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05/02/2004 10:45 AM

Evolution of a hero

From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
it's heroes these days.

BringEm,
Rushmore

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/


This topic has 86 replies

MP

Mike Patterson

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

06/02/2004 3:06 PM

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:51:55 +0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Mark and Kim Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
>>>ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
>>>a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
>>>it's heroes these days.
>>>
>>>BringEm,
>>>Rushmore
>>>
>>>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/
>>>
>>
>>Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?
>>
>
>Written by a blockhead, mebbid? <grin>

LOL, Makes it easy when someone jumps up and down and screams "PLONK
ME!! PLONK ME!!"


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

Pp

Philski

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

05/02/2004 2:35 PM

He's setting hook......

Philski

Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
> >ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
> >a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
> >it's heroes these days.
> >
> >BringEm,
> >Rushmore
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/
> >
>
> Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

06/02/2004 12:37 AM

Yeh yeh obviously this response was by vet , I wonder which war she avoided
. Prolly supports the lieutenant who now is an authority on foreign affairs
or perhaps the trial lawyer who thinks he is qualified to run the
country...mjh

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
> ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
> a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
> it's heroes these days.
>
> BringEm,
> Rushmore
>
> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 12:37 AM

06/02/2004 2:35 AM

Mike Hide responds:

>
>Yeh yeh obviously this response was by vet , I wonder which war she avoided
>. Prolly supports the lieutenant who now is an authority on foreign affairs
>or perhaps the trial lawyer who thinks he is qualified to run the
>country..

Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same direction.

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 12:37 AM

06/02/2004 5:10 AM

One, last I heard Texas is still thriving, two I don't give a crap about
baseball, and three I have more money in MY pocket thanks to tax cuts....mjh

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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Hide responds:
>
> >
> >Yeh yeh obviously this response was by vet , I wonder which war she
avoided
> >. Prolly supports the lieutenant who now is an authority on foreign
affairs
> >or perhaps the trial lawyer who thinks he is qualified to run the
> >country..
>
> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
direction.
>
> Charlie Self
> "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other
> way." Mark Twain
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

11/02/2004 2:57 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:

>>> You're All Sheep
>>
>>Wow, I gotta go get me one of those for my car too.
>
> Good, huh? See the rest at http://www.unamerican.com/

<whoooosh>

The irony went right over your head, didn't it Monsieur Jacques? :)

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cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

06/02/2004 10:26 AM

Mike Hide writes:

>One, last I heard Texas is still thriving, two I don't give a crap about
>baseball, and three I have more money in MY pocket thanks to tax cuts....mjh

Got kids? Got grandkids? They'll be paying off the over 600 billion buck
deficit from this fiscal year. What will it be next year, since it is doubling
or nearly so each year of Shrub.

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

09/02/2004 1:23 AM

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:21:23 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Go figure! I saw a new bumper sticker yesterday and am
>> saddened by just how true it is becoming. It said
>>
>> You're All Sheep
>
>Wow, I gotta go get me one of those for my car too.

Good, huh? See the rest at http://www.unamerican.com/
Half a dozen of them (you're not saved) had me in tears.

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LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

06/02/2004 10:49 PM

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:02:59 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:

>The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
>Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
>taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
>loop....mjh

The national debt is owned by Americans? Then why are we
continuing to sell T-bills, etc. (trillion$) to the Saudis,
Great Britain, China, and Japan?


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Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

08/02/2004 1:21 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:

> Go figure! I saw a new bumper sticker yesterday and am
> saddened by just how true it is becoming. It said
>
> You're All Sheep

Wow, I gotta go get me one of those for my car too.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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nN

[email protected] (Nate Perkins)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

07/02/2004 9:56 PM

"Mike Hide" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<SUOUb.231401$I06.2589384@attbi_s01>...
> The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
> loop....mjh
...

This is a little misleading. The US Treasury department categorizes
the debt (US Treasury Table OFS-1) down as debt carried by the Federal
Reserve/US Government vs debt held by private US sources vs debt held
by private foreign sources.

The fraction of the total debt held by private foreign sources is
actually almost the same as the fraction held by private US sources
(both are about 20-25% of the total). The rest is held internally by
the Fed and the government.

The claim that the national debt "is not a problem" goes counter to
common sense, and also goes counter to what every major economist
says. Foreign payments on the debt drain real wealth from the tax
base, and sustained debts result in higher effective interest rates.
In the long run, they can decrease confidence in US markets.

hD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

09/02/2004 6:27 AM

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
SNIP

>
> Good, huh? See the rest at http://www.unamerican.com/
> Half a dozen of them (you're not saved) had me in tears.


LMAO - this site is great!!! Some outfit pretending to be anti-US, and
very anti-capitalist selling everything under the sun at very high
profit margins using every marketing trick in the book and all those
nice capitalistic things like crdit cards, etc. I bet someone is just
rolling in the dough laughing at the "idealists" that are bankrolling
his great lifestyle using mommy and daddy's credit cards.

