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1352 -- capstan (Sometimes incorrectly called "capstan winch." If it's
vertical, technically it's a capstan.)
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Ed Huntress
E Z Peaces wrote:
>
... snip ...
>
> I wonder when Britain began to call national standards "imperial."
> That could help date the device, which might lead to information
> on what calibers they used at the time.
There were no British Emperors or Empresses until Victoria took on
the title of 'Empress of India'. I suspect this roughly dates the
use of 'Imperial'.
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Try the download section.
On Jul 10, 1:49=A0pm, Winston <[email protected]> wrote:
> Paul K. Dickman wrote:
> > "Winston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>Paul K. Dickman wrote:
>
> >>>1355 is an engraver's peg clamp. It is used to hold small (usually fla=
t)
> >>>pieces for engraving.
>
> >>http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=3DRET01229&Action=
=3DC...
>
> > Geez! The price has gone up.
> > When I bought mine, I complained about the $7.99 price tag.
>
> 25 smackers? Woof!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Peg-Clamp-Universal-Work-Holder-for-Engravers_W0Q...
Still too much:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peg-Clamp-Engraving-Holder-Jewelers-Tool-Jewelry-Hobby_=
W0QQitemZ140248314514QQcmdZViewItem?hash=3Ditem140248314514&_trksid=3Dp3911=
.m14.l1318
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On Jul 10, 4:20 am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
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1351- well, lets wsee what one can see...
Power goes in on the upper shaft, drives a wooden cam with roller
followers that looks like it moves a shuttle back-and-forth in the
bottom of the box, the mainshaft spins the pegs in the box, and also
drives a cam on the end of the mainshaft that operates a sliding-door
or cutter on the unobservable end of the box.
I'd guess its for measuring out consistent portions of grain or seed.
Dave
Paul K. Dickman wrote:
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>>Paul K. Dickman wrote:
>>
>>>1355 is an engraver's peg clamp. It is used to hold small (usually flat)
>>>pieces for engraving.
>>>
>>>Paul K. Dickman
>>
>>http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=21129
>>
>>--Winston
>
>
> Geez! The price has gone up.
> When I bought mine, I complained about the $7.99 price tag.
>
> Paul K. Dickman
25 smackers? Woof!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peg-Clamp-Universal-Work-Holder-for-Engravers_W0QQitemZ360068030126QQihZ023QQcategoryZ34083QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--Winston
I am a black powder guy.
We shoot balls that are undersized in case you neeed to get them out.
When loading the piece, the ball is set in a patch and rammed home. The
patch hols it in place.
If you need to get it out there is a rod with a cork screw looking gadget on
the end the screws in to the ball.
Doing this swells the ball and the clearance allows for that expansion and
still allows for removal.
There may be more to it but they also did not have the precision when it
came to producing duns back them.
When I first started I wanted to be as authentic as possible but I did not
have the patience to cast and trim/dress the finished balls.
It is a lot of work for a bruised shoulder and a cloud of smoke that burns
your eyes.
If you ever watch a black powder shooter, they usually fire then take a step
back and to one side to get clear the smoke so they can see.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I have read that one reason musket balls were loose was that
>> manufacturing lead balls was imprecise. The British 75-caliber musket
>> used a 71-caliber ball, like one of the holes in the gage. I wonder if
>> at one time the British military were buying balls corresponding to the
>> holes in the gage, and the gage was to spot-check them at the time of
>> purchase.
>
>
> At least four people have suggested it could be for sizing musket balls,
> but still I haven't been able to confirm this guess. There is a good bore
> size chart on Wikipedia, some of them are close to matching the hole
> sizes but others aren't:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_%28bore_diameter%29
>
>
> Rob
1351 Strange machine... Parts are robust, other parts flimsy and badly
designed. Whatever goes in the box must be soft and light or the machine
will destroy itself.
1352 Capstan. Was it moved? Or were the skylights installed after it was
no-longer used?
1353 Gauge... perhaps for rope? In keeping with the ship theme of the
previous pictures.
1356 12" long... really? The first is primarily a gauge, also used as a
hammer. The second is a hammer, marked as a convenience crude ruler.
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"Winston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paul K. Dickman wrote:
>> 1355 is an engraver's peg clamp. It is used to hold small (usually flat)
>> pieces for engraving.
>>
>> Paul K. Dickman
> http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=21129
>
> --Winston
Geez! The price has gone up.
When I bought mine, I complained about the $7.99 price tag.
Paul K. Dickman
"Alexander Thesoso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 1351 Strange machine... Parts are robust, other parts flimsy and badly
> designed. Whatever goes in the box must be soft and light or the machine
> will destroy itself.
It's a patent model, the full size machine would have metal blades attached
to the shaft in the box.
