OT: Me In a Music Video (get a good laugh!)

On 11/16/2011 10:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/16/11 7:11 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Didn't see too much of you... you were in the background.
>
> That's the way if should be. It's an artist video, not a band video.
>
>
>> You sounded good though.
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> > The music was good, the song was good seems a little mature
>> for a 17 year old's songwriting.
>>
>
> You'd be surprised what they go through these days.
>
>
>> Was her voice enhanced? She has a very nice voice, nothing over the top,
>> nice range... nicely done.
>>
>
> No, though it should've been in a spot or two (autotune). :-)
> I don't see autotune as the evil that many people do. It's a tool, like
> any other tool (woodworking metaphor). It can be abused: making a
> mediocre singer sound good. Or it can be a tool used to fix little pitch
> issues that weren't noticed during recording.

I agree wholeheartedly with the tool analogy, besides fixing the
ocassional BG vocal harmony, I used it quite a bit to bring fretless
bass and horn players back into pitch.

But, fercrissakes ... to the wannabe pop "singer", with big tits/hunk
appeal being your sole talent,!PLEASE! don't use it live!

(then again, most of the Pop 100 acts, for whom it would be necessary,
don't sing live these days anyway ... thank jeseaux for small favors!)

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Greg Guarino wrote:

>
> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with
> singers. How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who,
> according to our bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers"
> (excluding 1, naturally).

Sounds like one of our female singers on our Worship Team. She though,
definitely has the 1. In fact - give her a tamborine and she'll hit the 1
every time. Unfortunately, she's supposed to be on the 2 and 4...

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:16:33 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
>> G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.
>
>F I learned fairly early on because it's needed to play in the key of C.
>
>I can do "the three chord trick" in the keys of C, D, E, A, and G along
>with most of the relative minors. See something in a flat key and out
>comes the capo, though I can manage a B flat, to play in F if I have to.
>
>I'm more of a singer really and sing tenor in our church choir.


I hate the key of E-flat when playing guitar.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

I just love to play with G Strings also butt, unlike you, I don't get
mixed up with minors.

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"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.

As soon as I finish the wherry I'm going to build a lap steel out of
cypress root.

-Zz

"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Casper" wrote The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is
> starting to look more attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of
> wall space.
What is this "wall space" you speak of? ;-)

On 11/16/2011 6:51 PM, Nova wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:16:33 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Zz Yzx<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
>>> G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.
>>
>> F I learned fairly early on because it's needed to play in the key of C.
>>
>> I can do "the three chord trick" in the keys of C, D, E, A, and G along
>> with most of the relative minors. See something in a flat key and out
>> comes the capo, though I can manage a B flat, to play in F if I have to.
>>
>> I'm more of a singer really and sing tenor in our church choir.
>
>
> I hate the key of E-flat when playing guitar.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=capo&x=0&y=0

On 11/17/2011 10:27 AM, Casper wrote:
> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
> "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
> myself to one hard drive...

That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for
under $120.00.

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3

That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour
a day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
one time.

On 11/17/2011 3:53 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/17/11 1:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 11/17/2011 10:27 AM, Casper wrote:
>>> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
>> > "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>>> myself to one hard drive...
>>
>> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
>> $120.00.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3
>>
>>
>>
>> That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour a
>> day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
>> one time.
>
> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.

> When I put songs on my computer or mp3 players, I don't compress them
> anywhere near what they do on iTunes. Most mp3's are compressed from a
> 45mb file down to 3-6mb. My mp3's are generally up around 11-15mb.
>

My numbers were based on an average 5MB file size. It's a rare person
who can truly discern a material difference between a 12MB mp3 and the
same one compressed to 5MB. Nevertheless, if your mp3s average 12MB,
you'd still get nearly 170,000 of them on a single 2TB drive.

If that's not enough, you can get a 3TB drive for around $170. That will
let you store 250,000 12MB mp3 files, or 200 thousand 15MB files, all on
a single drive. That's still enough to listen to about 20 songs a day,
every day for 25 years without ever repeating a single song. If you
listened to each one once, and had say 5 thousand favorites that you'd
listen to at least once or twice a year, as a practical matter you'd die
of old age before you got bored with your music library.

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Essential-Desktop-External/dp/B0042Z55RM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321574595&sr=8-1

On 11/17/2011 05:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 3:53 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/17/11 1:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 11/17/2011 10:27 AM, Casper wrote:
>>>> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
>>> > "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>>>> myself to one hard drive...
>>>
>>> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
>>> $120.00.
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour a
>>> day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
>>> one time.
>>
>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>
>> When I put songs on my computer or mp3 players, I don't compress them
>> anywhere near what they do on iTunes. Most mp3's are compressed from a
>> 45mb file down to 3-6mb. My mp3's are generally up around 11-15mb.
>>
>
> My numbers were based on an average 5MB file size. It's a rare person
> who can truly discern a material difference between a 12MB mp3 and the
> same one compressed to 5MB. Nevertheless, if your mp3s average 12MB,
> you'd still get nearly 170,000 of them on a single 2TB drive.
>
> If that's not enough, you can get a 3TB drive for around $170. That will
> let you store 250,000 12MB mp3 files, or 200 thousand 15MB files, all on
> a single drive. That's still enough to listen to about 20 songs a day,
> every day for 25 years without ever repeating a single song. If you
> listened to each one once, and had say 5 thousand favorites that you'd
> listen to at least once or twice a year, as a practical matter you'd die
> of old age before you got bored with your music library.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Essential-Desktop-External/dp/B0042Z55RM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321574595&sr=8-1
>
>
>
>
>
As well, get one of these NAS boxes for not more than a C note and set
it up for RAID-1 with two drives so if a drive crashes, no loss.

I have a Cisco/Linksys media/NAS box with two mirrored 2TB drives. The
whole mess was around $300.


--
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blame somebody else." -John Burroughs

Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> As well, get one of these NAS boxes for not more than a C note and set
> it up for RAID-1 with two drives so if a drive crashes, no loss.
>
> I have a Cisco/Linksys media/NAS box with two mirrored 2TB drives.
> The whole mess was around $300.

If you don't mind messing around with software, you can use an oldish
computer to do that. The only real trick would be getting RAID to work,
but I'm sure there's a Linux-package-distro that makes it easy. (There
seems to be one of those for just about everything.)

If running Windows on your primary machine, be sure to get the Pro or
better versions. They support backing up to a Network out of the box.
(My system makes backups every week with no intervention. That's how it
should be.)

Obligatory Woodworking Content: I'd love to find an inexpensive player
that would play my MP3s in the shop with expandable storage or Wireless
LAN connection and good antenna.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> That said the physiology of human hearing is an amazing thing. As
> indicated above, a trained ear will actually add in the missing
> frequencies that his ear can't actually hear due to a recognition of third
> order harmonics which color the sound; and, conversely, the absence of
> same in a CD recording, will also be very apparent to that trained ear

Yep, and it can happen to an untrained ear in some cases as well.

I had a small voice only studio with some monitor speakers designed for am
radio. Since I was just recording voice, it was just fine. But sometimes
some folks came by and wanted to listen to some music. I put on the music
and played it back on the am monitors. There were high quality monitors.
The sound was perfect for about 60 percent of the sound spectrum. The rest
just wasn't there. It was not needed or was it built in. Amazingly, most
people complimented me on the high end. Some folks thought I was lying when
I told them there was no high end. I got out the documentation and showed
them the frequency response graph. But they swore that they heard
absolutely wonderful high end.

They did in fact hear absolutely wonderful low end and middle. They just
filled in the rest. Good old psycho acoustics!

On 11/17/2011 08:44 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Doug Winterburn<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> As well, get one of these NAS boxes for not more than a C note and set
>> it up for RAID-1 with two drives so if a drive crashes, no loss.
>>
>> I have a Cisco/Linksys media/NAS box with two mirrored 2TB drives.
>> The whole mess was around $300.
>
> If you don't mind messing around with software, you can use an oldish
> computer to do that. The only real trick would be getting RAID to work,
> but I'm sure there's a Linux-package-distro that makes it easy. (There
> seems to be one of those for just about everything.)
>
> If running Windows on your primary machine, be sure to get the Pro or
> better versions. They support backing up to a Network out of the box.
> (My system makes backups every week with no intervention. That's how it
> should be.)
>
> Obligatory Woodworking Content: I'd love to find an inexpensive player
> that would play my MP3s in the shop with expandable storage or Wireless
> LAN connection and good antenna.
>
> Puckdropper

For automatic network backup from a linux server for linux and windows
machines, I use backuppc:

http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/




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"A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to
blame somebody else." -John Burroughs

"Robatoy" wrote:

> A pair of Bruel & Kjear 4133 1/2" microphones, ..................

B&K, haven't heard that name in almost 50 years and then not for audio
equipment but rather for a motor driven oscillator used for
electro-dynamic vibration test stands used primarily by the space
program.

Lew

On 11/18/2011 10:59 AM, Casper wrote:
>
>>>> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
>>>> "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>>>> myself to one hard drive...
>>>
>>> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
>>> $120.00.
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3
>>>
>>>
>>> That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour a
>>> day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
>>> one time.
>>
>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>>
>> When I put songs on my computer or mp3 players, I don't compress them
>> anywhere near what they do on iTunes. Most mp3's are compressed from a
>> 45mb file down to 3-6mb. My mp3's are generally up around 11-15mb.
>
> I quit using compressed formats years ago. I strictly use lossless
> now, either FLAC or ALAC. 2k CDs in lossless uses a bit'o space.