I love it, ain't capitalism great.

Dave Hall

MR

Mark

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

07/02/2004 6:08 AM



Mike Hide wrote:
> The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
> loop....mjh




That's close to Check Kiting.



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Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

06/02/2004 4:02 PM

The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
loop....mjh

--




"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Hide writes:
>
> >One, last I heard Texas is still thriving, two I don't give a crap about
> >baseball, and three I have more money in MY pocket thanks to tax
cuts....mjh
>
> Got kids? Got grandkids? They'll be paying off the over 600 billion buck
> deficit from this fiscal year. What will it be next year, since it is
doubling
> or nearly so each year of Shrub.
>
> Charlie Self
> "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other
> way." Mark Twain
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

06/02/2004 5:44 PM

Mike Hide writes:

>The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
>Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
>taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
>loop

Oh, man. That's as specious an explanation as any I've heard directly from a
politician.

It stays in the loop, but the effect of using that credit shortchanges
businesses who need money to expand, in one problem area. It also DOES have to
be paid back, so shortchanges future programs that we may not yet see a need
for. It inflates the budget. it gives the government (adminstration and
bureacracy) another opportunity to lie to the public (the current deficit has
grown from about 360 billion to 500 billon and then in one day turned around
and became 521 billion. And then it was admitted that didn't include costs of
our varous wars and excursions, so we can add another 100+ billion to the
total, which almost certainly i s severely underestimated again). Staying in
the "loop" is more than Bush Sr. could do, but it's not enough for the money,
regardless of to whom it's owed.

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

Bn

Bridger

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

06/02/2004 11:43 PM

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:28:00 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <SOSUb.238423$xy6.1243840@attbi_s02>, [email protected]
>>says...
>>> The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
>>> physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
>>> currently or in the future .
>>>
>>Since Charlie's already pointed out your fallacy on Iraq, I'll just add
>>that "currently or in the future" is just about any nation on earth.
>>Just give'em time. How long's it been since Japan was an enemy? How
>>long since Saddam was a friend? How long ago did we back the Taliban?
>
>We never backed the Taliban.


we did send them money to assist in their opium eradication efforts.

fF

[email protected] (Frank Shute)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

12/02/2004 5:06 AM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:01:54 GMT, Mark wrote:
>
[snip]
>
>
>> Also FYI, the terrorists invariably win but only once they start
>> causing catastrophic economic damage will your politicians wake up.
>> The twin towers is just the start of the game.
>
>
> 911 was their first victory. Their second was the Patriot Act. A
> third victory was the effective squelching of alternate views and
> dissent against official policy. The first and second victories are
> won from the US Government, the third victory was something won from
> the American people.

It's appalling how your government has pissed away all the good will
your country had from around the world after 911 and divided it's own
citizenry.

The heavy-handed legislation, the internment (Guantanamo)....they have
learnt nothing from the British experience in Northern Ireland.

BTW, our Home Secretary is getting heavy-handed over here too and
there are about 14 foreign nationals locked up without trial - he
freely admits that their isn't enough evidence against them to take
them to court!

>
>
>
>>
>> As for Iraq, I predict the US will cut & run from Iraq after asset
>> stripping it and leave a subsequent bloodbath as the patriots in Iraq
>> take their revenge on the US collabarators and traitors. Oh, and the
>> terrorism will continue unabated of course.
>
>
> I checked your posting date .... can I borrow your crystal ball?
> .... since you made your post there have been two bombs at police
> recruitment centers.
>
> Actually no crystal ball is needed if only a bit of attention is
> paid. If you can't meet the enemy head on nibble at their flanks.

As you say, no crystal ball is needed. You just have to think how you
would behave if your country was under occupation....

>
> I remember history class where it was taught the British considered
> the Americans dirty fighters. We didn't fight by British rules. That
> is, we didn't marshal our troops in several lines in an open field
> and fire and advance, fire and advance ... we opted to hide behind
> trees and snipe then run like hell. Loyalist were burnt out of
> their homes, farms and businesses, they fled or were executed.
>
> What's the difference between the Revolution and now? The date on
> the calendar and the name and beliefs of the people playing 'dirty'.
>
> Dirty tactics, are they right? No. Are they wrong? No. They just
> are. And it's the method of fighting America was built on.

They are right, and all peoples have used the same tactics throughout
history. Folks use them because they work! If I remember rightly you
kicked us out ;)

>
>
>>>ah, it's not worth it, your ad hominem attacks merely indicate your
>>>inabilaty to spout anything other than BBC propaganda
>>
>>
>> Wake up and stop burying your head up your arsehole or your country
>> will collapse, slagging me off isn't going to do anything about it.
>
>
> But dismissing the argument is all some people have.

