Rr

"R.H."

27/01/2005 9:39 AM

What is it? XLVI

Added a few more photos today:

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing the
entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic #249.


I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
#237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett nipper.
It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of a
typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a typewriter
tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert on
the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one way
or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me in
the right direction.


Rob


This topic has 44 replies

ww

willshak

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 7:05 AM

On 1/27/2005 4:39 AM US(ET), R.H. took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

>Added a few more photos today:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing the
>entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic #249.
>
>
>I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
>#237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett nipper.
>It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of a
>typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>
>Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a typewriter
>tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
>was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert on
>the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one way
>or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
>been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me in
>the right direction.
>
>
>Rob
>

253 - zipper unsnag tool.

--
Bill

p

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 1:21 PM

#259 is a handcuff key, um, keychain.

The end in the second photo is to open handcuffs (like you would
expect) and the other end is to lock them in place, i.e., so they won't
tighten up. The key ring part is for putting keys unrelated to
handcuffs on.

-Phil Crow

BB

Barbara Bailey

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 3:59 PM

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:46:41 -0800, "SteveB" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>New what is it question.
>
>I bought a meat fork at a yard sale. It also came with a knife. The fork
>has two tines. Both items have nice bone or antler handles. They look like
>they are probably fifty years old.
>
>On the meat fork, there is a folding thingus just up from the handle. It
>moves ninety degrees. It is wishboned shape just like the meat fork. It
>folds up or down. When folded down, it lays along the handle. When folded
>up, it is at a ninety to the handle. When it is folded up, you can sit the
>fork down, and the two points of the wishbone and the end of the horn handle
>keep the two tines off the surface you sit it on. This is the only use I
>can think of for the moveable piece.
>
>Is that what it is used for, or does the piece have another/other uses?
>
>Steve
>

That's what it's for.

Barb

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:29 PM

In article
<[email protected]>, B.B.
<[email protected]> wrote:

> 257. A handle.

It's a bottle opener, for those of us who remember caps that weren't
twist-off.

djb

--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows

Tt

Tom

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 9:06 AM

SteveB wrote:
>
> New what is it question.
>
> I bought a meat fork at a yard sale. It also came with a knife. The fork
> has two tines. Both items have nice bone or antler handles. They look like
> they are probably fifty years old.
>
> On the meat fork, there is a folding thingus just up from the handle. It
> moves ninety degrees. It is wishboned shape just like the meat fork. It
> folds up or down. When folded down, it lays along the handle. When folded
> up, it is at a ninety to the handle. When it is folded up, you can sit the
> fork down, and the two points of the wishbone and the end of the horn handle
> keep the two tines off the surface you sit it on. This is the only use I
> can think of for the moveable piece.
>
> Is that what it is used for, or does the piece have another/other uses?
>
> Steve

Known as a guard rest, offers protection from the knife and as you
surmise, a rest for the fork.

Tom

JW

Jonathan Wilson

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 8:18 PM

> My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
> big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
> bottom.)
As a fan of LEGO, I can say that no helmet exists that looks like that :)

m

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 1:36 PM

>http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_chr0.htm

Very well put but ever since I read it everything I look at is red!!

Maryann

"Anything can be anywhere!"

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 1:01 PM


"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:270120052329529386%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article
> <[email protected]>, B.B.
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 257. A handle.
>
> It's a bottle opener, for those of us who remember caps that weren't
> twist-off.

Correct.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 2:37 PM

259 Hand Cuff Key


WB

"Wood Butcher"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 1:27 PM

Oops. Forgot to type #254.

"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Multi turn knob for an electronic instrument. Digits show
thru the 3 windows on top to indicate how many turns
have been dialed. The sliding lever on the bottom locks
it from turning.

Art


"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Added a few more photos today:

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing the
entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic #249.


I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
#237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett nipper.
It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of a
typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssP
ageName=WDVW


Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a typewriter
tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert on
the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one way
or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me in
the right direction.


Rob



Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:52 PM


"Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:23:21 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >256: Sewing machine part?
>
> My husband *thinks* that it may be part of a specialized adjustable
> plane. More than that he's not venturing.
>
> Barb

Nope, it isn't any type of plane.

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:17 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 259 Hand Cuff Key

Correct.