> 1352 Capstan. Was it moved? Or were the skylights installed after it
> was no-longer used?
Apparently it still can be used where it's located now.
>
> 1353 Gauge... perhaps for rope? In keeping with the ship theme of the
> previous pictures.
>
> 1356 12" long... really?
Good catch, I changed it to 14", I couldn't find my notes on this hammer and
just made a guess.
Rob
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> Rob
1351: How about cutting peat into particles? When dug up, peat was a
spongy, fibrous mass. It was hard to dry and bulky to ship.
1352: When I want to listen to sea shanties, I use a Walkman. Thanks
to modern technology, its capstan is just as powerful as the one pictured.
"Michael Koblic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 1351) Is this a model of a threshing machine? The rods in the compartment
> do the threshing. The second gear seems to operate a cam shaft which moves
> ?sieve under the compartment
This machine is not for processing any type of grain or plant material.
> 1353) A device to determine a correct size of old British coinage. The
> sizes would fit for a half-crown, two-shilling, one-shilling piece, a
> sixpence, three-pence, penny and a half-penny. Or a farthing...Presumably
> an undersize coin will pass through the opening and is rejected.
I thought that this might turn out to be the answer until I sent it to the
owner, and he replied:
"Only the half-farthing and the florin fitted the holes, all the others were
way too big (or small) to make any sense."
Rob
> 1351) Interesting thing. I think that it was for sorting grain,
> beans or perhaps gravel.
>
> Two vertical shafts. One rotates a multi-tined stirrer, and the
> other shakes something at the bottom -- which I think is a
> screen selected to allow smaller parts through and keep larger
> ones up top.
>
> It also seems to have two cams at the left-hand end, which
> operate something else to assist the sorting. I would like a
> view from that end to see what the cams do.
I don't have a shot from the left end of the brick machine, but the patent
explains that the cams operate two plungers which make the bricks.
This week's answer page can be seen here:
http://pzphotosans240c.blogspot.com/
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
>
> "Michael Koblic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 1351) Is this a model of a threshing machine? The rods in the
>> compartment do the threshing. The second gear seems to operate a cam
>> shaft which moves ?sieve under the compartment
>
>
> This machine is not for processing any type of grain or plant material.
How about coal? Users often screened coal because big lumps weren't
good for some uses. If the full-size machine had iron sides, the coal
company could break up coal by letting the blades knock it around until
it passed through a grill.
>
>
>> 1353) A device to determine a correct size of old British coinage. The
>> sizes would fit for a half-crown, two-shilling, one-shilling piece, a
>> sixpence, three-pence, penny and a half-penny. Or a
>> farthing...Presumably an undersize coin will pass through the opening
>> and is rejected.
>
>
> I thought that this might turn out to be the answer until I sent it to
> the owner, and he replied:
>
> "Only the half-farthing and the florin fitted the holes, all the others
> were way too big (or small) to make any sense."
>
>
How about lead balls for naval smoothbores? 1.35" would be a
half-pounder, and I think at one time cannons were as small as .69". In
a sea battle, it could be a big problem if balls jammed in bores as
cannons, muskets, and pistols were reloaded because the lead had
deformed as balls got knocked around in a storm. This gage could be to
check balls.
"E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> "Michael Koblic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> 1351) Is this a model of a threshing machine? The rods in the
>>> compartment do the threshing. The second gear seems to operate a cam
>>> shaft which moves ?sieve under the compartment
>>
>>
>> This machine is not for processing any type of grain or plant material.
>
> How about coal?
I've already posted the answer page, or I'd give another hint and see if
someone could figure it out. It's a brick machine for making bricks out of
clay.
> How about lead balls for naval smoothbores? 1.35" would be a
> half-pounder, and I think at one time cannons were as small as .69". In a
> sea battle, it could be a big problem if balls jammed in bores as cannons,
> muskets, and pistols were reloaded because the lead had deformed as balls
> got knocked around in a storm. This gage could be to check balls.
Sounds like a good possibility, I'll see what I can find on that.
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
>
> "E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> How about lead balls for naval smoothbores? 1.35" would be a
>> half-pounder, and I think at one time cannons were as small as .69".
>> In a sea battle, it could be a big problem if balls jammed in bores as
>> cannons, muskets, and pistols were reloaded because the lead had
>> deformed as balls got knocked around in a storm. This gage could be
>> to check balls.
>
>
> Sounds like a good possibility, I'll see what I can find on that.
>
>
>
> Rob
I guess it doesn't make sense that a ship would have had trouble with
deformed lead balls of so many sizes.
I have read that one reason musket balls were loose was that
manufacturing lead balls was imprecise. The British 75-caliber musket
used a 71-caliber ball, like one of the holes in the gage. I wonder if
at one time the British military were buying balls corresponding to the
holes in the gage, and the gage was to spot-check them at the time of
purchase.
