No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
product since 1985 either.)
Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
They have lost their mind.
On Nov 27, 11:19=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> > True, but look at the two packages side by side.
> >http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_co...
>
> > Confused? =A0If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15
> > seconds.
>
> ------------------------------
> In the legal community think it's called job security.
>
> BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
>
> There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
>
> The population of the USA is about 310 million.
>
> IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
>
> Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
>
> Lew
I was looking up an address of a friend of mine, an attorney in NY
state, and this list popped up...I laughed my ass off:
http://www.clr.org/ny.html
On Nov 29, 8:22=A0am, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> Yeah? =A0
>
> Just what term *would* you use to describe doing something "without irreg=
ard"?
With regard, or more likely, a headache and a cup of tea.
On Nov 27, 11:07=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3D5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
Good lord.
If you are going to adjust you eating habits because of the bullshit
attorneys can come up with, your life-span is limited.
Pass the Peanut Butter Cups!!!
RonB
On Nov 30, 10:53=A0am, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 11:07=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> > product since 1985 either.)
>
> > Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> > infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> > brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> >http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3D5785551
>
> > They have lost their mind.
>
> Good lord.
>
> If you are going to adjust you eating habits because of the bullshit
> attorneys can come up with, your life-span is limited.
>
> Pass the Peanut Butter Cups!!!
>
> RonB
They insult my intelligence by assuming I can't tell the difference
between wrappers?
On Nov 28, 12:33=A0pm, David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 11:12=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Him and me seen it.
>
> Swine!
Reap what you sow.
On Nov 27, 7:59=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> (how's that frustration level doing now, David?) <g>
There's a sharp pain running down my left arm now.
On Nov 30, 3:48=A0pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> > They insult my intelligence by assuming I can't tell the difference
> > between wrappers?
>
> They're not trying to insult YOUR intelligence, only those on the jury.
>
> Nothing personal at all.
:-)
Fair enough..
On Nov 28, 7:45=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Nov 27, 11:19=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> >> > True, but look at the two packages side by side.
> >> >http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_co=
...
>
> >> > Confused? =A0If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15
> >> > seconds.
>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> In the legal community think it's called job security.
>
> >> BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
>
> >> There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
>
> >> The population of the USA is about 310 million.
>
> >> IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
>
> >> Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
>
> >> Lew
>
> >I was looking up an address of a friend of mine, an attorney in NY
> >state, and this list popped up...I laughed my ass off:
> >http://www.clr.org/ny.html
>
> Sickening. =A0Does anyone here NOT believe that our US judicial system
> is screwed up?
>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =
Louis L'Amour
I wasn't laughing because I thought it was funny!
On Nov 28, 1:22=A0pm, David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 6:13=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I finished high school in The Netherlands.
>
> Well the Dutch tend to have very good English in my experience. The
> Germans too, but they will apologise for their lack of English before
> speaking it near perfectly.
Yous guys. Curdles my blood. I cried typing it. yous..... wtf? The
plural of you? "How's yous guys? *retching*
On Nov 29, 9:06=A0pm, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On 11/29/10 6:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> >> -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
>
> >>>> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
>
> >>> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>
> >>> Why? =A0 Simply because of usage.
>
> >> Same for "conversate".
>
> > "commentate"
> > "orientate"
>
> Masturbate
Is that a suggestion or a command?!
On Nov 27, 3:34=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/27/10 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
> > Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
> > what the common man has written, but people get grumpy when you correct
> > their grammar so I usually just keep it to myself. However, since the
> > can of worms is open, two others that I JUST don't understand are "to"
> > vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "loose". How can so MANY get them so wrong?
> > And don't get me started on superfluous apostrophes. :-)
>
> > And now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic meanderings. :-)
>
> I give benefit of the doubt to most errors which can be attributed to
> fast typing, unless it's habitual... and we both know those guys. :-)
>
> What I have (not "I've got") little patience for is mixed tense...
> specifically, "has got" or "have got" and their corresponding
> contractions, such as, "you've got to see this," or 'he's got it."
>
> There are grammar web sites that claim this is correct and it simply is
> not. Or they claim it's ok in informal discussion. "Informal discussion"
> is the new term for slang.
>
> I have no problem with it when actually used in informal discussion.
> What's driving me crazy is its common use in documentary script. It's
> become completely common in TV narration on the History channel,
> Discovery channel, and dare I say it.... PBS.
>
You have GOT to be kidding....
.
.
.
g,d&r
On Nov 28, 1:46=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> I stayed out of the Dutch draft by moving to the US after graduating from
> university. =A0I had the intent that my work would yield a doctorate. =A0=
It
> did, eventually. =A0During that time of deferments to complete my doctora=
te
> work I aged so much that I became ineligible for the Dutch draft, but
> somehow eligible for a US green card. =A0I learned most of my English in
> high school and college, since almost all my books in (bio)chemistry at
> the time ('63 to '69) were in (American) English. =A0And thereafter
> Massachusetts taught me. =A0Example, my driving examinator confused me
> because he said that I would get a card in the mail and then had to go
> get my pitcher. =A0I figured out that meant picture, not the baseball guy=
.
I have to say, different accents have never really bothered me. I tend
to think that if the person has a grasp of syntax and vocabulary, then
however they speak can be compensated for by a competent listener. For
example, there are many different accents in the UK, but we all tend
to get along quite happily.
I had an argument with a cousin of mine once - she was trying to
convince everyone around her that words with 'oo' (book, cook, look,
etc) must ALWAYS be pronounce with the oo as in 'ooh-la-la', and not
'cut'. Now I can accept that in regional accents this may be true for
certain words, but have you ever heard the word 'foot' pronounced that
way? We quickly resumed drinking.
My personal b=EAte noire is the mispronunciation of words like bath or
grass. Typically, southerners get it wrong and end up offending my
ears with bahth and grahss, which to me should be spelt baath and
graass. I'm boring myself now. I'll just stop.
On 11/27/2010 1:42 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Nov 27, 11:34 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> my youngest daughter made the best home
>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>> Leon and I ....
>>
>> I only got one ... :(
>>
>
>
> Did you "sue" Leon (bar him from your shop) or just smack him with
> your hammer?
What the hell is a "hammer"??
Got a link? Quick, while me still got money, left ...
(how's that frustration level doing now, David?) <g>
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:18:10 -0800 (PST), David Paste
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 8:15 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (Where's that damn nun when you need her ...)
>
>Probably working out the interest rates on her loansharking.
Probably on the Internet, searching for Swingy's physical address so
she can wallop him for the missing question mark, and his grating
grammer and ornery manner of late.
--
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of life, for increased appreciation of all one sees or experiences.