The problem is patriotism, it can be a cause for good but it can also
be blinding. To my mind the best patriotism is criticising the hell
out of ones own country, it's only that way that you can change things
for the better. If you can't do that freely then it's time to leave
your country.

>
>
>
>>> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
>>>mutually exclusive.
>>
>>
>> Wrong. He's both and isn't fit to wipe my arse let alone run a
>> country. I suspect even his father thinks that...not that that is much
>> to go by.
>
>
> I have to agree with you Frank, but is Dubya the one running the country?

No, he's a weak uneducated man. He's fallen in with the wrong crowd
again like he did in his serious boozing and drugging days and they've
led him astray but now it's not just his life at stake.

>
> And I disagree with who your replying to, religious zeal does not
> exclude perversion and weakness. Fact, many turn to religion because
> they are perverted and weak.

He's weak allright which is why he's so desperate to show that he's a
`hard man'.

Tony Blair's the same; he was called a girls name all the time he was
at school by his classmates and he's now got a chip on his shoulder so
large it's not funny. Surrounds himself with homosexuals....don't know
why(?!) Might see if I can get a date for him with our resident troll
....right, I'm off to email No.10 Downing St.....;)

--

Frank

http://www.freebsd.org/

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 5:13 PM

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:44:52 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:

> And WTF does that have to do with the war in Iraq? We should have
> invaded Saudi Arabia!

...and Arizona (McVey was from Kingman, AZ) and the UK (shoe bomber) and
Egypt (at least one of the 911 terrorists was Egyptian) and Isreal
(terrorists there have killed US citizens) and the Philipines (at least
one US citizen was killed by terrorist there). This is after all a war on
world wide terrorism, not just Al Quada. At least one thing it has to do
with Iraq is that Sadass was paying the families of Palestinian suicide
bombers whose actions in Isreal did result in US civilian deaths.

-Doug

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

07/02/2004 4:20 PM

You could not be farther from the truth, this country is falling into
socialism at an ever increasing rate, and has been for years. I left the UK
in the 50s to get away from it. I disised it then and still do.

Never the less wars do cost money and pain. we are currently at war and
according to most news sources there is no pain at home at all . The only
pain that is being felt is by our troops in Iraq. At home all we hear about
is some whore at the superbowl half time show, Scot Petersons murder trial
and some basketball freak who is getting sued for rape and thats NEWS.

As far as 9-11 goes America got sucker punched, the effort to ensure it does
not happen again costs money, people generally do not work for free, well
perhaps you do Don who knows.........mjh

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"Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Mike Hide"> wrote
>
> <shred>
>
> > as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
> > currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the
war
> > and protecting the populous
>
> LOL
>
> Sorry, but for some reason everytime I hear a socialist spout this stuff I
> spontaneously laugh out loud.
>
> BTW: The gov't did a real good job protecting the thousands of victims of
> 911, didn't they?
> Oh well, throw some more money at the crisis, that's the american way.
>
>

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

07/02/2004 2:12 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >Since Charlie's already pointed out your fallacy on Iraq, I'll just add
>> >that "currently or in the future" is just about any nation on earth.
>> >Just give'em time. How long's it been since Japan was an enemy? How
>> >long since Saddam was a friend? How long ago did we back the Taliban?
>>
>> We never backed the Taliban.
>>
>Oh? What do you think those mujahadin we armed to fight the Soviet Union
>turned into?
>
The mujaheddin and the Taliban are not the same.

--
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How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

Do

"Don"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

07/02/2004 3:13 PM

"Mike Hide"> wrote

<shred>

> as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
> currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the war
> and protecting the populous

LOL

Sorry, but for some reason everytime I hear a socialist spout this stuff I
spontaneously laugh out loud.

BTW: The gov't did a real good job protecting the thousands of victims of
911, didn't they?
Oh well, throw some more money at the crisis, that's the american way.

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Don" on 07/02/2004 3:13 PM

07/02/2004 3:52 PM

[email protected]
blares:

>Mike Hide"> wrote
>
><shred>
>
>> as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
>> currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the war
>> and protecting the populous
>
>LOL
>
>Sorry, but for some reason everytime I hear a socialist spout this stuff I
>spontaneously laugh out loud.

Socialist? Jeez, Mike that's a new way to define either you or the word, isn't
it?

Charlie Self
"We're 269 days from the election, and that's several political lifetimes."
TERRY HOLT, Bush campaign spokesman.


http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

06/02/2004 8:29 PM



--




"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Hide writes:
>
> >The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> >Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> >taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in
the
> >loop
>
> Oh, man. That's as specious an explanation as any I've heard directly from
a
> politician.
>
> It stays in the loop, but the effect of using that credit shortchanges
> businesses who need money to expand, in one problem area. It also DOES
have to
> be paid back,

Seems to me the individual has the choice of investing in private US
industry or government notes. As we all know it has to be paid back
,government notes expire after a set time period

so shortchanges future programs that we may not yet see a need
> for. It inflates the budget. it gives the government (adminstration and
> bureacracy) another opportunity to lie to the public (the current deficit
has
> grown from about 360 billion to 500 billon and then in one day turned
around
> and became 521 billion.

