DE-Rusting tools a bad way.... courtesy of Nick Engle.

On Oct 30, 2:54=C2=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2:34=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 1:56=C2=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Oct 30, 1:35=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 30, 12:55=C2=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they =
must
> > > > > have good habits. =C2=A0If not, there's a whole drawer full of sk=
etchy
> > > > > knives they can play with. =C2=A0This goes for adults as well as =
kids.
>
> > > > Sketchy? Do you go to my kid's high school? <G> Sketchy is NOT a wo=
rd
> > > > that means what you think it means, Rico.
>
> > > Arguing semantics with me is like arguing with the dictionary.
>
> > > sketch=C2=B7y=E2=80=82 =E2=80=82/=CB=88sk=C9=9Bt=CA=83i/
> > > =E2=80=93adjective,sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7er, sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7est.
> > > 1. like a sketch; giving only outlines or essentials.
> > > 2. imperfect, incomplete, slight, or superficial: a sketchy meal.
>
> > > or a thesaurus
>
> > > thesaurus results
> > > Main Entry: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sketchy
> > > Part of Speech: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 adjective
> > > Definition: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rough, incomplete
> > > Synonyms: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 coarse, crude, cursory, defective, dep=
thless, faulty,
> > > imperfect, inadequate, insufficient, introductory, outline,
> > > perfunctory, preliminary, scrappy, shallow, skimpy, slight,
> > > superficial, uncritical, unfinished, vague
>
> > > At least six of those synonyms apply to the word as I used it. =C2=A0=
Maybe
> > > there is hope for the younger generation. =C2=A0;)
>
> > > As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
> > > blessing...and a curse."
>
> > Oh, its usage may be correct (legal) but it's still lame.
> > And that is where the legalistic 'word' communities falls flat on
> > their faces. Many need to learn the difference between what is
> > accurate and legal, and what is appropriate. The hip and cool use
> > words like sketchy which is why I wondered why you selected it.
>
> I am neither hip nor cool. =C2=A0

Now we have that out of the way....

>Sketch and sketchy are words that have
> been around for a long, long time. =C2=A0The fact that you have some
> preconceived notion of what the word means, and when it came into
> common usage, is at odds with the accepted definitions, its history
> and derivation. =C2=A0I am not using a word based on your offspring's hig=
h
> school usage in some northern colloquially-challenged clime, but using
> it as God, the Dutch, Italians, Latin and Greek languages originally
> intended it. =C2=A0The English word sketch came into use in the 17th
> century, and it basically means a rough work or roughly made.
>
Hence SketchUp. But some guys here think it is sick, rad, and sweet.
Or am I being redic?

On Oct 29, 11:55=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I'm with you on germophobia a la Howard Hughes. But kids can't be
> guaranteed to always put away knives cleaned and dried nor can all
> adults.
> From that perspective alone, I like the OP's consideration of
> alternatives.

My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they must
have good habits. If not, there's a whole drawer full of sketchy
knives they can play with. This goes for adults as well as kids.

R

On Oct 30, 12:55=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 11:55=A0pm, "Edward =A0Hennessey" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm with you on germophobia a la Howard Hughes. But kids can't be
> > guaranteed to always put away knives cleaned and dried nor can all
> > adults.
> > From that perspective alone, I like the OP's consideration of
> > alternatives.
>
> My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they must
> have good habits. =A0If not, there's a whole drawer full of sketchy
> knives they can play with. =A0This goes for adults as well as kids.
>
> R

Sketchy? Do you go to my kid's highschool? <G> Sketchy is NOT a word
that means what you think it means, Rico.

On Oct 30, 12:34=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> their hands after using the restroom. =A0We're stranded until someone
> else comes in!

Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
the waste basket as you exit.

R

On Oct 29, 1:58=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> It's an organic rot.

I have absolutely NO idea why, but it took me 10 minutes to get the
tears out of my eyes from laughing so hard.
Some shit just hits me funny.
It's a keeper.

"It's an organic rot."

rich... real rich.