> I have read that one reason musket balls were loose was that
> manufacturing lead balls was imprecise. The British 75-caliber musket
> used a 71-caliber ball, like one of the holes in the gage. I wonder if at
> one time the British military were buying balls corresponding to the holes
> in the gage, and the gage was to spot-check them at the time of purchase.
At least four people have suggested it could be for sizing musket balls, but
still I haven't been able to confirm this guess. There is a good bore size
chart on Wikipedia, some of them are close to matching the hole sizes but
others aren't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_%28bore_diameter%29
Rob
Jay R wrote:
> I am a black powder guy.
>
> We shoot balls that are undersized in case you neeed to get them out.
>
> When loading the piece, the ball is set in a patch and rammed home. The
> patch hols it in place.
>
> If you need to get it out there is a rod with a cork screw looking gadget on
> the end the screws in to the ball.
>
> Doing this swells the ball and the clearance allows for that expansion and
> still allows for removal.
>
> There may be more to it but they also did not have the precision when it
> came to producing duns back them.
>
> When I first started I wanted to be as authentic as possible but I did not
> have the patience to cast and trim/dress the finished balls.
>
> It is a lot of work for a bruised shoulder and a cloud of smoke that burns
> your eyes.
>
> If you ever watch a black powder shooter, they usually fire then take a step
> back and to one side to get clear the smoke so they can see.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> I have read that one reason musket balls were loose was that
>>> manufacturing lead balls was imprecise. The British 75-caliber musket
>>> used a 71-caliber ball, like one of the holes in the gage. I wonder if
>>> at one time the British military were buying balls corresponding to the
>>> holes in the gage, and the gage was to spot-check them at the time of
>>> purchase.
>>
>> At least four people have suggested it could be for sizing musket balls,
>> but still I haven't been able to confirm this guess. There is a good bore
>> size chart on Wikipedia, some of them are close to matching the hole
>> sizes but others aren't:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_%28bore_diameter%29
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
I see the largest bores were called punt guns because they were mounted
on boats. Such guns were important in New England at the time of the
Pilgrims. A coastal fur trader with a crew of eight might be dealing
with dozens of Indians who were excellent sailors with fast craft
similar to what Vikings once made. A big-bore weapon that could fire
shot or single balls could prevent a hostile takeover.
Jay says musket balls are undersized. I think military muskets were
designed for an especially loose fit so fouled barrels could be loaded
in battle. I wonder if some civilian muskets were designed for closer
fits. For example, in 1621, Edward Winslow impressed Indians by
shooting a crow at 80 paces, which sounds more accurate than a military
musket.
I wonder when Britain began to call national standards "imperial." That
could help date the device, which might lead to information on what
calibers they used at the time.
CBFalconer wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
> ... snip ...
>> I wonder when Britain began to call national standards "imperial."
>> That could help date the device, which might lead to information
>> on what calibers they used at the time.
>
> There were no British Emperors or Empresses until Victoria took on
> the title of 'Empress of India'. I suspect this roughly dates the
> use of 'Imperial'.
>
She took the title Empress of India in 1876, after her daughter married
an emperor.
No monarch has ever taken the title Emperor of the British Empire, but
Henry VIII called himself an emperor to assert religious authority.
In 1824, Parliament established various imperial measures, including the
imperial gallon.
I imagine Britain had reason to establish imperial standards for bullets
long before that. They depended on colonial militia in America, and
militia bullets may have come from many sources.
In article <[email protected]>, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
1351 - According to the brass placard, this is a "William A. ....
Machine." What it does, beyond have an eccentric that moves a strap
back and forth and another that makes a pin go up and down and a bunch
of pegs that spin in a box, I have no idea.
1352 - Capstan, probably used to raise the anchor and maybe for other
uses.
1353 - Maybe a standard for measuring bullets or balls for guns.
1354 - It's a cast thingamabober; my first thought is a cleat to tie a
rope off on, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious sufficiently strong
mount for that use.
1355 - Watchmaker's and/or Carver's pin vice; metal pins get inserted
into whatever of the holes are convenient for the object being worked
on, and then the thumbscrew tightened to clamp around it. Thus, this is
essentially a way of attaching a handle to some otherwise hard to
manipulate item. (It appears the handle part could also be removable,
probably to allow the vice part to be mounted solidly, such as by
clamping it in a machinist's vice or attaching it to a workbench.)
1356 - Bore gauge. What you'd use it to gauge is not entirely clear;
it's too small diameter for engine cylinders, so maybe pipe or tube
inside diameters? Maybe wood thicknesses and dowel hole sizes?
The second appears to be a tack or similar hammer with a rough scale
engraved on the head; perhaps for upholsterers to space tacks
appropriately.