Lets see now you are spouting the figures so presumably these figures are
public knowledge. So where is the part about the government lying ?

And then it was admitted that didn't include costs of
> our varous wars and excursions, so we can add another 100+ billion to the
> total, which almost certainly I s severely underestimated again).

I believe the cost of war and the like have always been separated from the
general budget , and been subject to separate appropriation procedure....

Incidentally the penny dropped with regards to the national debt years ago
when 4 northeast economic proffs were on the Charlie Rose program with a
fellow by the name of Larry Cudlow. the proff argued that the national debt
was such that there was no way that Clinton could possibly reduce the
deficit in the near future .Cudlow opposed their reasoning and behold the
REPUBLICANS forced Clinton to reduce it shortly after......

The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the war
and protecting the populous.....mjh


Staying in
> the "loop" is more than Bush Sr. could do, but it's not enough for the
money,
> regardless of to whom it's owed.
>
> Charlie Self
> "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other
> way." Mark Twain
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 8:29 PM

06/02/2004 10:56 PM

Mike Hide notes:

>The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
>physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
>currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the war
>and protecting the populous..

WTF does Iraq have to do with Al Quaeda?

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 8:29 PM

09/02/2004 4:06 PM

Mike Hide wrote:

> Did you hear where ricin poison was produced ,I believe it was N.E.Iraq...by
> a terrorist organization associated with Al Quaeda..........If I recall
> ricin has been used in the US recently.......mjh
>
If you mean Ansar al-Islam, they were not under the control of the
Baathists. When they were attacked by the US/Kurdish forces, remnants
headed for Iran.
j4

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 8:29 PM

08/02/2004 1:29 AM

Charlie Self wrote:

> WTF does Iraq have to do with Al Quaeda?

"Iraq" is an Arabic sounding word. "Al" and "Qaeda" are Arabic sounding
words.

Duh. What more reason do we need?

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MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 8:29 PM

09/02/2004 4:23 AM

Did you hear where ricin poison was produced ,I believe it was N.E.Iraq...by
a terrorist organization associated with Al Quaeda..........If I recall
ricin has been used in the US recently.......mjh

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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Hide notes:
>
> >The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
> >physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm
either
> >currently or in the future . It costs money to proceed exercising the war
> >and protecting the populous..
>
> WTF does Iraq have to do with Al Quaeda?
>
> Charlie Self
> "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other
> way." Mark Twain
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 09/02/2004 4:23 AM

09/02/2004 5:22 PM

Robert Bonomi wrote:

> Ricin is a natural extract of the 'castor bean'. About as
> hard to make as castor oil.

Probably easier, since there's probably no need for concern about
purity...

> It's also pretty much harmless if injested. Needs to enter a
> cut or wound to be fatal.

Not sure about requirements for fatal; but definitely NOT
HARMLESS if injested. A niece ate a couple of beans (not the
refined and concentrated poison) and required hospitalization.
We're glad she's still with us.

However it enters the system, ricin causes "clumping" of the red
blood cells. The effects are not nice, and there is no antitoxin.

--
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 09/02/2004 4:23 AM

09/02/2004 10:31 AM

Mike Hide writes:

>id you hear where ricin poison was produced ,I believe it was N.E.Iraq...by
>a terrorist organization associated with Al Quaeda..........If I recall
>ricin has been used in the US recently.......mjh
>

Yeah, but supposedly Iraq is under our control. I didn't hear that, anyway, and
if I did I'd ask for some sources. If ricin is like most poisons, it's not that
hard to produce. I'm not exactly sure why you'd equate something rumored to
have happened, maybe, to a reason for saying a particular ruler was involved
with a Al Qaeda. Does that mean the guy who was president when those Boeings
were built in the U.S. was responsible for the attacks on 9-11?

Charlie Self
"Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold." Mark Twain

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 09/02/2004 4:23 AM

09/02/2004 10:55 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Hide writes:
>
>>id you hear where ricin poison was produced ,I believe it was N.E.Iraq...by
>>a terrorist organization associated with Al Quaeda..........If I recall
>>ricin has been used in the US recently.......mjh
>>
>
>Yeah, but supposedly Iraq is under our control. I didn't hear that, anyway, and
>if I did I'd ask for some sources. If ricin is like most poisons, it's not that
>hard to produce. I'm not exactly sure why you'd equate something rumored to
>have happened, maybe, to a reason for saying a particular ruler was involved
>with a Al Qaeda. Does that mean the guy who was president when those Boeings
>were built in the U.S. was responsible for the attacks on 9-11?