It should equip a person to live life well, to understand what is
happening around him, for to live life well one must live life with
awareness. -- Louis L'Amour
On Nov 29, 8:54=A0am, David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 8:22=A0am, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
> > Yeah? =A0
>
> > Just what term *would* you use to describe doing something "without irr=
egard"?
>
> With regard, or more likely, a headache and a cup of tea.
..and what's with that "fact of the matter" crap, eh?
Swingman wrote:
> On 11/27/2010 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
>>> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the
>>>> best home made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out
>>>> to the shop for Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together
>>>> for the latest kitchen.
>>>
>>> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>>>
>>> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
>>> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
>>> itself!)
>>
>> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
>> what the common man has written ...
>
> Shirt happens ...
>
> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
> still care about the English language, all too of you.
Where's it at? Or should I ax somebody else?
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"Markem" wrote:
> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
> the
> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
> as
> a language I understand how to use.
------------------------------
That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying to
correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
that passes for correct grammar these days.
Lew
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote >
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Shirt happens ...
>>
>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>>
> Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
> however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
> My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
> anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
> Art
>
How about peak instead of pique??
And do they even understand what pique means?
On 2010-11-27 12:07:40 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
Actually, the suit is over new Dove packaging and its use of orange,
though Hershey admits there are shades of orange other than that
trademarked for Reese's packaging.
Wasn't it in this newsgroup where it was recently noted that 3M has
trademarked "purple," though it was unclear whether it was the word or
the color that was trademarked? In any case, isn't it nice to know that
in these days or high unemployement, the copyright lawyers likely will
not need to search for new jobs!
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> True, but look at the two packages side by side.
> http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_competitor_mar.html
>
> Confused? If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15
> seconds.
------------------------------
In the legal community think it's called job security.
BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
The population of the USA is about 310 million.
IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
Lew
On 11/28/2010 5:38 AM, JG wrote:
>
>> David Paste wrote:
>>
>> If you're fingers start tingling, go straight to hospital!
>>
>> Or is it "a" hospital; are maybe "an" hospital??
>>
>
> Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
> the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
> indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
>
> So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
>
> The special case of 'H' being followed by 'Y' doesn't cause a
> problem because the 'H' is always aspirated.
>
Honest?
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Only a lawyer can see the similarities in a shade of brown. One is a
> big orange wrapper with some printing, the other is a big brown
> wrapper with more subtle printing. From 100 yards you can tell them
> apart. Case dismissed!
>
>
Sounds like a case for the "skeet shooting" test. Flip a coin and load the
candy bars in the launchers. The shooter goes after whichever package the
coin indicates. 90% success, automatic lawsuit fail.
Puckdropper
--
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David Paste wrote:
> Over here, there is a marked lack of overall language skills in
> youngsters these days. I don't just say this as a moaning adult, but
> my niece and nephew - who go to quite a respectable school - do have
> difficulty in the finer aspects of language.
I have no children but my observation of hundreds leads me to believe that
the single most important thing in their obtaining decent language skills is
for their parents to have those skills. If the parents don't have them, I
suspect it is a losing battle for the schools to instill them; in most
cases, not all.
Case in point: my wife's brother (half, fortunately) spent ten years at
decent universities. He is hard pressed to string together three words into
a grammatically correct spoken sentence. His writing is even worse. My
wife does fine which surprises me as they were raised in the same household.
Must be her contact with me :)
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
>
>> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
>
> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>
> Why? Simply because of usage.
Same for "conversate".
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JG wrote:
>> in 1484146 20101128 123822 JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
>>> the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
>>> indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
>>>
>>> So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
>>
>>
>> It's "a hospital" in BrE (and sometimes "a hotel").
>> What part of the UK are you in??
>
>
> While I would concede that you would aspirate the H of hospital when
> not using the indefinite article : "I have to go to hospital", you
> wouldn't do so when talking in the abstract.
>
> I cannot think of any occasion when I would aspirate the H of hotel.
Here in the USA we say things like, "They stayed in a hotel last night".
<hoe-TEL>
Few folks here would say, "They stayed in an hotel last night". <oh-TEL>
IMO, YMMV, HAND
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On 11/27/2010 11:07 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
Being color blind, I will immediately advise my 300lb Samoan attorney to
file suit against Hershey for blatant discrimination ...
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:34:03 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>There are grammar web sites that claim this is correct and it simply is
>not. Or they claim it's ok in informal discussion. "Informal discussion"
>is the new term for slang.
English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by the
time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers as
a language I understand how to use.
Mark
On Nov 29, 12:05=A0am, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> How about "supposeably"?
And its cousin "Irregardless"?
...and somebody has to take out the garbage.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In the legal community think it's called job security.
BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
The population of the USA is about 310 million.
IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
Lew
On Nov 27, 11:12=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Him and me seen it.
Swine!
On Nov 28, 6:13=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I finished high school in The Netherlands.
Well the Dutch tend to have very good English in my experience. The
Germans too, but they will apologise for their lack of English before
speaking it near perfectly.
On Nov 28, 6:10=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 1:22=A0pm, David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 28, 6:13=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I finished high school in The Netherlands.
>
> > Well the Dutch tend to have very good English in my experience. The
> > Germans too, but they will apologise for their lack of English before
> > speaking it near perfectly.
>
> Yous guys. Curdles my blood. I cried typing it. yous..... wtf? The
> plural of you? "How's yous guys? *retching*
Oh..oh.oh... here's another one I can't stand: (pronounced as)
eKcetera.. on etcetera with a T, but eKcetera.....*barfs*
On Nov 28, 12:49=A0pm, David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 1:24=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
> > with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
> > take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
> > after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
> > shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
> > the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
> > If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
> > months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
> > goes for their kids too.
>
> What is your first language?
>
I finished high school in The Netherlands.
in 1484146 20101128 123822 JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
>the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
>indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
>
>So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
It's "a hospital" in BrE (and sometimes "a hotel").
What part of the UK are you in??
in 1484416 20101130 100216 JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> in 1484146 20101128 123822 JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
>> >the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
>> >indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
>> >
>> >So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
>>
>>
>> It's "a hospital" in BrE (and sometimes "a hotel").
>> What part of the UK are you in??
>
>
>While I would concede that you would aspirate the H of hospital when
>not using the indefinite article : "I have to go to hospital", you
>wouldn't do so when talking in the abstract.
>
>I cannot think of any occasion when I would aspirate the H of hotel.
>
>Warwickshire.
>
>How would you spell the name of the letter 'H'?
Aitch.
But that has nothing to do with it (think W!)
BTW google gives 12,400,000 hits for "a hospital" but only 181,000 hits
for "an hospital" - and most of the latter are discussing usage.
On Nov 28, 1:24=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
> with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
> take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
> after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
> shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
> the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
> If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
> months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
> goes for their kids too.
