We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
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carrying a cross.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:07:41 -0500, Richard <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Lose the dishwasher.
>It's evil.
>
>Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
You are very uninformed.
Dishwashers save water and use nowhere near 50 gallons. Energy Star
models use about 4 gallons. Less than had washing.
On Friday, March 15, 2013 6:38:50 PM UTC-6, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> And they only read the meter once a year to bill for any overage.
They probably read the meter monthly from the road, electronically. The manual once a year reading is probably to check to make sure the electronic reading is correct/on par/no glitches.
Sonny
On 3/15/2013 7:38 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:11:55 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>> it's a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> In a MUD district close to Houston, $34 for sewer, $20 for water up to
>> 10,000 gallons.
>>
>
> Thanks for all the responses. Our $46 is a flat rate, not based on water
> usage. I wish it was. Maybe I'll have to go bug the county
> commissioners. Doubt that'll get me very far :-).
>
> OTOH, our water bill is $14 a month up to some limit which few seem to
> reach. And they only read the meter once a year to bill for any overage.
>
Likewise my water/sewer bill for 2011 was $776 and I used 97,000 gallons
of water. It was very dry and I watered my yard A LOT. There is a
small up charge for usage past 10,000 gal per month.
In 2012 my water/sewer bill was $752 and I only used 61,000 gallons of
water.
So the billing actually encourages you to use a lot of water.
I used 36,000 gallons less, last year, and only saved $24.
If I used no water at all I would only save $100 over last year.
EXT wrote:
>
> This will depend on where you are, hand driving a well point will
> only work in soft sand or loose gravel. I live in an are where there
> is hard-pan clay about 2 feet down, it would be impossible to hand
> drive a point down into that material, and if you could, it would not
> produce any useful water in the solid clay. I had to drive two 5/8"
> diameter sharpened ground rods 10 feet long and it took all day just
> to drive them into the heavy clay, I was getting about 20 hits with a
> 15 pound sledge to move the rods an inch. I was exhausted when I
> finally finished.
Next time afix a garden hose (somehow) to a 10' section of conduit. Let the
water do the drilling.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:42:41 -0400, Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Sewer rates can be very high in areas that are close to sea level or
>> where you have to do a lot of pumping. Those 1.6 gallon flush toilets
>> are starting to make more sense these days as sewer rates increase.
>>
>You mean the double flush toilets?
Not any more. Sure, they used to be triple flush, but the new models
work very well. We have a few of them at work and have been trouble
free for five years now.
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 02:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was
>>>> amazed when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>
>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>>> it's a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other
>>>> criteria. Thanks.
>>>>
>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to
>>> encourage rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of
>>> winter usage in the summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep.
>>> And the more I use the steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>>
>> Lose the dishwasher.
>> It's evil.
>>
>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their
>> dishes??
> Our Samsung uses 4.76 gallons per load, one load every other day.
My Kenmore uses a variable amount of water, depending on the cycle and load.
From a minimum of about 2.5 gallons to almost five.
My sink holds 4.5 gallons, so it's about a push between the dishwasher and
doing things by hand.
On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
Max
On 3/15/2013 10:41 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Markem" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>
>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>> Thanks.
>
>> Bettter than $25,000 in fees they wanted from my Uncle to change from
>> septic to sewer, in the northwest burbs of Chicago.
>
>> The charge does not seem out of line.
>
> No it doesn't.... Depending upon usage (tied to water consumption) my
> sewer bill runs $61-$70 per month...
It may or may not be. It's heavily dependent on your location.
On 03/15/2013 02:07 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>
>> Max
>
>
> Lose the dishwasher.
> It's evil.
>
> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
>
Our Samsung uses 4.76 gallons per load, one load every other day.
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On 3/15/2013 3:07 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>
>> Max
>
>
> Lose the dishwasher.
> It's evil.
>
> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
To say nothing of two P/U trucks, two cars, and a travel trailer.
On 03/15/2013 08:29 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 5:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
>>> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was
>>>>>> amazed
>>>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to
>>>>> encourage
>>>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in
>>>>> the
>>>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lose the dishwasher.