Ricin is a natural extract of the 'castor bean'. About as hard to make as
castor oil.

It's also pretty much harmless if injested. Needs to enter a cut or wound to
be fatal.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

12/02/2004 8:46 AM


"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > At least one thing it has to do
> > with Iraq is that Sadass was paying the families of Palestinian suicide
> > bombers whose actions in Isreal did result in US civilian deaths.
> >
> Agreed. But give me an Arab nation that isn't supporting the
> Palestinians. We didn't invade them :-).


Not yet. Wait a while. What will be next?

>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

MR

Mark

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

11/02/2004 4:01 PM



Frank Shute wrote:

>
> I'm glad to hear that you enjoy it though, must make you mighty proud
> to be American when you hear their brave cheerleading from the rear
> and you can join in too from the comfort of your armchair.


Vietnam.

Look how long it took Americans to wake up to that situation.



>
> If you (or they) had an ounce of spunk in you, you'd be on the
> frontline furthering your misbegotten beliefs....



Americans have always been for killing as long as it wasn't them being called on
to do it.


> You are obsessed by planes crashing into tall buildings. Try and move
> on and if at all possible try and address the issues of why it
> happened in the first place.



That's asking too much, if we were to address why it happened we may have to
modify our behavior.

Gunboat diplomacy, The Shah of Iran, blind support of Israel, .... We made
Sodamn what he was then condemn him for it.

What's interesting is the family of the Goofball in the White House has been
behind the scenes players in world shaping since the 40's. Look where it's
gotten us.



> Also FYI, the terrorists invariably win but only once they start
> causing catastrophic economic damage will your politicians wake up.
> The twin towers is just the start of the game.


911 was their first victory. Their second was the Patriot Act. A third victory
was the effective squelching of alternate views and dissent against official
policy. The first and second victories are won from the US Government, the third
victory was something won from the American people.



>
> As for Iraq, I predict the US will cut & run from Iraq after asset
> stripping it and leave a subsequent bloodbath as the patriots in Iraq
> take their revenge on the US collabarators and traitors. Oh, and the
> terrorism will continue unabated of course.


I checked your posting date .... can I borrow your crystal ball? .... since you
made your post there have been two bombs at police recruitment centers.

Actually no crystal ball is needed if only a bit of attention is paid. If you
can't meet the enemy head on nibble at their flanks.

I remember history class where it was taught the British considered the
Americans dirty fighters. We didn't fight by British rules. That is, we didn't
marshal our troops in several lines in an open field and fire and advance, fire
and advance ... we opted to hide behind trees and snipe then run like hell.
Loyalist were burnt out of their homes, farms and businesses, they fled or were
executed.

What's the difference between the Revolution and now? The date on the calendar
and the name and beliefs of the people playing 'dirty'.

Dirty tactics, are they right? No. Are they wrong? No. They just are. And it's
the method of fighting America was built on.


>>ah, it's not worth it, your ad hominem attacks merely indicate your
>>inabilaty to spout anything other than BBC propaganda
>
>
> Wake up and stop burying your head up your arsehole or your country
> will collapse, slagging me off isn't going to do anything about it.



But dismissing the argument is all some people have.



>> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
>>mutually exclusive.
>
>
> Wrong. He's both and isn't fit to wipe my arse let alone run a
> country. I suspect even his father thinks that...not that that is much
> to go by.


I have to agree with you Frank, but is Dubya the one running the country?

And I disagree with who your replying to, religious zeal does not exclude
perversion and weakness. Fact, many turn to religion because they are perverted
and weak.


--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

10/02/2004 1:31 AM

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:09:19 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> At least one thing it has to do
>> with Iraq is that Sadass was paying the families of Palestinian suicide
>> bombers whose actions in Isreal did result in US civilian deaths.
>>
> Agreed. But give me an Arab nation that isn't supporting the
> Palestinians. We didn't invade them :-).

No, because we haven't gotten to the "last resort" stage. Libya decided
they didn't want to get to the last resort stage. I hope Syria wises up
in it's support for terrorists.

-Doug

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

06/02/2004 4:24 PM

In article <SOSUb.238423$xy6.1243840@attbi_s02>, [email protected]
says...
> The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
> physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
> currently or in the future .
>
Since Charlie's already pointed out your fallacy on Iraq, I'll just add
that "currently or in the future" is just about any nation on earth.
Just give'em time. How long's it been since Japan was an enemy? How
long since Saddam was a friend? How long ago did we back the Taliban?
Is that clear enough?