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:51 PM


"Jon Haugsand" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> * Jonathan Wilson
> > > My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
> > > big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
> > > bottom.)
> > As a fan of LEGO, I can say that no helmet exists that looks like that
:)
>
> But maybe another plastic toy brand?
>
> However, it really looks like metal. The inner grey part looks like
> something that can be rotated, i.e. some adjustment tool.

This one isn't a toy nor an adjustment tool, and you're right, it is made of
metal.

BD

"B.B."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 10:09 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Added a few more photos today:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/

254. This guy's thumbtip: http://tinyurl.com/4rv7w
255. Double-barrel hammer.
256. Floss dispenser.
257. A handle.
258. Knife chipper.
259. Item from GI Joe KGB action play set.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:23 PM


"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Added a few more photos today:
> >
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> 254: Itty bitty shielded lantern
> 255: Stamping tool -- you held this over the die and hit it with a hammer.
> 256: Sewing machine part?

These aren't correct.

> 257: Bottle opener

Yes

> 258: Junk, given that it's from the "Creative Sales company" It would
> appear that they claim it's a knife and scissor sharpener.

Correct, that's what they claim.

> 259: Janitor's tool; opens paper towel and toilet paper dispensers

Nope

Sd

"SteveB"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 12:14 PM

I am amazed once again at the things that I can learn here. Thanks for the
info. My MIL and I were just discussing it. She is 86, and didn't know
what it was for either. I figured something that old, that she would surely
know.

I love usenet.

Steve

"Tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SteveB wrote:
>>
>> New what is it question.
>>
>> I bought a meat fork at a yard sale. It also came with a knife. The
>> fork
>> has two tines. Both items have nice bone or antler handles. They look
>> like
>> they are probably fifty years old.
>>
>> On the meat fork, there is a folding thingus just up from the handle. It
>> moves ninety degrees. It is wishboned shape just like the meat fork. It
>> folds up or down. When folded down, it lays along the handle. When
>> folded
>> up, it is at a ninety to the handle. When it is folded up, you can sit
>> the
>> fork down, and the two points of the wishbone and the end of the horn
>> handle
>> keep the two tines off the surface you sit it on. This is the only use I
>> can think of for the moveable piece.
>>
>> Is that what it is used for, or does the piece have another/other uses?
>>
>> Steve
>
> Known as a guard rest, offers protection from the knife and as you
> surmise, a rest for the fork.
>
> Tom

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:57 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> #259 is a handcuff key, um, keychain.
>
> The end in the second photo is to open handcuffs (like you would
> expect) and the other end is to lock them in place, i.e., so they won't
> tighten up. The key ring part is for putting keys unrelated to
> handcuffs on.
>
> -Phil Crow

Correct.

MN

Matthew Newell

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 1:43 PM

In article <[email protected]>, rhvp67
@cinci.rr.com says...
> Added a few more photos today:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing the
> entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic #249.
>
>
> I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
> #237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett nipper.
> It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of a
> typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>
> Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a typewriter
> tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
> was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert on
> the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one way
> or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
> been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me in
> the right direction.
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>

Rob - what was the lovely brass contraption from a month or
so ago.

254 - a very bicycle lamp

255,256 no idea

257 pan handle - for the camping billycan that come in a
nest and you have the handle (that fits all) inside the
smallest - although on second thoughts it is the wrong
shape


258 is a knife sharpener - the blade sits tween the +ve and
-ve bits shown and it is pulled allong blade. the black
metal guard is to stop the blade hitting fingers if you
slip or get to the end of the knife and dont stop.

its a seriously bad design: you're meant to put knife on
table and draw thing along blade (the black guard then hits
the table and stops injuryif you slip) - but people tend
to hold the knife in one hand and the sharpener in the
other - this lead to the knife and the knuckles coming
together ( once you have slipped the guard just diverts the
blade onto another bit of the finger). use a wall mounted
sharpener - or better still a steel.

259 a specialist key? (in the shape of a side arm batton)
tell me it is not a police locker key!
or is a peashooter?


thanks and regards

matthew

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:24 PM


"TaskMule" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Added a few more photos today:
> >
> > http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> 257 is a paint can opener

It would certainly work as a paint can opener, but that wasn't its primary
purpose.
>

WB

"Wood Butcher"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 1:17 PM

Multi turn knob for an electronic instrument. Digits show
thru the 3 windows on top to indicate how many turns
have been dialed. The sliding lever on the bottom locks
it from turning.

