On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 7:10:17 AM UTC+10, Electric Comet wrote:
> my guess is acacia
>=20
> https://youtu.be/-ykWChuaOo4
>=20
> nicely done video in any case
Hi Folks,
Glad you like my video. The wood is Acacia Dealta (See.https://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata) We call it Silver Wattle. It grows very quickly =
and has a relatively short lifespan. Most of the wood I use on courses has =
grown since I purchased the property in 1986. If you go to my website's pho=
to gallery you'll see lots more silver wattle. I even lined my entire house=
out of it. (See http://wisdomthroughwood.com/main/page_topnav_photo_galle=
ry.html) and follow the link )
Cheers
Alex
On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:32:47 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 08/20/2015 10:27 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:07:17 -0500
wrote:
> >
> >> I still think it's odd that those he's cutting are apparently pretty
> >> tall (or the video is shot for the effect :) ) and have such a long
> >> log before any signs of branching and the very smooth bark. I
> >> couldn't find a sample picture that looked anything whatever like his
> >> altho I did _finally_ find one labelled as "Tasmanian" shot from a
> >> distance that at least did a have a bit of a trunk and didn't look
> >> quite so rough bark as the bulk did. Perhaps there's a difference in
> >> Australia vis a vis Tasmanian as I think almost if not all the rest
> >> were Australian.
> >
> > couple of things
> > look in previous post about scribner's book
> > in there they talk about choosing a tree to fell and how the location
> > influences the tree growth
> >
> > on the edge of the forest
> > in the middle of the forest and the like
> >
> > that tree was in the middle so it was reaching for sunlight
> > there was no benefit for growing branches out the sides
> ...
>=20
> Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis a=
=20
> vis all the other sample shots of the species...
>=20
> --
At the beginning of the video, that tree stump has rough-looking bark. Th=
e subsequent tall growing tree, at the beginning of the video, also has a r=
ough looking bark. As the video pans upward, the bark looks smooth. Hal=
f way up the tree, it appears the bark is peeling off, so it looks more smo=
oth. It seems several (many?0 of the Australian/Tamanian trees have barks=
that change, shed, to some extent, with the change of the seasons, also.
Also, the sapling, he plants, appears to have (somewhat thick) waxy leaves,=
smooth edges, elongated(?).
My guess is that the tree he uses is Blackwood/Acacia melanoxylon. https:/=
/www.google.com/search?rlz=3D1C1PQHA_enUS574US586&es_sm=3D122&biw=3D1280&bi=
h=3D841&tbm=3Disch&sa=3D1&q=3DAcacia+melanoxylon+lumber&oq=3DAcacia+melanox=
ylon+lumber&gs_l=3Dimg.3...103975.105779.0.106917.7.7.0.0.0.0.760.760.6-1.1=
.0....0...1.1.64.img..7.0.0.N6v_XE3mBuU
Re: http://www.tastimber.tas.gov.au/SpeciesDetailsGeneral.aspx?SpeciesID=3D=
3
The timber
This is the perfect timber for fine furniture, joinery or a feature floor.
Boasting a variety of colours ranging from light golden-brown to deep brown=
(sometimes with a reddish tint) and occasionally showing black streaks, th=
e timber radiates a subtle beauty that makes it irresistible to Tasmanian d=
esigners. Additional character results from the grain of the wood, which ca=
n be straight or wavy with a natural lustre.
Blackwood is easily worked, very stable and long lasting, and blackwood art=
efacts are always statements of style and quality.
In addition to the supply of solid sections, the availability of high quali=
ty veneers has increased the timber's versatility for use in joinery, cabin=
et making, and feature panelling. Small cross sections of solid timber are =
also laminated, particularly for bench tops.
*******************************************************************
I didn't find any references to/for the use of the bark, but my search was =
limited.
Sonny
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 12:59:52 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> Anyway, I'll defer to the man onsite (not to say he also _might_ be in
> error or answering a different question in the comments, but it would
> seem he'd be the one to know... :) ).
>
> --
Why get the word second hand? I emailed Alex and asked him directly. Hopefully he'll reply. I, also, invited him to comment directly on this thread, if he's obligized to sign on.
Sonny
On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 5:47:06 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 7:10:17 AM UTC+10, Electric Comet wrote:
> > my guess is acacia
> >=20
> > https://youtu.be/-ykWChuaOo4
> >=20
> > nicely done video in any case
>=20
> Hi Folks,
> Glad you like my video. The wood is Acacia Dealta (See.https://en.wikiped=
ia.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata) We call it Silver Wattle. It grows very quickl=
y and has a relatively short lifespan. Most of the wood I use on courses ha=
s grown since I purchased the property in 1986. If you go to my website's p=
hoto gallery you'll see lots more silver wattle. I even lined my entire hou=
se out of it. (See http://wisdomthroughwood.com/main/page_topnav_photo_gal=
lery.html) and follow the link )
>=20
> Cheers
> Alex
Thanks Alex. Seems Casper wins, since he delved deeper into the video's c=
omments and links, to find the same reference link that you replied to, the=
n.