Even at that, if your average file was 30MB, you could still put a
hundred thousand songs on a single 3TB HD. At an average 3 minutes a
song (10MB/minute), that's 5,000 hours of continuous listening. At an
hour of listening a day, it would take you nearly 14 years to listen to
your entire collection, without ever repeating a single song. That's
still not much of a limit.

In article <[email protected]>,
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.

And this is me last Saturday being Santa Claus - no false beards here!

http://www.witneytv.co.uk/

I'm at that garden centre right through till Christmas, earning money for
more tools!

--
Stuart Winsor

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In article <[email protected]>,
Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
> G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.

F I learned fairly early on because it's needed to play in the key of C.

I can do "the three chord trick" in the keys of C, D, E, A, and G along
with most of the relative minors. See something in a flat key and out
comes the capo, though I can manage a B flat, to play in F if I have to.

I'm more of a singer really and sing tenor in our church choir.

--
Stuart Winsor

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In article <[email protected]>,
Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> I hate the key of E-flat when playing guitar.

Yeh, well, any flat key is a pain.

--
Stuart Winsor

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In article <[email protected]>,
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fretted instrument players have it easy. Learn a few movable chords and
> the world is your oyster.

Thankfully, for people like me, yes :-)

There are, of course, different ways of spelling most chords and one guy I
know is very good at that sort of thing.

> Keyboard players need to construct a new fingering universe for each
> new key.

I have a huge admiration for keyboard players, especially organists who
can play with two hands and feet as well, while conducting a choir with
their head, face and eyebrows. I have enough issues trying to read one
stave of music (+words)


> Forty years of "Goldilocks" vocalists ("G is much too high ... but F is
> too low. F Sharp is *just right*") has conferred Most Favored Nation
> status on more and more keys as I have gotten older. I play songs in
> every key, but not without the occasional withering glance in the
> direction of the vocalist.

Well, as a tenor "with low notes" who has had singing lessons from a very
experienced teacher, you'd have no problem with me. I can sing a bass E
(below the bottom line of the bass clef) and I have been known to hit a
high C (middle of treble clef). Before I had lessons, my absolute top
note, with a following wind <g>, was an F#

--
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In article <[email protected]>,
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with singers.
> How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who, according to our
> bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers" (excluding 1, naturally).

Pretty good usually. The only time I struggle is when I'm trying to sing
the modern stuff where everything is off the beat and heavily syncopated
and I'm trying to play guitar (rhythm) at the same time.

With some of the anthems we sing in church, which involve counterpoint, If
I'm not" bang on the button", the whole lot can come apart and become a
horrible mess.

--
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In article <[email protected]>,
Winston_Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ex musician, future woodworker lurking here.

> Lots of instruments are wood and the construction details are critical
> to the sound.

I've a hankering to have a go at a bowed psaltery because the construction
looks relatively easy, with no fancy curves, and the sound is amazing.

http://www.apsimplepsaltery.com/

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In article <[email protected]>,
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
> someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
> my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
> all take care, musicians or not.

You don't need rapidly spinning sharp objects. I know this guy through a
computer club.

http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/john/kitethumb/index.html

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First time didn't make it, trying again...

>My wife got me a bass kit from Grizzly awhile back that will test my
>primitive finishing skills, for once I'm researching first and starting
>second. Rebuilding a Fender bass I found at a flea market was also fun in
>large part because woodworking gave me the confidence to tear the instrument
>down to the bone and rebuild it despite never having done that kind of thing
>before.

I've done some minor repair work but no building or rebuilding. I've
toyed with the idea, especially since I've thought about trying the
bass guitar. Guess I'll have to poke around the local flea market.

>As for CDs I've designing a new set of shelves that will go right
>to the ceiling and waste less space between shelves, it's the only way to
>get the stacks of CDs that are all over the house off various pieces of
>furniture and onto the wall where we can find them when we want them.

Most of mine are in a giant metal rack I picked up a few years ago.
Run-over is in milk crates, waiting to be cataloged. I use a program
to try and avoid re-buying the same CD, which has happened.

>The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is starting to look more
>attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of wall space.
>DGDevin

I'm already in the process of doing that and glad of it. Much easier
to listen to all around the house. Protects the CD too, from being
handled too much. I already decided this year is the last year I'm
going to "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
myself to one hard drive and anything new going in requires something
going out. With over 2k in albums, there are too many I don't listen
too, at least often enough.

;)
`Casper

On Nov 15, 5:24=A0am, Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> =A0 =A0-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video an=
d
> > go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> > The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> And this is me last Saturday being Santa Claus - no false beards here!
>
> http://www.witneytv.co.uk/
>
> I'm at that garden centre right through till Christmas, earning money for
> more tools!
>
> --
> Stuart Winsor
>
> Only plain text for emailshttp://www.asciiribbon.org

That's pretty cool, Stuart! Now I have a face and voice to overdub in
my mind when I read your posts. Hohohohoho

On Nov 15, 12:01=A0pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
> lousy with 'em. .....

Many woodworkers are in it because of the creative nature of the
craft. Thus, those "creatives" are often also musicians of a sort.

On Nov 21, 4:05=A0am, Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> =A0 =A0Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
> > someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
> > my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
> > all take care, musicians or not.
>
> You don't need rapidly spinning sharp objects. I know this guy through a
> computer club.
>
> http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/john/kitethumb/index.html

Didn't slow down Tony Iommi or Jerry Garcia.

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/18/11 8:24 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with
>> singers. How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who,
>> according to our bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers"
>> (excluding 1, naturally).
>
> How do you know when a chick lead singer is at your door?
> She can't find the right key and doesn't know when to come it.

Do you know what the difference is between a chick singer and a puppy?
Pat a puppy on the head and it quits whining.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Nov 15, 1:06=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df9xFhjuvjDE

Most excellent! It is a really good video, and I can't help thinking
a) looking at her I miss my teens
b) hearing the emo thing, I _really_ don't miss my teens!

How come you weren't wearing the Official wREC baseball cap, in either
the Normite or Neander flavor? Stop promoting other people that pay
you, and think of us! We deserve the charity. ;)

R

On Nov 15, 3:01=A0pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
> lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
> spend time on, in my experience.
>
> I'm a keyboard player by the way. Pretty active for my (advanced) age
> too. I've been in a 9 piece cover band for about 16 years now. Until
> this year we regularly worked more than 100 gigs per year ;not bad for
> "part-time". Things have slacked off considerably, but we'll probably
> have totaled seventy or eighty by year's end.
>
> I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
> someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
> my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
> all take care, musicians or not.

Bluegrass banjo since '76.

>
> Don't get me started. =A0 :-(
> There is room. =A0Listen to a Bruce Hornsby record.
>

Well us drummers can't always be "King of the hill"

On Nov 15, 1:06=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df9xFhjuvjDE
>
> --

Tasty. Now comes the hard part: exposure. The material and execution
of this video has plenty of staying power to make it a long ways up
the charts. Da Kids will love it. My 17-year old loves it...and I do.
So... who is the dude with the goofy hat?

On Nov 15, 9:16=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> > This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> > She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> > So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video an=
d
> > go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> > The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> > My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is ver=
y
> > high quality.
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df9xFhjuvjDE
>
> Good video and the music, and the mix, is very well done, like the B3
> patch on the keyboard lead ... the lyrics are indeed a bit angst ridden,
> but the melody is excellent. Drums sound real good, but then your drums
> always do.
>
> At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.
>
> This one got heavy rotation on Nashville Network and Country Music
> channel way back when, and even got us a ton of festival gigs around the
> country, but the only guy in the video in the actual band is the
> singer/songwriter, the rest were hired actors for the shoot, because the
> record company didn't want to fly us in and pay scale. One of the
> reasons why I despise Nashville and their damned self-delusional "we
> know best" BS. (The only place we (the guys actually playing the music)
> got credits were on the album itself).
>
> There are requisite tits and ass shots (some cutie pies in bikinis in
> the video), but the actor playing air bass on _my_ bass line is so much
> fuglier than I am! =A0:)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx2VEGCwwLi8
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

That's pretty cool music, dude!!! <G> I LIKE!

Didn't see too much of you... you were in the background. You sounded
good though. The music was good, the song was good seems a little mature
for a 17 year old's songwriting.

Was her voice enhanced? She has a very nice voice, nothing over the top,
nice range... nicely done.

On 11/15/2011 1:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>
>

"Just Wondering" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
> $120.00.

2TB internals were under eighty bucks just weeks ago until the flooding in
Thailand put a halt to a big chunk of the world's hard drive
manufacturing--that price has about doubled. Happily I picked up a couple
of 2TB drives just before the price spiked. I've learned the hard way that
multiple backups are not an option.

"Swingman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> That said the physiology of human hearing is an amazing thing. As
> indicated above, a trained ear will actually add in the missing
> frequencies that his ear can't actually hear due to a recognition of third
> order harmonics which color the sound; and, conversely, the absence of
> same in a CD recording, will also be very apparent to that trained ear ...
> which is the main reason why some of these older than Methuselah audio
> engineers, like Bruce Swedien, can work well past their hearing prime, and
> what any hearing tests performed on them would indicate.