>>>> It's evil.
>>>>
>>>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their
>>>> dishes??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the supper
>>> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
>>> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug store
>>> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>>>
>>> Fond memories...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
>> economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
>> when it is full, not after every meal.
>
>
> I took it out and replaced it with a stack of drawers anyway.
> We don't save dirty dishes that long.
>
>
Ah, soooo - more room for clean ones to through out when dirty ;-)
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On 03/15/2013 08:38 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 08:29 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 5:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
>>>> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was
>>>>>>> amazed
>>>>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>>>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to
>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>>>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lose the dishwasher.
>>>>> It's evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their
>>>>> dishes??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the supper
>>>> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
>>>> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug store
>>>> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>>>>
>>>> Fond memories...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
>>> economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
>>> when it is full, not after every meal.
>>
>>
>> I took it out and replaced it with a stack of drawers anyway.
>> We don't save dirty dishes that long.
>>
>>
>
> Ah, soooo - more room for clean ones to through out when dirty ;-)
>
>
make that "throw".
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
For many, it has paid for itself to install a separate shallow well pump
to provide water, to water the lawn, wash the car, and fill the swimming
pool. So only the cost of elect with no other water / sewer bill. A
couple of hundred dollars should install one. Ground water is usually
shallow enough for a well point to be hand driven down to it. Where I
live I have good water for this purpose at 25-30 feet.
"godsword" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>
>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> For many, it has paid for itself to install a separate shallow well pump
> to provide water, to water the lawn, wash the car, and fill the swimming
> pool. So only the cost of elect with no other water / sewer bill. A couple
> of hundred dollars should install one. Ground water is usually shallow
> enough for a well point to be hand driven down to it. Where I live I have
> good water for this purpose at 25-30 feet.
This will depend on where you are, hand driving a well point will only work
in soft sand or loose gravel. I live in an are where there is hard-pan clay
about 2 feet down, it would be impossible to hand drive a point down into
that material, and if you could, it would not produce any useful water in
the solid clay. I had to drive two 5/8" diameter sharpened ground rods 10
feet long and it took all day just to drive them into the heavy clay, I was
getting about 20 hits with a 15 pound sledge to move the rods an inch. I was
exhausted when I finally finished.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> EXT wrote:
>>
>> This will depend on where you are, hand driving a well point will
>> only work in soft sand or loose gravel. I live in an are where there
>> is hard-pan clay about 2 feet down, it would be impossible to hand
>> drive a point down into that material, and if you could, it would not
>> produce any useful water in the solid clay. I had to drive two 5/8"
>> diameter sharpened ground rods 10 feet long and it took all day just
>> to drive them into the heavy clay, I was getting about 20 hits with a
>> 15 pound sledge to move the rods an inch. I was exhausted when I
>> finally finished.
>
> Next time afix a garden hose (somehow) to a 10' section of conduit. Let
> the water do the drilling.
I doubt that water would do much to get through this hard-pan clay, but when
I drove the ground rods, the house was under construction and the well was
not in at that time, so no water was available.
My bill it tied to water usage as well. My sewer is about $15 a month
based on the city minimum for water usage which is about $25.
I am a single man living smaller house with no water usage other than
shower, hand washing dishes and toilet operation.
So if yours is based on water usage and you have more than yourself in
the household and run dishwashers, take long showers, water the lawn,
keep a garden, obsessively wash clothes, etc.... I can see it.
Robert
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
>Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
Bettter than $25,000 in fees they wanted from my Uncle to change from
septic to sewer, in the northwest burbs of Chicago.
The charge does not seem out of line.
Mark
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:57:47 -0400, "EXT"
>I doubt that water would do much to get through this hard-pan clay, but when
>I drove the ground rods, the house was under construction and the well was
>not in at that time, so no water was available.
Surely there's some type of drill you can use to get through clay like
you've described? The problem with hammering a rod is that the clay
has to be impacted out of the way. Drilling evacuates that clay
instead.