On Oct 30, 9:34=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> > I don't rip off a piece of the towel. =A0And if the company was not
> > bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
> > on the floor. =A0If enough people would do this even the dimmest janito=
r
> > will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> > should be everywhere.
>
> But what do you do when the response to this is to remove the towel
> dispenser and replace it with one of the hot-air thingies?

He pisses on the floor.

R

RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote in news:8c109bff-bd16-4217-a17b-
[email protected]:

*snip*

>
> Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
> bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.
>
> R

My favorite is the automatic soap dispenser. How conveinent that pressing
on the germy handle puts soap in your hands to kill the germs.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

<[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the
> towel
> on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest
> janitor
> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> should be everywhere.
-----------------------------------------
Brilliant NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when is the person performing the janitorial services set policy
on rest rooms?

Lew

On 2010-10-30 13:56:34 -0400, RicodJour <[email protected]> said:

> As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
> blessing...and a curse."
>
> R

Yeah? well, you missed this one:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sketchy&defid=64361

"Robatoy" wrote:

> Legalists aren't aware that language is very much
alive.,,,, that and the fact that the Urban Dictionary is not a legit
source (unlike Wiki which is) LOL
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In article <[email protected]>,
J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
> > bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
> > on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
> > will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> > should be everywhere.

> But what do you do when the response to this is to remove the towel
> dispenser and replace it with one of the hot-air thingies?

Become a Muslim. They only eat with their right hand and only wipe their
arses with their left - at least - I think it's that way round.

So, by extrapolation, you only open the exit door with your left hand. :-)

On Oct 30, 11:51=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/30/10 10:09 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 8:05 am, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 , RicodJour<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> On Oct 30, Larry Jaques<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >>>> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> >>>> their hands after using the restroom. =A0We're stranded until someon=
e
> >>>> else comes in!
>
> >>> Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
> >>> the waste basket as you exit.
>
> >> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. =A0And if the company was not
> >> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
> >> on the floor. =A0If enough people would do this even the dimmest janit=
or
> >> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> >> should be everywhere.
>
> > So you make it annoying for everyone else using the bathroom so you
> > can make a point to management?
> > Yeah, just piss on the floor - it's the same thing.
>
> > R
>
> Or gee, I don't know, maybe =A0t a l k =A0to the management about it.
> No, that would be completely unreasonable.
>
Orrrr one could protest in the most violent, Canadian way possible:
write a letter.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:13:26 -0400, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
wrote:

>I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid of
>rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
>reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
>I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think I
>could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just oil
>and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink of the potato
>solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the stink.
>
>I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
>etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks.
>
>Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.

It's an organic rot. Bleach will kill it, ammonia might, and lemon
juice might.

Have you made the potato-based doll of Nick Engle yet? How many pins
will it hold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoAXW30mMAg

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

On Oct 29, 11:13=A0am, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid of
> rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
> reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
> I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think I
> could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just oil
> and elbow grease. =A0The biggest downside is the stink of the potato
> solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the stink.
>
> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
> etc... =A0nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks=
.
>
> Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.

If you used molasses, they'd smell like rum.

http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/rust_molasses.htm

Molasses is a strong chelation agent, meaning it has a
strong affinity for certain inorganics, in this case iron. That's
why black strap is one of the best sources of dietary
iron.

On Oct 29, 11:25=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 10/29/10 11:13 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid of
> > rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
> > reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
> > I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think I
> > could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just oil
> > and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink of the potato
> > solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the stink.
>
> > I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol=
,
> > etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks.
>
> > Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.
>
> Soak them in gravy.
> :-)

Or melt some cheese on them.

R

On Oct 30, 1:35=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 12:55=C2=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they must
> > have good habits. =C2=A0If not, there's a whole drawer full of sketchy
> > knives they can play with. =C2=A0This goes for adults as well as kids.
>
>
> Sketchy? Do you go to my kid's high school? <G> Sketchy is NOT a word
> that means what you think it means, Rico.

