I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
to the thickness I really want.
Just venting....
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On Jul 15, 11:07=A0pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> In reality depending on where you are this creates some oportunities.
> I'm in Washinton state
Okay, in your case, Mike, you have to watch your Ps & Qs _and_ Gs. ;)
R
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:53:31 +0200, B. Terry <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2012-07-16 20:15:05 +0000, Arthur Shapiro said:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> She keeps eyeing my compound miter and my table
>>> saw...
>>
>> Good show!
>>
>> When my cheapo "Tradesman" miter saw had a physical frame failure last year,
>> my housekeeper took it - I was going to trash it - and patched it up enough to
>> be useable. I went out and bought a nice Hitachi laser-guide miter saw, and
>> she has used it far more than I have, mostly in upgrading most of my
>> baseboards and the like.
>>
>> I've hated my POS Craftsman saber saw for the thirty years I've owned the
>> atrocity, and as a result of a recent "What's the Best Jig Saw" thread here in
>> the newsgroup I went out and purchased a Bosch. Talk about an upgrade!!! I
>> still haven't had need to use it myself in that month - it's not a tool I use
>> particularly often - but my housekeeper has used it a couple of times and is
>> similarly wowed by it. So thanks to the several of you who made that
>> recommendation, even though I wasn't the OP on that thread.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art
>
>[email protected]
b.Terry, none of your messages contain any additional comment by you.
Something isn't working for ya. This is maybe the fifth in two days
which hasn't said anything. Heads up!
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Win first, Fight later.
--martial principle of the Samurai
Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well - what in the hell are you waiting for? Get the wife out there
>> and get her going...
>
> What??? You want my home to be condemned? I don't want to be living
> with my
> frozen dairy dessert under some bridge abutment
>
> My far-more-talented housekeeper will tackle it today. It's a
> pleasure to run
> into a woman who loves tools and isn't afraid to use 'em.
>
Very true! I have to say that my wife turned into the woman of every man's
dreams not so long ago. I bought a log splitter after decades of splitting
firewood with a splitting maul, and got my wife to come out and work on
firewood with me. She was initially not so happy with me spending the money
on the splitter, but she reluctatantly came out and worked with me. I
blocked wood and she split it. At a point, I had to stop to refuel my saw
and took a moment to try out this new splitter. I got one or two pieces
split and she came over to demand of me, what was I doing with her power
tool! So the splitter is now her power tool and she is all too happy to man
it. Put a cordless drill in her hand and she is equally happy to take over
the job of the moment. She keeps eyeing my compound miter and my table
saw...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
> > I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is just
> > 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that? The best
> > they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down to the
> > thickness I really want.
>
> Are you talking softwood like pine or fir? Calling it "lumber" would
> tend to indicate that but I can't see using either for carving. But I
> buy hardwood frequently and the 4/4 is always at least 13/16' and more
> often 7/8" or more. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
Seriously. If that local yard has figured out how to sell less wood
than is in a 1x and call it 4/4, and figured out a way to make people
buy it, they're onto something!
R
On 2012-07-16 20:15:05 +0000, Arthur Shapiro said:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> She keeps eyeing my compound miter and my table
>> saw...
>
> Good show!
>
> When my cheapo "Tradesman" miter saw had a physical frame failure last year,
> my housekeeper took it - I was going to trash it - and patched it up enough to
> be useable. I went out and bought a nice Hitachi laser-guide miter saw, and
> she has used it far more than I have, mostly in upgrading most of my
> baseboards and the like.
>
> I've hated my POS Craftsman saber saw for the thirty years I've owned the
> atrocity, and as a result of a recent "What's the Best Jig Saw" thread here in
> the newsgroup I went out and purchased a Bosch. Talk about an upgrade!!! I
> still haven't had need to use it myself in that month - it's not a tool I use
> particularly often - but my housekeeper has used it a couple of times and is
> similarly wowed by it. So thanks to the several of you who made that
> recommendation, even though I wasn't the OP on that thread.
>
> Art
>
> Art
[email protected]
Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> Most brands of ice cream are now labeled "frozen dairy dessert", not
> "ice
> cream".
Must be a local thing. Nothing of the sorts around here (Central NY)
>
> I managed to find a carton of Breyer's ice cream last week, by
> rummaging
> through the grocery's large quantity of Breyer's. It was plain old
> chocolate,
> but beggars can't be choosers.
