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[email protected] (Larry Bud)

19/11/2004 5:21 PM

When does the disease end?

Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)


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loutent

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

19/11/2004 8:55 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Bud
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
> then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
> time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
> it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

No, not even when the money runs out.

I have this theory that whne you "start" woodworking, you think that
the more tools that you have, the more successful that you will be.
After about 15+ years, I am still somewhere in this stage - enjoying a
shiny new tool every so often.

But I think that if you can progress far enough, you get beyond the
"Norm" stage (to which I am still aspiring) and into a more "artistic"
stage where you can do exceptional work with hand tools (see Frank
Klausz video on Dovetailed drawers - FWW website).

Many of us are in in the "unwashed mass" category - happily buying
stuff that makes us marginally better - and probably doomed by same to
remain (broadly) where we are.

Still, I like my power tools and have to remind myself of what it was
like "back then" when I couldn't miter a decent corner.

Lou

Sd

Silvan

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 2:54 PM

Larry Bud wrote:

> Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
> then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
> time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
> it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

Exactly. When the money runs out.

Can I have some money? :)

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Nova

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

19/11/2004 9:34 PM

Larry Bud wrote:

> Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
> then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
> time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
> it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

I look at it like an insurance policy. When I die my wife will be able
to support herself for the rest of her years by selling off my tools.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

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Nova

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 11:06 AM

RKG wrote:

> Nova wrote:
> > I look at it like an insurance policy. When I die my wife will be able
> > to support herself for the rest of her years by selling off my tools.
> >
> Only if she knows what they are really worth, to often they are sold for
> next to nothing because 1. She has no need for them and wants to empty
> the house and 2. She doesn't have a clue what they are really worth.

My wife bought most of them..

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

lL

[email protected] (Larry Bud)

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 6:48 AM

Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
> wrote:
>
> >When does this feeling end,
>
> When you keep making the same thing for a while. Most of the need for
> new tools is because you're doing new things.

Good point. I've been trying to learn something new each time I pick
a project. But then that "something new" kinda becomes tedious. for
instance, I just bought a jointer. Yeah, I've lived without one for 2
years, and I can make pretty darn good glued up panels just by
straigtening the board on the table saw, but that sure becomes a
hassle.

Raised panels: I've learned how to do them on the table saw, but now
I just want to MAKE one, without having to sand the crap out of it
when I'm done, so the raised panel bit is on order.... Please,
someone just finish me off now!

lL

[email protected] (Larry Bud)

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 6:50 AM

"Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Ironically, it ends when some other guy uses his tools to make a nice wooden
> box and you're in it.
>
> Lee

LOL!

lL

[email protected] (Larry Bud)

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

23/11/2004 8:24 AM

Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hmmmm.. let's see what that costs:
>
> 7518 3HP PC router $300
> Router Lift(Jessum) $300
> Fancy bits set $150
> fancy router table $150
> ______
> $900
>
> The joy of making (1) raised panel door can never be
> priced.

Well, already made a router table, don't need the lift, and already had a router.

So really, it just cost me $69.99 for the bit.

Hh

Howard

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 1:16 AM

Old Nick <[email protected]> wrote:

>It only _becomes_ a "disease" when the money runs out! <G>

My money ran out some time ago...

But I have a mini-gloat; I found a luthier who will trade me the use
of his shop and tools -- and expert guidance, in exchange for violin
lessons!!!

--
Howard
My opinionated book reviews on sales topics
http://book-reviews.hostpci.com

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

22/11/2004 8:39 PM

Hmmmm.. let's see what that costs:

7518 3HP PC router $300
Router Lift(Jessum) $300
Fancy bits set $150
fancy router table $150
______
$900

The joy of making (1) raised panel door can never be
priced.





Larry Bud wrote:


> Raised panels: I've learned how to do them on the table saw, but now
> I just want to MAKE one, without having to sand the crap out of it
> when I'm done, so the raised panel bit is on order.... Please,
> someone just finish me off now!

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 10:20 AM

Larry Bud wrote:
> When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)



Cha! If only it were *that* easy. You hear stories of
people living on the streets with addictions but somehow
*they* manage to find the money and the time for their
Jones. Believe me, you *will* find the money.

UA100, blood seller/confirmed addict since 1967(ish)...

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

22/11/2004 5:07 PM

Pat Barber wrote:
>Router Lift(Jessum) $300


Mailing the template half away across the NewNitedStates a
couple of times...

Priceless!

UA100

Jj

John

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

19/11/2004 9:11 PM

It ends when you die, and your wife/kids pay someone to haul away all
those nasty old machines.