I used to be an audiophile, but with extensive therapy I recovered. A big
move where all the gee-whiz audio gear went into storage and stayed there
for quite some time helped a lot. I'm thinking of putting some of that gear
back into service, but not on the worshipping-at-the-alter scale. These
days I'd rather buy power tools or maybe a new bass guitar or something like
that as opposed to some gold-plated piece of hi-fi gear. But it's funny
that I can still remember what certain recordings played through that kind
of system sounded like, and I can hear how feeble most people's audio
systems are these day ("home theatre" setups designed to make explosions and
death rays sound good rather than reproduce music). I guess I'm not
*completely* cured, maybe there are meetings I can attend to help me stay on
the wagon....

On 11/17/2011 7:53 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/17/11 7:34 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 8:00 pm, "DGDevin"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "-MIKE-" wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>>>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>>>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>>>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>>>
>>> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or
>>> in the
>>> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power
>>> tools and
>>> so on. On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent
>>> speaker
>>> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
>>> anywhere else. If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
>>> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that
>>> would
>>> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of
>>> backups if
>>> I was getting rid of the CDs).
>>
>> This is a worthwhile read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm
>
> "I listened for differences between the original CD and the iTunes
> rendition. Hearing no difference is perfection, and I got that at 128kbs
> variable bit rate."
>
> He's either is out of his mind or like many former audio professionals,
> has lost his high end hearing.

I disagree ... and totally agree with the following quote:

"Beware that many of the defects many people blame on data compression
are in the CDs they bought in the first place. "

Open up a modern CD, with content mixed for radio, which is the usual
mix format compression, and look at the overall waveform ... most often
it will resemble a 2 x 4. (Try a Ricky Martin CD if you want to see what
overuse of compression really looks like ... and sounds like as a result
... IOW, more cowbell, please!) :)

I'm indeed a "former audio professional who has lost his high end
hearing" (the very reason I quit selling my services as an audio
engineer about ten years ago), but with the Nyquist filter required in a
44.1hz sampling rate for CD digital recording, the Nyquist maximum
frequency is 22050 Hz (with basically no power at frequencies above that).

This is unarguably far less than what you will hear on an analog
recording, that may have third harmomic content well above 50Kz
...whether you can hear it or not, that content that is above your
ability to hear will still "color" the sound of that which you can hear.

IOW, it ain't there on the 44.1 Khz CD ... and anything else is
imagination. :)

That said the physiology of human hearing is an amazing thing. As
indicated above, a trained ear will actually add in the missing
frequencies that his ear can't actually hear due to a recognition of
third order harmonics which color the sound; and, conversely, the
absence of same in a CD recording, will also be very apparent to that
trained ear ... which is the main reason why some of these older than
Methuselah audio engineers, like Bruce Swedien, can work well past their
hearing prime, and what any hearing tests performed on them would indicate.

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Nice job!

All musicians knew their parts, as far as "controlling themselves"
(presence) went.

Good tune, I liked it, and well performed. Video was professional quality
too.

Percussion was nothing too fancy and didn't show you off much. You must be
less crazy than I figured , from that tune.

I played with a few bands, years back and the good drummers were always the
unpredictable, wild personalities. Anytime we had a drummer without the
craziness the band was "draggy" LOL


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"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
She also asked me to play in her band in this video.

So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.

My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
high quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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"Casper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>Lots of musiods in here, yes. I think it's a natural thing for any
>>artists: musician, actor, painter, etc., to be into another creative art
>>form... woodworking. -MIKE-

> (Raises hand.) Yep, yep. A very natural thing indeed. That's where I
> started. Piano, guitar, native flute, recorder and a dabble of drums.
> Nothing pro for me, although I know a few. I'm a heavy listener these
> days, sporting over 2k in CDs. My woodworking tools are starting to
> catch up! LOL! I wish I had started woodworking all those years ago
> too. Ah well, it is what it is and I'm enjoying it. :)

My wife got me a bass kit from Grizzly awhile back that will test my
primitive finishing skills, for once I'm researching first and starting
second. Rebuilding a Fender bass I found at a flea market was also fun in
large part because woodworking gave me the confidence to tear the instrument
down to the bone and rebuild it despite never having done that kind of thing
before. As for CDs I've designing a new set of shelves that will go right
to the ceiling and waste less space between shelves, it's the only way to
get the stacks of CDs that are all over the house off various pieces of
furniture and onto the wall where we can find them when we want them. The
idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is starting to look more
attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of wall space.

On 11/17/2011 8:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/17/11 8:36 PM, Swingman wrote:


>> IOW, it ain't there on the 44.1 Khz CD ... and anything else is
>> imagination. :)
\
> I will take a step back on my statement. Most songs are now mastered 3
> times. Once for CD, once for radio and again for mp3s. The mp3's that
> are mastered by the producers are pretty exceptional. I can still hear a
> difference with the 128 mp3's. The 320 ones are pretty darn close.
>
> Most of what I'm getting from artists for learning their set lists, are
> done by them or their management on their own laptop iTunes at a
> horrible rate, like 128. And they all sound terrible.

I might have missed the context ... I thought the discussion was about
ripping a CD to an audio codec that makes it sound better than the sow's
ear it was to start out. :)

If so, my fault ...

> Karl, you're right about the "brick wall" compression. Sounds awful.

That ain't the word for it, Bubba. <g>

For the record, and before it gets lost to humanity:

To this day, even with the so called advances in recording technology,
the ONLY way to record drums and bass for the absolute ultimate in sonic
experience _and accurate reproduction_ is on a 2" 16 track analog
machine running at 30ips. You only gotta hear it once ... it's not
Memorex, it's real ... and your brain will never let your ears forget
the experience ...

Sync it to the rest, but start out with the best!

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On 11/15/2011 8:16 AM, Swingman wrote:

> At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.

A trip to the attic to find and check my copy (comp) of the video (on
VHS) ... it was released in 1994, 17 farking years ago (which explains
the cheesy once state of the art).

Jesuseaux ... I woulda sworn it was only five or six years ago.

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On 11/15/2011 12:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/15/11 9:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>>
>>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>>
>>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
>>> high quality.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I did not laugh, but will if you indicate it was really you in the red
>> dress or the dude'ette. ;~)
>
>
> "dude'ette" brilliant.
> We called him "Bieber" during the shoot.
>
>

Well he does like to dress in women's clothing too. I'm confused.....

On 11/15/2011 12:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

> Wow, those bikinis are screaming 1985-88. Am I close?
> Song is a nice merging of Texas Swing and N'awlins swamp boogie.


Four coonasses in that particular band, and two from Texas ... we put
the "swamp swing" on everything. :)

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On Nov 14, 10:06=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df9xFhjuvjDE
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Really excellent stuff. Totally pro in my estimation and I've done
some studio work as an artist and producer. Must have been fun. The
producer/engineer left the drums sounding pretty small but it isn't
easy when they have to leave so much space for a piano.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:01:07 -0500, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
>lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
>spend time on, in my experience.

I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.

As soon as I finish the wherry I'm going to build a lap steel out of
cypress root.

-Zz

>>> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
>>> "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>>> myself to one hard drive...
>>
>> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
>> $120.00.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3
>>
>>
>> That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour a
>> day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
>> one time.
>
>How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>
>When I put songs on my computer or mp3 players, I don't compress them
>anywhere near what they do on iTunes. Most mp3's are compressed from a
>45mb file down to 3-6mb. My mp3's are generally up around 11-15mb.

I quit using compressed formats years ago. I strictly use lossless
now, either FLAC or ALAC. 2k CDs in lossless uses a bit'o space.

>Lots of musiods in here, yes. I think it's a natural thing for any
>artists: musician, actor, painter, etc., to be into another creative art
>form... woodworking. -MIKE-

(Raises hand.) Yep, yep. A very natural thing indeed. That's where I
started. Piano, guitar, native flute, recorder and a dabble of drums.
Nothing pro for me, although I know a few. I'm a heavy listener these
days, sporting over 2k in CDs. My woodworking tools are starting to
catch up! LOL! I wish I had started woodworking all those years ago
too. Ah well, it is what it is and I'm enjoying it. :)

On Nov 17, 8:53=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/17/11 7:34 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 8:00 pm, "DGDevin"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> "-MIKE-" =A0wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> >>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
> >>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
> >>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>
> >> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or in=
the
> >> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power too=
ls and
> >> so on. =A0On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent s=
peaker
> >> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
> >> anywhere else. =A0If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as=
a
> >> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that w=
ould
> >> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of backu=
ps if
> >> I was getting rid of the CDs).
>
> > This is a worthwhile read:http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm
>
> "I listened for differences between the original CD and the iTunes
> rendition. Hearing no difference is perfection, and I got that at 128kbs
> variable bit rate."
>
> He's either is out of his mind or like many former audio professionals,
> has lost his high end hearing.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

128kbs, dithered properly and depending on instrument(s) played, can
indeed be impossible to tell, Mr. Golden Ears. (Does this need a
smiley?)

