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[email protected] (The LoxFather)

09/08/2003 2:47 AM

C plus plus vs C Sharp

Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?


This topic has 16 replies

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Martin Ambuhl

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

13/08/2003 11:01 AM

Johan Lexington wrote:

> C# is a new improved version of C++.

Obviously, no one has any reason to take seriously anything Johan Lexington
has to say. The above was posted by either a troll or an idiot.


--
Martin Ambuhl

PD

Pieter Droogendijk

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 12:54 PM

On 9 Aug 2003 02:47:23 -0700
[email protected] (The LoxFather) wrote:
> Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

Off Topic.
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}

PD

Pieter Droogendijk

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 1:07 PM

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:59:47 +0200
Rolf Magnus <[email protected]> wrote:
> The LoxFather wrote:
>
> > Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> > learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
>
> Ha! Now I also found one, so:
>
> This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.
>

Shit yeah, I didn't see the cross-posting. I never do! Thanks.

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}

PD

Pieter Droogendijk

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 4:53 PM

On 9 Aug 2003 07:31:12 -0700
[email protected] (Brad Sperry) wrote:
> "Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
> independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
> coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.

Don't feed the troll

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c,k,0),x(c,k+=*s-c,s+1),*k):(x(*s,k,s+1),0));else c=10;printf(&x(~0,0,k)[c-~-
c+"1"[~c<-c]],c);}main(){x(0,"^[kXc6]dn_eaoh$%c","-34*1'.+(,03#;+,)/'///*");}

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pete

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 7:38 AM

The LoxFather wrote:
>
> Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/pressroom.asp#higher

"Humans and higher primates share approximately 97%
of their DNA in common.
Recent research in primate programming suggests computing
is a task that most higher primates can easily perform.
Visual Basic 6.0, was the preferred IDE for the majority
of experiment primate subjects.
Test subjects with the best results were baboons and bonobo apes.
Both primate species demonstrated stressful behaviors
when presented with Java tools and utilities.

--
pete

AB

Alan Browne

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

13/08/2003 11:10 PM



Martin Ambuhl wrote:
> Johan Lexington wrote:
>
>> C# is a new improved version of C++.
>
>
> Obviously, no one has any reason to take seriously anything Johan
> Lexington has to say. The above was posted by either a troll or an idiot.
>
>

Congratulations ... you're right on both counts.

PLEASE EVERYONE: DO NOT X-POST REPLIES
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eJ

[email protected] (J French)

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 3:44 PM

On 9 Aug 2003 07:31:12 -0700, [email protected] (Brad Sperry) wrote:

<snip>
>
>Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
>independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
>coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.

ANSI 'C' might be hardware independant

- but most libraries are not

And the majority of C programmers can do squat without their libraries

... of course Windows is a 'Library'

Af

Andre

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

10/08/2003 5:29 AM



Stephen wrote:

> Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
> dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
> VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that came
> with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.

That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
about kangaroos in a book about worms"

> Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
> interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
> questionable performance.

C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
do you get your facts? Sesame Street?

C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
for performance. Let's wait and see.

-Andre

>
> Stephen
>
>
> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
>
>

Af

Andre

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

10/08/2003 4:38 PM

> In the mean time though, it's a Java.

I completely disagree. For that, you'll have to dig into some
documentation and do some reading.. there are many articles and papers
out there that compare Java and C# in terms of many features and qualities.

-Andre

>
> Stephen
>
>
> "Andre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> |
> |
> | Stephen wrote:
> |
> | > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
> | > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
> | > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
> came
> | > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
> |
> | That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
> | look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
> | about kangaroos in a book about worms"
> |
> | > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
> | > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
> | > questionable performance.
> |
> | C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
> | did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
> | do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
> |
> | C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
> | language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
> | some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
> | overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
> | for performance. Let's wait and see.
> |
> | -Andre
> |
> | >
> | > Stephen
> | >
> | >
> | > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> | > news:[email protected]...
> | > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> | > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

bB

[email protected] (Brad Sperry)

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 7:31 AM

"Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> > learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
> >
> If you know VB and have some idea how a processor works at machine level, it
> shouldn't take more than a few days to learn C.