Makes one really want to be sure they have a will written up, and at
least be sure the tools go to someone who will appreciate them

John


On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:36:28 -0500, "Chris Hornberger"
<chris@no_spam.chornbe.com> wrote:

>"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>> then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>> time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>> it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)
>
>Just about 2 days after you're dead and buried. Welcome to the fold :)
>

LG

"Lee Gordon"

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 3:03 AM

Ironically, it ends when some other guy uses his tools to make a nice wooden
box and you're in it.

Lee

--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"

CH

"Chris Hornberger"

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

19/11/2004 8:36 PM

"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
> then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
> time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
> it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

Just about 2 days after you're dead and buried. Welcome to the fold :)

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

22/11/2004 7:16 AM

Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Prometheus wrote:
>>I don't know, but I'm finding that none of the local hardware stores
>>have anything I want anymore. Doesn't make me want to stop getting
>>tools, it just makes me want to start going to industrial auctions.
>
> I'm finding the same effect at Woodcraft/Rock-a-lers.
>
> UA100
>

Well, yeah, when you've got one or more of each.

I was in there Saturday, with a coupon that gave me $10 off, if I spent
$30. I got to $20 OK, but after that, it was difficult. SWMBO helped out
by finding a book on building trellises and gazebos. Wanna bet that'll
cost a few hunnert dollars? ;-)

Patriarch

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

22/11/2004 10:51 PM

Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Hmmmm.. let's see what that costs:
>
> 7518 3HP PC router $300
> Router Lift(Jessum) $300
> Fancy bits set $150
> fancy router table $150
> ______
> $900
>
> The joy of making (1) raised panel door can never be
> priced.
>

And that assumes you got the right profile door set to begin with...

Patriarch,
who believes that router bits are kinds like those potato chips...

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

23/11/2004 5:36 AM

Prometheus <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
> I went to Menard's, Sears and Farm & Fleet last week with $100 for
> hand tools, and came back with one $10 t-bevel. It isn't that I have
> one of each of what they've got- it's that they've got almost nothing
> that isn't junk! Try finding a decent handsaw, plane, chisel,
> drawknife, or, well, anything there- it's like digging in the sewer
> half the time. Ah well, I just ended up wasting the rest on stupid
> things, like groceries....

I believe that, if you want to spend $100 on hand tools, and not end up
with total junk, you're going to have to learn the ways of the rust
hunter...

Because $100 doesn't buy a lot of Lie Nielsen. Or a lot of groceries, for
that matter.

Patriarch

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

24/11/2004 11:33 PM

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:36:50 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:

>Prometheus <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
><snip>
>> I went to Menard's, Sears and Farm & Fleet last week with $100 for
>> hand tools, and came back with one $10 t-bevel. It isn't that I have
>> one of each of what they've got- it's that they've got almost nothing
>> that isn't junk! Try finding a decent handsaw, plane, chisel,
>> drawknife, or, well, anything there- it's like digging in the sewer
>> half the time. Ah well, I just ended up wasting the rest on stupid
>> things, like groceries....
>
>I believe that, if you want to spend $100 on hand tools, and not end up
>with total junk, you're going to have to learn the ways of the rust
>hunter...
>
>Because $100 doesn't buy a lot of Lie Nielsen. Or a lot of groceries, for
>that matter.

No, but if you're looking for one Lie Nielsen tool, a c-note might get
you something. But that wasn't the problem- they just didn't have
anything good, at any price!

But you're obviously in a more expensive area than I- $100 buys way
more groceries than my wife and I can eat in a month! Might be the
rural setting, but that's the smallest bill I've got.



Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 12:14 AM

"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Makes one really want to be sure they have a will written up, and at
> least be sure the tools go to someone who will appreciate them

Me, Me, Me. I will appreciate them. How are you feeling these days? When can
I come down and appreciate them in person?

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 9:08 PM

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:12:21 -0500, RKG
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Nova wrote:
>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>>>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>>>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>>>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)
>>
>>
>> I look at it like an insurance policy. When I die my wife will be able
>> to support herself for the rest of her years by selling off my tools.
>>
>> --
>> Jack Novak
>> Buffalo, NY - USA
>> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>>
>>
>Only if she knows what they are really worth, to often they are sold for
>next to nothing because 1. She has no need for them and wants to empty
>the house and 2. She doesn't have a clue what they are really worth.

I'm a bit more optimistic than that. There have been more than a few
times when I've seen old widows protecting their departed husband's
tools like a shrine. It's kind of touching really- I can't imagine
that an 80-yr old woman is out using a unisaw, they just like to keep
them around.

