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"toller"

07/06/2005 3:48 AM

How to finish curly cherry?

I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.

I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
have finished it?
Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?


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in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

06/06/2005 9:53 PM



toller wrote:
> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>
> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
> have finished it?
> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?

Did you sand it? Perhaps the figure will stand out better if it
is scraped. Sanding tends to 'muddy' figured woods..

Old-style French polishing included filling the pores with pumice.
Maybe that would bring out the curls.

Good luck.


--

FF

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 11:23 AM

You really need to get some sheen on the surface so the light can do
it's thing. It'll never pop like Maple but should be pretty nice once
it's a little reflective/shiney. I do BLO or Tung, then Shellac, then
wax applied with 0000 steel wool and buf it up to a shine.

SP

"Steve Peterson"

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 5:12 PM

Very nice. When was the picture taken? Has it stayed that light in color?
Does it get much light?

TIA
Steve

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, PCProffitt
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>toller wrote:
>>> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
>>> That
>>> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
>>> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>>
>>> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How
>>> should I
>>> have finished it?
>>> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>>>
>>Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
>>and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes'
>>Arm-R-Seal which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were
>>wiped on with a rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and
>>debris. I was and am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks
>>exactly the same today except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.
>
> Ditto that. Here's a pic of one I made as a Christmas present for my
> brother
> and his wife a few years back. Same finish, same finishing schedule, same
> results. Before finishing, it was scraped, followed by *very* light
> sanding
> with 320-grit paper.
>
> http://www.milmac.com/ww-pics/furniture/CherryEndTable.JPG
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
> And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Pp

PCProffitt

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 12:20 PM

toller wrote:
> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>
> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
> have finished it?
> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>
Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes'
Arm-R-Seal which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were
wiped on with a rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and
debris. I was and am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks
exactly the same today except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.

Gg

"George"

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 6:55 AM


"toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
That
> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>
> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should
I
> have finished it?
> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>
>

You see it, but not for long, usually. It's a matter of contrast as much as
a matter of reflection, and darkening with BLO and subsequent oxidation will
mute it quite a bit.

Oldest kid's bed still shows some curl after four years, but that was
finished in something likely to draw childish comments - Minwax polyurethane
with UV inhibitors. What he wanted, and serves well. Newly married
daughter has requested the same.

Best bet is to use a clear finish and preserve the reflective difference,
even as the contrast fades to mellow red. Third coat or so of that shellac
should show it to you. It needs a smooth surface.

tt

"toller"

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 5:37 PM


"Steve Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Very nice. When was the picture taken? Has it stayed that light in
> color? Does it get much light?
>
> TIA
> Steve
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> PCProffitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>toller wrote:
>>>> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
>>>> That
>>>> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls
>>>> are
>>>> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>>>
>>>> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How
>>>> should I
>>>> have finished it?
>>>> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>>>>
>>>Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
>>>and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes'
>>>Arm-R-Seal which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were
>>>wiped on with a rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and
>>>debris. I was and am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks
>>>exactly the same today except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.
>>
>> Ditto that. Here's a pic of one I made as a Christmas present for my
>> brother
>> and his wife a few years back. Same finish, same finishing schedule, same
>> results. Before finishing, it was scraped, followed by *very* light
>> sanding
>> with 320-grit paper.
>>
>> http://www.milmac.com/ww-pics/furniture/CherryEndTable.JPG
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>>
Hey AlphaTurd!
The photo might not be accurate, but it shows dark ripples. Is that right?
That is what I have on my curly cherry (though rather bolder and less
regular), but curly maple has pearly ripples.
My wife likes it, but I am rather disappointed.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 6:25 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey AlphaTurd!

When are you going to outgrow the junior-high-school namecalling, Wade?

>The photo might not be accurate,

What makes you think that?

>but it shows dark ripples. Is that right?

It shows curly grain. The piece looks like the photo.

>That is what I have on my curly cherry (though rather bolder and less
>regular), but curly maple has pearly ripples.

Different species, different appearances. That's what curly cherry looks like.
If you were expecting it to look like curly maple, only red... well, your
expectations were not realistic.

>My wife likes it, but I am rather disappointed.