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

06/02/2004 9:43 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Since Charlie's already pointed out your fallacy on Iraq, I'll just add
> >that "currently or in the future" is just about any nation on earth.
> >Just give'em time. How long's it been since Japan was an enemy? How
> >long since Saddam was a friend? How long ago did we back the Taliban?
>
> We never backed the Taliban.
>
Oh? What do you think those mujahadin we armed to fight the Soviet Union
turned into?

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 8:44 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> You're at war because you started a war by invading another country.
> > If you hadn't then your soldiers wouldn't be getting killed.
> >
>
> Yeah, that little incident with jetliners taking down two office
> towers and crashing into the pentagon was merely a figment of our
> imaginations.
>
And WTF does that have to do with the war in Iraq? We should have
invaded Saudi Arabia!

And BTW, I've watched Fox news - after a while I started calling it the
Bush cheerleading section :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 5:09 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> At least one thing it has to do
> with Iraq is that Sadass was paying the families of Palestinian suicide
> bombers whose actions in Isreal did result in US civilian deaths.
>
Agreed. But give me an Arab nation that isn't supporting the
Palestinians. We didn't invade them :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

fF

[email protected] (Frank Shute)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 8:08 PM

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 01:29:17 GMT, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:20:21 GMT, Mike Hide wrote:
>> >
>> > You could not be farther from the truth, this country is falling into
>> > socialism at an ever increasing rate, and has been for years. I left the UK
>> > in the 50s to get away from it. I disised it then and still do.
>>
>> You don't know what socialism is, only what Fox news has told you.
>>
>
> You don't know what Fox news is, only that you've seen it used as a
> term of derision. Take a look at their website, the majority of the
> articles are contributed by AP and a few by Reuters, hardly right-wing
> propagandist agencies.

I've had the misfortune to become acquainted with Fox's effluent and
because it's got some filler from Reuters and AP doesn't mean it's not
largely worthless bilge. It *is* an object of derision world wide,
perhaps you'd care to explain why that might be?

I'm glad to hear that you enjoy it though, must make you mighty proud
to be American when you hear their brave cheerleading from the rear
and you can join in too from the comfort of your armchair.

If you (or they) had an ounce of spunk in you, you'd be on the
frontline furthering your misbegotten beliefs....it's lions led by
donkeys as things stand, with the occasional token visit from your
president armed with nothing more dangerous than a plastic turkey and
a cheesy grin for the cameras.

>
>> >
>> > Never the less wars do cost money and pain. we are currently at war and
>> > according to most news sources there is no pain at home at all . The only
>> > pain that is being felt is by our troops in Iraq.
>>
>> You're at war because you started a war by invading another country.
>> If you hadn't then your soldiers wouldn't be getting killed.
>>
>
> Yeah, that little incident with jetliners taking down two office
> towers and crashing into the pentagon was merely a figment of our
> imaginations.

You are obsessed by planes crashing into tall buildings. Try and move
on and if at all possible try and address the issues of why it
happened in the first place. FYI, invading Iraq doesn't address the
issue, it just makes matters worse.

Also FYI, the terrorists invariably win but only once they start
causing catastrophic economic damage will your politicians wake up.
The twin towers is just the start of the game.

We had to sit down and talk with the IRA once they started flattening
our cities and a terrorist is now education minister for Northern
Ireland. All the totalitarian security procedures your congress cares
to pass into law wont save you....we've been there and got the
t-shirt. It didn't require WMD or airplanes either, just good old
semtex and fertilizer.

As for Iraq, I predict the US will cut & run from Iraq after asset
stripping it and leave a subsequent bloodbath as the patriots in Iraq
take their revenge on the US collabarators and traitors. Oh, and the
terrorism will continue unabated of course.

>
>
>> If you're referring to the "War on Terrorism" then that's no more a
>> war than the "War on Drugs", just a cover story for your
>> administration to pursue Godless commies: Colombians, Serbians,
>> Cubans, Nicaraguans, Peruvians, Arabs.....the list of people you've
>> pissed off is endless and it's hardly surprising that they resort to
>> terrorism.
>>
>> BTW, how's the "War on Drugs" going? Not too good if your presidents
>> nostrils are anything to go by.
>>
>> > At home all we hear about is some whore at the superbowl half time
>> > show, Scot Petersons murder trial and some basketball freak who is
>> > getting sued for rape and thats NEWS.
>>
>> Don't want to disturb the populace with pictures of American troops
>> getting blown up....they then might start questioning your
>> administrations brain-dead foreign policy.
>>
>> > As far as 9-11 goes America got sucker punched, the effort to ensure it does
>> > not happen again costs money, people generally do not work for free, well
>> > perhaps you do Don who knows.........mjh
>> >
>>
>> You are not going to ensure it doesn't happen again by rallying behind
>> your boys when they invade yet another Arab country. The Arabs will
>> just come back for second helpings whilst your deficit spirals out of
>> control.
>>
>
> ah, it's not worth it, your ad hominem attacks merely indicate your
> inabilaty to spout anything other than BBC propaganda

Wake up and stop burying your head up your arsehole or your country
will collapse, slagging me off isn't going to do anything about it.