On 3/18/2013 6:35 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:25:23 -0500, godsword wrote:
>
>> And yes we have hard pan also. It lays in layers at several different
>> depth levels, and while it is difficult to drive a well point down
>> through, it is possible.
>
> I can top that with another Boise story :-). Our place was on septic.
> About 2' down, even less in a few places, was a layer of lava. The
> ditches for our drain field were not dug, they were blasted :-). Luckily
> lava is quite porous.
>
> But I'm sure you have better sinkhole stories :-).
>
No better story. I know that there are places in the US that has Rock
only inches, to a few feet down. Our Relatives in Missouri had rock only
inches down, and had to blast out each fence post hole. But that is NOT
hard pan. When I lived in the Miami area, I had to break up sandstone
and coral rock with a tiller, pulverize it with a tree limb shredder, to
make the soil for my garden. We only had 3-4 inches of top soil. Every
place is different, But why Quit just because someone says that it
cannot be done. I also grew asparagus in south Florida when they said
that it could not be done. And I was not the only one who did it.
On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>
>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>>
> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>
> Max
Lose the dishwasher.
It's evil.
Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
On 3/15/2013 4:07 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>
>> Max
>
>
> Lose the dishwasher.
> It's evil.
>
> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
>
Actually it takes less water to wash dishes with the dishwasher than to
hand wash if you have a relative modern, in the last 25 years, dish washer.
You realize the whole tub does not fill with water, only 2~3" deep per
wash cycle.
On 3/15/2013 8:20 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Thanks for all the responses. Our $46 is a flat rate, not based on water usage. I wish it was. Maybe I'll have to go bug the county commissioners. Doubt that'll get me very far :-). OTOH, our water bill is $14 a month up to some limit which few seem to reach. And they only read the meter once a year to bill for any overage.
>
> Maybe your extra sewer money is to pay for a new or updated treatment facility. That flat rate may stay the same for a decate or more, while others' rate/gal will go up every few years.
One would think. Unfortunately in my water district I also pay a MUD
tax every year and that is double my annual water and sewer bill.
Having said that I moved out of Houston 2 years ago. I have seen
maintenance crews in our neighborhood doing minor repairs down in the
drains each summer. In Houston noting is repaired until it becomes a
safety problem.
> Some municipalities around here have increased rates no matter when (winter/summer) water is used and many are complaining. To avoid higher rates for usage/sewer, many folks have purchased or made rain barrels, to avoid paying more. Though my town has not done that, I plan to build a cistern this summer.
>
> Sonny
>
On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
In a MUD district close to Houston, $34 for sewer, $20 for water up to
10,000 gallons.
In Houston you also get to pay for the portion of your property that
will not absorb rain water run off every month whether it rains or not.
On 3/18/2013 11:51 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:02:12 -0500, godsword wrote:
>
>> Ground water is usually shallow
>> enough for a well point to be hand driven down to it. Where I live I
>> have good water for this purpose at 25-30 feet.
>
> Not around here - The last well I had, in Boise ID, had to go down over
> 250' to hit water. Most of the northwest, except near the coast, is
> sagebrush country.
>
I see what you are saying, and I know what you are talking about. Here
at my house in North Florida, we have Surface Water at 20 feet, and I
Now pull drinking water from this well at 25 Feet. Total depth of the
well is 30 Feet.(no choice) However, Until my main well went south, It
was down about 350 feet for really Good Water. My son moved next to me
and his well is down 360 feet.
But there is Always Surface Water. The Surface water is great for
watering the garden, but the only way I can use it for drinking water is
to Filter, Filter, and use a water softener to take out the iron.
And yes we have hard pan also. It lays in layers at several different
depth levels, and while it is difficult to drive a well point down
through, it is possible. But even so, many times there is surface water
right above the first layer of hard pan, because the water cannot
penetrate through it. I agree that running water Down the pipe or
around the pipe works very well. Even a well driller pumps water down to
help drill his holes. Lots of luck with whatever you choose to do.