Art


"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Added a few more photos today:

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing the
entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic #249.


I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
#237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett nipper.
It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of a
typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssP
ageName=WDVW


Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a typewriter
tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert on
the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one way
or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me in
the right direction.


Rob


Ee

"Emmo"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 7:57 PM


> When it is folded up, you can sit the
> fork down, and the two points of the wishbone and the end of the horn
> handle keep the two tines off the surface you sit it on. This is the only
> use I can think of for the moveable piece.
>
This is what it is for, to keep the fork off of the tablecloth...

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 10:38 AM

On Thursday 27 Jan 2005 9:39 am, R.H. scribbled:

> http://puzzlephotos.
Hey I finally get one:

#257, bottle cap opener. My parents used to have one. At least, that's
what we used it for.

--
Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:58 PM


<antonomasia-at-canada-dot-com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:39:01 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Added a few more photos today:
> >
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
>
> 254. 1 5/8" tall
>
> Drag control for a fishing reel.
>

254 isn't used with a fishing reel.

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:15 PM


"Matthew Newell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, rhvp67
> @cinci.rr.com says...
> > Added a few more photos today:
> >
> > http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing
the
> > entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic
#249.
> >
> >
> > I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
> > #237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett
nipper.
> > It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front
of a
> > typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3869740407&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> >
> >
> > Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a
typewriter
> > tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since
it
> > was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter
expert on
> > the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one
way
> > or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I
had
> > been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me
in
> > the right direction.
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
>
> Rob - what was the lovely brass contraption from a month or
> so ago.

It's an instrument for taking water samples from varying depths in a body of
water. A little more info here:

http://pzphotosan44.blogspot.com/


>
> 254 - a very bicycle lamp

Nope

>
> 255,256 no idea
>
> 257 pan handle - for the camping billycan that come in a
> nest and you have the handle (that fits all) inside the
> smallest - although on second thoughts it is the wrong
> shape

Not a pan handle

>
> 258 is a knife sharpener - the blade sits tween the +ve and
> -ve bits shown and it is pulled allong blade. the black
> metal guard is to stop the blade hitting fingers if you
> slip or get to the end of the knife and dont stop.
>
> its a seriously bad design: you're meant to put knife on
> table and draw thing along blade (the black guard then hits
> the table and stops injuryif you slip) - but people tend
> to hold the knife in one hand and the sharpener in the
> other - this lead to the knife and the knuckles coming
> together ( once you have slipped the guard just diverts the
> blade onto another bit of the finger). use a wall mounted
> sharpener - or better still a steel.

Correct, it's a cheap sharpener.

>
> 259 a specialist key? (in the shape of a side arm batton)
> tell me it is not a police locker key!
> or is a peashooter?

It's a key, but not for a locker.

>
>
> thanks and regards
>
> matthew

a

antonomasia-at-canada-dot-com

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 12:10 PM

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:39:01 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Added a few more photos today:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>

254. 1 5/8" tall

Drag control for a fishing reel.

--
+ TomH + antonomasia-at-canada-dot-com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Also: http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_chr0.htm

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

30/01/2005 2:40 AM

> Look at the back. There should be a 3/8" hole in the center.
>
> Loosen the three black screws (only one shows in the photo, to
> the right of the lock tab). The counter will lift off. Then you should
> be able to lift the knob free of the back. You will find room in the
> back of the knob to accommodate the 3/8" diameter mounting bushing of a
> potentiometer, a flat washer, and a thin nut -- the kind normally used
> for mounting pots and rotary switches on old electronic equipment.
>
> Now -- in the back of the knob should be a 1/4" hole, and there
> should be two setscrews at the back of the knob (probably hidden by the
> skirt) which can be tightened by a long skinny Allen wrench to lock the
> knob onto the 1/4" shaft of the potentiometer.


I was wondering what those holes were for, they can be seen in picture
number 4 here:

http://counterpot.blogspot.com/

where I have a few photos of it disassembled. Thanks for the post, I
thought it was just a hand counter for use around the office but now I see
how it can be attached to a shaft.


