more like: You're walking down the street, and see a bar
with lots of motorcycles, and people with leather jackets walking in and
out.l You choose to go in. Once you're in, you announce to the crowd
that you just can't stand bikers.
> The attitude you're expressing enables poor behavior.
Complaining about something that's clearly marked, easily avoided, and
that you yourself choose to read, is also poor behavior. Me, I don't
see any value in widely crossposted threads, so I configured my
newsreader to silently ignore them for me. I also don't see any value
coming from certain posters, so I likewise configured my newsreader to
silently ignore them for me. It's really not complicated, and helps to
improve what I see as the signal:noise ratio. Someone's off-topic
message? Maybe noise. Someone bitching about reading something
off-topic, when they could easily avoid doing so in any one of many
methods? Definately noise.
Dave Hinz
Upscale wrote:
>
> "Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
> > think you're grammar is lousy too.
>
> I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you take a
> little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
> spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
Here that should be your plane...altho I admit to getting sucked into
the ID thread, all it really takes is marking one or two threads to be
ignored and one will see virtually none if one doesn't wish to. That
said, I resolve to bite my toungue from now on out despite how absurd
Tim and Fletis become... :)
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
I also get frustrated with the number of posts off topic. Can you kill
topics/posters or leave the group? Sure, but I decided to check out what the
rec.woodworking FAQ said is the purpose of the group. Below is what I
found. It seems reasonable to try to remind people (using self policing) to
try to remain on the topic of woodworking 90% of the time.
"This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
(ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of friends
over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your life,
like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur you
just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.
Please DO NOT post off topic. If you *MUST* make an off topic post, please
preface the subject with "[OT]", so those who are not interested in OT posts
can skip them."
The above was pulled from searching rec.woodworking with Google. There is
also a FAQ at http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/. I tried to see if the theme
of the FAQ included non-woodworking topics -- it was all woodworking.
-- Mark
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
> think you're grammar is lousy too.
I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you take a
little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Upscale wrote:
>> "Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
>> > think you're grammar is lousy too.
>>
>> I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you
>> take a
>> little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
>> spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
>
> Whose trolling who?
>
> JP
And this should be: "Who's trolling whom?"
>
no(SPAM)vasys wrote:
> David wrote:
>
>> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Definately is a waist of there time, irregardless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel your pane.
>>>
>> Me two.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Awl write buoys, nock it off!
>
Hay, is that any weigh too tock?
Dave
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
>>>think you're grammar is lousy too.
>>
>>I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you take a
>>little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
>>spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
>
>
> hehehehe... speaking of canadian politics....nyuk, nyuk
1$ billion with a "B" CDN for a gun registration plan that does not work.
And a bend over policy towards the natives ...
Yep, I want to move to the frozen north.
On 10/7/2005 1:42 PM [email protected] mumbled something about the
following:
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
So you start another Off Topic thread. You just increased the noise to
signal ratio.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7
SENS(less)
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
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David wrote:
> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Definately is a waist of there time, irregardless.
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel your pane.
>>
> Me two.
>
> Dave
Awl write buoys, nock it off!
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
(Remove -SPAM- to send email)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
> following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
> useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
> political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
Simple solution. Do not read what you do not want to read.
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
Sounds like it is actually getting better. You should have checked it out a
few years ago.
>
> I don't have a big problem with off topic posts --- humour, home
> repair questions, auto stuff, things like that. But I do have a
> problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
> and religious orientation.
I have a problem with auto stuff and home repair. Nothing in life is
perfect.
>
> This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
> Canadian politics, Aussies posting about Aussie politics or Brits
> posting about British poliltics. Many of us may have strong feelings
> about our native political scenes .. but we do not think they should
> be aired in a group dedicated to woodworking.
If you have not seen Canadians post about Canadian politics you have not
been around long enough. So you speek for all Canadians regarding politics
on this news group? I certainly do not think so.
>
> Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
> to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
Perhaps you should go to a nother news group if you do not like it here.
Put up or shut up.
>
> I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
> woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise.
Actually Tom Watson has been as likely to initiate politics or tell a cutsey
story as talk wood working.
I really don't care
> what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
> as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
> insight..
We agree on this point.
[email protected] wrote:
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
> following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
> useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
> political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
>
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
>
> I don't have a big problem with off topic posts --- humour, home
> repair questions, auto stuff, things like that. But I do have a
> problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
> and religious orientation.
>
> This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
> Canadian politics, Aussies posting about Aussie politics or Brits
> posting about British poliltics. Many of us may have strong feelings
> about our native political scenes .. but we do not think they should
> be aired in a group dedicated to woodworking.
>
> Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
> to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
>
> I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
> woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise. I really don't care
> what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
> as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
> insight..
>
> And the same goes for all the others.
>
> Go start an American political debate newsgroup.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
Aussie Politics,
John Howard s Father was a master carpenter.
with one screw
he built a
5'10"
shit house.