That was what was meant by "controlling themselves". Too many players are
really great when needed and "look at me" when not wanted. Maybe it's an
experience maturity thing. I played too many bars and hated that for years
before giving it up. My two older boys followed the musical interest. One
did percussion in school for seven years and was damn fine but won't tough
it now. The other picked it up by himself and plays many instruments, quite
well, but never tried professionally. A third one only listens.

Now I am married to a wife that doesn't like much music, basically, at all.
Can't stand anything dynamic or creative and I have listened to too many
nail gun pops and whining in my ears, as a result. Should have hired the
framer but no... had to do it myself. LOL

-------------
"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Most session work follows the KISS rule. My general rule is play half of
what I think I should play, then play less. That usually ends up
sounding good. I'd rather be told to play more and stretch out a bit
than, "could you back off a bit, you're too busy."

I've had some sessions where it was appropriate to show the "crazy
side." :-)


--

-MIKE-

On Nov 17, 10:45=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 8:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 11/17/11 8:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
> >> IOW, it ain't there on the 44.1 Khz CD ... and anything else is
> >> imagination. :)
> \
> > I will take a step back on my statement. Most songs are now mastered 3
> > times. Once for CD, once for radio and again for mp3s. The mp3's that
> > are mastered by the producers are pretty exceptional. I can still hear =
a
> > difference with the 128 mp3's. The 320 ones are pretty darn close.
>
> > Most of what I'm getting from artists for learning their set lists, are
> > done by them or their management on their own laptop iTunes at a
> > horrible rate, like 128. And they all sound terrible.
>
> I might have missed the context ... I thought the discussion was about
> ripping a CD to an audio codec that makes it sound better than the sow's
> ear it was to start out. :)
>
> If so, my fault ...
>
> > Karl, you're right about the "brick wall" compression. Sounds awful.
>
> That ain't the word for it, Bubba. =A0<g>
>
> For the record, and before it gets lost to humanity:
>
> To this day, even with the so called advances in recording technology,
> the ONLY way to record drums and bass for the absolute ultimate in sonic
> experience _and accurate reproduction_ is on a 2" 16 track analog
> machine running at 30ips. You only gotta hear it once ... it's not
> Memorex, it's real ... and your brain will never let your ears forget
> the experience ...
>
> Sync it to the rest, but start out with the best!
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

A pair of Bruel & Kjear 4133 1/2" microphones, straight into a Nagra,
all analogue and I'm pretty sure the brain will respond the same way
as you outlined. When it sounds right, you know it.

On Nov 15, 2:06=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df9xFhjuvjDE
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

She is good. Where is she from? Looking forward to hearing more. Band
is pretty tight too.

On Nov 18, 1:06=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/18/11 8:13 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Then there is that story of the PAIR of matched AKG 414 XLS
> > microphones which I missed. They walked out of that pawnshop for for
> > 400...$ gasp...$ 400.00 the pair... mint.....
>
> wow, someone's rear end must hurt, real bad. =A0:-)
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Self inflicted for not getting them on time...or the pawnshop owner
once he figured it out what they were worth?

On Nov 18, 12:38=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> > A pair of Bruel & Kjear 4133 1/2" microphones, ..................
>
> B&K, haven't heard that name in almost 50 years and then not for audio
> equipment but rather for a motor driven oscillator used for
> electro-dynamic vibration test stands used primarily by the space
> program.
>
> Lew

I owned a B&K motor driven signal generator, all tubes, two
oscillators (to set up beat frequency for calibration, and a
speedometer-type cable which drove a linear chart recorder. Dead nuts
accurate 20-20KHz.
The 2 mics, with their associated preamps and calibrated as a unit,
came from two B&K sound pressure meters. Flat...and I mean FLAT from
6-100KHz. The capsules, the size of a 1/2" pill, were $ 3000.00 each,
hence I borrowed them from The National Research Council in Ottawa
when I needed them. For audio purposes, the flatness and dynamic range
were perfect, but the noise-floor was a bit high and at that size,
there were almost 100% omni. It would probably take a kiloton nuclear
explosion at 10 ft to overload those crazy things.

Then there is that story of the PAIR of matched AKG 414 XLS
microphones which I missed. They walked out of that pawnshop for for
400...$ gasp...$ 400.00 the pair... mint.....

On Nov 17, 8:00=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" =A0wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> > How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
> > call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
> > iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>
> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or in th=
e
> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power tools =
and
> so on. =A0On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent spea=
ker
> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
> anywhere else. =A0If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that woul=
d
> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of backups =
if
> I was getting rid of the CDs).

This is a worthwhile read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm

"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.

I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or in the
garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power tools and
so on. On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent speaker
setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
anywhere else. If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that would
require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of backups if
I was getting rid of the CDs).

>My wife got me a bass kit from Grizzly awhile back that will test my
>primitive finishing skills, for once I'm researching first and starting
>second. Rebuilding a Fender bass I found at a flea market was also fun in
>large part because woodworking gave me the confidence to tear the instrument
>down to the bone and rebuild it despite never having done that kind of thing
>before.

I've done some minor repair work but no building or rebuilding. I've
toyed with the idea, especially since I've thought about trying the
bass guitar. Guess I'll have to poke around the local flea market.

>As for CDs I've designing a new set of shelves that will go right
>to the ceiling and waste less space between shelves, it's the only way to
>get the stacks of CDs that are all over the house off various pieces of
>furniture and onto the wall where we can find them when we want them.

Most of mine are in a giant metal rack I picked up a few years ago.
Run-over is in milk crates, waiting to be cataloged. I use a program
to try and avoid re-buying the same CD, which has happened.

>The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is starting to look more
>attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of wall space.
>DGDevin

I'm already in the process of doing that and glad of it. Much easier
to listen to all around the house. Protects the CD too, from being
handled too much. I already decided this year is the last year I'm
going to "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
myself to one hard drive and anything new going in requires something
going out. With over 2k in albums, there are too many I don't listen
too, at least often enough.

;)
`Casper

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:09:40 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 15, 5:24 am, Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>    -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>> > go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>> > The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>
>> And this is me last Saturday being Santa Claus - no false beards here!
>>
>> http://www.witneytv.co.uk/
>>
>> I'm at that garden centre right through till Christmas, earning money for
>> more tools!
>>
>> --
>> Stuart Winsor
>>
>> Only plain text for emailshttp://www.asciiribbon.org
>
>That's pretty cool, Stuart! Now I have a face and voice to overdub in
>my mind when I read your posts. Hohohohoho

ILLEGAL ENTRY! NO XMAS CRAP UNTIL --AFTER-- THANKSGIVING, DAMNIT!

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On 11/15/11 4:24 AM, Stuart wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> And this is me last Saturday being Santa Claus - no false beards here!
>
> http://www.witneytv.co.uk/
>
> I'm at that garden centre right through till Christmas, earning money for
> more tools!
>

EXCELLENT! Say hi to the elves for me. :-)


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On 11/15/11 8:16 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Good video and the music, and the mix, is very well done, like the B3
> patch on the keyboard lead ... the lyrics are indeed a bit angst ridden,
> but the melody is excellent. Drums sound real good, but then your drums
> always do.
>
> At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.
>

I kind of wish they had, Karl. :-)


> This one got heavy rotation on Nashville Network and Country Music
> channel way back when, and even got us a ton of festival gigs around the
> country, but the only guy in the video in the actual band is the
> singer/songwriter, the rest were hired actors for the shoot, because the
> record company didn't want to fly us in and pay scale. One of the
> reasons why I despise Nashville and their damned self-delusional "we
> know best" BS. (The only place we (the guys actually playing the music)
> got credits were on the album itself).
>
> There are requisite tits and ass shots (some cutie pies in bikinis in
> the video), but the actor playing air bass on _my_ bass line is so much
> fuglier than I am! :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VEGCwwLi8
>

Wow, those bikinis are screaming 1985-88. Am I close?
Song is a nice merging of Texas Swing and N'awlins swamp boogie.
Great playing, you're way out in front pushing, they way you're supposed
to be for that style.


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On 11/15/11 8:25 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 15, 1:06 am, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>
>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>
>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
>> high quality.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>>
>> --
>
> Tasty. Now comes the hard part: exposure. The material and execution
> of this video has plenty of staying power to make it a long ways up
> the charts. Da Kids will love it. My 17-year old loves it...and I do.
> So... who is the dude with the goofy hat?
>

The CD will be out around Thanksgiving and on iTunes the first part of
Dec.

The hat's not goofy, the guy is. :-)


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On 11/15/11 9:02 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>
>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>
>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
>> high quality.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>>
>>
>
> I did not laugh, but will if you indicate it was really you in the red
> dress or the dude'ette. ;~)


"dude'ette" brilliant.
We called him "Bieber" during the shoot.


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On 11/15/11 10:53 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 8:16 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.
>
> A trip to the attic to find and check my copy (comp) of the video (on
> VHS) ... it was released in 1994, 17 farking years ago (which explains
> the cheesy once state of the art).
>
> Jesuseaux ... I woulda sworn it was only five or six years ago.
>

That explains my estimate of mid '80s, since country is generally a
decade behind pop in terms of style/fashion.


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On 11/15/11 1:37 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> The
> producer/engineer left the drums sounding pretty small but it isn't
> easy when they have to leave so much space for a piano.