Breyer's is commonplace around here. As are other conventional flavors of
ice cream. My only complaint is that it seems that Black Raspberrry seems
to be a non-profitable flavor - and I love that flavor!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 8/6/2012 2:37 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> More Grrrr. I'm building a cabinet that needs to match an antique I
> already have. The old one was made of Doug Fir back in the days when 1"
> thick lumber was really 1" thick. Such a joy to put measuring tape to it
> and see that all the dimensions are nice round numbers. So frustrating
> to realize I'll have to go to Watsonville (Jackel Enterprises) for lumber.
>
Just by douglas fir dimensional lumber.
To prevent it from warping, sticker it, and weight it down for a while.
Check with a meter.
Buy 2x6 or 8 to get the bigger sizes. Then resaw to 4/4..
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ZqDMr.428984$%w4.78415
> @unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
>>> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
>>> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
>>> to the thickness I really want.
>>>
>>> Just venting....
>>
>> 2x4 ain't been 2x4s for ages, no lumber is.
>> I always order 5/4 to get 1 1/8 and 6/4 to get 1 1/4
>> dimensions given are always in the rough, always have been
>> At least as long as I've been buying wood
>
> Well, yes, but since when has 4/4 been only *eleven* sixteenths thick??
yea, I kinda skimmed that part, and that's cheatin' a bit more, but just by
a 1/16th
On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
your hands on. ;0>
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"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 8/6/2012 2:37 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> More Grrrr. I'm building a cabinet that needs to match an antique I
>> already have. The old one was made of Doug Fir back in the days when 1"
>> thick lumber was really 1" thick. Such a joy to put measuring tape to it
>> and see that all the dimensions are nice round numbers. So frustrating
>> to realize I'll have to go to Watsonville (Jackel Enterprises) for
>> lumber.
>>
>
> Just by douglas fir dimensional lumber.
>
> To prevent it from warping, sticker it, and weight it down for a while.
> Check with a meter.
>
> Buy 2x6 or 8 to get the bigger sizes. Then resaw to 4/4..
I've used 2x12 Douglas Fir that allowed me to remove the center/pith and end
up with clear quarter sawn boards from the remaining wood.... I resawed it
and cut it to rough dimension and then let it dry before 4 squaring it.
Ended up with decent wood out of the effort.
John
"ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ZqDMr.428984$%w4.78415
@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
>> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
>> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
>> to the thickness I really want.
>>
>> Just venting....
>
> 2x4 ain't been 2x4s for ages, no lumber is.
> I always order 5/4 to get 1 1/8 and 6/4 to get 1 1/4
> dimensions given are always in the rough, always have been
> At least as long as I've been buying wood
Well, yes, but since when has 4/4 been only *eleven* sixteenths thick??
"ChairMan" <nospam2@nospam2> wrote in news:ETKMr.92433$_z4.8275
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>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ZqDMr.428984$%w4.78415
>> @unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>
>>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
>>>> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
>>>> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
>>>> to the thickness I really want.
>>>>
>>>> Just venting....
>>>
>>> 2x4 ain't been 2x4s for ages, no lumber is.
>>> I always order 5/4 to get 1 1/8 and 6/4 to get 1 1/4
>>> dimensions given are always in the rough, always have been
>>> At least as long as I've been buying wood
>>
>> Well, yes, but since when has 4/4 been only *eleven* sixteenths thick??
>
> yea, I kinda skimmed that part, and that's cheatin' a bit more, but just by
> a 1/16th
No, it's not. It's off by 1/8.
"4/4" implies hardwood (if it were softwood, it would be called one-by instead), and that
means it's supposed to be surfaced to 13/16.
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> to the thickness I really want.
>
> Just venting....
2x4 ain't been 2x4s for ages, no lumber is.
I always order 5/4 to get 1 1/8 and 6/4 to get 1 1/4
dimensions given are always in the rough, always have been
At least as long as I've been buying wood
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:31:59 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
>
>> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
>> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
>> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
>> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
>
>I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>your hands on. ;0>
Dibs on all the straight chocolate (or mint'n'chip)! You can have
-all- the rest.
He undoubtedly meant pints. The new cartons are 48 ounces (v. 64) any
more. I like the No Sugar Added types, too. (I ache less.)
--
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she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:04:21 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/15/2012 4:31 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
>>
>>> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
>>> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
>>> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
>>> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
>>
>> I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>> your hands on. ;0>
>
>Wrong little pinkie there... "p", "q" who cares... :)
If you're lysdexic it doesn't matter. ;-)
On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:39:30 PM UTC-5, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> to the thickness I really want.
Find another yard or a hardwood dealer. Even 5/4 is barely 15/16 from a lo=
t of sources now. I have a couple of sources that provide 5/4 that is actu=
ally in the 1" to 1-1/8" range and they will cut and plane to any thickness=
I want as long as I buy 100bf or more. Get away from the commercial store=
s and find the guys who want to sell and serve.