Arguing semantics with me is like arguing with the dictionary.

sketch=C2=B7y=E2=80=82 =E2=80=82/=CB=88sk=C9=9Bt=CA=83i/
=E2=80=93adjective,sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7er, sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7est.
1. like a sketch; giving only outlines or essentials.
2. imperfect, incomplete, slight, or superficial: a sketchy meal.

or a thesaurus

thesaurus results
Main Entry: sketchy
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: rough, incomplete
Synonyms: coarse, crude, cursory, defective, depthless, faulty,
imperfect, inadequate, insufficient, introductory, outline,
perfunctory, preliminary, scrappy, shallow, skimpy, slight,
superficial, uncritical, unfinished, vague

At least six of those synonyms apply to the word as I used it. Maybe
there is hope for the younger generation. ;)

As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
blessing...and a curse."

R

On Oct 30, 8:05=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 , RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Oct 30, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> >> their hands after using the restroom. =A0We're stranded until someone
> >> else comes in!
>
> >Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
> >the waste basket as you exit.
>
>
> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. =A0And if the company was not
> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
> on the floor. =A0If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> should be everywhere.

So you make it annoying for everyone else using the bathroom so you
can make a point to management?
Yeah, just piss on the floor - it's the same thing.

R

On Oct 29, 2:02=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
> trouble
> endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a great
> bacterial
> reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect or
> autoclave
> your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition, you're
> all good.

Please explain how a wood in a cutting board has anti bacterial
properties, but when it's made into knife storage, it becomes a death
trap.

Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.

R

>
> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
> etc... =A0nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks=
.

Use charcoal briquetts. Just grind them up into a powder and coat the
tools with them. After 24 hours clean and rinse. The charcoal has some
kind of negative charge or something that sucks up smells. I think it
would work just to pile them all in a closed box together for a few
days with no powderizing.

Can use briquetts to get rid of cat piss oder, etc. But don't use
after.

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Oct 29, 2:02 pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
> trouble
> endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a
> great
> bacterial
> reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect
> or
> autoclave
> your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition,
> you're
> all good.

Please explain how a wood in a cutting board has anti bacterial
properties, but when it's made into knife storage, it becomes a death
trap.

Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.

R

R:

I'm with you on germophobia a la Howard Hughes. But kids can't be
guaranteed to always put away knives cleaned and dried nor can all
adults.
From that perspective alone, I like the OP's consideration of
alternatives.

A quick search of the web--which measures the extent of my
interest--said wooden
cutting blocks absorb water from bacteria in the process of killing
them.
An assumption would be that this process more readily occurs on a
cutting
board surface freely exposed to both light and air than it would in a
blind slot
on a standard knife block. It is also much easier for any observer to
discern whether a cutting
board is wet, dirty or greasy and remedy that than it would be with a
dark trap
like a blind wooden slot which, if also greasy, will be less
effective at dessicating bacteria.

This culinary link contains a discussion that tangentially touches on
the topic,
making some reference to alternative products offered by Lee Valley,
including
a magnetic one that may interest the originator of the question:
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?/topic/131749-cleaning-wood-knife-blocks/

At
http://www.agrussell.com/ag-russell-knife-block-and-cutting-board/p/KAL-KBW/
an interesting hollow plastic block is offered which apparently can be
cleaned in a dishwasher.

And, not to neglect the legacy of Howard, a UV-irradiated, metal knife
block is out there,
perhaps one step too far.

Regards,

EH

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:56:30 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>On Oct 29, 10:28 pm, "Edward Hennessey"
>><[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>
>>People that put away wet and dirty knives should not cook...or
>>procreate.
>>
>>A Skoptic would say that preventing that last excercise is the best
>>use for knives.
>
> Lorena, honey, is that you?
>
> --
> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

LJ:

You, sir, have renovated the reference of the bard with
part for heart:

Marcus Antonius:
For Brutus, as you know, was Caesar's angel.
Judge, O you gods, how dearly Caesar lov'd him!
This was the most unkindest cut of all;
For when the noble Caesar saw him stab,
Ingratitude, more strong than traitors' arms,
Quite vanquish'd him: then burst his mighty
heart. . . .


Julius Caesar Act 3, scene 2, 181-186

Even wierder was the dating darling the bobbed one
became after his, uh, um, "resextion".