Don't get me started. :-(
There is room. Listen to a Bruce Hornsby record.

Thanks for the good words.


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What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
spend time on, in my experience.

I'm a keyboard player by the way. Pretty active for my (advanced) age
too. I've been in a 9 piece cover band for about 16 years now. Until
this year we regularly worked more than 100 gigs per year ;not bad for
"part-time". Things have slacked off considerably, but we'll probably
have totaled seventy or eighty by year's end.

I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
all take care, musicians or not.

On 11/15/11 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
> lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
> spend time on, in my experience.
>
> I'm a keyboard player by the way. Pretty active for my (advanced) age
> too. I've been in a 9 piece cover band for about 16 years now. Until
> this year we regularly worked more than 100 gigs per year ;not bad for
> "part-time". Things have slacked off considerably, but we'll probably
> have totaled seventy or eighty by year's end.
>
> I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
> someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
> my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
> all take care, musicians or not.

Seems like this comes up every time I cross post. :-)
Lots of musiods in here, yes. I think it's a natural thing for any
artists: musician, actor, painter, etc., to be into another creative art
form... woodworking.

I've done some session work with Charles Judge who plays keyboards for
Faith Hill and he is also a very talented painter.


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On 11/15/2011 3:54 PM, basilisk wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:01:07 -0500, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
>> lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
>> spend time on, in my experience.
>>
> Not me, but I did make a wooden bucket that I could carry my tunes in.
>
> basilisk
If you can make a model that holds a sense of rhythm you could sell them
as a matched pair. I've met any number of potential customers in my
lifetime, some of whom claim to be singers.

On 11/15/11 5:11 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:16:25 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>>
>>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>>
>>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
>>> high quality.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>
> Yum! Mindy be hot, and her voice is great. Me like!
>

Her dad is trying to get me to be the drummer/road manager if and when
she goes on the road. If think part of his motivation is he knows I will
keep the guys away from his daughter. :-)


>
>> Good video and the music, and the mix, is very well done, like the B3
>> patch on the keyboard lead ... the lyrics are indeed a bit angst ridden,
>> but the melody is excellent. Drums sound real good, but then your drums
>> always do.
>
> Yeah, he does well on drums. That's a fact.
>

thank you.


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Greg Guarino wrote:
> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
> lousy with 'em.

Yes, I'm one of the lousy ones. I could play songs you would recognize
on at least 4 different instruments from 3 different instrument
families. On guitar, I took the time to learn to play a few things well.
I played in a few open-mic nights--never for pay like you. I used to
walk on a trail through the woods (next to where I lived) and play and
sing some old country blues. A gal overheard me once and complimented
me, and I made a date with her on the spot. She chickened out though
before the eagle flew (on Friday) though... I still sing something
everyday I think, just for the halibut.

With regard to your generalization, I think "we" are drawn towards
technical things--things with moving parts, etc., and some of us are
probably creative and/or artistic.

Bill


Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
> spend time on, in my experience.
>
> I'm a keyboard player by the way. Pretty active for my (advanced) age
> too. I've been in a 9 piece cover band for about 16 years now. Until
> this year we regularly worked more than 100 gigs per year ;not bad for
> "part-time". Things have slacked off considerably, but we'll probably
> have totaled seventy or eighty by year's end.
>
> I was mentioning my newly-rediscovered interest in woodworking to
> someone the other day. She was quite surprised to hear that I would put
> my fingers in close proximity to rapidly-spinning sharp objects. Let's
> all take care, musicians or not.

On 11/15/11 6:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 12:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/15/11 9:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>>>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>>>
>>>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video
>>>> and
>>>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>>>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>>>
>>>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is
>>>> very
>>>> high quality.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did not laugh, but will if you indicate it was really you in the red
>>> dress or the dude'ette. ;~)
>>
>>
>> "dude'ette" brilliant.
>> We called him "Bieber" during the shoot.
>>
>>
>
> Well he does like to dress in women's clothing too. I'm confused.....

Now, I'm confused. :-)


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On 11/15/11 9:58 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Nice job!
>
> All musicians knew their parts, as far as "controlling themselves"
> (presence) went.
>
> Good tune, I liked it, and well performed. Video was professional
> quality too.
>
> Percussion was nothing too fancy and didn't show you off much. You must
> be less crazy than I figured , from that tune.
>

Most session work follows the KISS rule. My general rule is play half of
what I think I should play, then play less. That usually ends up
sounding good. I'd rather be told to play more and stretch out a bit
than, "could you back off a bit, you're too busy."

I've had some sessions where it was appropriate to show the "crazy
side." :-)


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On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively lousy
> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend time on,
> in my experience.

I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer than
I've been a woodworker.

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On 11/16/11 7:11 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Didn't see too much of you... you were in the background.

That's the way if should be. It's an artist video, not a band video.


> You sounded good though.
>

Thank you.


> The music was good, the song was good seems a little mature
> for a 17 year old's songwriting.
>

You'd be surprised what they go through these days.


> Was her voice enhanced? She has a very nice voice, nothing over the top,
> nice range... nicely done.
>

No, though it should've been in a spot or two (autotune). :-)
I don't see autotune as the evil that many people do. It's a tool, like
any other tool (woodworking metaphor). It can be abused: making a
mediocre singer sound good. Or it can be a tool used to fix little pitch
issues that weren't noticed during recording.

But no, besides a little reverb, that's her.


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On 11/16/11 9:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>> positively lousy
>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>> time on,
>> in my experience.
>
> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
> than I've been a woodworker.
>

But you've probably lost less money as a woodworker than a musician. :-)


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On 11/16/2011 10:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>> positively lousy
>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>> time on,
>> in my experience.
>
> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
> than I've been a woodworker.
>
A beginner then. :)

I'm only 5 years older, but I was in my first band by 1971. We'd
probably even done our first paying gig; $10 a man for one set at the
Kings Point Mental Institution. The guitarist's Dad drove us to the
place in his plumbing truck. We sat on the floor with our instruments
and amps in between the cubbyholes of elbows and tees. The big time, for
sure.

On 11/16/2011 11:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/16/11 9:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>>> positively lousy
>>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>>> time on,
>>> in my experience.
>>
>> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
>> than I've been a woodworker.
>>
>
> But you've probably lost less money as a woodworker than a musician. :-)
>
>
I don't think I've ever lost money as a musician. Never made a great
deal either, but always got paid.

On 11/17/2011 6:16 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 11/16/2011 11:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/16/11 9:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>>>> positively lousy
>>>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>>>> time on,
>>>> in my experience.
>>>
>>> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
>>> than I've been a woodworker.
>>>
>>
>> But you've probably lost less money as a woodworker than a musician. :-)
>>
>>
> I don't think I've ever lost money as a musician. Never made a great deal
> either, but always got paid.

It's possible that I've made enough money over the years playing gigs to
actually PAY for my drum set, but I doubt it. It's *always* been a casual
pastime for me and I've never tried to pursue it as a career. The band I'm
playing for now has been together since 2003 and we only play out about once a
month, and though we do like a good paying gig we never get particularly
concerned about it. We all have day jobs. :-)

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On 11/17/2011 8:59 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 6:16 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 11/16/2011 11:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 11/16/11 9:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>>>>> positively lousy
>>>>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>>>>> time on,
>>>>> in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
>>>> than I've been a woodworker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you've probably lost less money as a woodworker than a musician. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think I've ever lost money as a musician. Never made a great deal
>> either, but always got paid.
>
> It's possible that I've made enough money over the years playing gigs to
> actually PAY for my drum set, but I doubt it. It's *always* been a
> casual pastime for me and I've never tried to pursue it as a career. The
> band I'm playing for now has been together since 2003 and we only play
> out about once a month, and though we do like a good paying gig we never
> get particularly concerned about it. We all have day jobs. :-)
>
I'm in an odd in-between area. I've been in bands more or less
continuously since my teens; everyone involved always had other jobs. I
can remember flirting with the idea of becoming a professional musician,
but flirtation (mild flirtation at that) was as far as it went.

On the other hand I figure I've done upwards of 2000 gigs in my long and
undistinguished demi-career, at least three quarters of which came along
when I was well past the recommended Rock 'n' Roll freshness date. ;)

On 11/15/2011 7:23 PM, Bill wrote:
On guitar, I took the time to learn to play a few things well.
> I played in a few open-mic nights--never for pay like you. I used to
> walk on a trail through the woods (next to where I lived) and play and
> sing some old country blues. A gal overheard me once and complimented
> me, and I made a date with her on the spot. She chickened out though
> before the eagle flew (on Friday) though... I still sing something
> everyday I think, just for the halibut.
>
> With regard to your generalization, I think "we" are drawn towards
> technical things--things with moving parts, etc., and some of us are
> probably creative and/or artistic.
>
> Bill


I thought of a more interesting story. Not too many years ago I was
playing guitar, near a parking lot, outside my apartment a woman stopped
to tell me her apartment number and that her husband went to
work at 6:00. I guess she wanted a private concert and might have even
paid me, but I explained briefly that I didn't do that. Morality aside,
it seemed like a good way to get killed. So I passed up that chance at
a paying gig.