But I do share your pain. I tried to buy some redwood a few weeks ago for =
patio furniture. In Kansas it is hard to even find redwood and I ended up =
with some of the 11/16 stock (mainly for decking). Not the best deal but t=
hat is what you are stick with on redwood in KS. Hardwoods are a very diff=
erent story.
RonB
RonB
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Edward A.
Falk) wrote:
>I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
>just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
>The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
>to the thickness I really want.
>
>Just venting....
In reality depending on where you are this creates some oportunities.
I'm in Washinton state so there is a fair amount available. It's
convenient to pick up kiln dried lumber, but a tree guy I do stuff for
had 5-6' diameter logs that he had resawn and kiln dried for flooring.
So this could create oportunites for smaller vendors to come in and
provide product.
Mike M
On Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:49:33 PM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:39:30 PM UTC-5, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> > I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> > just 11/16&quot; thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work wit=
h that?
> > The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> > to the thickness I really want.
>=20
> Find another yard or a hardwood dealer. Even 5/4 is barely 15/16 from a =
lot of sources now. I have a couple of sources that provide 5/4 that is ac=
tually in the 1" to 1-1/8" range and they will cut and plane to a=
ny thickness I want as long as I buy 100bf or more. Get away from the comm=
ercial stores and find the guys who want to sell and serve.
>=20
> But I do share your pain. I tried to buy some redwood a few weeks ago fo=
r patio furniture. In Kansas it is hard to even find redwood and I ended u=
p with some of the 11/16 stock (mainly for decking). Not the best deal but=
that is what you are stick with on redwood in KS. Hardwoods are a very di=
fferent story.
>=20
> RonB
>=20
> RonB
I should have noted - most local mills will provide rough sawn hardwood tha=
t is at or even thicker than the nominal dimension. It has to be planed bu=
t I pick my own thickness. I bought a 17" x 45" chunk of "8/4" walnut from=
a guy a few months ago that is actually 2-3/8" thick. Gonna make a fat li=
ttle rocking horse.
Arthur Shapiro wrote:
>
> It turned out to be 1 1/2 x 1 3/4, and as expected that was a
> non-existent
> size these days. I ended up having bigger stock milled down at a
> real lumber
> yard, and it's sitting in the garage ready to be installed.
>
Well - what in the hell are you waiting for? Get the wife out there and get
her going...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 7/15/2012 12:39 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> to the thickness I really want.
>
> Just venting....
Hardwood lumber (and sheet goods) is simply one of those materials that
you always need to verify dimensions before you buy.
It's always been that way, and it's best to assume that it always will be.
And, if you don't plan on dimensioning it yourself, you better buy
enough to finish that project, plus 20%.
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is just
> 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that? The best
> they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down to the
> thickness I really want.
Are you talking softwood like pine or fir? Calling it "lumber" would
tend to indicate that but I can't see using either for carving. But I
buy hardwood frequently and the 4/4 is always at least 13/16' and more
often 7/8" or more. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 7/15/2012 12:59 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is just
>> 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that? The best
>> they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down to the
>> thickness I really want.
>
> Are you talking softwood like pine or fir? Calling it "lumber" would
> tend to indicate that but I can't see using either for carving. But I
> buy hardwood frequently and the 4/4 is always at least 13/16' and more
> often 7/8" or more. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
>
I would agree for S2S but 4/4 has always been 3/4" in S4S lumber.
For some definition of "always"... :)
_WAY_ back framing lumber was nominally 13/16--the 3/4--1-1/2 came into
being sometime in like the '50s w/ the advent of so much more "real"
3/4" sheetgoods than were used previously. That made the 2-plies of ply
match up pretty well w/ a tubafor and got rid of that odd sixteenth of
the older dimensions.
Now we've progressed to the point where we're having to shim again or
buy undersized bits because the sheet goods have been cheapened down a
32-nd or so (if they're metric it's probably not 23/32nd but some near
roughly equivalent altho I've not thoroughly investigated that; just
supposition).
Progress, indeed! :(
It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
I'd not expect hardwoods to be that short, no...
--
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> to the thickness I really want.
Buy rough. I just surfaced roughly 100 board feet of 4/4. The boards are
now 15/16, some a bit under but more than 7/8,
.
--
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On 7/15/2012 4:31 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
>
>> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
>> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
>> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
>> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
>
> I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
> your hands on. ;0>
Wrong little pinkie there... "p", "q" who cares... :)
--
On 7/15/12 9:20 PM, ChairMan wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ZqDMr.428984$%w4.78415
>> @unlimited.newshosting.com:
>>
>>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
>>>> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
>>>> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
>>>> to the thickness I really want.