What is your first language?
Over here, there is a marked lack of overall language skills in
youngsters these days. I don't just say this as a moaning adult, but
my niece and nephew - who go to quite a respectable school - do have
difficulty in the finer aspects of language. It saddens me. The
education curriculum for teens here is so packed with frankly
unnecessary subjects that the core subjects suffer as a result. It's
like the system is now set up to allow people to be taught /just/ the
bare minimum and nothing else. Actually, various members of the family
are teachers, and their take is that schooling is designed to get the
kids to pass tests and exams to look good in comparison tables.
Shocking. Luckily, my niece & nephew have a family who are willing to
pick up on their language and teach them on the go, as it were (an
excellent way, really); even though when my cousins, brother and I had
to endure the same, we vowed to stamp out this hideous practice, which
was clearly tantamount to child abuse. It is really quite amazing what
being able to communicate above the level of a 9 year old (commonly
used as a reference here due to the legend that tabloids are written
to this level) can bring.
As for National Service - yes, I have to say that it is probably a
good idea for all people, not just new arrivals. I have not met one
person who did national service in their home country who didn't
appreciate what it did for them.
On Nov 27, 8:39=A0pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> > product since 1985 either.)
>
> > Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> > infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> > brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> >http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3D5785551
>
> > They have lost their mind.
>
> Colors (used in packaging) CAN be trademarked. This is codified in U.S. l=
aw
> and also in the international Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of
> Intellectual Property Rights, including Trade in Counterfeit Goods of the
> TRIPS Agreement.
>
> "In conclusion, in spite of precedent setting lawsuits, the laws of color
> ownership are in flux. Prior rulings are frequently reversed by subsequen=
t
> lawsuits. Consequently, companies continue to take legal action and milli=
ons
> are spent to defend the rights to color."
>
> The Supreme Court held in the 1995 case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Produ=
cts
> Co., 115 S.Ct. 1300 (1995) that the green-gold color of a dry cleaning pr=
ess
> pad can function as a trademark.
>
> http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/devices.html
So you would inadvertently grab a Dove bar when you were meaning to
get a Peanut Butter Cup from Hershey's? Just because it is legal
doesn't make it right.
On Nov 27, 7:20=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>
> It was called "manners" where I grew up ... trumped grammar every time
> after the damned nun's beat the me/we out of us for that very reason.
They're a bloody nuisance, them Nuns.
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:24:01 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 7:47 pm, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"Markem" wrote:
>>
>> >> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
>> >> the
>> >> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
>> >> as
>> >> a language I understand how to use.
>> >------------------------------
>> >That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying to
>> >correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
>>
>> >My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
>> >that passes for correct grammar these days.
>>
>> If it was not for Summer Theatre being an English credit I would not
>> have qualified for my High School diploma. Those were the rules and I
>> bent them a bit. I attempt not to butcher English but not always
>> successfully.
>>
>> Mark
>
>As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
>with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
>take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
>after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
>shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
>the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
>If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
>months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
>goes for their kids too.
So what happens when you stop to realize that your entire Army, Navy,
Air Force, and Marines are made up of foreign nationals, hmm?
Please, it's bad enough as it is with the courts mandating that
criminals go into the armed forces to avoid jail time.
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On Nov 27, 2:52=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/27/2010 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
> >> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best h=
ome
> >>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop fo=
r
> >>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest
> >>> kitchen.
>
> >> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>
> >> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
> >> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
> >> itself!)
>
> > Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
> > what the common man has written =A0...
>
> Shirt happens ...
>
> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>
Would their be room for me? Hopefully your going to make room for
other people to?
On Nov 28, 9:41=A0pm, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have no children but my observation of hundreds leads me to believe tha=
t
> the single most important thing in their obtaining decent language skills=
is
> for their parents to have those skills. =A0If the parents don't have them=
, I
> suspect it is a losing battle for the schools to instill them; in most
> cases, not all.
Yep, I'd go for that! The family teachers have mentioned something
similar before now.
> Case in point: my wife's brother (half, fortunately) spent ten years at
> decent universities. =A0He is hard pressed to string together three words=
into
> a grammatically correct spoken sentence. =A0 His writing is even worse.
I find it a bit sad really - not in a patronising "isn't it a shame"
way, but spoken language is the primary method for most people to
convey their thoughts and ideas. It must be terribly frustrating to
not be able to get your point across clearly. A lot of bad behaviour
in certain children is down to this, apparently.
> My wife does fine which surprises me as they were raised in the same
> household. Must be her contact with me =A0:)
Undoubtedly!
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Shirt happens ...
>>
>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would
>> like
>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks
>> who
>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>>
> Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
> however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
> My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
> anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
> Art
>
>
>
I always wondered if Voilà! Voilà!, Washington was founded as a
French settlement.
Regards,
EH
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Since it's founding, the Hershey company has harkened to it's founder's
> motto: "Make a good product and put your name on it as big as you can."
>
> This reliance on product branding is rife throughout the company - it's a
> big deal within the Hershey company. That's probably why they went bridal
> over something they considered similar.
>
Only a lawyer can see the similarities in a shade of brown. One is a big
orange wrapper with some printing, the other is a big brown wrapper with
more subtle printing. From 100 yards you can tell them apart. Case
dismissed!
Odd - the two companies normally get along with each other.
From time to time one or the other asks for help from the other
in getting some chocolate raw materials. Their supplier was
caught in a storm or whatnot.
They have a pact that they help each other. I suppose some one
just got a new kid out of Harvard or Yale and had to test...
Martin
On 11/27/2010 11:07 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
>
> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
It was called "manners" where I grew up ... trumped grammar every time
after the damned nun's beat the me/we out of us for that very reason.
>
> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
> itself!)
It's too cold 'ere for I to be in the shed also ...
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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/29/10 6:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
>>>
>>>> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
>>>
>>> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>>>
>>> Why? Simply because of usage.
>>
>> Same for "conversate".
>>
>
> "commentate"
> "orientate"
Masturbate
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Lew
>
>
gr8 it'll get wurs as the txt gnrtn duz mor txtng
CU
I like the usage of such words as "supposably" and "irregardless"
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Try using "gurgitate" in place of "eat" or "consume" and watch the
expressions.
Art
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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regurgitate
-----------
On 11/28/2010 3:02 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:45:46 -0600, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2010 8:06 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:18:25 -0600, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
>>>> replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
>>>
>>> But I was starving.
>>
>> Well then good job. :-)
>>
>>> Tis a bird in hand, the middle finger is.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>
>> What, *another* person who doesn't like to have their grammar corrected? How
>> many of you ARE there anyway? :-)
>
> Billions but most are tweeting.
LOL ...