:)
regards
John
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:42:44 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
>to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
So, let's see. You whine about the signal to noise ratio while not
only increasing it further (or reducing it, depending on how you
define it), but you neglect to label it as Off Topic in order that
those of us smart enough to ignore those things that annoy us could
ignore it.
What a tool (obligatory on-topic reference). I'm now ignoring you.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whose trolling who?
Who's trolling?
In article <[email protected]>,
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > they all must be extremely competent and your just plain wrong and I
> > think you're grammar is lousy too.
>
> I suggest that if you're going to critique anyone's grammar, that you take a
> little longer to check some of your own language skills too, such as
> spelling. It's "you're plain wrong" not "your plain wrong".
hehehehe... speaking of canadian politics....nyuk, nyuk
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
> following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
> useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
> political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
I'm a Canadian as well. I find that I get a more complete picture of
some of the Wreck's members when they volunteer their views on a variety
of topics. Sometimes a simple statement by somebody leads me to follow
up on my own, and I have discovered some really cool stuff that way.
(Thanks for the lead on the topic of tea, Ed.)
>
[snipped for brevity]
> But I do have a
> problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
> and religious orientation.
>
It makes this Wreck what it is. Diverse. I couldn't handle only reading
about water stones vs oil stones. I also like to hear about kidney
stones and Rolling Stones.
[snip]
>
> Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
> to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
My problem, Ken, is that most of my friends and relatives are Americans.
I live, literally, 5 minutes from an American White Castle. American
politics have always intrigued me. I'm therefore informed on the current
state of the union.... and I don't get my news from a painfully biased
outlet like Fox. I will stay up on election night if it is a US
election. I cannot stay up and watch a canadian ballot count...it puts
me to sleep.
>
> I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
> woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise. I really don't care
> what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
> as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
> insight..
Ken, when somebody like Tom Watson opens his well-worn Thesaurus up for
us, I read what he has to say. I had NO idea he was a liberal. ( I think
I'll give him a nick-name: Thesaurus Rex) It surprised me. He likes the
same music as Swingman... another thing that caught me by surprise.
The list of surprises is endless. But I like to think that I have a
pretty good idea who's what around here. Other than that, I couldn't
give a rat's ass about what anybody thinks about me or anybody else....
well... other than Larry Jaques. What Larry thinks of me is
important..in a sick sort of way. <G>
In article <[email protected]>,
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Theaters don't have fart filters.
Charlie owes me a monitor and keyboard cleaning.
.
.
.
.
.
.
....damn, that struck me a very funny.
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2005 10:49:43 -0700, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes! I agree with you 100%, and think something should be done. Any
> >ideas?
> >
> >JP
>
> Yeah, let's split the group.....
>
> ;-)
>
> Dave Hall
Nahhh.. how about a moderator?
*ducking*
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (John) wrote:
> Dream on Ken. The kooks have pretty much taken over, the self appointed
> experts on political, religious, domestic and world affairs, along with
> several people who are very successful as failed comedians. Most of the
> real woodworking types have long since bailed out.
That's a downright unfair thing to say. When people have an opinion,
that doesn't make them 'self appointed experts' any more than you
pecking away at your WebTV make you a computer expert.
There are plenty of real woodworking types that make regular appearances
here.
>Most of the
> real woodworking types have long since bailed out.
You mean the ones who saw things your way?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
.
>
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Is you post part of the 89% of
the 11%. Please clarify.
Sorry about that, but this is, in fact, a rather serious debate going on in
the US. The religious right keeps trying to insert some form of creationism
into school - the camel's nose in the doorway. I thought these threads had
about died out a few days ago, but they have come roaring back. Don't read
them. Kill the thread. This too shall pass.
By the way, I am working on a rocking horse. Little parts with curves
everywhere - the guy who developed the plans must sell sandpaper. So I need
to get away from it, now and again.
Steve
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
> following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
> useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
> political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
>
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
>
> I don't have a big problem with off topic posts --- humour, home
> repair questions, auto stuff, things like that. But I do have a
> problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
> and religious orientation.
>
> This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
> Canadian politics, Aussies posting about Aussie politics or Brits
> posting about British poliltics. Many of us may have strong feelings
> about our native political scenes .. but we do not think they should
> be aired in a group dedicated to woodworking.
>
> Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
> to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
>
> I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
> woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise. I really don't care
> what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
> as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
> insight..
>
> And the same goes for all the others.
>
> Go start an American political debate newsgroup.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:10:35 -0400, "no(SPAM)vasys"
<"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net> wrote:
>David wrote:
>
>> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Definately is a waist of there time, irregardless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel your pane.
>>>
>> Me two.
>>
>> Dave
>
>Awl write buoys, nock it off!
Awe, if yew say sew
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Awe, if yew say sew
>
Ewe spelled ewe wrong, That should have set a belle off
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[snip]
>This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
>Canadian politics [...]