Bill

On 11/17/2011 9:49 AM, Stuart wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Nova<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I hate the key of E-flat when playing guitar.
>
> Yeh, well, any flat key is a pain.
>
Fretted instrument players have it easy. Learn a few movable chords and
the world is your oyster. Keyboard players need to construct a new
fingering universe for each new key.

Forty years of "Goldilocks" vocalists ("G is much too high ... but F is
too low. F Sharp is *just right*") has conferred Most Favored Nation
status on more and more keys as I have gotten older. I play songs in
every key, but not without the occasional withering glance in the
direction of the vocalist.

On 11/17/11 7:59 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 6:16 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 11/16/2011 11:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 11/16/11 9:57 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2011 2:01 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is
>>>>> positively lousy
>>>>> with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to spend
>>>>> time on,
>>>>> in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> I've been playing drums since 1971 (when I was 9 years old), far longer
>>>> than I've been a woodworker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you've probably lost less money as a woodworker than a musician. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think I've ever lost money as a musician. Never made a great deal
>> either, but always got paid.
>
> It's possible that I've made enough money over the years playing gigs to
> actually PAY for my drum set, but I doubt it. It's *always* been a
> casual pastime for me and I've never tried to pursue it as a career. The
> band I'm playing for now has been together since 2003 and we only play
> out about once a month, and though we do like a good paying gig we never
> get particularly concerned about it. We all have day jobs. :-)
>

Honestly, I just picked one and went with it. It's funny both ways...
"you've probably lost less money as a musician than a woodworker."

Funny, though.... the way Steve talks about it is why we all got into
it. "It's so fun, I should do this for a living." Once you are trying to
do it for a living, it get stressful, fast, and sometimes you think,
"Wait, why am I doing this, again?" :-)


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On 11/17/2011 12:27 PM, Casper wrote:
>> My wife got me a bass kit from Grizzly awhile back that will test my
>> primitive finishing skills, for once I'm researching first and starting
>> second. Rebuilding a Fender bass I found at a flea market was also fun in
>> large part because woodworking gave me the confidence to tear the instrument
>> down to the bone and rebuild it despite never having done that kind of thing
>> before.
>
> I've done some minor repair work but no building or rebuilding. I've
> toyed with the idea, especially since I've thought about trying the
> bass guitar. Guess I'll have to poke around the local flea market.
>
>> As for CDs I've designing a new set of shelves that will go right
>> to the ceiling and waste less space between shelves, it's the only way to
>> get the stacks of CDs that are all over the house off various pieces of
>> furniture and onto the wall where we can find them when we want them.
>
> Most of mine are in a giant metal rack I picked up a few years ago.
> Run-over is in milk crates, waiting to be cataloged. I use a program
> to try and avoid re-buying the same CD, which has happened.
>
>> The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is starting to look more
>> attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of wall space.
>> DGDevin
>
> I'm already in the process of doing that and glad of it. Much easier
> to listen to all around the house. Protects the CD too, from being
> handled too much. I already decided this year is the last year I'm
> going to "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
> myself to one hard drive and anything new going in requires something
> going out. With over 2k in albums, there are too many I don't listen
> too, at least often enough.
>
> ;)
> `Casper

It has occurred to me that CDs might be somewhat "obsolete" in less than
10 years. Personally, I very infrequently go back to a CD once I've
ripped it to my computer, and suspect that most of the publishers would
prefer to just sell a file for the same money. I was searching for an
artifact at the local Goodwill a few days ago and noticed several
display cases for CDs. I'm not sure I wouldn't mind reclaiming the
space that my CDs are "wasting" either. Might as well store them in the
attic or something...

Bill

On 11/17/11 1:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 10:27 AM, Casper wrote:
>> I already decided this year is the last year I'm going to
> > "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>> myself to one hard drive...
>
> That's not much of a limit. You can pick up a 2 terabyte drive for under
> $120.00.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321557269&sr=8-3
>
>
> That one drive will easily hold 400,000 songs. If you listened an hour a
> day every day, it would take you over 50 years to hear each song just
> one time.

How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.

When I put songs on my computer or mp3 players, I don't compress them
anywhere near what they do on iTunes. Most mp3's are compressed from a
45mb file down to 3-6mb. My mp3's are generally up around 11-15mb.


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On 11/17/11 6:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 3:53 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> My numbers were based on an average 5MB file size. It's a rare person
> who can truly discern a material difference between a 12MB mp3 and the
> same one compressed to 5MB.

I beg to differ. Not trying to argue...... I'm sure the average listener
isn't going notice a 5mb mp3 just from casually listening, like me. But
if you were to play 10 seconds from each for comparison, I bet 4 of 5
would hear the difference.

My listening experience is certainly far from average. I make part of my
living by having to learn songs and figure out the drummer's part. It's
frustrating to get but bunch of 3.5mb songs because the high end is
always the first and most compressed part. Sometimes I can't tell if the
drummer was playing his hi-hats, ride cymbal, or crash cymbal.


> Nevertheless, if your mp3s average 12MB,
> you'd still get nearly 170,000 of them on a single 2TB drive.
>

I was honestly asking. Once it gets above megabytes, my brain cramps
up. :-)
What I would do with a 2TB drive is back up my CD's as disc images or at
least copy the songs over as aif/wav's in their entity. If iTunes
offered the full song file as a download, I might do it. It certainly
wouldn't take all that long on broadband. I've gotten plenty of audio
files like that for session work.


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On 11/17/11 7:34 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 17, 8:00 pm, "DGDevin"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "-MIKE-" wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>>
>> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or in the
>> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power tools and
>> so on. On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent speaker
>> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
>> anywhere else. If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
>> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that would
>> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of backups if
>> I was getting rid of the CDs).
>
> This is a worthwhile read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm

"I listened for differences between the original CD and the iTunes
rendition. Hearing no difference is perfection, and I got that at 128kbs
variable bit rate."

He's either is out of his mind or like many former audio professionals,
has lost his high end hearing.


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On 11/17/11 8:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 7:53 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/17/11 7:34 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Nov 17, 8:00 pm, "DGDevin"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "-MIKE-" wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>>>>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>>>>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>>>>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or
>>>> in the
>>>> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power
>>>> tools and
>>>> so on. On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent
>>>> speaker
>>>> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
>>>> anywhere else. If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
>>>> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that
>>>> would
>>>> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of
>>>> backups if
>>>> I was getting rid of the CDs).
>>>
>>> This is a worthwhile read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm
>>
>> "I listened for differences between the original CD and the iTunes
>> rendition. Hearing no difference is perfection, and I got that at 128kbs
>> variable bit rate."
>>
>> He's either is out of his mind or like many former audio professionals,
>> has lost his high end hearing.
>
> I disagree ... and totally agree with the following quote:
>
> "Beware that many of the defects many people blame on data compression
> are in the CDs they bought in the first place. "
>
> Open up a modern CD, with content mixed for radio, which is the usual
> mix format compression, and look at the overall waveform ... most often
> it will resemble a 2 x 4. (Try a Ricky Martin CD if you want to see what
> overuse of compression really looks like ... and sounds like as a result
> ... IOW, more cowbell, please!) :)
>
> I'm indeed a "former audio professional who has lost his high end
> hearing" (the very reason I quit selling my services as an audio
> engineer about ten years ago), but with the Nyquist filter required in a
> 44.1hz sampling rate for CD digital recording, the Nyquist maximum
> frequency is 22050 Hz (with basically no power at frequencies above that).
>
> This is unarguably far less than what you will hear on an analog
> recording, that may have third harmomic content well above 50Kz
> ...whether you can hear it or not, that content that is above your
> ability to hear will still "color" the sound of that which you can hear.
>
> IOW, it ain't there on the 44.1 Khz CD ... and anything else is
> imagination. :)
>
> That said the physiology of human hearing is an amazing thing. As
> indicated above, a trained ear will actually add in the missing
> frequencies that his ear can't actually hear due to a recognition of
> third order harmonics which color the sound; and, conversely, the
> absence of same in a CD recording, will also be very apparent to that
> trained ear ... which is the main reason why some of these older than
> Methuselah audio engineers, like Bruce Swedien, can work well past their
> hearing prime, and what any hearing tests performed on them would indicate.
>

I will take a step back on my statement. Most songs are now mastered 3
times. Once for CD, once for radio and again for mp3s. The mp3's that
are mastered by the producers are pretty exceptional. I can still hear a
difference with the 128 mp3's. The 320 ones are pretty darn close.

Most of what I'm getting from artists for learning their set lists, are
done by them or their management on their own laptop iTunes at a
horrible rate, like 128. And they all sound terrible.

Karl, you're right about the "brick wall" compression. Sounds awful.