Anyone optimistically presumptuous to the extent they assume online
grammar can be corrected brings to mind the proverbial ant crawling up
an elephants hind leg with rape in mind.
Not to mention that many folks may be quite grammatical when speaking,
but have fingers that stumble ass over tea kettle when using the keyboard.
Basically, a smug presumption of grammatical superiority is likely to be
delusional at best, and showing your ass at worst.
AFAIC, knock yourselves out, but fuck you in advance ...
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In article <[email protected]>,
David Paste <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 29, 12:05 am, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> How about "supposeably"?
>
>And its cousin "Irregardless"?
Yeah?
Just what term *would* you use to describe doing something "without irregard"?
In article <[email protected]>,
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/27/10 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
>> what the common man has written, but people get grumpy when you correct
>> their grammar so I usually just keep it to myself. However, since the
>> can of worms is open, two others that I JUST don't understand are "to"
>> vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "loose". How can so MANY get them so wrong?
>> And don't get me started on superfluous apostrophes. :-)
>>
>> And now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic meanderings. :-)
>>
>
>I give benefit of the doubt to most errors which can be attributed to
>fast typing, unless it's habitual... and we both know those guys. :-)
>
>What I have (not "I've got") little patience for is mixed tense...
>specifically, "has got" or "have got" and their corresponding
>contractions, such as, "you've got to see this," or 'he's got it."
Professor 'Enry 'Iggins takes exception to your categoriztion.
George Bernard Shaw concurs.
In article <[email protected]>,
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/27/10 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
>> what the common man has written, but people get grumpy when you correct
>> their grammar so I usually just keep it to myself. However, since the
>> can of worms is open, two others that I JUST don't understand are "to"
>> vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "loose". How can so MANY get them so wrong?
>> And don't get me started on superfluous apostrophes. :-)
>>
>> And now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic meanderings. :-)
>>
>
>I give benefit of the doubt to most errors which can be attributed to
>fast typing, unless it's habitual... and we both know those guys. :-)
>
>What I have (not "I've got") little patience for is mixed tense...
>specifically, "has got" or "have got" and their corresponding
>contractions, such as, "you've got to see this," or 'he's got it."
That last form _IS_ a correct usage. For which the indicated treatement is
usually to administer penecillin.
<grin>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Robatoy wrote:
> > No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> > product since 1985 either.)
> >
> > Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> > infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> > brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
> >
> > http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
> >
> > They have lost their mind.
>
> Colors (used in packaging) CAN be trademarked. This is codified in U.S. law
> and also in the international Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of
> Intellectual Property Rights, including Trade in Counterfeit Goods of the
> TRIPS Agreement.
>
> "In conclusion, in spite of precedent setting lawsuits, the laws of color
> ownership are in flux. Prior rulings are frequently reversed by subsequent
> lawsuits. Consequently, companies continue to take legal action and millions
> are spent to defend the rights to color."
>
> The Supreme Court held in the 1995 case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products
> Co., 115 S.Ct. 1300 (1995) that the green-gold color of a dry cleaning press
> pad can function as a trademark.
>
> http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/devices.html
In this case though M&M packages have been brown for as long as I can
remember--if they have any sense the courts will tell Hershey that that
ship sailed before anybody present in the courtroom was born. And if
there was any justice they'd also award M&Ms punitive damages for their
trouble in putting up with Hershey's harassment.
And the statute needs to be changed so that only unique and distinctive
colors or combinations of color are protected, and that packaging that
approximates the natural color of the commonplace product contained
therein is _never_ protected. Either that or there has to be a "common
sense" test given to judges before they are allowed to take the bench.
Perhaps we need a Constitutional Amendment to the effect that if a
matter brought before the judge makes the judge giggle or do a facepalm,
the finding is immediately for the defendant, the plaintiff pays all
costs including inconvenience to the defendant, and counsel for the
plaintiff is immediately and permanently disbarred.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> >>If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
> >>months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
> >>goes for their kids too.
> >
> > So what happens when you stop to realize that your entire Army, Navy,
> > Air Force, and Marines are made up of foreign nationals, hmm?
> >
> > Please, it's bad enough as it is with the courts mandating that
> > criminals go into the armed forces to avoid jail time.
>
> They should bring back the draft for everyone. The military made men out of
> a lot of mama's boys and taught them about respect.
Nahh. That worked in WWII when everybody wanted to go but there weren't
enough facilities to train them, didn't work so well in Vietnam when
nobody wanted to be there. What we've got now works so leave it alone.
The purpose of the military is to fight wars, not to "make men out of a
lot of mama's boys".
As for the courts mandating that criminals go into the armed forces, the
armed forces will not take people under that circumstance.
> David Paste wrote:
>
> If you're fingers start tingling, go straight to hospital!
>
> Or is it "a" hospital; are maybe "an" hospital??
>
Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
The special case of 'H' being followed by 'Y' doesn't cause a
problem because the 'H' is always aspirated.
JG
In article <rMGdnQsgvIbf-
[email protected]>, [email protected]
bonomi.com says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 2010-11-27 12:07:40 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:
> >
> >> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> >> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> >> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
> >
> >Actually, the suit is over new Dove packaging and its use of orange,
> >though Hershey admits there are shades of orange other than that
> >trademarked for Reese's packaging.
> >
> >Wasn't it in this newsgroup where it was recently noted that 3M has
> >trademarked "purple," though it was unclear whether it was the word or
> >the color that was trademarked? In any case, isn't it nice to know that
> >in these days or high unemployement, the copyright lawyers likely will
> >not need to search for new jobs!
>
> Owens Corning has a registered trademark on the color PINK. (for their
> fiberglas insulation.)
>
> The Boston Red Sox hold a trademark on the shade of green that the stadium
> wall is painted. You _can_ get paint in that shade, but part of the price
> is a royalty to the ball team.
>
> E.I. Du Pont has -- many years ago -- trademarked the oval, as a unique
> design element in their logo.
Don't anybody tell Ford that.
Do you have a source for that information? I can't find anything on the
duPont site that suggests that an oval, devoid of the word "duPont", is
a registered trademark. Further, the US Patent and Trademark office has
no record of a geometric figure being registered to DuPont.
>
> in 1484146 20101128 123822 JG <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Wherever the 'H' is not aspirated (therefore not pronounced)
> >the second letter provides the solution to the rule for the
> >indefinite article : 'a' before a consonant, 'an' before a vowel.
> >
> >So, it is an (h)ospital, an (h)otel, an (h)onour, an (h)our etc.
>
>
> It's "a hospital" in BrE (and sometimes "a hotel").
> What part of the UK are you in??
While I would concede that you would aspirate the H of hospital when
not using the indefinite article : "I have to go to hospital", you
wouldn't do so when talking in the abstract.