>>>>
>>>> Just venting....
>>>
>>> 2x4 ain't been 2x4s for ages, no lumber is.
>>> I always order 5/4 to get 1 1/8 and 6/4 to get 1 1/4
>>> dimensions given are always in the rough, always have been
>>> At least as long as I've been buying wood
>>
>> Well, yes, but since when has 4/4 been only *eleven* sixteenths thick??
>
> yea, I kinda skimmed that part, and that's cheatin' a bit more, but just by
> a 1/16th
>
It's cheating by an eighth. A very important eighth.
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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In article <[email protected]>,
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>"ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ZqDMr.428984$%w4.78415
>@unlimited.newshosting.com:
>
>Well, yes, but since when has 4/4 been only *eleven* sixteenths thick??
Yeah, seriously. Are the blades at the sawmill getting thicker?
I do know of one lumber yard in Watsonville (Jackel Enterprises) that
sells lumber with true dimensions, but it's not worth the 2 hour round
trip for just a few feet of cedar?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>Are you talking softwood like pine or fir?
Both 1x6 cedar and poplar.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>your hands on. ;0>
To inject a little (but important) further irrelevancy:
Most brands of ice cream are now labeled "frozen dairy dessert", not "ice
cream". So not only have "they" downsized the product, but they've cheapened
it to where it can't meet requirements for being termed "ice cream".
I managed to find a carton of Breyer's ice cream last week, by rummaging
through the grocery's large quantity of Breyer's. It was plain old chocolate,
but beggars can't be choosers.
Art
On 7/16/12 11:56 AM, Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>> your hands on. ;0>
>
> To inject a little (but important) further irrelevancy:
>
> Most brands of ice cream are now labeled "frozen dairy dessert", not "ice
> cream". So not only have "they" downsized the product, but they've cheapened
> it to where it can't meet requirements for being termed "ice cream".
>
> I managed to find a carton of Breyer's ice cream last week, by rummaging
> through the grocery's large quantity of Breyer's. It was plain old chocolate,
> but beggars can't be choosers.
>
> Art
>
Check the ingredients. They started to add plant gum and other crap to
it for "consistency and creaminess."
I already emailed them and said that after 3 decades of buying nothing
but Breyer's, I'll be buying a different brand.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Must be a local thing. Nothing of the sorts around here (Central NY)
>
I'm surprised. This is Southern California, where the most common non-house
brands are Dreyers (Edys out east, I understand) and Breyers. Dreyers seems
to be 100% "frozen dairy desert" now, and as I observed in the first message
Breyers is almost that way.
To get back to wood issues: The homeowner's association recently complained
about the faded paint on the wood that frames my garage door, and requested it
be touched up. No complaints - for once in their wretched lives it was
reasonable - but I decided that the wood itself had seen better days and the
minor expense of replacement was an intelligent expenditure.
It turned out to be 1 1/2 x 1 3/4, and as expected that was a non-existent
size these days. I ended up having bigger stock milled down at a real lumber
yard, and it's sitting in the garage ready to be installed.
Art
In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Well - what in the hell are you waiting for? Get the wife out there and get
>her going...
What??? You want my home to be condemned? I don't want to be living with my
frozen dairy dessert under some bridge abutment
My far-more-talented housekeeper will tackle it today. It's a pleasure to run
into a woman who loves tools and isn't afraid to use 'em.
Art
In article <[email protected]>, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> She keeps eyeing my compound miter and my table
> saw...
Good show!
When my cheapo "Tradesman" miter saw had a physical frame failure last year,
my housekeeper took it - I was going to trash it - and patched it up enough to
be useable. I went out and bought a nice Hitachi laser-guide miter saw, and
she has used it far more than I have, mostly in upgrading most of my
baseboards and the like.
I've hated my POS Craftsman saber saw for the thirty years I've owned the
atrocity, and as a result of a recent "What's the Best Jig Saw" thread here in
the newsgroup I went out and purchased a Bosch. Talk about an upgrade!!! I
still haven't had need to use it myself in that month - it's not a tool I use
particularly often - but my housekeeper has used it a couple of times and is
similarly wowed by it. So thanks to the several of you who made that
recommendation, even though I wasn't the OP on that thread.