Always like to see other folks work. Your gallery is great.... gave me so=
me ideas (*the top toy, for one) for projects for the kids among my family.
Sonny
On 08/19/2015 9:06 AM, Casper wrote:
>> my guess is acacia
>> https://youtu.be/-ykWChuaOo4
>> nicely done video in any case
>> Electric Comet
>
> Nice video and very nice wood work.
> In the comments it says...
> Alex Jerrim - Here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata
Does it say it in the comments? I didn't see that...saw somebody asked
but no answer.
I wasn't aware the Australian blackwood and some of the other species
there are actually members of acacia family I discovered...but the
pictures I can see don't show bark anything like what his specimen is???
I'm still not at all sure what it is...
--
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:06:15 -0400
Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nice video and very nice wood work.
> In the comments it says...
> Alex Jerrim - Here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata
ok
did not see the comments
a little bit of paradise he has there
On 08/20/2015 12:08 PM, Casper wrote:
>>> In the comments it says...
>>> Alex Jerrim - Here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata
>
>> Does it say it in the comments? I didn't see that...saw somebody asked
>> but no answer.
>> dpb
>
> You have to read much further down in the comments to read were Alex
> actually commented back on the wood with the link above.
OK, I see that it's on another page further down or more...I presumed if
hadn't answered on that first page probably hadn't and wasn't interested
enough to keep searching...
I still think it's odd that those he's cutting are apparently pretty
tall (or the video is shot for the effect :) ) and have such a long log
before any signs of branching and the very smooth bark. I couldn't find
a sample picture that looked anything whatever like his altho I did
_finally_ find one labelled as "Tasmanian" shot from a distance that at
least did a have a bit of a trunk and didn't look quite so rough bark as
the bulk did. Perhaps there's a difference in Australia vis a vis
Tasmanian as I think almost if not all the rest were Australian.
But, I presume he does know what it is...
--
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:07:17 -0500
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> I still think it's odd that those he's cutting are apparently pretty
> tall (or the video is shot for the effect :) ) and have such a long
> log before any signs of branching and the very smooth bark. I
> couldn't find a sample picture that looked anything whatever like his
> altho I did _finally_ find one labelled as "Tasmanian" shot from a
> distance that at least did a have a bit of a trunk and didn't look
> quite so rough bark as the bulk did. Perhaps there's a difference in
> Australia vis a vis Tasmanian as I think almost if not all the rest
> were Australian.
couple of things
look in previous post about scribner's book
in there they talk about choosing a tree to fell and how the location
influences the tree growth
on the edge of the forest
in the middle of the forest and the like
that tree was in the middle so it was reaching for sunlight
there was no benefit for growing branches out the sides
> But, I presume he does know what it is...
i get the feeling he is pretty well in touch with the trees and knows
On 08/20/2015 10:27 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:07:17 -0500
> dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I still think it's odd that those he's cutting are apparently pretty
>> tall (or the video is shot for the effect :) ) and have such a long
>> log before any signs of branching and the very smooth bark. I
>> couldn't find a sample picture that looked anything whatever like his
>> altho I did _finally_ find one labelled as "Tasmanian" shot from a
>> distance that at least did a have a bit of a trunk and didn't look
>> quite so rough bark as the bulk did. Perhaps there's a difference in
>> Australia vis a vis Tasmanian as I think almost if not all the rest
>> were Australian.
>
> couple of things
> look in previous post about scribner's book
> in there they talk about choosing a tree to fell and how the location
> influences the tree growth
>
> on the edge of the forest
> in the middle of the forest and the like
>
> that tree was in the middle so it was reaching for sunlight
> there was no benefit for growing branches out the sides
...
Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis a
vis all the other sample shots of the species...
--
On 08/20/2015 11:32 PM, dpb wrote:
...
> Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis a
> vis all the other sample shots of the species...
Again, I'm not saying it's not but from all the looking at comparative
shots, would surely have a stretch deciding that's what those he's
cutting are...it's why I didn't think was and guessed at something far
different initially (not to mention that I hadn't looked and didn't
realize several of the species that at least had heard of by common
names actually were in acacia family.)
So again, sure, he's almost certainly correct and I've no doubt he's
pretty doggone knowledgeable but like so often in the bird books or the
like the subject doesn't necessarily match the illustration all that
well... :)
--
On 08/21/2015 9:33 AM, Sonny wrote:
...
> At the beginning of the video, that tree stump has rough-looking
> bark. ...
I'm looking at the closeup at about the 2:30 mark; pretty smooth, fine
striations; not much at all like what I could find as referenced
dealbata pictures although granted virtually none I found were good
shots of other than the foliage/blooms/etc.
> My guess is that the tree he uses is Blackwood/Acacia melanoxylon. ...