>Put it in writing what the tools are really worth, keep it updated and
>keep it with your will so she will find it after you are gone assuming
>you go first.
>
>Rick

Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

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Andy Dingley

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 4:33 PM

On 21 Nov 2004 06:48:59 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>Raised panels: I've learned how to do them on the table saw, but now
>I just want to MAKE one, without having to sand the crap out of it
>when I'm done,

So use a panel raising plane 8-)

> so the raised panel bit is on order.

Hmmm. Nice if you want fancy shaped mouldings without hand planing
them, but for flat raised panels I'd rather use the table saw.

--
Smert' spamionam

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

22/11/2004 8:20 PM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:16:13 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:

>Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Prometheus wrote:
>>>I don't know, but I'm finding that none of the local hardware stores
>>>have anything I want anymore. Doesn't make me want to stop getting
>>>tools, it just makes me want to start going to industrial auctions.
>>
>> I'm finding the same effect at Woodcraft/Rock-a-lers.
>>
>> UA100
>>
>
>Well, yeah, when you've got one or more of each.
>
>I was in there Saturday, with a coupon that gave me $10 off, if I spent
>$30. I got to $20 OK, but after that, it was difficult. SWMBO helped out
>by finding a book on building trellises and gazebos. Wanna bet that'll
>cost a few hunnert dollars? ;-)

I went to Menard's, Sears and Farm & Fleet last week with $100 for
hand tools, and came back with one $10 t-bevel. It isn't that I have
one of each of what they've got- it's that they've got almost nothing
that isn't junk! Try finding a decent handsaw, plane, chisel,
drawknife, or, well, anything there- it's like digging in the sewer
half the time. Ah well, I just ended up wasting the rest on stupid
things, like groceries....


Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 12:36 PM

Prometheus wrote:
>I don't know, but I'm finding that none of the local hardware stores
>have anything I want anymore. Doesn't make me want to stop getting
>tools, it just makes me want to start going to industrial auctions.

I'm finding the same effect at Woodcraft/Rock-a-lers.

UA100

md

mac davis

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 3:10 AM

On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

I don't think it does, unless you burn out or get more interested in
something else that becomes your priority..

I see myself getting more patient and a little more skilled lately...
this in turn requires more and better tools, so that you can USE these
factors, reinforced by the fact that when you're starting out, most of
the things that you build are FOR the hobby/disease... bench, router
table, jigs, shelves, cabinets, drawers, etc..
That means that you have to SEE your results all the time and think
about how much better/easier/faster/cooler it would have been if you
just had this one tool when you did it..

Besides, if you didn't keep buying tools, all of those Chi-Wan-ese
kids would be going blind in factories for nothing... it's your duty
to kids everywhere to keep buying bigger and better tools..

MB

Michael Baglio

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

25/11/2004 6:56 AM

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:33:17 -0600, Prometheus
<[email protected]> wrote:

>But you're obviously in a more expensive area than I- $100 buys way
>more groceries than my wife and I can eat in a month!

With a budget of $1.67 per day, your wife must be thrilled that those
scrumptious Ramen noodles are now available in so many different
flavors... ;>

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 9:12 PM

On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

I don't know, but I'm finding that none of the local hardware stores
have anything I want anymore. Doesn't make me want to stop getting
tools, it just makes me want to start going to industrial auctions.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

ON

Old Nick

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

21/11/2004 7:35 AM

On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

It only _becomes_ a "disease" when the money runs out! <G>

>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

Rg

RKG

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

19/11/2004 11:12 PM

Nova wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
>
>
>>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)
>
>
> I look at it like an insurance policy. When I die my wife will be able
> to support herself for the rest of her years by selling off my tools.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>
Only if she knows what they are really worth, to often they are sold for
next to nothing because 1. She has no need for them and wants to empty
the house and 2. She doesn't have a clue what they are really worth.

Put it in writing what the tools are really worth, keep it updated and
keep it with your will so she will find it after you are gone assuming
you go first.

Rick

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Andy Dingley

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 2:34 AM

On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>When does this feeling end,

When you keep making the same thing for a while. Most of the need for
new tools is because you're doing new things.

--
Smert' spamionam

r

in reply to [email protected] (Larry Bud) on 19/11/2004 5:21 PM

20/11/2004 11:39 PM

On 19 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>Started serious wood working 2 years ago this time of year, and since
>then I've aquired quite a nice set of tools. The problem is, every
>time I buy a new big shiny machine, I wonder how I ever lived without
>it. When does this feeling end, when the money runs out? ;-)

No. It far outlasts the money. Trust me on this.

--RC

Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?


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