[email protected] wrote:
> My bill it tied to water usage as well. My sewer is about $15 a month
> based on the city minimum for water usage which is about $25.
>
> I am a single man living smaller house with no water usage other than
> shower, hand washing dishes and toilet operation.
>
> So if yours is based on water usage and you have more than yourself in
> the household and run dishwashers, take long showers, water the lawn,
> keep a garden, obsessively wash clothes, etc.... I can see it.
>
> Robert
When I lived in Texas (Marshall) ours was based on the January water
usage to negate summer usage in pools, irrigation and car washing. I
thought that was fair.
--
GW Ross
When I was a kid, I was an imaginary
playmate.
On 3/16/2013 12:10 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 08:38 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 03/15/2013 08:29 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 5:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
>>>>> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was
>>>>>>>> amazed
>>>>>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>>>>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to
>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>>>>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lose the dishwasher.
>>>>>> It's evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their
>>>>>> dishes??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the
>>>>> supper
>>>>> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
>>>>> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug
>>>>> store
>>>>> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fond memories...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
>>>> economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
>>>> when it is full, not after every meal.
>>>
>>>
>>> I took it out and replaced it with a stack of drawers anyway.
>>> We don't save dirty dishes that long.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ah, soooo - more room for clean ones to through out when dirty ;-)
>>
>>
> make that "throw".
>
>
Ok.
Waste water treatment fee, based on your water usage. Almost all water usa=
ge during the winter goes into the sewer system. Some of the water used in=
the summer (gardening, etc) does not go into the sewer system, so the sewe=
r fee is adjusted, during the summer, for that (gardening, etc) allowance.
As stated, in general, it's about double (mine's a bit more) than your wate=
r usage fee.
Sonny
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:54:20 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>>>>
>>> You mean the double flush toilets?
>>
>> Not any more. Sure, they used to be triple flush, but the new models
>> work very well. We have a few of them at work and have been trouble
>> free for five years now.
>>
>
>
>I have found that it depends on the quality of the unit. I am in a new
>neighborhood. Brand X builder used single flush commodes that the home
>owners were not happy with. Our builder DR Horton uses the large
>elongated single flush bowls and there has never been an issue. The
>Brand X home owners are having their units replaced with The DR Horton
>style.
Probably should have mentioned, the trouble free ones we have are all
Kohler, but some other brands are good also.
> Thanks for all the responses. Our $46 is a flat rate, not based on water =
usage. I wish it was. Maybe I'll have to go bug the county commissioners. D=
oubt that'll get me very far :-). OTOH, our water bill is $14 a month up to=
some limit which few seem to reach. And they only read the meter once a ye=
ar to bill for any overage.=20
Maybe your extra sewer money is to pay for a new or updated treatment facil=
ity. That flat rate may stay the same for a decate or more, while others' =
rate/gal will go up every few years.
Some municipalities around here have increased rates no matter when (winter=
/summer) water is used and many are complaining. To avoid higher rates for=
usage/sewer, many folks have purchased or made rain barrels, to avoid payi=
ng more. Though my town has not done that, I plan to build a cistern this =
summer.
Sonny
On 3/16/2013 11:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:42:41 -0400, Keith Nuttle
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Sewer rates can be very high in areas that are close to sea level or
>>> where you have to do a lot of pumping. Those 1.6 gallon flush toilets
>>> are starting to make more sense these days as sewer rates increase.
>>>
>> You mean the double flush toilets?
>
> Not any more. Sure, they used to be triple flush, but the new models
> work very well. We have a few of them at work and have been trouble
> free for five years now.
>
I have found that it depends on the quality of the unit. I am in a new
neighborhood. Brand X builder used single flush commodes that the home
owners were not happy with. Our builder DR Horton uses the large
elongated single flush bowls and there has never been an issue. The
Brand X home owners are having their units replaced with The DR Horton
style.
On 3/15/2013 12:11 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
Water bill x2
On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>
>> Max
>
>
> Lose the dishwasher.
> It's evil.
