With all the hub-bub over in ABPW over the illegal use of copyrighted
material I just can't ignore it anymore.
Theft is theft.
You can justify it any way you want however, its still stealing copyrighted
material.
Would you tell your children that it was OK to steal?
Using that material puts the user in the same class as the people that don't
tell the waitress she gave them too much in change, switch tags at the
store, buy an item and use it once (by design) and then return it, waste
time at their employer's expense, cheat on their taxes and so on.
If your character is so easily purchased, then by all means, steal away.
The rest of society doesn't mind paying higher prices to support your
weakness.
For those interested:
http://store.yahoo.com/backissuesstore/shopnotes.html
$10.00 gets you any issue in stock.
Dave
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TeamCasa wrote:
> Theft is theft.
> You can justify it any way you want however, its still stealing copyrighted
> material.
I make my living off intellectual property that can be easily copied, so
I am actually quite sympathetic to your point of view. And, indeed,
copyright violation is a crime, of sorts. But "theft", ah well now, that
is a stretch.
> Would you tell your children that it was OK to steal?
Oh god, someone always gotta bring the children into it.
> Using that material puts the user in the same class as the people that don't
> tell the waitress she gave them too much in change,
The waitress is now short money. In most cases, she will have to make up
for that money in her pocket. So, the waitress has less money then she
did. Copyright violation deprives the copyright holder the *potential*
to profit, but does not take money out of their pocket.
> switch tags at the
> store,
Store is made less money then it would have; a little more like
copyright violation, but the fact the store no longer has the item to
sell makes a big difference. When you copy something, you do not deprive
them of the potential to sell it to someone else, only the potential to
sell it to you. If you give a copy, it is closer to real theft. If you
sell a copy, now you are much closer to real theft since clearly the
buyer was willing to pay (some amount). The penalties are much higher as
well.
> buy an item and use it once (by design) and then return it, waste
> time at their employer's expense, cheat on their taxes and so on.
Again, all of these are not the same as copyright violation. Again, when
you copy, the original holder still has the goods, they are only denied
potential revenue; nothing has been taken from them. The law
differentiates between the two acts for very good reasons.
Again, I don't approve of the action, but do get a little tired of the
hype of "theft is theft" etc.
> For those interested:
> http://store.yahoo.com/backissuesstore/shopnotes.html
>
> $10.00 gets you any issue in stock.
On a completely different topic, here is the irritating thing: Not only
is it *cheaper* to copy a PDF, but is sure is more convient. Why do
these guys always have to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and
screaming? I would be so much more inclined to buy if I could a) buy
article by article and more importantly b) buy on-line and have
electronic delivery.
PK
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:57:28 -0500, Paul Kierstead
<[email protected]> wrote:
>TeamCasa wrote:
>> Would you tell your children that it was OK to steal?
>
>Oh god, someone always gotta bring the children into it.
Isn't that a corrollary to Godwin's Law?
For those who don't know what Godwin's Law is:
http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/g/GodwinsLaw.html
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LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:57:28 -0500, Paul Kierstead
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On a completely different topic, here is the irritating thing: Not only
>is it *cheaper* to copy a PDF, but is sure is more convient. Why do
>these guys always have to be dragged out of the dark ages kicking and
>screaming? I would be so much more inclined to buy if I could a) buy
>article by article and more importantly b) buy on-line and have
>electronic delivery.
In a past life the company I worked for prepared textbooks for
hypertext delivery. (If you've ever seen the Dietel & Dietel "how to
program" CDs you've seen my work (at least on the early ones)). At
that time (6-12 years ago) it cost on the order of $5K - 10K to
prepare the text for a book like that. I would guess that I could make
a simple password protected and encrypted version of a magazine with
full linking and indexing for under $2K now. I think a lot of
magazines are missing the boat by not taking advantage of that for
their back issues. How about a fully linked version of Fine
Woodworking? Click on "Tage Frid" and get a short bio and a full
bibliography with links to all his work in FWW. XML makes this sort of
thing simple. At this point *PDF* is the dark ages.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Fred" <[email protected]> writes:
>If you liked it enough to steal it (whether it be a plan, a
> magazine, an article, or a software program that you "borrowed"), then you
> would probably like it enough that you would want to have more articles,
> improved software, more books, new plans, new songs, etc.
Yeah.
They like something so much they steal it.
So what do they do with bad stuff - they give them money?
Strange logic. It strives to drive good stuff away.
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You are 100% right. But there is another reason not to steal copyrighted
material, and I have to admit, it is a very selfish one. What would that
reason be? If you liked it enough to steal it (whether it be a plan, a
magazine, an article, or a software program that you "borrowed"), then you
would probably like it enough that you would want to have more articles,
improved software, more books, new plans, new songs, etc. But if there is
insufficient profit in this venture, it will not continue, or it will not
continue in a quality manner. So who loses? We all do.
Integrity - it's doing the right thing even when nobody is looking.
Regards,
Fred
Port Huron, Michigan
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> With all the hub-bub over in ABPW over the illegal use of copyrighted
> material I just can't ignore it anymore.
>
> Theft is theft.
> You can justify it any way you want however, its still stealing
> copyrighted material.
> Would you tell your children that it was OK to steal?
> Using that material puts the user in the same class as the people that
> don't tell the waitress she gave them too much in change, switch tags at
> the store, buy an item and use it once (by design) and then return it,
> waste time at their employer's expense, cheat on their taxes and so on.
>
> If your character is so easily purchased, then by all means, steal away.
> The rest of society doesn't mind paying higher prices to support your
> weakness.
>
> For those interested:
> http://store.yahoo.com/backissuesstore/shopnotes.html
>
> $10.00 gets you any issue in stock.
>
> Dave
>
>
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