I cannot think of any occasion when I would aspirate the H of hotel.
Warwickshire.
How would you spell the name of the letter 'H'?
JG
In article <[email protected]>,
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "Lee
>Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>How about peak instead of pique??
>>
>>And do they even understand what pique means?
>
>One that always irritates me is "it didn't phase him".
Well, he -wasn't- an electrician, or a conductor, was he?
OTOH, there was the person who was absolutely flabbergasted to see a
person 'drop trou' in a public venue. It was reported that the look
on their face was the faze of the moon.
z
In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
>>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
>>
>> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>
>It was called "manners" where I grew up ... trumped grammar every time
>after the damned nun's beat the me/we out of us for that very reason.
If I understand corretly, you're saying that its a simple case of 'force of
_habit_', eh?
<<*GRIN*>>
On 11/27/2010 2:06 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2:52 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/27/2010 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
>>>> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
>>>>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>>>>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest
>>>>> kitchen.
>>
>>>> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>>
>>>> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
>>>> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
>>>> itself!)
>>
>>> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
>>> what the common man has written ...
>>
>> Shirt happens ...
>>
>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>>
> Would their be room for me? Hopefully your going to make room for
> other people to?
Me await you're participation with baited breath ...
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Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> Colors (used in packaging) CAN be trademarked. This is codified in
>> U.S. law and also in the international Agreement on Trade-Related
>> Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, including Trade in
>> Counterfeit Goods of the TRIPS Agreement.
>>
>> "In conclusion, in spite of precedent setting lawsuits, the laws of
>> color ownership are in flux. Prior rulings are frequently reversed
>> by subsequent lawsuits. Consequently, companies continue to take
>> legal action and millions are spent to defend the rights to color."
>>
>> The Supreme Court held in the 1995 case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson
>> Products Co., 115 S.Ct. 1300 (1995) that the green-gold color of a
>> dry cleaning press pad can function as a trademark.
>>
>> http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/devices.html
>
> So you would inadvertently grab a Dove bar when you were meaning to
> get a Peanut Butter Cup from Hershey's? Just because it is legal
> doesn't make it right.
Go up to someone not familiar with this story and ask the simple question:
"When you think of chocolate bars, what company comes to mind?"
The vast majority will respond "Hershey."
Now ask them "When's the last time you saw a Hershey commercial? On TV, in a
magazine, a billboard, anywhere?" They'll be hard-pressed to remember even
one.
Since it's founding, the Hershey company has harkened to it's founder's
motto: "Make a good product and put your name on it as big as you can."
This reliance on product branding is rife throughout the company - it's a
big deal within the Hershey company. That's probably why they went bridal
over something they considered similar.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
>>months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
>>goes for their kids too.
>
> So what happens when you stop to realize that your entire Army, Navy,
> Air Force, and Marines are made up of foreign nationals, hmm?
>
> Please, it's bad enough as it is with the courts mandating that
> criminals go into the armed forces to avoid jail time.
They should bring back the draft for everyone. The military made men out of
a lot of mama's boys and taught them about respect.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Colors (used in packaging) CAN be trademarked. This is codified in U.S.
> law and also in the international Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of
> Intellectual Property Rights, including Trade in Counterfeit Goods of the
> TRIPS Agreement.
True, but look at the two packages side by side.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_competitor_mar.html
Confused? If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15 seconds.
On 11/28/2010 5:29 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/28/2010 5:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/28/2010 5:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Oh..oh.oh... here's another one I can't stand: (pronounced as)
>>> eKcetera.. on etcetera with a T, but eKcetera.....*barfs*
>>
>> The language of 2moro!
>>
>
> How topical and timely:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherhowse/8095612/It-aint-what-you-say.-.-..html
And there you have an inkling of why the English take offense to the
misuse/abuse of English ... it is a sign of class distinction that goes
back centuries, upfront for all to hear and most difficult to hide.
I'm currently reading everything by the 19th century English author,
George Gissing (1857-1903), that Gutenberg Press has to offer for download:
http://textual.net/access.gutenberg/1/George.Gissing
One of the recurring themes in his books is accent and grammatical mores
being a hallmark of class distinction. In "New Grub Street", the mother
of one of the protagonists has never been able to live down her lower
class upbringing due to her accent and manner of speaking and thus is
basically an outcast in her family, and a lifelong embarassment to her
husband's efforts to raise himself above poverty.
Pretty stark, historically powerful and insidious stuff, this "proper"
use of the King's/Queen's English ... ... just ask 'enry 'iggins and Eliza.
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On 11/28/2010 5:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/28/2010 5:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Oh..oh.oh... here's another one I can't stand: (pronounced as)
>> eKcetera.. on etcetera with a T, but eKcetera.....*barfs*
>
> The language of 2moro!
>
How topical and timely:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherhowse/8095612/It-aint-what-you-say.-.-..html
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On 11/27/2010 2:18 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 27, 8:15 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (Where's that damn nun when you need her ...)
>
> Probably working out the interest rates on her loansharking.
Hell, with all the gold I saw just on the walls at the Vatican you would
think they could just retire and forego work of any kind.
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On 11/27/2010 2:10 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 27, 7:59 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (how's that frustration level doing now, David?)<g>
>
> There's a sharp pain running down my left arm now.
If you're fingers start tingling, go straight to hospital!
Or is it "a" hospital; are maybe "an" hospital??
(Where's that damn nun when you need her ...)
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...and somebody has to take out the garbage.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In the legal community think it's called job security.
BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
The population of the USA is about 310 million.
IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
Lew
On 11/27/2010 2:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> I have no problem with it when actually used in informal discussion.
> What's driving me crazy is its common use in documentary script. It's
> become completely common in TV narration on the History channel,
> Discovery channel, and dare I say it.... PBS.
Considering that English was a second language for many of my teachers
early on, it's amazing we learned grammar of any sort.
We were told repeatedly never to use "me" when listing yourself after
others ... and to do so was to be ill mannered as well (thank you,
Sister Mary Catherine, for that bit of ill advised wisdom). It wasn't
until I got into college that I learned not all considered that
grammatically correct.
So, apparently there are three of you??
;)
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On 11/27/2010 2:44 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/27/2010 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
>>>> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the
>>>>> best home made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out
>>>>> to the shop for Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together
>>>>> for the latest kitchen.
>>>>
>>>> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>>>>
>>>> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
>>>> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
>>>> itself!)
>>>
>>> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
>>> what the common man has written ...
>>
>> Shirt happens ...
>>
>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>
> Where's it at? Or should I ax somebody else?
>
Mais cher, I'll told you dis about dat ...
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Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:d2930616-2678-4d81-b5b8-
[email protected]:
> As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
> with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
> take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
> after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
> shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
> the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
> If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
> months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
> goes for their kids too.