>
> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
>
When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the supper
table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug store
in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
Fond memories...
On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>
>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>>
>> Lose the dishwasher.
>> It's evil.
>>
>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>>
>>
>
> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the supper
> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug store
> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>
> Fond memories...
>
>
>
>
The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
when it is full, not after every meal.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:11:55 -0500, Leon wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>> it's a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> In a MUD district close to Houston, $34 for sewer, $20 for water up to
> 10,000 gallons.
>
Thanks for all the responses. Our $46 is a flat rate, not based on water
usage. I wish it was. Maybe I'll have to go bug the county
commissioners. Doubt that'll get me very far :-).
OTOH, our water bill is $14 a month up to some limit which few seem to
reach. And they only read the meter once a year to bill for any overage.
--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.
On 3/15/13 4:07 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in the
>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>
>> Max
>
>
> Lose the dishwasher.
> It's evil.
>
> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>
Really? Think much? :-)
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On 3/15/2013 10:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>
>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
> My sewer is based on water consumption. I'm not sure of the exact
> amount as I don't have a bill handy, but the combined water and sewer
> works out to about $60 a month.
>
> Sewer rates can be very high in areas that are close to sea level or
> where you have to do a lot of pumping. Those 1.6 gallon flush toilets
> are starting to make more sense these days as sewer rates increase.
>
You mean the double flush toilets?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:27:10 -0700, Sonny wrote:
> On Friday, March 15, 2013 6:38:50 PM UTC-6, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> And they only read the meter once a year to bill for any overage.
>
> They probably read the meter monthly from the road, electronically. The
> manual once a year reading is probably to check to make sure the
> electronic reading is correct/on par/no glitches.
>
Actually, no. The meter is in the basement and is not remotely
readable. This is a *small* electric company. In fact, I can do the
once a year reading myself and send it to them :-).
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carrying a cross.
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carrying a cross.
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:02:12 -0500, godsword wrote:
> Ground water is usually shallow
> enough for a well point to be hand driven down to it. Where I live I
> have good water for this purpose at 25-30 feet.
Not around here - The last well I had, in Boise ID, had to go down over
250' to hit water. Most of the northwest, except near the coast, is
sagebrush country.
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carrying a cross.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:25:23 -0500, godsword wrote:
> And yes we have hard pan also. It lays in layers at several different
> depth levels, and while it is difficult to drive a well point down
> through, it is possible.
I can top that with another Boise story :-). Our place was on septic.
About 2' down, even less in a few places, was a layer of lava. The
ditches for our drain field were not dug, they were blasted :-). Luckily
lava is quite porous.
But I'm sure you have better sinkhole stories :-).
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carrying a cross.
Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:57:47 -0400, "EXT"
>> I doubt that water would do much to get through this hard-pan clay,
>> but when I drove the ground rods, the house was under construction
>> and the well was not in at that time, so no water was available.
>
> Surely there's some type of drill you can use to get through clay like
> you've described? The problem with hammering a rod is that the clay
> has to be impacted out of the way. Drilling evacuates that clay
> instead.
There are indeed large augers for boring, but you need such a damned bit
brace...
--
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[email protected]
On 03/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>
Finally got a bill in the mail so I can give you the stats:
For a 3 month period, 7 rooms, 1 tub/shower, 2 toilets:
water--$45.34
sewer--$107.76
trash--$39.00
storm water (whether it rains or not)--$6.00
Total bill with taxes---$201.26 divided by 3 for a monthly total of
pennies just over $67/month
On 3/16/2013 1:10 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 08:38 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 03/15/2013 08:29 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 5:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
>>>>> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was
>>>>>>>> amazed
>>>>>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>>>>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to
>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>>>>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lose the dishwasher.
>>>>>> It's evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their
>>>>>> dishes??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the
>>>>> supper
>>>>> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
>>>>> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug
>>>>> store
>>>>> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fond memories...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
>>>> economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
>>>> when it is full, not after every meal.
>>>
>>>
>>> I took it out and replaced it with a stack of drawers anyway.