>
> When the knob is mounted on the shaft, turn it fully CCW. Reach
> into the back of the counter mechanism, and turn the gear there until
> the counter reaches zero, slide it back onto the base with the screws
> passing into the slots in the skirt, and tighten the screws. At this
> point, your knob should read "000" with the pot fully CCW, and some
> value when the pot (it should be a 10-turn one) fully CW. Ideally, it
> should read "999", but based on your counting the turns vs digits, it
> probably won't. (Unless you were determining a full turn by a visible
> hole for a setscrew, and missed the fact that there are two at about 90
> degrees separation in the knob.
>
> I *have* used this kind of knob, though more recently I have
> mostly used the more shallow versions which I described in my last
> quoted paragraph above. IIRC, the photographed style, I last saw in
> *new* use around 1960, used to build things like temperature controllers
> for test ovens for semiconductors which had to meet tight specs.
>
> If you have no future need for it once the contest is over, I
> might be interested in acquiring it from you. I have not seen that
> style for a long time.


On the bottom of the silver dial is written "Borg Equipment Division,
Janesville Wis. USA, The George W. Borg Corporation".

If you would like to have it I'd be happy to send it to you, email me and
we'll work out the details.


Rob

dD

[email protected] (DoN. Nichols)

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:44 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> jim rozen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In article <[email protected]>, R.H. says...
>> >>
>> >>Added a few more photos today:
>> >>
>> >>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>> >
>> >254 is a turns-counting helipot dial, made by maybe clarostat
>> >or bournes.
>>
>> Agreed. For a ten-turn pot, with the first digit counting
>> actual complete turns, and the other two showing tenths and hundredths of
>> a turn.
>
>This one might be a little different than the one you have in mind, one
>complete turn (by hand) of the silver dial counts from 0 to 36, up to 999.

Hmm ... that would give 27.75 turns to go full scale. I have
seen a very few pots which were twenty turn instead of ten turn -- but
even that would not reach full scale. Perhaps this one was made to go
on something else -- a mechanical tuning device in some custom
equipment. Normally, they are set up to go to full scale at the end of
ten turns. Most used in later years are much shallower with a counter
in a window which increments once per full turn, and has a 0-100 dial in
the center.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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[email protected] (DoN. Nichols)

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 8:09 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:

[ ... ]

>> >> Agreed. For a ten-turn pot, with the first digit counting
>> >> actual complete turns, and the other two showing tenths and hundredths
>of
>> >> a turn.
>> >
>> >This one might be a little different than the one you have in mind, one
>> >complete turn (by hand) of the silver dial counts from 0 to 36, up to
>999.
>>
>> Hmm ... that would give 27.75 turns to go full scale. I have
>> seen a very few pots which were twenty turn instead of ten turn -- but
>> even that would not reach full scale. Perhaps this one was made to go
>> on something else -- a mechanical tuning device in some custom
>> equipment. Normally, they are set up to go to full scale at the end of
>> ten turns. Most used in later years are much shallower with a counter
>> in a window which increments once per full turn, and has a 0-100 dial in
>> the center.
>
>I don't think it made to go on a piece of equipment, probably just a stand
>alone hand turned counter.

Look at the back. There should be a 3/8" hole in the center.

Loosen the three black screws (only one shows in the photo, to
the right of the lock tab). The counter will lift off. Then you should
be able to lift the knob free of the back. You will find room in the
back of the knob to accommodate the 3/8" diameter mounting bushing of a
potentiometer, a flat washer, and a thin nut -- the kind normally used
for mounting pots and rotary switches on old electronic equipment.

Now -- in the back of the knob should be a 1/4" hole, and there
should be two setscrews at the back of the knob (probably hidden by the
skirt) which can be tightened by a long skinny Allen wrench to lock the
knob onto the 1/4" shaft of the potentiometer.

When the knob is mounted on the shaft, turn it fully CCW. Reach
into the back of the counter mechanism, and turn the gear there until
the counter reaches zero, slide it back onto the base with the screws
passing into the slots in the skirt, and tighten the screws. At this
point, your knob should read "000" with the pot fully CCW, and some
value when the pot (it should be a 10-turn one) fully CW. Ideally, it
should read "999", but based on your counting the turns vs digits, it
probably won't. (Unless you were determining a full turn by a visible
hole for a setscrew, and missed the fact that there are two at about 90
degrees separation in the knob.

