I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
Bob
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Gonna be sunny and around 70 here in Tucson today. ... and me with
> time to go work in the shop, yippeee.
>
>
Yeah, but a Christmas without snow is just not right. Some years we don't
have any on the ground by Christmas time, but it doesn't seem to be a
problem this year.
Now for the 4 months after Christmas, I could do without it.
Frank
D'oh!..... What, you can't blame your wife? Sorry, man, but thanks for
reminding me. I've got a brush soaking in alcohol. Tom
>Subject: -Major Screwup!
>From: [email protected] (Bob S.)
>Date: 12/17/2003 9:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>Bob
Someday, it'll all be over....
Phisherman wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) wrote:
>
> >I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
> >about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
> >called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
> >shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
> >Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
> >morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
> >the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
> >press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
> >didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
> >
> >Bob
>
> That's the problem with muratic acid--very caustic fumes. I stored my
> bottle of acid (with the lid secured) in an enclosed drywall box I
> made just for it. The drywall helps neutralize the fumes. Acid
> dissolves most metals.
Just a quick nit pick here guys, the word "caustic" refers to bases not
to acids, that is liquids that have a pH greater than 7.
Since metal oxides are anhydrous bases most if not all anti-corrosion
chemicals used are buffered bases. Check your anti-freeze label.
I know for a fact that the primary (reactor) coolant in nuclear power
plants have a pH up around 10 to 12, VERY caustic for this very reason.
ARM
> > On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) wrote:
> > >I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
> > >about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
> > >called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
> > >shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
> > >Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
> > >morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
> > >the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
> > >press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
> > >didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
> > >
> > >Bob
You need to check more than surfaces, sorry. The problem wasn't caused
by a spill but by fumes. They went EVERYWHERE, not just on flat
surfaces, you may have unseen damage on contact points and windings.
Don't want to make your day, but this could be much worse than you
think. %-( Use a fan and exchange the air in places that the fumes may
have collected and still may be doing damage.
Dave in Fairfax
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Kelly E Jones wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Just a quick nit pick here guys, the word "caustic" refers to bases not
> >to acids, that is liquids that have a pH greater than 7.
>
> Just a nit on your nit, but "caustic" refers to anything which has the
> capability of corroding or eating away, and thus could be an acid OR a
> base (or neither). As described here, HCl is most definitely caustic
> to metals.
>
> Kelly
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=caustic*1+0&dict=A
I stand corrected, I had only seen it used in reference to bases.
e.g. caustic soda
ARM
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<p>Kelly E Jones wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In article <[email protected]>,
<br>Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
<p>>Just a quick nit pick here guys, the word "caustic" refers to bases
not
<br>>to acids, that is liquids that have a pH greater than 7.
<p>Just a nit on your nit, but "caustic" refers to anything which has the
<br>capability of corroding or eating away, and thus could be an acid OR
a
<br>base (or neither). As described here, HCl is most definitely
caustic
<br>to metals.
<p>Kelly</blockquote>
<a href="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=caustic*1+0&dict=A">http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=caustic*1+0&dict=A</a>
<p>I stand corrected, I had only seen it used in reference to bases.
<br>e.g. caustic soda
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Oh yeah.... It's not white-out conditions like it was the other day but I
> think its building up pretty good right now.
>
> Here's the advisory,
>
> A LAKE EFFECT SNOW BAND IS EXPECTED TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE REGION
> TODAY. SNOW SHOWERS MAY BE LOCALLY HEAVY AT TIMES WITH OCCASIONAL WHITEOUT
> CONDITIONS WITHIN THE BAND. ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 7 INCHES ARE LIKELY BEFORE
> THE SNOW SHOWERS DECREASE IN INTENSITY LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON....
>
Gonna be sunny and around 70 here in Tucson today. ... and me with
time to go work in the shop, yippeee.
(beep beep)
On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) wrote:
>I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>Bob
That's the problem with muratic acid--very caustic fumes. I stored my
bottle of acid (with the lid secured) in an enclosed drywall box I
made just for it. The drywall helps neutralize the fumes. Acid
dissolves most metals.
Oh yeah.... It's not white-out conditions like it was the other day but I
think its building up pretty good right now.
Here's the advisory,
A LAKE EFFECT SNOW BAND IS EXPECTED TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE REGION
TODAY. SNOW SHOWERS MAY BE LOCALLY HEAVY AT TIMES WITH OCCASIONAL WHITEOUT
CONDITIONS WITHIN THE BAND. ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 7 INCHES ARE LIKELY BEFORE
THE SNOW SHOWERS DECREASE IN INTENSITY LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON....