Art
Art
More Grrrr. I'm building a cabinet that needs to match an antique I
already have. The old one was made of Doug Fir back in the days when 1"
thick lumber was really 1" thick. Such a joy to put measuring tape to it
and see that all the dimensions are nice round numbers. So frustrating
to realize I'll have to go to Watsonville (Jackel Enterprises) for lumber.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On 7/16/2012 8:27 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 15, 11:07 pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> In reality depending on where you are this creates some oportunities.
>>> I'm in Washinton state
>>
>> Okay, in your case, Mike, you have to watch your Ps & Qs _and_ Gs. ;)
>>
>> R
>
> I took typing from Leon
>
;~) +1
On 7/15/2012 12:59 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is just
>> 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that? The best
>> they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down to the
>> thickness I really want.
>
> Are you talking softwood like pine or fir? Calling it "lumber" would
> tend to indicate that but I can't see using either for carving. But I
> buy hardwood frequently and the 4/4 is always at least 13/16' and more
> often 7/8" or more. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
>
I would agree for S2S but 4/4 has always been 3/4" in S4S lumber.
On 7/15/2012 12:39 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is
> just 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that?
> The best they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down
> to the thickness I really want.
>
> Just venting....
>
Your local yard if F'ed up. And or are you sure you did not buy 3/4?
11/16" is not the new 3/4 like plywood is.
On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 12:59 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:30 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>
>>> I want to make a carved panel. The 4/4 lumber at the local yard is just
>>> 11/16" thick. Howninthehell am I supposed to work with that? The best
>>> they could suggest is that I buy some 8/4 and plane it down to the
>>> thickness I really want.
>>
>> Are you talking softwood like pine or fir? Calling it "lumber" would
>> tend to indicate that but I can't see using either for carving. But I
>> buy hardwood frequently and the 4/4 is always at least 13/16' and more
>> often 7/8" or more. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
>>
>
> I would agree for S2S but 4/4 has always been 3/4" in S4S lumber.
>
> For some definition of "always"... :)
>
> _WAY_ back framing lumber was nominally 13/16--the 3/4--1-1/2 came into
> being sometime in like the '50s w/ the advent of so much more "real"
> 3/4" sheetgoods than were used previously. That made the 2-plies of ply
> match up pretty well w/ a tubafor and got rid of that odd sixteenth of
> the older dimensions.
You are talking about construction lumber which is typically not sold as
4/4, 5/4 etc rather 1x by, 2x
> Now we've progressed to the point where we're having to shim again or
> buy undersized bits because the sheet goods have been cheapened down a
> 32-nd or so (if they're metric it's probably not 23/32nd but some near
> roughly equivalent altho I've not thoroughly investigated that; just
> supposition).
And I don't recall in recent history say in the last 30 years sheet
goods being sold as actual stated thickness although I have recently
purchased plywood that was actually 3/4" and 1/4" thick. Stuff looked
super fat. ;~)
>
> Progress, indeed! :(
>
> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
Actually a half gallon of ice cream is still a half gallon. I am not
sure I would be displeased with ice cream being sold as 1/2 gallon
actually having 3 quarts. Perhaps you meant 3 pints.
>
> I'd not expect hardwoods to be that short, no...
>
> --
>
>
On 7/16/2012 11:56 AM, Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>> your hands on. ;0>
>
> To inject a little (but important) further irrelevancy:
>
> Most brands of ice cream are now labeled "frozen dairy dessert", not "ice
> cream". So not only have "they" downsized the product, but they've cheapened
> it to where it can't meet requirements for being termed "ice cream".
>
> I managed to find a carton of Breyer's ice cream last week, by rummaging
> through the grocery's large quantity of Breyer's. It was plain old chocolate,
> but beggars can't be choosers.
>
> Art
>
Still the best,
http://bluebell.com/the_little_creamery/still_a_half_gallon.html
Ice Cream and the 1/2 gal containers still have 1/2 gal.
If you can't get it, consider that it is a locally produced product in
SE Tex but expanding.
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 11:07 pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> In reality depending on where you are this creates some oportunities.
>> I'm in Washinton state
>
>Okay, in your case, Mike, you have to watch your Ps & Qs _and_ Gs. ;)
>
>R
I took typing from Leon
On 7/15/2012 7:04 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 4:31 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/15/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
>>
>>> It is hard to tell what the OP means by "lumber" here, specifically. It
>>> surely wouldn't surprise if some mill or mills has/have gone to
>>> something more like the ply thickness for one-by stuff. After all, a
>>> half-gallon ice cream carton is now 3-qts. :(
>>
>> I will buy all those 3 quart, 1/2 gallon ice cream cartons you can get
>> your hands on. ;0>
>
> Wrong little pinkie there... "p", "q" who cares... :)
>
> --
So you meant to say 3 puarts??? ;~)