>
>
>> Face the facts, your president is a very thick religious nutter who's
>> being led by a lot of unelected right-wing radicals....a bit like our
>> prime minister in that respect. Kick him out and let him get back to a
>> life of peace managing a football team and jamming charlie up his
>> nose. Next time, try and elect somebody with a brain but without a
>> drug habit (anyone for pretzels?)
>>
>
> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
> mutually exclusive.

Wrong. He's both and isn't fit to wipe my arse let alone run a
country. I suspect even his father thinks that...not that that is much
to go by.

BTW, you wont find the above on the BBC - we like to think for
ourselves over this side of the pond rather than being spoon fed `our
views'[sic].

--

Frank

http://www.freebsd.org/

"If he knew there were no WMD then he's too wicked
to be President and if he didn't know there were no WMD
then he's too stupid to be President"

- Apologies to Nye Bevin

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 1:29 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:20:21 GMT, Mike Hide wrote:
> >
> > You could not be farther from the truth, this country is falling into
> > socialism at an ever increasing rate, and has been for years. I left the UK
> > in the 50s to get away from it. I disised it then and still do.
>
> You don't know what socialism is, only what Fox news has told you.
>

You don't know what Fox news is, only that you've seen it used as a
term of derision. Take a look at their website, the majority of the
articles are contributed by AP and a few by Reuters, hardly right-wing
propagandist agencies.

> >
> > Never the less wars do cost money and pain. we are currently at war and
> > according to most news sources there is no pain at home at all . The only
> > pain that is being felt is by our troops in Iraq.
>
> You're at war because you started a war by invading another country.
> If you hadn't then your soldiers wouldn't be getting killed.
>

Yeah, that little incident with jetliners taking down two office
towers and crashing into the pentagon was merely a figment of our
imaginations.


> If you're referring to the "War on Terrorism" then that's no more a
> war than the "War on Drugs", just a cover story for your
> administration to pursue Godless commies: Colombians, Serbians,
> Cubans, Nicaraguans, Peruvians, Arabs.....the list of people you've
> pissed off is endless and it's hardly surprising that they resort to
> terrorism.
>
> BTW, how's the "War on Drugs" going? Not too good if your presidents
> nostrils are anything to go by.
>
> > At home all we hear about is some whore at the superbowl half time
> > show, Scot Petersons murder trial and some basketball freak who is
> > getting sued for rape and thats NEWS.
>
> Don't want to disturb the populace with pictures of American troops
> getting blown up....they then might start questioning your
> administrations brain-dead foreign policy.
>
> > As far as 9-11 goes America got sucker punched, the effort to ensure it does
> > not happen again costs money, people generally do not work for free, well
> > perhaps you do Don who knows.........mjh
> >
>
> You are not going to ensure it doesn't happen again by rallying behind
> your boys when they invade yet another Arab country. The Arabs will
> just come back for second helpings whilst your deficit spirals out of
> control.
>

ah, it's not worth it, your ad hominem attacks merely indicate your
inabilaty to spout anything other than BBC propaganda


> Face the facts, your president is a very thick religious nutter who's
> being led by a lot of unelected right-wing radicals....a bit like our
> prime minister in that respect. Kick him out and let him get back to a
> life of peace managing a football team and jamming charlie up his
> nose. Next time, try and elect somebody with a brain but without a
> drug habit (anyone for pretzels?)
>

Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
mutually exclusive.

>
>

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 4:09 PM

Mark & Juanita wrote:

[snip]
> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
> mutually exclusive.
>
Choices, choices...
j4

Bn

Bridger

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

09/02/2004 9:25 AM

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:09:51 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>[snip]
>> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
>> mutually exclusive.
>>
>Choices, choices...
> j4



the two are most certainly not mutually exclusive. drugs and religion
go hand in hand and have from day 1.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

07/02/2004 12:28 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <SOSUb.238423$xy6.1243840@attbi_s02>, [email protected]
>says...
>> The country has been stuck a severe blow on 9 11, both financially and
>> physically,as a result we are at war with people who would do us harm either
>> currently or in the future .
>>
>Since Charlie's already pointed out your fallacy on Iraq, I'll just add
>that "currently or in the future" is just about any nation on earth.
>Just give'em time. How long's it been since Japan was an enemy? How
>long since Saddam was a friend? How long ago did we back the Taliban?

We never backed the Taliban.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

fF

[email protected] (Frank Shute)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

08/02/2004 11:54 PM

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:20:21 GMT, Mike Hide wrote:
>
> You could not be farther from the truth, this country is falling into
> socialism at an ever increasing rate, and has been for years. I left the UK
> in the 50s to get away from it. I disised it then and still do.