I *have* used this kind of knob, though more recently I have
mostly used the more shallow versions which I described in my last
quoted paragraph above. IIRC, the photographed style, I last saw in
*new* use around 1960, used to build things like temperature controllers
for test ovens for semiconductors which had to meet tight specs.

If you have no future need for it once the contest is over, I
might be interested in acquiring it from you. I have not seen that
style for a long time.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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[email protected] (DoN. Nichols)

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

30/01/2005 12:06 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Look at the back. There should be a 3/8" hole in the center.
>>
>> Loosen the three black screws (only one shows in the photo, to
>> the right of the lock tab). The counter will lift off. Then you should
>> be able to lift the knob free of the back. You will find room in the
>> back of the knob to accommodate the 3/8" diameter mounting bushing of a
>> potentiometer, a flat washer, and a thin nut -- the kind normally used
>> for mounting pots and rotary switches on old electronic equipment.
>>
>> Now -- in the back of the knob should be a 1/4" hole, and there
>> should be two setscrews at the back of the knob (probably hidden by the
>> skirt) which can be tightened by a long skinny Allen wrench to lock the
>> knob onto the 1/4" shaft of the potentiometer.
>
>
>I was wondering what those holes were for, they can be seen in picture
>number 4 here:
>
>http://counterpot.blogspot.com/

The set of shallow holes around the central one are to engage a
post projecting from the panel to keep it from rotating once it is
attached.

Also -- the raised ridge around the central hole is to drop into
a somewhat larger hole (1/2", I think), to allow the whole thing to sit
closer to the pot. That is not common in the later (shallower) ones,
but was for this model.

>where I have a few photos of it disassembled. Thanks for the post, I
>thought it was just a hand counter for use around the office but now I see
>how it can be attached to a shaft.

A hand counter would be more likely to have a lever which would
advance it one count at a time, instead of a knob.

[ ... ]

>On the bottom of the silver dial is written "Borg Equipment Division,
>Janesville Wis. USA, The George W. Borg Corporation".

And Borg is (was) a vendor of 10-turn potentiometers. Their
particular advantage is that they allow rather sensitive adjustments
over a fairly wide range, compared to a single-turn pot (which is
usually only good for 270 degrees of rotation or so, not a full 360
degrees.

>If you would like to have it I'd be happy to send it to you, email me and
>we'll work out the details.

I'll send a separate e-mail from this response. The rest of
what is above can continue to contribute to the online discussion.

Thanks,
DoN.
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JH

Jon Haugsand

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 1:34 PM

* Jonathan Wilson
> > My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
> > big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
> > bottom.)
> As a fan of LEGO, I can say that no helmet exists that looks like that :)

But maybe another plastic toy brand?

--
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Dept. of Informatics, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, mailto:[email protected]
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~jonhaug/, Phone: +47 22 85 24 92

JH

Jon Haugsand

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 10:25 AM

* R. H.
> "Jon Haugsand" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > * Matthew Newell
> > >
> > > 254 - a very bicycle lamp
> >
> > A signal lamp? For boats or road workers.
>
> This one isn't a lamp.

My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
bottom.)

--
Jon Haugsand
Dept. of Informatics, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, mailto:[email protected]
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~jonhaug/, Phone: +47 22 85 24 92

JH

Jon Haugsand

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 3:00 PM

* Matthew Newell
>
> 254 - a very bicycle lamp

A signal lamp? For boats or road workers.

>
> 255,256 no idea

255 shoemaker's tool?

256 a sewing machine?


>
> 257 pan handle - for the camping billycan that come in a
> nest and you have the handle (that fits all) inside the
> smallest - although on second thoughts it is the wrong
> shape

A bottle opener?


> 258 is a knife sharpener - the blade sits tween the +ve and
> -ve bits shown and it is pulled allong blade. the black
> metal guard is to stop the blade hitting fingers if you
> slip or get to the end of the knife and dont stop.
>
> its a seriously bad design: you're meant to put knife on
> table and draw thing along blade (the black guard then hits
> the table and stops injuryif you slip) - but people tend
> to hold the knife in one hand and the sharpener in the
> other - this lead to the knife and the knuckles coming
> together ( once you have slipped the guard just diverts the
> blade onto another bit of the finger). use a wall mounted
> sharpener - or better still a steel.