If you want the pearly ripples of curly maple, then you need to use curly
maple.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 1:34 PM

In article <[email protected]>, PCProffitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>toller wrote:
>> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
>> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
>> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>
>> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
>> have finished it?
>> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>>
>Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
>and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes'
>Arm-R-Seal which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were
>wiped on with a rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and
>debris. I was and am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks
>exactly the same today except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.

Ditto that. Here's a pic of one I made as a Christmas present for my brother
and his wife a few years back. Same finish, same finishing schedule, same
results. Before finishing, it was scraped, followed by *very* light sanding
with 320-grit paper.

http://www.milmac.com/ww-pics/furniture/CherryEndTable.JPG

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Pp

PCProffitt

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

08/06/2005 11:27 AM

toller wrote:
> "PCProffitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>toller wrote:
>>
>>>I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
>>>That must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls
>>>are simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>>
>>>I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How
>>>should I have finished it?
>>>Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>>
>>Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
>>and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes' Arm-R-Seal
>>which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were wiped on with a
>>rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and debris. I was and
>>am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks exactly the same today
>>except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.
>
>
> Does it have the same three dimensional effect as curly cherry?
>
I'm not sure whether you meant 'curly maple' there or what. In my
opinion (FWIW) the curly cherry shows the same depth and 3D look as the
birdseye maple used for the top of the table. Here are two pictures.
They look slightly darker than the actual table, but some of the
character comes through.

http://www.whisperedimages.com/images/HallTableTop1.jpg
http://www.whisperedimages.com/images/HallTable1.jpg

This was actually not scrapped, but just sanded progressively to around
220 or 320 (memory is fading). The finish made all the difference.
And, as mentioned in another post, I think the end result has everything
to do with the smoothness and gloss of the finish. This was using a
gloss version of the Arm-R-Seal Clear Top Coat finish.

tt

"toller"

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 12:26 PM


"PCProffitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> toller wrote:
>> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
>> That must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls
>> are simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>
>> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How
>> should I have finished it?
>> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
> Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
> and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes' Arm-R-Seal
> which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were wiped on with a
> rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and debris. I was and
> am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks exactly the same today
> except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.

Does it have the same three dimensional effect as curly cherry?

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

13/06/2005 9:10 PM

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 03:48:09 GMT, "toller" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
>must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
>simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>
>I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
>have finished it?
>Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>

I've had good luck with polymerized tung oil on curly cherry (my entry
cabinet top has some figure that looks like ribbons). On my entertainment
center, Moser's Danish Oil from WWS seems to do a decent job of brining out
the figure without washing out the details.

May be worth checking those finishes out.




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Prometheus

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 5:16 AM

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 03:48:09 GMT, "toller" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO. That
>must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
>simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>
>I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How should I
>have finished it?

Minwax Cherry stain, of course. :) *duck*

>Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "toller" on 07/06/2005 3:48 AM

07/06/2005 6:20 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Steve Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Very nice. When was the picture taken? Has it stayed that light in color?
>Does it get much light?

Thanks. The pic was taken in Dec '02. It's darkened up somewhat, but doesn't
get a lot of light in the room where my brother and SIL have it. The curly
figure is still clearly visible.
>
>TIA
>Steve
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, PCProffitt
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>toller wrote:
>>>> I just built a cabinet out of curly cherry, and finished it with BLO.
>>>> That
>>>> must have been a mistake, because the figure really died. The curls are
>>>> simply darker; they have none of the depth that curly maple has.
>>>>
>>>> I tried a scrap piece with shellac, and that isn't any better. How
>>>> should I
>>>> have finished it?
>>>> Or is this why you don't see much curly cherry?
>>>>
>>>Two years ago I built a hall table using curly cherry. The figure was,
>>>and still is, beautiful. I finished it using General Finishes'
>>>Arm-R-Seal which is an oil and urethane mix. About five coats were
>>>wiped on with a rag with light sanding between coats to remove dust and
>>>debris. I was and am very happy with it and so is SWMBO. It looks
>>>exactly the same today except maybe a shade darker as the cherry ages.
>>
>> Ditto that. Here's a pic of one I made as a Christmas present for my
>> brother
>> and his wife a few years back. Same finish, same finishing schedule, same
>> results. Before finishing, it was scraped, followed by *very* light
>> sanding
>> with 320-grit paper.
>>
>> http://www.milmac.com/ww-pics/furniture/CherryEndTable.JPG
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>>
>> Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
>> And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
>
>

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?


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