No, but there are a few Canadians that post about American politics here...
>Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
>to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
As noted, it's not just the Americans at fault.
And, for what it's worth, _your_own_ post increases the ratio of noise to
signal.
Bottom line: nobody's forcing you to read anything. Forte Agent has excellent
killfile and filtering capabilities, I'm told. Perhaps you should learn to use
them.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:01:46 GMT, "Steve Peterson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Sorry about that, but this is, in fact, a rather serious debate going on in
>the US.
Then post it in a serious US Politics forum. Why should people have
to spend a day and a half searching for a topic on woodworking in a
woodworking forum to please the whim of a few who excuse themselves
sometimes by saying it's OT? It's like saying liudly that you're
going to fart in a theater. Don't fart there. Do it somewhere else,
like alt.politics.bush. If the issues are that serious talk to your
congressman instead of ranting here. ...If you really do want some
serious results that is. You'll get none here.
Another thing that has already been mentioned. If the off-topic crap
is stopped then some real woodworking people will return to the forum
with some good ideas to offer. Instead, they leave in disgust.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>
> Hay! This is a woodworking group, eye was trying two keep it on topic.
Oh Kay your write. Eye though maybe ewe just wanted to bear your sole
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:25:02 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Awe, if yew say sew
>>
>
>Ewe spelled ewe wrong, That should have set a belle off
>
Hay! This is a woodworking group, eye was trying two keep it on topic.
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Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Definately is a waist of there time, irregardless.
>
>
> I feel your pane.
>
Me two.
Dave
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bottom line: nobody's forcing you to read anything. Forte Agent has
> excellent
> killfile and filtering capabilities, I'm told. Perhaps you should learn to
> use
> them.
So...by that logic, if I were to buy the house next door to you and blast
obnoxious music all day, you wouldn't bitch, right? After all, you wouldn't
be forced to listen - you could put in ear plugs, or go somewhere for a
while.
The attitude you're expressing enables poor behavior.
Jason
On 7 Oct 2005 10:49:43 -0700, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Yes! I agree with you 100%, and think something should be done. Any
>ideas?
>
>JP
Yeah, let's split the group.....
;-)
Dave Hall
On 7 Oct 2005 10:49:43 -0700, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Yes! I agree with you 100%, and think something should be done. Any
>ideas?
>
>JP
heh...
since you give no indication who or what you are replying to, it's
wide open....
so, what should be done that you have agreed 100% to...
revocation of independence?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp
[email protected] wrote:
> I'm a lurker -- a Canadian somewhat interested in woodworking. Been
> following the wreck for a year or so --- started out getting some
> useful information ... but I'm getting tired watching all the
> political ideologues take over the wreck for the past few months.
>
> Out of curiousity this morning, I hit "get unread messages" ... in
> the past half dozen hours, there were 77 posts, 9 of which were even
> remotely related to woodworking.
>
> That's an eleven percent signal to noise ratio.
>
> I don't have a big problem with off topic posts --- humour, home
> repair questions, auto stuff, things like that. But I do have a
> problem with the overhwhelming number of posts with U.S. political
> and religious orientation.
>
> This is an international forum. I don't see Canadians posting about
> Canadian politics, Aussies posting about Aussie politics or Brits
> posting about British poliltics. Many of us may have strong feelings
> about our native political scenes .. but we do not think they should
> be aired in a group dedicated to woodworking.
>
> Perhaps you Americans could give the rest of us a break. If you want
> to argue politics, do it somewhere more appropriate.
>
> I'm interested in what Tom Watson, for example, thin ks about
> woodworking; he has demonstratable expertise. I really don't care
> what he thinks about politics or the state of the universe -- as far
> as I can see, he has no credentials that would suggest any particular
> insight..
>
> And the same goes for all the others.
>
> Go start an American political debate newsgroup.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
Let me know how you propose to prevent these OT posts (of which this is
one <g> )
Dave
"Jason Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lzz1f.8586$U%5.187@lakeread05...
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bottom line: nobody's forcing you to read anything. Forte Agent has
>> excellent
>> killfile and filtering capabilities, I'm told. Perhaps you should learn
>> to use
>> them.
>
> So...by that logic, if I were to buy the house next door to you and blast
> obnoxious music all day, you wouldn't bitch, right? After all, you
> wouldn't be forced to listen - you could put in ear plugs, or go
> somewhere for a while.
Piss poor example. You compare behavior that is socially unacceptable and
most likely against the law to something that is easily filtered.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Steve Peterson wrote:
>> Sorry about that, but this is, in fact, a rather serious debate going on
>> in
>> the US. The religious right keeps trying to insert some form of
>> creationism
>> into school - the camel's nose in the doorway.
>
> That is why there are plenty of newsgroups where the discussion would
> be
> on-topic.
>
> It is not just the schools where the camel's noes is being thrust,
> it is this ng too.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
I think the camel is all the way in in this NG