Or a cloth cutter (aka scissors).


> 259 a specialist key? (in the shape of a side arm batton)
> tell me it is not a police locker key!
> or is a peashooter?

A silencer?

--
Jon Haugsand
Dept. of Informatics, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, mailto:[email protected]
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~jonhaug/, Phone: +47 22 85 24 92

JH

Jon Haugsand

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 1:43 PM

* Jonathan Wilson
> > My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
> > big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
> > bottom.)
> As a fan of LEGO, I can say that no helmet exists that looks like that :)

But maybe another plastic toy brand?

However, it really looks like metal. The inner grey part looks like
something that can be rotated, i.e. some adjustment tool.

--
Jon Haugsand
Dept. of Informatics, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, mailto:[email protected]
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~jonhaug/, Phone: +47 22 85 24 92

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:57 PM


"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/27/2005 4:39 AM US(ET), R.H. took fingers to keys, and typed the
> following:
>
> >Added a few more photos today:
> >
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> >Along with answers to the previous set, which includes a photo showing
the
> >entire object seen in #248 and an explanation of the multi-tool in pic
#249.
> >
> >
> >I was doing some research on the web and finally confirmed the answer to
> >#237, which we had previously determined to be a modified Starrett
nipper.
> >It is actually a typewriter repair tool, used to nip the back or front of
a
> >typewriter bar. I found one just like it on ebay:
> >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=386974040
7&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> >
> >
> >Based on this, I'm also changing my answer on #243 from "either a
typewriter
> >tool or a wire stripper" to definitely a typewriter repair tool, since it
> >was found in the same tool box as #237. According to a typewriter expert
on
> >the web, #243 was used for adjusting the type bars by bending them one
way
> >or the other. Several people did post these answers correctly, but I had
> >been unable to verify them until now, so thanks to them for pointing me
in
> >the right direction.
> >
> >
> >Rob
> >
>
> 253 - zipper unsnag tool.

This one isn't a zipper tool.

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:26 PM


"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Multi turn knob for an electronic instrument. Digits show
> thru the 3 windows on top to indicate how many turns
> have been dialed. The sliding lever on the bottom locks
> it from turning.
>
> Art

I don't think it's for an electronic instrument, but the rest of your answer
is correct.

rM

[email protected] (Matthew Russotto)

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 9:41 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>Added a few more photos today:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/

254: Itty bitty shielded lantern
255: Stamping tool -- you held this over the die and hit it with a hammer.
256: Sewing machine part?
257: Bottle opener
258: Junk, given that it's from the "Creative Sales company" It would
appear that they claim it's a knife and scissor sharpener.
259: Janitor's tool; opens paper towel and toilet paper dispensers

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 12:56 PM


"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> jim rozen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >In article <[email protected]>, R.H. says...
> >> >>
> >> >>Added a few more photos today:
> >> >>
> >> >>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >> >
> >> >254 is a turns-counting helipot dial, made by maybe clarostat
> >> >or bournes.
> >>
> >> Agreed. For a ten-turn pot, with the first digit counting
> >> actual complete turns, and the other two showing tenths and hundredths
of
> >> a turn.
> >
> >This one might be a little different than the one you have in mind, one
> >complete turn (by hand) of the silver dial counts from 0 to 36, up to
999.
>
> Hmm ... that would give 27.75 turns to go full scale. I have
> seen a very few pots which were twenty turn instead of ten turn -- but
> even that would not reach full scale. Perhaps this one was made to go
> on something else -- a mechanical tuning device in some custom
> equipment. Normally, they are set up to go to full scale at the end of
> ten turns. Most used in later years are much shallower with a counter
> in a window which increments once per full turn, and has a 0-100 dial in
> the center.

I don't think it made to go on a piece of equipment, probably just a stand
alone hand turned counter.

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:50 PM


"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> jim rozen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>, R.H. says...
> >>
> >>Added a few more photos today:
> >>
> >>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> >254 is a turns-counting helipot dial, made by maybe clarostat
> >or bournes.
>
> Agreed. For a ten-turn pot, with the first digit counting
> actual complete turns, and the other two showing tenths and hundredths of
> a turn.