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:03:05 GMT, "Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >This is a different Bob S. - not me.
> >
> > Bob S. in Syracuse
>
> Having fun in the snow, Bob?
>
> JP just outside Syracuse
On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
> Scott, are you trying to make a funny?
If you can't tell, Dave, then start a new thread and ask someone to explain
it to you.
>>>>What a mess just because I
>>>>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>>think of it as a "chemical peel". women get those all the time, and
>>>pay big bucks!
>> Dave,
>>
>> Put a lid on it.
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Gonna be sunny and around 70 here in Tucson today. ... and me with
> > time to go work in the shop, yippeee.
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, but a Christmas without snow is just not right. Some years we don't
> have any on the ground by Christmas time, but it doesn't seem to be a
> problem this year.
>
> Now for the 4 months after Christmas, I could do without it.
>
> Frank
>
no problem. all the snow you want in the desert.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1218ice.html
$150/ton delivered.
In article <[email protected]>,
Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just a quick nit pick here guys, the word "caustic" refers to bases not
>to acids, that is liquids that have a pH greater than 7.
Just a nit on your nit, but "caustic" refers to anything which has the
capability of corroding or eating away, and thus could be an acid OR a
base (or neither). As described here, HCl is most definitely caustic
to metals.
Kelly
In article <[email protected]>,
Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
>I stand corrected, I had only seen it used in reference to bases.
>e.g. caustic soda
Well, yeah, you don't want to get the caustic soda mixed up with the
regular soda. :)
Kelly
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:03:05 GMT, "Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote:
>This is a different Bob S. - not me.
>
> Bob S. in Syracuse
Having fun in the snow, Bob?
JP just outside Syracuse
>"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>> about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>> called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>> shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>> Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>> morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>> the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>> press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>> didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>>
>> Bob
>
Can't recognize a rhetorical question?
dave
Scott Cramer wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Scott, are you trying to make a funny?
>
>
> If you can't tell, Dave, then start a new thread and ask someone to explain
> it to you.
>
>
>>>>>What a mess just because I
>>>>>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>
>>>On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>>>think of it as a "chemical peel". women get those all the time, and
>>>>pay big bucks!
>
>
>>>Dave,
>>>
>>>Put a lid on it.
>
>
>
A few years ago, unbeknownst to me, the wife left an open container of
chlorox on a shelf under some of my tools. By the time I found it, I
had a similar result. Fortunately, it was just hand tools and not
free standing machinery, but that's when I first started experimenting
with the electrolysis method of rust removal!
TT
On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) wrote:
>I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>Bob
I read that NO container contain the fumes. I read that AFTER storing
a plastic jug in a cabinet and couple of weeks later opened the door
to RED!
On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) wrote:
>I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>Bob
This is a different Bob S. - not me.
Bob S. in Syracuse
"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
> about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
> called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
> shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
> Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
> morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
> the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
> press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
> didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
> Bob
Scott, are you trying to make a funny?
dave
Scott Cramer wrote:
>>Bob S. wrote:
>
>
>>>What a mess just because I
>>>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
>
> On 18 Dec 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>think of it as a "chemical peel". women get those all the time, and pay
>>big bucks!
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Put a lid on it.
think of it as a "chemical peel". women get those all the time, and pay
big bucks!
dave
Bob S. wrote:
> I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
> about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
> called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
> shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
> Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
> morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
> the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
> press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
> didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
>
> Bob
On 17 Dec 2003 20:27:41 -0800, [email protected] (Bob S.) brought
forth from the murky depths:
>I was using muratic acid to clean up some outside masonry work. I had
>about a pint of undiluted acid in an open container when my wife
>called me to supper. I set the container on the floor just inside the
>shop door, planning to come back in 30 minutes and finish the job.
>Other things came up and I didn't get back to the shop until the next
>morning. Every metal tool in the shop had a coat of rust on it from
>the acid fumes! I've spent the last 3 days cleaning my tablesaw, drill
>press, planer, hand tools, etc. etc. What a mess just because I
>didn't take the time to put a lid on it.
For your own safety, NEVER leave a caustic (acid or base) open.
You, children, or pets could accidentally get into it and cause
a whole world of hurt. It's good that the teensy bit of rust (a
mere 3 days worth?) got your attention. That's a much lower price
to pay than an eye, lung, or life.
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