That was my initial thought looking at the end of the log but I don't
know anything about them other than a sample the wife brought back in a
collection she picked up of various down under woods from her trip down
there...but it's just a 1" square of a dozen or so and no other info.
Again, however, the searches I did didn't lead me to think from the
pictures I found they looked all that similar to his specimen...at that
point I hadn't actually even realized it (blackwood and several others
had heard of by common name even though know knothing about them
firsthand) were acacias...
Anyway, I'll defer to the man onsite (not to say he also _might_ be in
error or answering a different question in the comments, but it would
seem he'd be the one to know... :) ).
--
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:32:51 -0500
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis
> a vis all the other sample shots of the species...
you are entering into an area of study that is interesting
i think the technical word used in biology is morphology
in common terms it is the study of the different forms of a given species
the environment plays a big part in what form a species can take
like middle of the forest versus the forest edge
northern edge versus southern edge
windy versus calm
and so on and so on
i would expect rougher bark on trees that receive more sunlight on the
trunk then a tree that gets very little sunlight
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> peeling off, so it looks more smooth. It seems several (many?0 of
> the Australian/Tamanian trees have barks that change, shed, to some
> extent, with the change of the seasons, also.
i think manzanita trees also regenerate the bark over time
> Also, the sapling, he plants, appears to have (somewhat thick) waxy
> leaves, smooth edges, elongated(?).
thought that was a gum tree
i think like what we call a eucalyptus in usa
> Blackwood is easily worked, very stable and long lasting, and
i thought that blackwood was very hard
does that fit into the characterisitic of being easily worked
> I didn't find any references to/for the use of the bark, but my
> search was limited.
i imagine those big sheets he stored would make great shingles
not certain but just a guess
would work great for a lean-to
or maybe a natural insulation
On 08/21/2015 1:23 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:32:51 -0500
> dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis
>> a vis all the other sample shots of the species...
>
> you are entering into an area of study that is interesting
> i think the technical word used in biology is morphology
>
> in common terms it is the study of the different forms of a given species
>
> the environment plays a big part in what form a species can take
> like middle of the forest versus the forest edge
> northern edge versus southern edge
> windy versus calm
> and so on and so on
>
> i would expect rougher bark on trees that receive more sunlight on the
> trunk then a tree that gets very little sunlight
All true to greater/lesser degree, but oaks look like oaks, sycamores
like sycamores and the differences within aren't enough to confuse one
with another no matter where they happen to live...
I'm seeing stuff that ain't close and unless there's a seasonal change
that does in fact slough off or the like, I'm thinking these are likely
not the same as what I've found photos of...then again, I have no direct
knowledge of anything down under but I have a pretty good knowledge and
ability to identify NA species used for lumber having spent a fair
amount of time over 50 yr or so observing same and reading, studying...
--
On 08/21/2015 1:28 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 12:59:52 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I'll defer to the man onsite (not to say he also _might_ be in
>> error or answering a different question in the comments, but it would
>> seem he'd be the one to know... :) ).
>>
> Why get the word second hand? I emailed Alex and asked him directly.
> Hopefully he'll reply. I, also, invited him to comment directly on this
> thread, if he's obligized to sign on.
On, _NOW_ you've done it... :) Why in the world wood (so to speak?) we
want facts on usenet????
--
Electric Comet wrote:
>
> i would expect rougher bark on trees that receive more sunlight on the
> trunk then a tree that gets very little sunlight
Well then, you might be challenged to explain the difference between a Beech
tree and a Maple tree growing side by side in the same woods.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Alex. Seems Casper wins, since he delved deeper into the
> video's comments and links, to find the same reference link that you
> replied to, then.
actually no one made a guess
which seems perfectly appropriate for this group
i guessed acacia
so got the right genera
> Always like to see other folks work. Your gallery is great.... gave
> me some ideas (*the top toy, for one) for projects for the kids among
> my family.
the top is a nice twist on the top project and nice design
i have a piece of blackwood acacia that would work for that idea
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 03:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
[email protected] wrote:
> http://wisdomthroughwood.com/main/page_topnav_photo_gallery.html) and
> follow the link )
a lot of happy people on your site
nice work
that ladder back rocker stands out for me
well it all does but that one nears the top of the list
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:32:51 -0500
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure, that can explain the trunk; doesn't explain the smooth bark vis
> a vis all the other sample shots of the species...
after reading the post from the fellow in the video i realized that the
smooth tree versus the rough tree could be also explained by pruning
and/or cultivation
which ever term you prefer
trimming off side branches as the tree grows would give a nice trunk
it is what i would do were i to grow trees to make things from wood
have a look under the media tab for lots of pictures of the species at
http://eol.org
>> In the comments it says...
>> Alex Jerrim - Here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_dealbata
>Does it say it in the comments? I didn't see that...saw somebody asked
>but no answer.
>dpb
You have to read much further down in the comments to read were Alex
actually commented back on the wood with the link above.