Regards,

EH

RicodJour <[email protected]> writes:
>On Oct 29, 2:02=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>> Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
>> trouble
>> endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a great
>> bacterial
>> reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect or
>> autoclave
>> your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition, you're
>> all good.
>
>Please explain how a wood in a cutting board has anti bacterial
>properties, but when it's made into knife storage, it becomes a death
>trap.

Plus, who puts dirty knives back in the block? I assume most people
wash them first.

scott

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 30, 12:34 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> >> their hands after using the restroom.  We're stranded until someone
> >> else comes in!
> >
> >Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
> >the waste basket as you exit.
> >
> >R
>
> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
> on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
> should be everywhere.

But what do you do when the response to this is to remove the towel
dispenser and replace it with one of the hot-air thingies?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 12:34 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> >> their hands after using the restroom.  We're stranded until someone
> >> else comes in!
> >
> > Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in the
> > waste basket as you exit.
> >
>
> That is just another symptom of the bacterial paranoia that seems to be
> prevalent today. It's gotten so bad that doctors are worrying that
> children aren't getting exposed to enough germs to build up their immune
> systems.
>
> I check all the soap we buy to ensure that it *isn't* anti-bacterial. I
> don't want to be part of breeding better germs :-).

America, the land of the chicken. Says something about how well we live
though--in most of the rest of the world "bacteria in knife block" is so
far down on the list of ways to come to grief that even mentioning it
would get one laughed out of the venue.

Think this guy <http://metaljockey.smugmug.com/photos/198550796-L.jpg>
is worried about germs in his knife block (full story at
<http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269251&page=3>)? How
about this kid (walking three days to the clinic with a bone sticking
out of his arm) <http://metaljockey.smugmug.com/photos/198507184-L.jpg>
(same story, this installment
<http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269251&page=5>).

A "chelator" and "source" are opposites.

Chelator is typically when an amino acid bonds to a mineral and the mineral
becomes inaccessible for usage.



"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6970efb3-39b7-4bb7-a633-ef478d9ff272@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
If you used molasses, they'd smell like rum.

http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/rust_molasses.htm

Molasses is a strong chelation agent, meaning it has a
strong affinity for certain inorganics, in this case iron. That's
why black strap is one of the best sources of dietary
iron.



On Oct 29, 11:13 am, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid of
> rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
> reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
> I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think I
> could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just oil
> and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink of the potato
> solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the stink.
>
> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
> etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks.
>
> Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.

"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid
>of rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
>reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
> I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think
> I could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just
> oil and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink of the
> potato solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the
> stink.
>
> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone,
> alchohol, etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it
> still stinks.
>
> Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.

Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
trouble
endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a great
bacterial
reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect or
autoclave
your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition, you're
all good.

Aside, when Carl Linnaeus first grouped bacteria and viruses, he put
them under the taxonomic
heading "Chaos".

Regards,

EH

"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid
>>of rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
>>reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>>
>> I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I
>> think I could have gotten the same results without the potatoes
>> using just oil and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink
>> of the potato solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of
>> the stink.
>>
>> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone,
>> alchohol, etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after
>> it still stinks.
>>
>> Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.
>

Egads and oops. Apologies to all for a misplaced reply which will be
relocated
momentarily.

Regards,

EH

What dialect of Engrish puts a "hyphen" character in the middle of a word
before a prefix "unschooled" Mr. Dictionary, other than "co-op"?


One more question.
Why do you keep changing nicknames in the Usenet groups?



"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In any event, I have a drawer of sketchy knives that visitors,
children and other un-schooled interlopers are welcome to use and
abuse. Touch my good knives (or chisels) and I'll hurt you.

R

That's a great idea. Thanks.

On 10/29/2010 12:23 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
>> etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks.
>
> Use charcoal briquetts. Just grind them up into a powder and coat the
> tools with them. After 24 hours clean and rinse. The charcoal has some
> kind of negative charge or something that sucks up smells. I think it
> would work just to pile them all in a closed box together for a few
> days with no powderizing.
>
> Can use briquetts to get rid of cat piss oder, etc. But don't use
> after.

On Oct 29, 10:28=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I have never heard that wood has antibacterial properties. Or plastic.

