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Robert Sobieck

23/09/2003 2:06 PM

Bandsaw purchase decission

I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out. I
looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
All advice appreciated.

Bob


This topic has 19 replies

BR

Bruce Rowen

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 10:02 AM

Ok you two, I'm telling teacher!

Speaking of bandsaws.... I noticed that in the latest Horrible Fright
catalog they now sell a steel 18" saw for $700 something. I'd be
interested
if anyone here can comment on it if they have actually seen one.
-Bruce


Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> That was before you cheated on me.
>
> dave
>
> Norm Underwood wrote:
>
> > Because I love you and it hurts me that you won't call me anymore. That
> > wonderful night we spent together in Seattle was pure magic.
> >


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L

(Layne)

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 6:34 AM

Hey Dave,

Literally, what the hell crawled up your ass and died? The guy was
just asking for some advice. Most of the people on this NG don't have
bottomless pocketbooks and are looking for the best buy for the
dollar. Lighten up.

Layne

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:23:03 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

>so what you are saying is you have the secret to making a silk purse
>from a cow's ear??? Please share your secret and we'll all go out and
>buy "lower priced" tools and them throw options at them until they
>become transformed into the best damned tools ever conceived. Maybe
>there's even hope for Crapsman tools, using that approach!
>
>dave
>
>Robert Sobieck wrote:
>
>> I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
>> is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
>> normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
>> would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out. I
>> looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
>> bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
>> lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
>> advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
>> All advice appreciated.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>

L

(Layne)

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 6:36 AM

Again Dave,

I ask, what the hell crawled up your ass and died?

Layne

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:43:47 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

>sort of like you Kev; you really won't know your IQ until you start
>using your brains.
>
>dave
>
>Kevin Slaten wrote:
>snip
>

L

(Layne)

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 6:39 AM

Hi Bob,

Instead of buying new you may want to look at a good used 16", 18" or
20" BS. Look at Rockwell/Delta, Powermatic, Doall, etc. Check your
local used machinery dealers, Ebay, classified ads, etc. If you look
hard enough and have cash on hand you can find a very good deal.

Layne

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:06:13 -0500, Robert Sobieck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
>is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
>normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
>would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out. I
>looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
>bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
>lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
>advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
>All advice appreciated.
>
>Bob
>
>

NU

"Norm Underwood"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 2:47 PM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> my reply to Kevin was due to a smart assed comment he made in another
> thread. Granted my post here looks out of place. Trust me,(HA!) he
> deserves my comment!
>
> dave

You trying to make another silk purse out of a cow's (sic) ear?

Pp

"PM6564"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 11:09 AM


<Layne> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Again Dave,
>
> I ask, what the hell crawled up your ass and died?
>
> Layne


With his head up there, I don't believe that there's room for much more.

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 3:01 PM

:) nope. just a bit of an explanation for my post to Kevin, which DOES
look out of place. Next time I'll confine my snide comments to the
offender's offensive post. I don't expect the same treatment from the
few miscreants who have made it back on my twit list, due to their
unflagging rude comments. I'm sure you cheer them on...

BTW, why do you keep changing your screen name, NORM?????

dave

Norm Underwood wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>my reply to Kevin was due to a smart assed comment he made in another
>>thread. Granted my post here looks out of place. Trust me,(HA!) he
>>deserves my comment!
>>
>>dave
>
>
> You trying to make another silk purse out of a cow's (sic) ear?
>
>

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 3:30 PM

That was before you cheated on me.

dave

Norm Underwood wrote:

> Because I love you and it hurts me that you won't call me anymore. That
> wonderful night we spent together in Seattle was pure magic.
>

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 3:03 PM

damn Scott, you slipped past my filters!!! Not to worry, I'll
investigate and fix that right now. Bye!

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 24 Sep 2003, Norm Underwood spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>my reply to Kevin was due to a smart assed comment he made in another
>>>thread. Granted my post here looks out of place. Trust me,(HA!) he
>>>deserves my comment!
>>>
>>>dave
>>
>>You trying to make another silk purse out of a cow's (sic) ear?
>
>
> Don't bother with him, Norm -- it's trying to make a human being out of a
> horse's ass.

KS

"Kevin Slaten"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 9:02 PM


"Robert Sobieck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
> is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
> normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
> would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out.
I
> looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
> bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
> lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
> advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
> All advice appreciated.
>
> Bob
>

You won't go wrong purchasing either of the machines you just listed.
You may or may not want to upgrade the guides but you really won't know
until you use it for a while.

SC

Scott Cramer

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 2:57 PM

On 24 Sep 2003, Norm Underwood spake unto rec.woodworking:

>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> my reply to Kevin was due to a smart assed comment he made in another
>> thread. Granted my post here looks out of place. Trust me,(HA!) he
>> deserves my comment!
>>
>> dave
>
> You trying to make another silk purse out of a cow's (sic) ear?

Don't bother with him, Norm -- it's trying to make a human being out of a
horse's ass.

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 2:40 PM

ah, Layne, did Groggy piss in your cornflakes? YOU lighten up. I was
NOT advocating that he spend a ton of money, so what's your beef??
Reading comprehension issues got you down?