I stayed out of the Dutch draft by moving to the US after graduating from
university. I had the intent that my work would yield a doctorate. It
did, eventually. During that time of deferments to complete my doctorate
work I aged so much that I became ineligible for the Dutch draft, but
somehow eligible for a US green card. I learned most of my English in
high school and college, since almost all my books in (bio)chemistry at
the time ('63 to '69) were in (American) English. And thereafter
Massachusetts taught me. Example, my driving examinator confused me
because he said that I would get a card in the mail and then had to go
get my pitcher. I figured out that meant picture, not the baseball guy.
There are other amusing stories, but generally I'm appalled at the
butchery of the language by even college-educated people.
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On Nov 27, 7:32=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> However, since the can of worms is open, two
> others that I JUST don't understand are "to" vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "l=
oose".
There / their / they're, and the new scourge: text speak. Argh!
Although why it is called text 'speak' when it is concerned with the
corruption of spellings, I have no idea.
> =A0 How can so MANY get them so wrong? =A0And don't get me started on sup=
erfluous
> apostrophes. =A0:-)
Well, I am not sure about where you are from, but over here it is
those pesky politicians interfering in things they have no idea about,
like education.
On Nov 27, 11:40=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:24:01 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Nov 27, 7:47 pm, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >"Markem" wrote:
>
> >> >> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
> >> >> the
> >> >> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
> >> >> as
> >> >> a language I understand how to use.
> >> >------------------------------
> >> >That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying t=
o
> >> >correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
>
> >> >My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
> >> >that passes for correct grammar these days.
>
> >> If it was not for Summer Theatre being an English credit I would not
> >> have qualified for my High School diploma. Those were the rules and I
> >> bent them a bit. I attempt not to butcher English but not always
> >> successfully.
>
> >> Mark
>
> >As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
> >with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
> >take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
> >after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
> >shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
> >the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
> >If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
> >months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
> >goes for their kids too.
>
> So what happens when you stop to realize that your entire Army, Navy,
> Air Force, and Marines are made up of foreign nationals, hmm?
>
You don't give them guns, you fool!
You get them into reforestation and rescue jobs, for chrissakes...
On Nov 29, 4:06=A0pm, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On 11/29/10 6:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> >> -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
>
> >>>> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
>
> >>> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>
> >>> Why? =A0 Simply because of usage.
>
> >> Same for "conversate".
>
> > "commentate"
> > "orientate"
>
> Masturbate
regurgitate
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:45:46 -0600, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/28/2010 8:06 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:18:25 -0600, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
>>> replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
>>
>> But I was starving.
>
>Well then good job. :-)
>
>> Tis a bird in hand, the middle finger is.
>>
>> Mark
>
>What, *another* person who doesn't like to have their grammar corrected? How
>many of you ARE there anyway? :-)
Billions but most are tweeting.
Mark
On Nov 28, 5:38=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Reap what you sow.
D'oh!
(I'm having roast pork for my dinner, as it happens...)
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Shirt happens ...
>>
>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>>
> Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
> however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
> My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
> anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
> Art
Sorry, but in modern vernacular, it's "there error." I think maybe your
being too sensitive, two.
Steve, ducking and running
On Nov 27, 5:34=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen=
.
Me. Leon and Me, not I.
(Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
itself!)
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 08:24:14 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
>>>months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
>>>goes for their kids too.
>>
>> So what happens when you stop to realize that your entire Army, Navy,
>> Air Force, and Marines are made up of foreign nationals, hmm?
>>
>> Please, it's bad enough as it is with the courts mandating that
>> criminals go into the armed forces to avoid jail time.
>
>They should bring back the draft for everyone. The military made men out of
>a lot of mama's boys and taught them about respect.
I'd rather leave slavery for dead.
On Nov 29, 1:59=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> ..and what's with that "fact of the matter" crap, eh?
It's probably the aliens.
On Nov 27, 7:47=A0pm, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Markem" wrote:
>
> >> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
> >> the
> >> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
> >> as
> >> a language I understand how to use.
> >------------------------------
> >That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying to
> >correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
>
> >My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
> >that passes for correct grammar these days.
>
> If it was not for Summer Theatre being an English credit I would not
> have qualified for my High School diploma. Those were the rules and I
> bent them a bit. I attempt not to butcher English but not always
> successfully.
>
> Mark
As English is my second language, I have tried to speak and write it
with the utmost respect. I figure that any foreign country willing to
take my sorry ass deserves that. To help with that, I took drama, and
after high school, English Literature at University of Toronto for
shits and giggles. Just one year, mind you, because I couldn't handle
the snooty fucks that were in the same class.
If *I* was running this country, mandatory armed force service for 24
months for all immigrants. No exceptions... and that automatically
goes for their kids too.
On Nov 28, 11:13=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Yous guys. Curdles my blood. I cried typing it. yous..... wtf? The
> > plural of you? "How's yous guys? *retching*
>
> Oh..oh.oh... here's another one I can't stand: (pronounced as)
> eKcetera.. on etcetera with a T, but eKcetera.....*barfs*
Off of. Argh! Seems to be perfectly acceptable in N. America though,
but here it makes one sound like an imbecile.
The replacement of 'th' with 'v': Fahver rather than father. Makes me
want to dance a bad dance.
On Nov 27, 8:44=A0pm, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Where's it at? =A0Or should I ax somebody else?
You just had to lower the tone, didn't you!
On Nov 27, 8:15=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> (Where's that damn nun when you need her ...)
Probably working out the interest rates on her loansharking.
On Nov 27, 11:34=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> my youngest daughter made the best home
> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
> Leon and I ....
>
> I only got one ... :(
>
Did you "sue" Leon (bar him from your shop) or just smack him with
your hammer?
Sonny
On Nov 27, 8:21=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hell, with all the gold I saw just on the walls at the Vatican you would
> think they could just retire and forego work of any kind.
Well, gold is pretty good heat shield, so clearly they are defending
us form the heat of hell. Of course, that implies hell is somewhere in
the Vatican, but that's not such a stretch of the imagination!
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 11:19 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> > True, but look at the two packages side by side.
>> >http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_co...
>>
>> > Confused? If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15
>> > seconds.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> In the legal community think it's called job security.
>>
>> BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
>>
>> There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
>>
>> The population of the USA is about 310 million.
>>
>> IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
>>
>> Wonder how many doctors and/or engineers there are?
>>
>> Lew
>
>I was looking up an address of a friend of mine, an attorney in NY
>state, and this list popped up...I laughed my ass off:
>http://www.clr.org/ny.html
Sickening. Does anyone here NOT believe that our US judicial system
is screwed up?
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:45:46 -0600, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/28/2010 8:06 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:18:25 -0600, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
>>> replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
>>
>> But I was starving.