Plastic does not, wood does. Check the link to the research in the
cutting board thread.

> The point that was perhaps not acutely made is that if knives are ever
> put away
> wet--or dirty--in a dark trap like a slot, it would follow that the
> chances of bacterial
> formation increase as does likelihood of corrosion in certain blade
> steel.

People that put away wet and dirty knives should not cook...or
procreate.

R

On Oct 30, 1:56=C2=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:35=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 12:55=C2=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they must
> > > have good habits. =C2=A0If not, there's a whole drawer full of sketch=
y
> > > knives they can play with. =C2=A0This goes for adults as well as kids=
.
>
> > Sketchy? Do you go to my kid's high school? <G> Sketchy is NOT a word
> > that means what you think it means, Rico.
>
> Arguing semantics with me is like arguing with the dictionary.
>
> sketch=C2=B7y=E2=80=82 =E2=80=82/=CB=88sk=C9=9Bt=CA=83i/
> =E2=80=93adjective,sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7er, sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7est.
> 1. like a sketch; giving only outlines or essentials.
> 2. imperfect, incomplete, slight, or superficial: a sketchy meal.
>
> or a thesaurus
>
> thesaurus results
> Main Entry: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sketchy
> Part of Speech: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 adjective
> Definition: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rough, incomplete
> Synonyms: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 coarse, crude, cursory, defective, depthle=
ss, faulty,
> imperfect, inadequate, insufficient, introductory, outline,
> perfunctory, preliminary, scrappy, shallow, skimpy, slight,
> superficial, uncritical, unfinished, vague
>
> At least six of those synonyms apply to the word as I used it. =C2=A0Mayb=
e
> there is hope for the younger generation. =C2=A0;)
>
> As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
> blessing...and a curse."
>
> R

Oh, its usage may be correct (legal) but it's still lame.
And that is where the legalistic 'word' communities falls flat on
their faces. Many need to learn the difference between what is
accurate and legal, and what is appropriate. The hip and cool use
words like sketchy which is why I wondered why you selected it.

On Oct 30, 10:36=A0pm, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2010-10-30 13:56:34 -0400, RicodJour <[email protected]> said:
>
> > As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
> > blessing...and a curse."
>
> > R
>
> Yeah? well, you missed this one:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php=
?term=3DSketchy&defid=3D64361

Leave Rico be.<G> Legalists aren't aware that language is very much
alive.,,,, that and the fact that the Urban Dictionary is not a legit
source (unlike Wiki which is) LOL

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Oct 30, 12:34 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
>> their hands after using the restroom.  We're stranded until someone
>> else comes in!
>
>Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
>the waste basket as you exit.
>
>R

I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
should be everywhere.

On Oct 30, 2:34=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:56=C2=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 1:35=C2=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Oct 30, 12:55=C2=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > My perspective is that if they want to use the good knives, they mu=
st
> > > > have good habits. =C2=A0If not, there's a whole drawer full of sket=
chy
> > > > knives they can play with. =C2=A0This goes for adults as well as ki=
ds.
>
> > > Sketchy? Do you go to my kid's high school? <G> Sketchy is NOT a word
> > > that means what you think it means, Rico.
>
> > Arguing semantics with me is like arguing with the dictionary.
>
> > sketch=C2=B7y=E2=80=82 =E2=80=82/=CB=88sk=C9=9Bt=CA=83i/
> > =E2=80=93adjective,sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7er, sketch=C2=B7i=C2=B7est.
> > 1. like a sketch; giving only outlines or essentials.
> > 2. imperfect, incomplete, slight, or superficial: a sketchy meal.
>
> > or a thesaurus
>
> > thesaurus results
> > Main Entry: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sketchy
> > Part of Speech: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 adjective
> > Definition: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rough, incomplete
> > Synonyms: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 coarse, crude, cursory, defective, depth=
less, faulty,
> > imperfect, inadequate, insufficient, introductory, outline,
> > perfunctory, preliminary, scrappy, shallow, skimpy, slight,
> > superficial, uncritical, unfinished, vague
>
> > At least six of those synonyms apply to the word as I used it. =C2=A0Ma=
ybe
> > there is hope for the younger generation. =C2=A0;)
>
> > As Mr. Monk would say about my hangup with words, "It's a
> > blessing...and a curse."
>
>
> Oh, its usage may be correct (legal) but it's still lame.
> And that is where the legalistic 'word' communities falls flat on
> their faces. Many need to learn the difference between what is
> accurate and legal, and what is appropriate. The hip and cool use
> words like sketchy which is why I wondered why you selected it.