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On 11/17/11 10:18 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 17, 8:53 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/17/11 7:34 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 17, 8:00 pm, "DGDevin"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "-MIKE-" wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>>>>> How many if you store the wav/aiff files? That's why I like CD's... I
>>>>> call them uncompressed backups. I still have yet to buy a song from
>>>>> iTunes, because they are too stinking compressed.
>>
>>>> I don't mind relatively compressed MP3s for listening in the car or in the
>>>> garage, hi-fi isn't necessary there what with road noise and power tools and
>>>> so on. On the home stereo is another matter, I even have a decent speaker
>>>> setup on my computer since I probably listen to more music there than
>>>> anywhere else. If I was going to put all my music on hard drives as a
>>>> replacement for CDs I'd insist on a lossless format even though that would
>>>> require more drives to hold everything (and I'd want a couple of backups if
>>>> I was getting rid of the CDs).
>>
>>> This is a worthwhile read:http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/itunes.htm
>>
>> "I listened for differences between the original CD and the iTunes
>> rendition. Hearing no difference is perfection, and I got that at 128kbs
>> variable bit rate."
>>
>> He's either is out of his mind or like many former audio professionals,
>> has lost his high end hearing.
>>
>
> 128kbs, dithered properly and depending on instrument(s) played, can
> indeed be impossible to tell, Mr. Golden Ears. (Does this need a
> smiley?)

lol. I'm not imagining it. I hear an mp3 at 128 and I can't tell what
cymbals are what. The whole top end is mush. I ask for the original or
something at 320 and everything is clear and distinct.

(ps: beer summit tomorrow eve on google+)


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On 11/17/2011 2:35 PM, Stuart wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Greg Guarino<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fretted instrument players have it easy. Learn a few movable chords and
>> the world is your oyster.
>
> Thankfully, for people like me, yes :-)
>
> There are, of course, different ways of spelling most chords and one guy I
> know is very good at that sort of thing.

I play some guitar too. I don't play well, but I've learned a lot of
chord forms over the years.

>> Keyboard players need to construct a new fingering universe for each
>> new key.
>
> I have a huge admiration for keyboard players, especially organists who
> can play with two hands and feet as well, while conducting a choir with
> their head, face and eyebrows. I have enough issues trying to read one
> stave of music (+words)

No feet for me, thanks. I do play two keyboards in maybe half the songs
we do. Only get paid once, though. :(

>> Forty years of "Goldilocks" vocalists ("G is much too high ... but F is
>> too low. F Sharp is *just right*") has conferred Most Favored Nation
>> status on more and more keys as I have gotten older. I play songs in
>> every key, but not without the occasional withering glance in the
>> direction of the vocalist.
>
> Well, as a tenor "with low notes" who has had singing lessons from a very
> experienced teacher, you'd have no problem with me. I can sing a bass E
> (below the bottom line of the bass clef) and I have been known to hit a
> high C (middle of treble clef). Before I had lessons, my absolute top
> note, with a following wind<g>, was an F#

That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with singers.
How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who, according to our
bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers" (excluding 1, naturally).

On 11/18/11 8:13 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Then there is that story of the PAIR of matched AKG 414 XLS
> microphones which I missed. They walked out of that pawnshop for for
> 400...$ gasp...$ 400.00 the pair... mint.....

wow, someone's rear end must hurt, real bad. :-)


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On 11/18/11 8:24 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with singers.
> How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who, according to our
> bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers" (excluding 1, naturally).
>

How do you know when a chick lead singer is at your door?
She can't find the right key and doesn't know when to come it.


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On 11/18/11 1:03 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/18/11 8:13 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Then there is that story of the PAIR of matched AKG 414 XLS
>>> microphones which I missed. They walked out of that pawnshop for for
>>> 400...$ gasp...$ 400.00 the pair... mint.....
>>
>> wow, someone's rear end must hurt, real bad. :-)
>>
>
> Self inflicted for not getting them on time...or the pawnshop owner
> once he figured it out what they were worth?

The days of reaming a shop owner with his own ignorance of an
instrument's worth are over thanks to the interwebs.
Not that I'm complaining.


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On 11/18/2011 1:10 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/18/11 8:24 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with singers.
>> How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who, according to our
>> bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers" (excluding 1, naturally).
>>
>
> How do you know when a chick lead singer is at your door?
> She can't find the right key and doesn't know when to come it.
>
>
I've heard that joke, of course. But in my experience, those
disabilities do not seem to be gender-specific. :)

I think there's often a wide gulf between the way musicians and
non-musicians experience music. One of our singers makes a show of
counting off the measures of a drum break by holding up fingers, as if
any of us musicians could somehow misjudge an eight bar space. And
another routinely comes in on the beat of *Pi* after doing an
audience-participation turn in the song "New Orleans".

On 11/18/11 2:35 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> And
> another routinely comes in on the beat of *Pi*

Stolen.


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On 11/18/2011 2:35 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 11/18/2011 1:10 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/18/11 8:24 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> That's a nice range, but that's hardly the only "problem" with singers.
>>> How's your rhythm? We've got at least one singer who, according to our
>>> bass player, "only comes in on prime numbers" (excluding 1, naturally).
>>>
>>
>> How do you know when a chick lead singer is at your door?
>> She can't find the right key and doesn't know when to come it.
>>
>>
> I've heard that joke, of course. But in my experience, those disabilities do
> not seem to be gender-specific. :)
>
> I think there's often a wide gulf between the way musicians and non-musicians
> experience music. One of our singers makes a show of counting off the measures
> of a drum break by holding up fingers, as if any of us musicians could somehow
> misjudge an eight bar space. And another routinely comes in on the beat of *Pi*
> after doing an audience-participation turn in the song "New Orleans".

BWA HA HA! I think I've worked with that second singer!

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On 11/18/2011 4:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/18/11 2:35 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> And
>> another routinely comes in on the beat of *Pi*
>
> Stolen.

Ditto! :-)

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:01:07 -0500, Greg Guarino wrote:

> What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
> lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
> spend time on, in my experience.
>
Not me, but I did make a wooden bucket that I could carry my tunes in.

basilisk

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:51:10 -0800, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:09:40 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 15, 5:24 am, Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>    -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>>> > go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>>> > The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>>
>>> And this is me last Saturday being Santa Claus - no false beards here!
>>>
>>> http://www.witneytv.co.uk/
>>>
>>> I'm at that garden centre right through till Christmas, earning money for
>>> more tools!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart Winsor
>>>
>>> Only plain text for emailshttp://www.asciiribbon.org
>>
>>That's pretty cool, Stuart! Now I have a face and voice to overdub in
>>my mind when I read your posts. Hohohohoho
>
>ILLEGAL ENTRY! NO XMAS CRAP UNTIL --AFTER-- THANKSGIVING, DAMNIT!

A family had twin boys whose only resemblance to each other was their looks.
If one felt it was too hot, the other thought it was too cold. If one said the
TV was too loud, the other claimed the volume needed to be turned up. They
were opposite in every way. One was an eternal optimist, the other a
doom-and-gloom pessimist.

Just to see what would happen, on Christmas, their father loaded the
pessimist's room with every imaginable toy and game. The optimist's room he
loaded with horse manure.

That night, the father passed by the pessimist's room and found his son
sitting amid his new gifts crying bitterly.

"Why are you crying?" the father asked.

"Because my friends will be jealous. I'll have to read all these instructions
before I can do anything with this stuff. I'll constantly need batteries, and
my toys will eventually get broken," answered the pessimist twin.

Passing the optimist twin's room, the father found his son dancing for joy in
the pile of manure.

"What are you so happy about?" the father asked.

The optimist twin replied, "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!"

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:27:01 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

>
>
>"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "Casper" wrote The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is
>> starting to look more attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of
>> wall space.
>What is this "wall space" you speak of? ;-)

I believe it's next to the "floor space", wherever that disappeared to
eons ago.

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:01:07 -0500, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
>lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
>spend time on, in my experience.

Ex musician, future woodworker lurking here.

Lots of instruments are wood and the construction details are critical
to the sound.

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"Casper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I've done some minor repair work but no building or rebuilding. I've
> toyed with the idea, especially since I've thought about trying the
> bass guitar. Guess I'll have to poke around the local flea market.

This instrument was covered with stickers from bands I'd never heard of, one
of the strap buttons had been ripped out, the pickup was adjusted into some
weird shape and it was filthy. But I figured for a hundreds bucks it was a
reasonable bet, it's tough to kill a Fender. I ended up putting in a new
wiring harness, new pickup, new pots and jack and so on in addition to
scraping off the stickers and general grunge. I also did my own setup and
to my surprise it came out just fine. So all told I have about two hundred
bucks into the instrument, new retail price a little under six hundred, and
it was educational as well.

> Most of mine are in a giant metal rack I picked up a few years ago.
> Run-over is in milk crates, waiting to be cataloged. I use a program
> to try and avoid re-buying the same CD, which has happened.

I've had the same problem, either that I don't know whether I have the old
version or the expanded edition with bonus tracks. I use CD database
software called Audiolist Plus on my Palm Pilot, that's stopped me buying
duplicates.

> I'm already in the process of doing that and glad of it. Much easier
> to listen to all around the house. Protects the CD too, from being
> handled too much. I already decided this year is the last year I'm
> going to "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
> myself to one hard drive and anything new going in requires something
> going out. With over 2k in albums, there are too many I don't listen
> too, at least often enough.

I can't bring myself to get rid of albums except a few that I just couldn't
see myself listening to ever again. Once we put everything on hard drives,
drive space is so cheap (despite the recent jump caused by the flooding in
Thailand) that capacity isn't an issue. However, as you say, there is the
issue of keeping music that you never listen to.... A friend of mine uses a
slick system from a company called Sonos. He has speakers in every room,
and a remote control that looks like an iPod, he can call up whatever music
he wants from a music server and listen to it in whatever room he happens to
be in. I can see going with something like that, the old ritual of loading
shiny discs into a player is going away sooner or later.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:16:25 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
>> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>>
>> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
>> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
>> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>>
>> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
>> high quality.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE

Yum! Mindy be hot, and her voice is great. Me like!