>
>Well then good job. :-)
>
>> Tis a bird in hand, the middle finger is.
>>
>> Mark
>
>What, *another* person who doesn't like to have their grammar corrected? How
>many of you ARE there anyway? :-)
I think it's a conspiracy, though they couldn't spell that.
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simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:34:30 -0800, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:18:10 -0800 (PST), David Paste
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 27, 8:15 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> (Where's that damn nun when you need her ...)
>>
>>Probably working out the interest rates on her loansharking.
>
>Probably on the Internet, searching for Swingy's physical address so
>she can wallop him for the missing question mark, and his grating
>grammer and ornery manner of late.
-------
Oh, god. I've been around you guys for too, too long.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Markem" wrote:
>
>> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
>> the
>> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
>> as
>> a language I understand how to use.
>------------------------------
>That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying to
>correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
>
>My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
>that passes for correct grammar these days.
If it was not for Summer Theatre being an English credit I would not
have qualified for my High School diploma. Those were the rules and I
bent them a bit. I attempt not to butcher English but not always
successfully.
Mark
On Nov 29, 12:55=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>
> Why? =A0 Simply because of usage.
Which dictionary? To be fair, dictionaries are simply a record of
words-in-use, so not too much use to the militant pedant.
On 11/27/2010 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
>>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest
>>> kitchen.
>>
>> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>>
>> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
>> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
>> itself!)
>
> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
> what the common man has written ...
Shirt happens ...
Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
still care about the English language, all too of you.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:40:50 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Markem" wrote:
>
>> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by
>> the
>> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers
>> as
>> a language I understand how to use.
>------------------------------
>That's no excuse for the absolute butchery of the rules when trying to
>correctly apply the subjective vs. objective case of pronouns.
>
>My teachers would roll over in their graves at the total abomination
>that passes for correct grammar these days.
And it's just as bad in the newspapers, not to mention TV.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
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"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Shirt happens ...
>>>
>>> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
>>> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
>>> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>>>
>> Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
>> however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
>> My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
>> anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
>> Art
>
> Sorry, but in modern vernacular, it's "there error." I think maybe your
> being too sensitive, two.
>
> Steve, ducking and running
Sorry, make that "two sensitive".
On 11/27/10 12:07 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
No crazier than this:
:http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/23/patent-office-agrees-to-facebooks-face-trademark/
That put a frownie on the front of my head.
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The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 11/27/10 11:07 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
There's a drum company with round lugs, who get's their jollies by suing
other drum companies with round lugs for copyright/trademark infringement.
They apparently think they invented the circle. It never gets to court.
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 11/27/2010 12:55 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
>
> Me. Leon and Me, not I.
>
> (Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
> minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
> itself!)
Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums what the
common man has written, but people get grumpy when you correct their grammar so
I usually just keep it to myself. However, since the can of worms is open, two
others that I JUST don't understand are "to" vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "loose".
How can so MANY get them so wrong? And don't get me started on superfluous
apostrophes. :-)
And now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic meanderings. :-)
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On 11/27/10 1:32 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> Oh how many times a day I bite my tongue when I read in public forums
> what the common man has written, but people get grumpy when you correct
> their grammar so I usually just keep it to myself. However, since the
> can of worms is open, two others that I JUST don't understand are "to"
> vs. "too", and "lose" vs. "loose". How can so MANY get them so wrong?
> And don't get me started on superfluous apostrophes. :-)
>
> And now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic meanderings. :-)
>
I give benefit of the doubt to most errors which can be attributed to
fast typing, unless it's habitual... and we both know those guys. :-)
What I have (not "I've got") little patience for is mixed tense...
specifically, "has got" or "have got" and their corresponding
contractions, such as, "you've got to see this," or 'he's got it."
There are grammar web sites that claim this is correct and it simply is
not. Or they claim it's ok in informal discussion. "Informal discussion"
is the new term for slang.
I have no problem with it when actually used in informal discussion.
What's driving me crazy is its common use in documentary script. It's
become completely common in TV narration on the History channel,
Discovery channel, and dare I say it.... PBS.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shirt happens ...
>
> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would like
> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks who
> still care about the English language, all too of you.
>
Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
Art
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Shirt happens ...
> >>
> >> Viola, being the uncommon man that your are, perhaps you to would
> >> like
> >> to be in own my favorite web sight ... it will deal with the folks
> >> who
> >> still care about the English language, all too of you.
> >>
> > Viola? The musical instrument? Kudos for not writing wahlah or
> > however that current bastardization is spelled. God, I hate that.
> > My spine also curls on mute vs moot points. And god forbid if
> > anyone tries to correct the pompous assholes on their error.
> > Art
> >
> >
> >
>
> I always wondered if Voilà! Voilà!, Washington was founded as a
> French settlement.
>
> Regards,
>
> EH
>
Excellent! :~)
Art
On 11/27/10 4:57 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:34:03 -0600, -MIKE-<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> There are grammar web sites that claim this is correct and it simply is
>> not. Or they claim it's ok in informal discussion. "Informal discussion"
>> is the new term for slang.
>
> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by the
> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers as
> a language I understand how to use.
>
> Mark
I remember hearing a college professor say that language evolves, but
should never be an excuse to let it get dumbed down to the lowest common
denominator.
Rent the movie, Idiocracy, and see where we're headed. :-)
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On 11/27/2010 4:57 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:34:03 -0600, -MIKE-<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> There are grammar web sites that claim this is correct and it simply is
>> not. Or they claim it's ok in informal discussion. "Informal discussion"
>> is the new term for slang.
>
> English the living language, it evolves and changes way to fast by the
> time you are forty. Myself at fifty four I will stick with numbers as
> a language I understand how to use.
>
> Mark
Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
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On 11/28/2010 8:06 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:18:25 -0600, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
>> replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
>
> But I was starving.
Well then good job. :-)
> Tis a bird in hand, the middle finger is.
>
> Mark
What, *another* person who doesn't like to have their grammar corrected? How
many of you ARE there anyway? :-)
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In article <[email protected]>, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>>
>How about peak instead of pique??
>
>And do they even understand what pique means?
One that always irritates me is "it didn't phase him".
On 11/28/10 5:02 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>>
>> How about peak instead of pique??
>>
>> And do they even understand what pique means?
>
> One that always irritates me is "it didn't phase him".
Put your phasers on stun.
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On 11/28/2010 5:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 28, 6:10 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 28, 1:22 pm, David Paste<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 28, 6:13 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I finished high school in The Netherlands.
>>
>>> Well the Dutch tend to have very good English in my experience. The
>>> Germans too, but they will apologise for their lack of English before
>>> speaking it near perfectly.