>>> We don't save dirty dishes that long.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ah, soooo - more room for clean ones to through out when dirty ;-)
>>
>>
> make that "throw".
>
>
Why should I make it throw? You made the misteak.
I never make misteaks.
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In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @
Suburb of Atlanta, GA.
Sewer rates are roughly twice the cost of water.
3000 gallons of water $8.49
sewer $16.23
Note that there is no allowance for irrigation of lawn or garden - sewer cost is based on water used, which is only reported to the nearest 1000 gallons.
If there was space in the yard and I had the $$, there'd be a 15,000 or 20,000 gallon tank for collecting rainwater. I already do that, but on a small scale - about 350 gallons of storage.
Markem<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
> >when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
> >
> >Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
> >a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
> Bettter than $25,000 in fees they wanted from my Uncle to change from
> septic to sewer, in the northwest burbs of Chicago.
> The charge does not seem out of line.
> Mark
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On 3/15/2013 5:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 5:15 PM, practice wrote:
>> On 03/15/2013 04:07 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2013 12:29 PM, MaxD wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2013 10:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>> My average is $17. per month. It's based on water use, established
>>>> during winter months. But the summer water use is designed to encourage
>>>> rationing. For example, if I use twice the amount of winter usage in
>>>> the
>>>> summer my price per CCF can get pretty steep. And the more I use the
>>>> steeper it gets. %$#&*^%$#@
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> Lose the dishwasher.
>>> It's evil.
>>>
>>> Why would anybody want to use 50 gallons of water to wash their dishes??
>>>
>>>
>>
>> When I lived with my Dad, every evening we would get up from the supper
>> table and do the dishes. We would take turns on who would wash and who
>> would dry. And a couple nights a week we would travel to the drug store
>> in town with a counter and pester the waitress.
>>
>> Fond memories...
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The dish washer is like any other tools, if used properly it can be as
> economical as washing dishes in the sink. The trick is to only run it
> when it is full, not after every meal.
I took it out and replaced it with a stack of drawers anyway.
We don't save dirty dishes that long.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:16:55 -0400, EXT wrote:
> "godsword" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 3/15/2013 11:11 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>>> when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>>>
>>> Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>>> a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> For many, it has paid for itself to install a separate shallow well pump
>> to provide water, to water the lawn, wash the car, and fill the swimming
>> pool. So only the cost of elect with no other water / sewer bill. A couple
>> of hundred dollars should install one. Ground water is usually shallow
>> enough for a well point to be hand driven down to it. Where I live I have
>> good water for this purpose at 25-30 feet.
>
> This will depend on where you are, hand driving a well point will only work
> in soft sand or loose gravel. I live in an are where there is hard-pan clay
> about 2 feet down, it would be impossible to hand drive a point down into
> that material, and if you could, it would not produce any useful water in
> the solid clay. I had to drive two 5/8" diameter sharpened ground rods 10
> feet long and it took all day just to drive them into the heavy clay, I was
> getting about 20 hits with a 15 pound sledge to move the rods an inch. I was
> exhausted when I finally finished.
rent/borrow a large hammer drill next time, makes driving ground rods
a breeze.
basilisk
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news:[email protected]...
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
>Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
>Bettter than $25,000 in fees they wanted from my Uncle to change from
>septic to sewer, in the northwest burbs of Chicago.
>The charge does not seem out of line.
No it doesn't.... Depending upon usage (tied to water consumption) my sewer
bill runs $61-$70 per month...
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We recently moved from a place on septic to one on sewer. I was amazed
>when we got our first sewer bill. $46 a month!
>
>Is this the norm? Please post what you pay for sewer. And whether it's
>a flat rate or based on water consumption or some other criteria. Thanks.
My sewer is based on water consumption. I'm not sure of the exact
amount as I don't have a bill handy, but the combined water and sewer
works out to about $60 a month.
Sewer rates can be very high in areas that are close to sea level or
where you have to do a lot of pumping. Those 1.6 gallon flush toilets
are starting to make more sense these days as sewer rates increase.