Work on your sense of humor--then you might not feel compelled to tell
me to lighten up.

dave

Layne wrote:

> Hey Dave,
>
> Literally, what the hell crawled up your ass and died? The guy was
> just asking for some advice. Most of the people on this NG don't have
> bottomless pocketbooks and are looking for the best buy for the
> dollar. Lighten up.
>
> Layne
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:23:03 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>so what you are saying is you have the secret to making a silk purse
>
>>from a cow's ear??? Please share your secret and we'll all go out and
>
>>buy "lower priced" tools and them throw options at them until they
>>become transformed into the best damned tools ever conceived. Maybe
>>there's even hope for Crapsman tools, using that approach!
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Robert Sobieck wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
>>>is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
>>>normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
>>>would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out. I
>>>looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
>>>bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
>>>lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
>>>advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
>>>All advice appreciated.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
>

NU

"Norm Underwood"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 3:25 PM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> :) nope. just a bit of an explanation for my post to Kevin, which
DOES
> look out of place. Next time I'll confine my snide comments to the
> offender's offensive post. I don't expect the same treatment from the
> few miscreants who have made it back on my twit list, due to their
> unflagging rude comments. I'm sure you cheer them on...
>
> BTW, why do you keep changing your screen name, NORM?????


Because I love you and it hurts me that you won't call me anymore. That
wonderful night we spent together in Seattle was pure magic.

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

24/09/2003 2:42 PM

my reply to Kevin was due to a smart assed comment he made in another
thread. Granted my post here looks out of place. Trust me,(HA!) he
deserves my comment!

dave

Layne wrote:

> Again Dave,
>
> I ask, what the hell crawled up your ass and died?
>
> Layne
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:43:47 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>sort of like you Kev; you really won't know your IQ until you start
>>using your brains.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Kevin Slaten wrote:
>>snip
>>
>
>

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 9:43 PM

sort of like you Kev; you really won't know your IQ until you start
using your brains.

dave

Kevin Slaten wrote:
snip

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Andy Dingley

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 11:01 PM

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:06:13 -0500, Robert Sobieck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
>bit pricy.

If you have the money for an 18", then you won't go wrong with either
of those.

If you're cutting costs, then go with a 14". There are plenty of good
(IMHO, steel framed) 14" machines with good performance and enough
spare budget to fit a good set of guide wheels. They'll do better than
a cheap 18" and poor guides.

--
Smert' spamionam

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 7:23 PM

so what you are saying is you have the secret to making a silk purse
from a cow's ear??? Please share your secret and we'll all go out and
buy "lower priced" tools and them throw options at them until they
become transformed into the best damned tools ever conceived. Maybe
there's even hope for Crapsman tools, using that approach!

dave

Robert Sobieck wrote:

> I am interested in purchasing a bandsaw. I would like to make sure it
> is capable of resawing small logs and vanier, but most use would be
> normal ripping and freehand sawing. I was thinking a 16" or 18". I
> would also prefer a 110 VAC cirucuit, but 220 is not absolutely out. I
> looked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
> bit pricy. I am not opposed to spending good money, especially if the
> lower priced tools cause me to purchase options. Does anybody have
> advice on models to look at? I definately do not want a flimsy tool.
> All advice appreciated.
>
> Bob
>
>

MD

"Michael Daly"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 9:02 PM

On 23-Sep-2003, Robert Sobieck <[email protected]> wrote:

> ooked at Laguna Tool and Minimax. I like those tools but they are a
> bit pricy.

Don't look at the price alone. Go with the best you can afford that suits
your needs.

SWMBO got me a bandsaw a while back for my birthday. It's a cheap
Tiawanese model from a no-name importer. She got the advice for it from
a coworker who said they're just fine. He's clueless. At the time, I was in
no position to turn it down and suggest a real bandsaw (don't ask...)

I've had no end of trouble with it. I've spent a lot of time modifying this
thing to make it minimally useful. It takes forever to set up and change blades.
It uses odd size blades - this past weekend, I bought a set of Viking blades from
Lee Valley. Three hours to change and set up! I had to bend the top of the
wheel cover to make them fit (the option was to stay with the minimally cheaper but
greatly inferior crap from the importer). The wheels are marginally balanced, but
the friction in the bearings make it difficult to balance it.

You have to remove the table to adjust the lower guides. You have to remove the
fence to remove the table. You have to remove the lower wheel to adjust the
thing for coplanar alignment. If it takes three or four tries to get the adjustment
right, that means stripping the machine down three or four times. All these things
because of stupid placement of set screws.

I drool over the Delta's at the local shop every time I go in there.

Your time and effort are worth a good machine. Spend a few hundred more now
and get a less expensive car next time around ($thousands)..

Mike
PS - the Viking (Timberwolf) blades are awesome. No comparison to the original
blades.

KS

"Kevin Slaten"

in reply to Robert Sobieck on 23/09/2003 2:06 PM

23/09/2003 9:01 PM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> so what you are saying is you have the secret to making a silk purse
> from a cow's ear??? Please share your secret and we'll all go out and
> buy "lower priced" tools and them throw options at them until they
> become transformed into the best damned tools ever conceived. Maybe
> there's even hope for Crapsman tools, using that approach!
>
> dave

Your lack of woodworking skill is surpassed only by your inability to
grasp the English language and simple metaphors.


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