Now to read other ideas...
--
Andrew Erickson
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
1351) Is this a model of a threshing machine? The rods in the compartment do
the threshing. The second gear seems to operate a cam shaft which moves
?sieve under the compartment
1352) Capstan. 'Nuff said.
1353) A device to determine a correct size of old British coinage. The sizes
would fit for a half-crown, two-shilling, one-shilling piece, a sixpence,
three-pence, penny and a half-penny. Or a farthing...Presumably an undersize
coin will pass through the opening and is rejected.
1355) Jewellers hand vise (pin vise)
1356) Something to do with sizing rings?
--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC
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Rob H. wrote:
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First Item I reckon is a hand cranked washing machine .
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"I'm not young enough to know everything."
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On 2008-07-10, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
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O.K. I've got the filters set so they don't block your original
announcement now. I think that it was the gmail address which was doing
it.
Anyway -- posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as usual.
1351) Interesting thing. I think that it was for sorting grain,
beans or perhaps gravel.
Two vertical shafts. One rotates a multi-tined stirrer, and the
other shakes something at the bottom -- which I think is a
screen selected to allow smaller parts through and keep larger
ones up top.
It also seems to have two cams at the left-hand end, which
operate something else to assist the sorting. I would like a
view from that end to see what the cams do.
Input power is through the gear on the right-hand end, and there
seems to be other things missing which carry the power source.
1352) Very obviously a capstan -- used for pulling on long ropes or
chains for either raising the anchor or for pulling up to a dock
under certain conditions. Could also be used for raising sail
under really awkward conditions.
Sailors stick square-ended wooden shafts into the square holes
around the top (called "pigeon holes") and walk around it (often
two to a shaft for the heavier loads). What is not clear from
the photos is that it has a ratchet assembly at the bottom to
keep it from moving backwards at a sudden increase of load and
tossing the sailors around the deck.
The line (or chain) is wrapped a few turns around the waist and
then more sailors pull on it (tailing) to keep it tight around
the barrel of the capstan.
And they were more often used on sailing ships such as the one
shown in the second photo, because for steam powered ships there
was the ability to take power from the engines for this task.
There was another style in which the barrel was horizontal, and
the sailors would stick the bars in the pigeon holes from on top
of a platform and then jump over the capstan letting their
weight turn it.
1353) Hmm ... for measuring something. It could be used for
measuring the end of a cut-off rope, or for measuring fairly
large sized bolts. It covers too wide a range to be likely to
be used for sizing eggs.
1354) Hmm ... a bit small to be what it first looks like (before
seeing the underside) -- a cleat for attaching and tying off a
rope.
So -- looking at the top which appears to have deformed from
many hammer blows, I think that it is intended to drive
something into place or to flatten something.
1355) Unless you have reversed the photo for artistic purposes, the
thumbscrew appears to have a left-hand thread. This suggests
that the thumbscrew is turned to draw the moving part guided by
the two smooth rods upwards towards the screw.
I think that it is intended to squeeze some form of foodstuff
through the holes sort of like a garlic press or a potato ricer.
Given the size, perhaps it is a garlic press.
1356) Hmm ... the first one appears to be used to measure hole
diameters or spacings between two surfaces.
The second one could perhaps be used for the latter, but not the
former given the expanded diameter faces on each end.
I'm not sure why they are formatted as hammers, unless they are
used to tap something into position and measure that position
with the same tool, leaving another tool to lock them in place.
Now off to see what others have guessed.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2008-07-11, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1351) Interesting thing. I think that it was for sorting grain,
>> beans or perhaps gravel.
>>
>> Two vertical shafts. One rotates a multi-tined stirrer, and the
>> other shakes something at the bottom -- which I think is a
>> screen selected to allow smaller parts through and keep larger
>> ones up top.
>>
>> It also seems to have two cams at the left-hand end, which
>> operate something else to assist the sorting. I would like a
>> view from that end to see what the cams do.
>
>
> I don't have a shot from the left end of the brick machine, but the patent
> explains that the cams operate two plungers which make the bricks.
O.K.
> This week's answer page can be seen here:
>
> http://pzphotosans240c.blogspot.com/
I note that the illustration showing how it is used shows that
this one can't be used with two men on a given handle as was common with
heavy loads. And also, these are particularly long, leading to greater
leverage for heavy loads, but to faster exhaustion for the sailors when
doing a long pull with a light load (such as when pulling up to the
anchor). The exhaustion would come from the greater distance needed to
go around all of those obstructions while pulling at a fast pace.
Typically, there were different shanties for the pulling up to
the anchor and actually lifting the anchor. The switch over was
typically announced with the cry "Up and down" indicating a vertical
anchor line.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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