I am neither hip nor cool. Sketch and sketchy are words that have
been around for a long, long time. The fact that you have some
preconceived notion of what the word means, and when it came into
common usage, is at odds with the accepted definitions, its history
and derivation. I am not using a word based on your offspring's high
school usage in some northern colloquially-challenged clime, but using
it as God, the Dutch, Italians, Latin and Greek languages originally
intended it. The English word sketch came into use in the 17th
century, and it basically means a rough work or roughly made.

[C17: from Dutch schets, via Italian from Latin schedius hastily made,
from Greek skhedios unprepared]

The current issue rug rat uses the word sketchy in a different way -
to connote risk or unseemly behavior. I think these are also valid
definitions and do not diminish the word.

In any event, I have a drawer of sketchy knives that visitors,
children and other un-schooled interlopers are welcome to use and
abuse. Touch my good knives (or chisels) and I'll hurt you.

R

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:56:30 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On Oct 29, 10:28 pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
>wrote:

>People that put away wet and dirty knives should not cook...or
>procreate.
>
>A Skoptic would say that preventing that last excercise is the best
>use for knives.

Lorena, honey, is that you?

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

On 30 Oct 2010 03:53:44 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote in news:8c109bff-bd16-4217-a17b-
>[email protected]:
>
>*snip*
>
>>
>> Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
>> bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.
>>
>> R
>
>My favorite is the automatic soap dispenser. How conveinent that pressing
>on the germy handle puts soap in your hands to kill the germs.

C'mon, Pucky. Don't you wipe some of the drippy soap onto the germy
button before pressing it?

But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
their hands after using the restroom. We're stranded until someone
else comes in!

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

On 10/29/10 11:13 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I recently tried using Nick Engle's potato solution for getting rid of
> rust. I found it searching the internet and decided not to do the
> reverse electrolytic process I had found.
>
> I am not sure this method of using potatoes was a good idea. I think I
> could have gotten the same results without the potatoes using just oil
> and elbow grease. The biggest downside is the stink of the potato
> solution, and now the tools stink. I can't get rid of the stink.
>
> I don't recommend this. I have tried mineral spirits, acetone, alchohol,
> etc... nothing will get rid of the smell. 1month after it still stinks.
>
> Go electrolytic, don't follow his advice it is bad.... real bad.

Soak them in gravy.
:-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 10/30/10 10:09 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 30, 8:05 am, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 , RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Oct 30, Larry Jaques<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
>>>> their hands after using the restroom. We're stranded until someone
>>>> else comes in!
>>
>>> Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
>>> the waste basket as you exit.
>>
>>
>> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
>> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
>> on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
>> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
>> should be everywhere.
>
> So you make it annoying for everyone else using the bathroom so you
> can make a point to management?
> Yeah, just piss on the floor - it's the same thing.
>
> R

Or gee, I don't know, maybe t a l k to the management about it.
No, that would be completely unreasonable.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700, RicodJour wrote:

> On Oct 30, 12:34 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
>> their hands after using the restroom.  We're stranded until someone
>> else comes in!
>
> Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in the
> waste basket as you exit.
>

That is just another symptom of the bacterial paranoia that seems to be
prevalent today. It's gotten so bad that doctors are worrying that
children aren't getting exposed to enough germs to build up their immune
systems.

I check all the soap we buy to ensure that it *isn't* anti-bacterial. I
don't want to be part of breeding better germs :-).