This one might be a little different than the one you have in mind, one
complete turn (by hand) of the silver dial counts from 0 to 36, up to 999.

>
> The little tab at the bottom left is a friction lock to keep the
> setting from drifting or being changed casually.

Yes.

>
> >256 is a specialized sewing machine foot.
>
> I don't think so. It looks too massive and does not appear to
> be jointed in such a way as to work for that.
>
> It looks, in part (left-hand end), like some sort of
> spring-loaded electrical contact -- perhaps for testing a rotor for a
> distributor or something similar.

I agree that it's not part of a sewing machine but I don't think it's for
anything electrical.

>
> >257 is a bottle opener
>
> Agreed -- for the broad mouth bottle lids like used to come on
> applesauce jars.

I thought it was for soda bottles, I've never used an opener on applesauce
jars.

>
> >259 is a handcuff key.
>
> More that that -- it is a particularly large version. My guess
> is that it is the kind used in prisons when transporting prisoners. It
> is too big to hide away, and can be chained to the correction's
> officer's belt. The end near the ring is for double-locking the cuffs --
> so they can't be made tighter or looser. Until that is done, they can be
> tightened just by squeezing them. The right-angle handle gives control
> for turning it at some distance from the hands of the person wearing
> them. With them this long, the person wearing them can't really get a
> grip on the key to unlock the cuffs even if he *does* get hold of the
> key. The standard keys are much smaller, and could allow someone to
> unlock himself.

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize the value of a longer key, thought it
was more of a novelty. I got it from a military surplus store.


>
> 255) A wrench for a bung plug for chemical drums, I think.

Wrench is correct, but not for bungs.

>
> 258) is a knife and scissors sharpener. I've got one
> resting on my lap as I type. Moulded into the black finger guard (and
> not readable in the image is:
>
> BYERS' CREATIVE
> SALES & MFG. CO.
> WHITEFISH MONT.
> 59937
> PAT NO. 4510824
>
> The knife blade is sharpened in the V at the end, and the scissors blade
> is sharpened in the square notch on the side visible in the second and
> third photos.

Mine must have come from a different batch, it says:

CREATIVE SALES COMPANY
SUPERSHARPENER.COM
MADE IN USA


Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 11:17 PM


"Jon Haugsand" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> * Matthew Newell
> >
> > 254 - a very bicycle lamp
>
> A signal lamp? For boats or road workers.

This one isn't a lamp.

>
> >
> > 255,256 no idea
>
> 255 shoemaker's tool?

Nope

>
> 256 a sewing machine?

Not part of a sewing machine

>
>
> >
> > 257 pan handle - for the camping billycan that come in a
> > nest and you have the handle (that fits all) inside the
> > smallest - although on second thoughts it is the wrong
> > shape
>
> A bottle opener?

Correct

>
>
> > 258 is a knife sharpener - the blade sits tween the +ve and
> > -ve bits shown and it is pulled allong blade. the black
> > metal guard is to stop the blade hitting fingers if you
> > slip or get to the end of the knife and dont stop.
> >
> > its a seriously bad design: you're meant to put knife on
> > table and draw thing along blade (the black guard then hits
> > the table and stops injuryif you slip) - but people tend
> > to hold the knife in one hand and the sharpener in the
> > other - this lead to the knife and the knuckles coming
> > together ( once you have slipped the guard just diverts the
> > blade onto another bit of the finger). use a wall mounted
> > sharpener - or better still a steel.
>
> Or a cloth cutter (aka scissors).

Sharpener was right.

>
>
> > 259 a specialist key? (in the shape of a side arm batton)
> > tell me it is not a police locker key!
> > or is a peashooter?
>
> A silencer?

Not a silencer.


RG

Rich Grise

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/02/2005 5:16 AM

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:51:46 +0000, R.H. wrote:

>
> "Jon Haugsand" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> * Jonathan Wilson
>> > > My children thought it was a lego man helmet. (But I think it is too
>> > > big, and I cannot figure out the release/open like handle at the
>> > > bottom.)
>> > As a fan of LEGO, I can say that no helmet exists that looks like that
> :)
>>
>> But maybe another plastic toy brand?
>>
>> However, it really looks like metal. The inner grey part looks like
>> something that can be rotated, i.e. some adjustment tool.
>
> This one isn't a toy nor an adjustment tool, and you're right, it is made of
> metal.

http://sakae-tsushin.co.jp/eng_page/item/tcd.html
http://www.meditronik.com.pl/doc/bourns/syp049060.pdf page 10
http://www.p3america.com/pp/md22xx.htm

and so on.