>>
>> Yous guys. Curdles my blood. I cried typing it. yous..... wtf? The
>> plural of you? "How's yous guys? *retching*
>
> Oh..oh.oh... here's another one I can't stand: (pronounced as)
> eKcetera.. on etcetera with a T, but eKcetera.....*barfs*
How about "supposeably"?
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On 11/28/10 5:10 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 28, 1:22 pm, David Paste<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 28, 6:13 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I finished high school in The Netherlands.
>>
>> Well the Dutch tend to have very good English in my experience. The
>> Germans too, but they will apologise for their lack of English before
>> speaking it near perfectly.
>
> Yous guys. Curdles my blood. I cried typing it. yous..... wtf? The
> plural of you? "How's yous guys? *retching*
You'ns
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On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
Which was recently included in the dictionary.
Why? Simply because of usage.
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On 11/29/10 6:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/28/10 6:23 PM, David Paste wrote:
>>
>>> And its cousin "Irregardless"?
>>
>> Which was recently included in the dictionary.
>>
>> Why? Simply because of usage.
>
> Same for "conversate".
>
"commentate"
"orientate"
People seem to be too hungry to speak properly, as they what to "ate"
everything.
(that was terrible)
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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regurgitate
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Try using "gurgitate" in place of "eat" or "consume" and watch the expressions.
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In article <[email protected]>, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Here in the USA we say things like, "They stayed in a hotel last night".
><hoe-TEL>
In many parts of the USA (including the one in which I live), that's
pronounced <HOE-tel> by many people. Fortunately, I grew up farther north, and
know how to pronounce it correctly. The correct *American* pronunciation, that
is, which is the one you gave.
JG <[email protected]> wrote:
: How would you spell the name of the letter 'H'?
: JG
'aitch'.
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> JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : How would you spell the name of the letter 'H'?
>
> : JG
>
> 'aitch'.
>
> -- Andy Barss
>
As in 'a itch'.
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I was looking up an address of a friend of mine, an attorney in NY
> state, and this list popped up...I laughed my ass off:
> http://www.clr.org/ny.html
Wow, quite a few judges also.
"Your Honor, I'll bet you $500 he is guilty". Damn, lost another bet.
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:59:23 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/27/2010 1:42 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 11:34 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> my youngest daughter made the best home
>>> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
>>> Leon and I ....
>>>
>>> I only got one ... :(
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did you "sue" Leon (bar him from your shop) or just smack him with
>> your hammer?
>
>What the hell is a "hammer"??
>
>Got a link? Quick, while me still got money, left ...
>
>(how's that frustration level doing now, David?) <g>
By now, he's likely considering the source. </rimshot>
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In article <[email protected]>,
Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-11-27 12:07:40 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
>> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
>> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
>Actually, the suit is over new Dove packaging and its use of orange,
>though Hershey admits there are shades of orange other than that
>trademarked for Reese's packaging.
>
>Wasn't it in this newsgroup where it was recently noted that 3M has
>trademarked "purple," though it was unclear whether it was the word or
>the color that was trademarked? In any case, isn't it nice to know that
>in these days or high unemployement, the copyright lawyers likely will
>not need to search for new jobs!
Owens Corning has a registered trademark on the color PINK. (for their
fiberglas insulation.)
The Boston Red Sox hold a trademark on the shade of green that the stadium
wall is painted. You _can_ get paint in that shade, but part of the price
is a royalty to the ball team.
E.I. Du Pont has -- many years ago -- trademarked the oval, as a unique
design element in their logo.
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:19:18 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>
>> True, but look at the two packages side by side.
>> http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/11/hershey_co_sues_competitor_mar.html
>>
>> Confused? If I was the judge, that case would be over in 15
>> seconds.
>------------------------------
>In the legal community think it's called job security.
>
>BTW, heard an interesting stat the other day.
>
>There are in excess of 1.1 million attorneys in the USA.
>
>The population of the USA is about 310 million.
>
>IOW, there is an attorney for about every 300 people.
Scary shit, Maynard!
>Wonder how many doctors
800,000, but up to half are threatening to retire due to Obamunism.
Two of my neighbor's doctors have retired and another one is due at
the end of the year. Medicare just told him that he can no longer go
to the doctor every 6 weeks (MD suggestion) to check his meds, he has
to go every month now. This adds more costs to the patients,
overloads the remaining doctors, and costs Medicare more money. How in
the f*ck does this save the gov't money?!?
>and/or engineers there are?
1.5 million, but there are at least another thousand here on
Wreck.Metalheads, right? Here's the breakdown:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
I was unable to quickly google the number of politicians in the USA,
but I fear it is very high.
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Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
Colors (used in packaging) CAN be trademarked. This is codified in U.S. law
and also in the international Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of
Intellectual Property Rights, including Trade in Counterfeit Goods of the
TRIPS Agreement.
"In conclusion, in spite of precedent setting lawsuits, the laws of color
ownership are in flux. Prior rulings are frequently reversed by subsequent
lawsuits. Consequently, companies continue to take legal action and millions
are spent to defend the rights to color."
The Supreme Court held in the 1995 case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products
Co., 115 S.Ct. 1300 (1995) that the green-gold color of a dry cleaning press
pad can function as a trademark.
http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/devices.html
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:18:25 -0600, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Criminy, I JUST got done talking about this in the post to which -MIKE-
>replied. It's "way TOO fast", not "way TO fast" !!!
But I was starving.
Tis a bird in hand, the middle finger is.
Mark
On 11/27/2010 11:07 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
> product since 1985 either.)
>
> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>
> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>
> They have lost their mind.
On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
I only got one ... :(
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:22:44 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Basically, a smug presumption of grammatical superiority is likely to be
>delusional at best, and showing your ass at worst.
>
>AFAIC, knock yourselves out, but fuck you in advance ...
Does not matter to me, what I am really good at is troubleshooting
things (mainly electronic circuitry) and I have yet to meet one that
required I properly address it in English.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 11/27/2010 11:07 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> No more Hershey products for me. (Haven't consciously bought a Coke
>> product since 1985 either.)
>>
>> Hershey Chocolate sues competitor Mars for trademark and copyright
>> infringement, because Mars' wrappers contain "several shades of
>> brown". ON A CHOCOLATE WRAPPER
>>
>> http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5785551
>>
>> They have lost their mind.
>
> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
>
> I only got one ... :(
I got the other 6. ;~)
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On Nov 27, 5:34 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On that same note, the other day my youngest daughter made the best home
> made "Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" and brought them out to the shop for
> Leon and I while we were putting cabinets together for the latest kitchen.
Me. Leon and Me, not I.
(Look, it's too cold here in Britain for me to be in the shed at the
minute, and this is how my lack-of-woodworking frustration manifests
itself!)
Him and me seen it.