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On 10/30/10 12:30 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> So you make it annoying for everyone else using the bathroom so you
>>> can make a point to management?
>>> Yeah, just piss on the floor - it's the same thing.
>>
>>> R
>>
>> Or gee, I don't know, maybe t a l k to the management about it.
>> No, that would be completely unreasonable.
>>
> Orrrr one could protest in the most violent, Canadian way possible:
> write a letter.
>

What's a letter? Is that an analog email?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 30 Oct 2010 03:53:44 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:8c109bff-bd16-4217-a17b-
>>[email protected]:
>>
>>*snip*
>>
>>>
>>> Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
>>> bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.
>>>
>>> R
>>
>>My favorite is the automatic soap dispenser. How conveinent that pressing
>>on the germy handle puts soap in your hands to kill the germs.
>
> C'mon, Pucky. Don't you wipe some of the drippy soap onto the germy
> button before pressing it?
>
> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
> their hands after using the restroom. We're stranded until someone
> else comes in!
>


Paper towel on the handle. Except they've demonstrated that the slot in the
towel dispenser is just Loaded with bacteria ...

--
If your name is No, I voted for you - more than once ...

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Oct 30, 12:34 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> But then how does one get out of the bathroom? Some folks don't wash
>> >> their hands after using the restroom. We're stranded until someone
>> >> else comes in!
>> >
>> >Rip off a piece of paper towel, open the door, and toss the paper in
>> >the waste basket as you exit.
>> >
>> >R
>>
>> I don't rip off a piece of the towel. And if the company was not
>> bright enough to put a trash basket by the exit door I throw the towel
>> on the floor. If enough people would do this even the dimmest janitor
>> will quickly catch on and put a basket by the exit door - just as it
>> should be everywhere.
>
> But what do you do when the response to this is to remove the towel
> dispenser and replace it with one of the hot-air thingies?
>
>


Pinkie finger on your off hand ...

--
If your name is No, I voted for you - more than once ...

RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 29, 2:02 pm, "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
>> trouble
>> endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a great
>> bacterial
>> reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect or
>> autoclave
>> your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition, you're
>> all good.
>
> Please explain how a wood in a cutting board has anti bacterial
> properties, but when it's made into knife storage, it becomes a death
> trap.
>
> Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
> bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.
>
> R
I thoroughly agree. Lysol ads and Listerine ads feed this paranoia.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

A cliche is a bright new original
thought with tenure.

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Oct 29, 10:28 pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I have never heard that wood has antibacterial properties. Or
> plastic.

Plastic does not, wood does. Check the link to the research in the
cutting board thread.

> The point that was perhaps not acutely made is that if knives are
> ever
> put away
> wet--or dirty--in a dark trap like a slot, it would follow that the
> chances of bacterial
> formation increase as does likelihood of corrosion in certain blade
> steel.

People that put away wet and dirty knives should not cook...or
procreate.

R

R:

A Skoptic would say that preventing that last excercise is the best
use for knives.

Regards,

EH

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:00:38 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Oct 29, 1:58 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> It's an organic rot.
>
>I have absolutely NO idea why, but it took me 10 minutes to get the
>tears out of my eyes from laughing so hard.
>Some shit just hits me funny.
>It's a keeper.
>
>"It's an organic rot."

I suppose it's somewhat redundant, tho. Gladja liked it.


>rich... real rich.

Potatoes are organic. Potatoes rot and stink horribly. Ripe, rich
scents, too.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Oct 29, 2:02 pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Various analyses have shown what common-sense reflection has no
> trouble
> endorsing: storing knives in slots in blocks makes the latter a
> great
> bacterial
> reservoir. Of course, if you scrupulously dry, chemically disinfect
> or
> autoclave
> your knives and use a block maintained in germicidal condition,
> you're
> all good.

Please explain how a wood in a cutting board has anti bacterial
properties, but when it's made into knife storage, it becomes a death
trap.

Your body has its own defenses. Use them - exercise them. This anti
bacterial _everything_ crap is doing way more harm than good.

R

I have never heard that wood has antibacterial properties. Or plastic.
The point that was perhaps not acutely made is that if knives are ever
put away
wet--or dirty--in a dark trap like a slot, it would follow that the
chances of bacterial
formation increase as does likelihood of corrosion in certain blade
steel.

Regards,

EH