>Good video and the music, and the mix, is very well done, like the B3
>patch on the keyboard lead ... the lyrics are indeed a bit angst ridden,
>but the melody is excellent. Drums sound real good, but then your drums
>always do.

Yeah, he does well on drums. That's a fact.


>At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.
>
>This one got heavy rotation on Nashville Network and Country Music
>channel way back when, and even got us a ton of festival gigs around the
>country, but the only guy in the video in the actual band is the
>singer/songwriter, the rest were hired actors for the shoot, because the
>record company didn't want to fly us in and pay scale. One of the
>reasons why I despise Nashville and their damned self-delusional "we
>know best" BS. (The only place we (the guys actually playing the music)
>got credits were on the album itself).
>
>There are requisite tits and ass shots (some cutie pies in bikinis in
>the video), but the actor playing air bass on _my_ bass line is so much
>fuglier than I am! :)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VEGCwwLi8

Good music, sir!

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:44:43 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/17/2011 12:27 PM, Casper wrote:
>>> My wife got me a bass kit from Grizzly awhile back that will test my
>>> primitive finishing skills, for once I'm researching first and starting
>>> second. Rebuilding a Fender bass I found at a flea market was also fun in
>>> large part because woodworking gave me the confidence to tear the instrument
>>> down to the bone and rebuild it despite never having done that kind of thing
>>> before.
>>
>> I've done some minor repair work but no building or rebuilding. I've
>> toyed with the idea, especially since I've thought about trying the
>> bass guitar. Guess I'll have to poke around the local flea market.
>>
>>> As for CDs I've designing a new set of shelves that will go right
>>> to the ceiling and waste less space between shelves, it's the only way to
>>> get the stacks of CDs that are all over the house off various pieces of
>>> furniture and onto the wall where we can find them when we want them.
>>
>> Most of mine are in a giant metal rack I picked up a few years ago.
>> Run-over is in milk crates, waiting to be cataloged. I use a program
>> to try and avoid re-buying the same CD, which has happened.
>>
>>> The idea of putting all our music onto hard drives is starting to look more
>>> attractive. between books and CDs we're about out of wall space.
>>> DGDevin
>>
>> I'm already in the process of doing that and glad of it. Much easier
>> to listen to all around the house. Protects the CD too, from being
>> handled too much. I already decided this year is the last year I'm
>> going to "increase" my library. Going forward I'm going to limit
>> myself to one hard drive and anything new going in requires something
>> going out. With over 2k in albums, there are too many I don't listen
>> too, at least often enough.
>>
>> ;)
>> `Casper
>
>It has occurred to me that CDs might be somewhat "obsolete" in less than
>10 years. Personally, I very infrequently go back to a CD once I've
>ripped it to my computer, and suspect that most of the publishers would
>prefer to just sell a file for the same money. I was searching for an
>artifact at the local Goodwill a few days ago and noticed several
>display cases for CDs. I'm not sure I wouldn't mind reclaiming the
>space that my CDs are "wasting" either. Might as well store them in the
>attic or something...

I'm not about to pay more for "bits" than the CD, or the same, for that
matter. I can always go back to the CD. I'm not stuck with the DRM crap,
either.

>What are there, 3 or 4 in this thread already? This group is positively
>>lousy with 'em. Musicians do tend to find other interesting things to
>>spend time on, in my experience.
>
>I've been playing guitar for a few years now. Mostly chords like
>G,C,D,E....(NO Fs though), and an occassional minor.
>
>As soon as I finish the wherry I'm going to build a lap steel out of
>cypress root.
>
>-Zz

I did build a pretty cool music machine last week though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo

-Zz

On 11/22/2011 4:23 PM, DGDevin wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> That said the physiology of human hearing is an amazing thing. As
>> indicated above, a trained ear will actually add in the missing
>> frequencies that his ear can't actually hear due to a recognition of
>> third order harmonics which color the sound; and, conversely, the
>> absence of same in a CD recording, will also be very apparent to that
>> trained ear ... which is the main reason why some of these older than
>> Methuselah audio engineers, like Bruce Swedien, can work well past
>> their hearing prime, and what any hearing tests performed on them
>> would indicate.
>
>
> I used to be an audiophile, but with extensive therapy I recovered. A
> big move where all the gee-whiz audio gear went into storage and stayed
> there for quite some time helped a lot. I'm thinking of putting some of
> that gear back into service, but not on the worshipping-at-the-alter
> scale. These days I'd rather buy power tools or maybe a new bass guitar
> or something like that as opposed to some gold-plated piece of hi-fi
> gear. But it's funny that I can still remember what certain recordings
> played through that kind of system sounded like, and I can hear how
> feeble most people's audio systems are these day ("home theatre" setups
> designed to make explosions and death rays sound good rather than
> reproduce music). I guess I'm not *completely* cured, maybe there are
> meetings I can attend to help me stay on the wagon....

Know the feeling. I used to experience that phenomenon back in the old
days when taking a tape master to a mastering facility to cut the disc
master for record production.

Most of those places were rectangular, low ceiling rooms, with standing
waves galore ... hell, they were factories ...and the sound was awful to
the point that, when monitoring the process, you often had to sit on
both hands to resist the temptation to make adjustments to get it to
sound like it did when mixing in the control room.

You really had to have the courage of your convictions, and the
confidence that comes with experience to keep from second guessing
yourself, and that it really did sound better than what you were then
hearing.

A hard thing then to do when many thousands of dollars was riding on the
outcome ... and doubly bad if the client insisted on being present.

They often left one of those sessions with tears in their eyes, looking
at me as if I was a total idiot, undoubtedly thinking of all the money
they had paid me that was now wasted. :)

Of course, the proof was in the pudding, and the outcome was always
satisfying in the end.

Digital mastering is a whole different ball game ... best left to a new
set of ears, in a different listening environment, with those ears
experienced in the genre for which they are mastering and, most
importantly, how the results obtained in that environment will
_transfer_ accurately to the greatest number of speakers systems upon
which the product will be played.

Too many bedroom wannabe's in that end of the business today, IMO.

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On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>
>

Good video and the music, and the mix, is very well done, like the B3
patch on the keyboard lead ... the lyrics are indeed a bit angst ridden,
but the melody is excellent. Drums sound real good, but then your drums
always do.

At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.

This one got heavy rotation on Nashville Network and Country Music
channel way back when, and even got us a ton of festival gigs around the
country, but the only guy in the video in the actual band is the
singer/songwriter, the rest were hired actors for the shoot, because the
record company didn't want to fly us in and pay scale. One of the
reasons why I despise Nashville and their damned self-delusional "we
know best" BS. (The only place we (the guys actually playing the music)
got credits were on the album itself).

There are requisite tits and ass shots (some cutie pies in bikinis in
the video), but the actor playing air bass on _my_ bass line is so much
fuglier than I am! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VEGCwwLi8

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On 11/15/2011 10:53 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/15/2011 8:16 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> At least they didn't hire actors to play you guys.
>
> A trip to the attic to find and check my copy (comp) of the video (on
> VHS) ... it was released in 1994, 17 farking years ago (which explains
> the cheesy once state of the art).
>
> Jesuseaux ... I woulda sworn it was only five or six years ago.
>

And I guess since you were not in the band playing, that really could'a
been you and Linda dancing at the beginning of the video. ;~)

Don't ya' just love the quantizing noise introduced with all the digital
audio stuff these days?

Ironically, my hearing tapers off about 12KHz and my kids about 18-22KHz and
they don't hear it. I don't get it, but some higher pitched instruments
sounds like a square wave with a fishing hook barb on the side of the square
wave edge.

Even CDs have a distinct distorted wave sound on the higher freqs. When I
look at the distortion algorithms for waveform reproduction applied to the
CD sampling frequency I can understand why. Again, the kids don't hear it!



"DGDevin" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I used to be an audiophile, but with extensive therapy I recovered. A big
move where all the gee-whiz audio gear went into storage and stayed there
for quite some time helped a lot. I'm thinking of putting some of that gear
back into service, but not on the worshipping-at-the-alter scale. These
days I'd rather buy power tools or maybe a new bass guitar or something like
that as opposed to some gold-plated piece of hi-fi gear. But it's funny
that I can still remember what certain recordings played through that kind
of system sounded like, and I can hear how feeble most people's audio
systems are these day ("home theatre" setups designed to make explosions and
death rays sound good rather than reproduce music). I guess I'm not
*completely* cured, maybe there are meetings I can attend to help me stay on
the wagon....

On 11/15/2011 12:06 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> This is a 17 year young singer/songwriter whose album I played on.
> She also asked me to play in her band in this video.
>
> So check me out in this teen-angst love-torn teenybopper music video and
> go ahead and laugh away when you see me on drums.
> The other old guy in the band is the producer of the album.
>
> My friend directed and shot the video which turned out great and is very
> high quality.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xFhjuvjDE
>
>

I did not laugh, but will if you indicate it was really you in the red
dress or the dude'ette. ;~)