Total nonsense, unless by few days you meant few years. C is CPU
independent, and VB has as much in common with C as a cheeseburger and
coke has to a hot roast dinner with potatoes and red wine.

lJ

[email protected] (Johan Lexington)

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

13/08/2003 3:26 AM

C# is a new improved version of C++. It is somewhere between C++ and
Java. Learning the .net platform is an entirely different matter.


Thomas Matthews <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The LoxFather wrote:
>
> > Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> > learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
> Would you please stop posting this question.
> You have reworded it, but alas, it is the same and has been dealt
> with before.
>
> Search the C++, C and VB newsgroups for messages that are
> destined for "rec.woodworking".
>
> If you are going to post again, to the same groups,
> please tell us how you are relating the topic to all of the
> newsgroups you posted to. I don't see the relationship between
> programming and woodworking from your post's content.
>
> {Programming a robotic woodworking machine would be an interesting
> concept though.}
>
> --
> Thomas Matthews
>
> C++ newsgroup welcome message:
> http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
> C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
> C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
> alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
> http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
> Other sites:
> http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

TM

Thomas Matthews

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

11/08/2003 2:50 PM

The LoxFather wrote:

> Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
Would you please stop posting this question.
You have reworded it, but alas, it is the same and has been dealt
with before.

Search the C++, C and VB newsgroups for messages that are
destined for "rec.woodworking".

If you are going to post again, to the same groups,
please tell us how you are relating the topic to all of the
newsgroups you posted to. I don't see the relationship between
programming and woodworking from your post's content.

{Programming a robotic woodworking machine would be an interesting
concept though.}

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

cs

chris

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

12/08/2003 12:47 AM

Not even to the lions? ;)

RM

Rolf Magnus

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 12:59 PM

The LoxFather wrote:

> Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
> learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

Ha! Now I also found one, so:

This is an obvious troll. Please ignore it.

DD

[email protected] (Dan Pop)

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

11/08/2003 1:08 PM

In <[email protected]> [email protected] (The LoxFather) writes:

>Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
>learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?

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"Stephen"

in reply to [email protected] (The LoxFather) on 09/08/2003 2:47 AM

09/08/2003 11:52 PM

That's what I heard *someday* Microsoft promises, C# will have performance.
And in carefully constructed circumstances, sometime in the future,
Microsoft says might even make it be faster than C++ in the same carefully
constructed situation. In the mean time though, it's a Java.

Stephen


"Andre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
|
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > Learn C/C++. Even Microsoft is waning on the .NET foray. Notice it got
| > dropped from the Windows 2003 Server name. The booklet that came with my
| > VC++ 2002 called .NET a revolution in computing yet the booklet that
came
| > with my VC++ 2003 doesn't hardly mention it and only gives C++ examples.
|
| That's because VC++ is about C++, not C#. Flip a few pages and have a
| look in the 'C# Section'. That's like saying "I can't find anything
| about kangaroos in a book about worms"
|
| > Besides, if need be, you can .NET C++ anyway. C# seem neat, but it is an
| > interpreted language, sort of an enhanced JavaScript, and will have
| > questionable performance.
|
| C# is *not* an interpreted language... it's a compiled language! What
| did you think the term "JIT compilation" stood for? Really, where from
| do you get your facts? Sesame Street?
|
| C# gives you very good performance - you should know how to use the
| language to do the things you want done. Secondly, the next version has
| some very neat features, like Generics - that should give a boost to
| overall performance. I've heard the next version of CLR has been tuned
| for performance. Let's wait and see.
|
| -Andre
|
| >
| > Stephen
| >
| >
| > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| > news:[email protected]...
| > | Coming from a VB background, which should .NET language should I
| > | learn....C++ or C Sharp. Is C++ going to be dead soon?
| >
| >
|


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