Cheres!
Rich

Tu

"TaskMule"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 2:10 PM


"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Added a few more photos today:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


257 is a paint can opener

Sd

"SteveB"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

28/01/2005 11:46 AM

New what is it question.

I bought a meat fork at a yard sale. It also came with a knife. The fork
has two tines. Both items have nice bone or antler handles. They look like
they are probably fifty years old.

On the meat fork, there is a folding thingus just up from the handle. It
moves ninety degrees. It is wishboned shape just like the meat fork. It
folds up or down. When folded down, it lays along the handle. When folded
up, it is at a ninety to the handle. When it is folded up, you can sit the
fork down, and the two points of the wishbone and the end of the horn handle
keep the two tines off the surface you sit it on. This is the only use I
can think of for the moveable piece.

Is that what it is used for, or does the piece have another/other uses?

Steve

BB

Barbara Bailey

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

27/01/2005 8:59 PM

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:23:21 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:

>256: Sewing machine part?

My husband *thinks* that it may be part of a specialized adjustable
plane. More than that he's not venturing.

Barb

Gs

"Glenn"

in reply to "R.H." on 27/01/2005 9:39 AM

29/01/2005 9:40 PM

That looks a lot like the knobs from the cavity tuning section of some of
the old transmitters I have messed with. I have seen some trimpots with 20
turns but they are rare in 1/4" shaft. Have also used some phasers that had
a knob like that on them, haven't seen any since we went to the plated
ceramic ones though. I didn't recognize it from the first single pic.
Glenn
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Look at the back. There should be a 3/8" hole in the center.
>>
>> Loosen the three black screws (only one shows in the photo, to
>> the right of the lock tab). The counter will lift off. Then you should
>> be able to lift the knob free of the back. You will find room in the
>> back of the knob to accommodate the 3/8" diameter mounting bushing of a
>> potentiometer, a flat washer, and a thin nut -- the kind normally used
>> for mounting pots and rotary switches on old electronic equipment.
>>
>> Now -- in the back of the knob should be a 1/4" hole, and there
>> should be two setscrews at the back of the knob (probably hidden by the
>> skirt) which can be tightened by a long skinny Allen wrench to lock the
>> knob onto the 1/4" shaft of the potentiometer.
>
>
> I was wondering what those holes were for, they can be seen in picture
> number 4 here:
>
> http://counterpot.blogspot.com/
>
> where I have a few photos of it disassembled. Thanks for the post, I
> thought it was just a hand counter for use around the office but now I see
> how it can be attached to a shaft.
>
>
>>
>> When the knob is mounted on the shaft, turn it fully CCW. Reach
>> into the back of the counter mechanism, and turn the gear there until
>> the counter reaches zero, slide it back onto the base with the screws
>> passing into the slots in the skirt, and tighten the screws. At this
>> point, your knob should read "000" with the pot fully CCW, and some
>> value when the pot (it should be a 10-turn one) fully CW. Ideally, it
>> should read "999", but based on your counting the turns vs digits, it
>> probably won't. (Unless you were determining a full turn by a visible
>> hole for a setscrew, and missed the fact that there are two at about 90
>> degrees separation in the knob.
>>
>> I *have* used this kind of knob, though more recently I have
>> mostly used the more shallow versions which I described in my last
>> quoted paragraph above. IIRC, the photographed style, I last saw in
>> *new* use around 1960, used to build things like temperature controllers
>> for test ovens for semiconductors which had to meet tight specs.
>>
>> If you have no future need for it once the contest is over, I
>> might be interested in acquiring it from you. I have not seen that
>> style for a long time.
>
>
> On the bottom of the silver dial is written "Borg Equipment Division,
> Janesville Wis. USA, The George W. Borg Corporation".
>
> If you would like to have it I'd be happy to send it to you, email me and
> we'll work out the details.
>
>
> Rob
>
>


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