You don't know what socialism is, only what Fox news has told you.

>
> Never the less wars do cost money and pain. we are currently at war and
> according to most news sources there is no pain at home at all . The only
> pain that is being felt is by our troops in Iraq.

You're at war because you started a war by invading another country.
If you hadn't then your soldiers wouldn't be getting killed.

If you're referring to the "War on Terrorism" then that's no more a
war than the "War on Drugs", just a cover story for your
administration to pursue Godless commies: Colombians, Serbians,
Cubans, Nicaraguans, Peruvians, Arabs.....the list of people you've
pissed off is endless and it's hardly surprising that they resort to
terrorism.

BTW, how's the "War on Drugs" going? Not too good if your presidents
nostrils are anything to go by.

> At home all we hear about is some whore at the superbowl half time
> show, Scot Petersons murder trial and some basketball freak who is
> getting sued for rape and thats NEWS.

Don't want to disturb the populace with pictures of American troops
getting blown up....they then might start questioning your
administrations brain-dead foreign policy.

> As far as 9-11 goes America got sucker punched, the effort to ensure it does
> not happen again costs money, people generally do not work for free, well
> perhaps you do Don who knows.........mjh
>

You are not going to ensure it doesn't happen again by rallying behind
your boys when they invade yet another Arab country. The Arabs will
just come back for second helpings whilst your deficit spirals out of
control.

Face the facts, your president is a very thick religious nutter who's
being led by a lot of unelected right-wing radicals....a bit like our
prime minister in that respect. Kick him out and let him get back to a
life of peace managing a football team and jamming charlie up his
nose. Next time, try and elect somebody with a brain but without a
drug habit (anyone for pretzels?)


--

Frank

http://www.freebsd.org/

R

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

10/02/2004 1:35 PM

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 01:29:17 GMT, Mark & Juanita
> Which is it? Is he a religious nut or a drug addict? The two are
>mutually exclusive.

How is that dum-dum? Remember Tammy Lee Bakker?

bringEm,
Rushmore

MR

Mark

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 4:02 PM

12/02/2004 3:59 PM



Frank Shute wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:01:54 GMT, Mark wrote:
>
>
> It's appalling how your government has pissed away all the good will
> your country had from around the world after 911 and divided it's own
> citizenry.


It's amazing we got that good will in the first place considering how long and
the amount of terrorist attacks in other parts of the world. When I was a child
there were bombings in Italy, France and (?) England. Bombing was occurring all
over the world (as I then knew it), I asked why it wasn't happening 'here'. This
upset the parents somewhat, they asked if I wanted it to happen here, I said no,
they said not to worry about it.

3000 dead. Is it time to start worrying?



>>
>>Dirty tactics, are they right? No. Are they wrong? No. They just
>>are. And it's the method of fighting America was built on.
>
>
> They are right, and all peoples have used the same tactics throughout
> history. Folks use them because they work! If I remember rightly you
> kicked us out ;)



IIRC the official English explanation was that we were more trouble/ nuisance
than we were worth??


Makes me wonder what the official verses true reason the US Government will give
for leaving Iraq. Will we ever leave Iraq? There were plenty of plans made to
invade, not one plan made on how to leave.


>
>
> The problem is patriotism, it can be a cause for good but it can also
> be blinding.


The problem isn't patriotism, it's BLIND patriotism. The 'America, Right or
Wrong' mentality is no less repugnant than the Neo-Nazi "White is Right" mind
set. Fact they have allot in common. Blind obedience and the squashing of any
who disagree are the first to come to mind.


>>I have to agree with you Frank, but is Dubya the one running the country?
>
>
> No, he's a weak uneducated man.


Your too kind. You forgot clueless.



--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

06/02/2004 9:39 AM

In article <SUOUb.231401$I06.2589384@attbi_s01>, [email protected]
says...
> The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
> loop....mjh
>
"We owe it to ourselves" - what politician said that first? Anyone old
enough to remember?

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

06/02/2004 4:25 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:02:59 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> >Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> >taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
> >loop....mjh
>
> The national debt is owned by Americans? Then why are we
> continuing to sell T-bills, etc. (trillion$) to the Saudis,
> Great Britain, China, and Japan?
>
Now, now, Larry. Don't confuse him with facts.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

07/02/2004 1:57 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
> > On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:02:59 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
> > brought forth from the murky depths:
> >
> > >The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> > >Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> > >taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
> > >loop....mjh
> >
> > The national debt is owned by Americans? Then why are we
> > continuing to sell T-bills, etc. (trillion$) to the Saudis,
> > Great Britain, China, and Japan?
> >
> Now, now, Larry. Don't confuse him with facts.
>
>

Yeah, like the fact he only said 80% was owned by Americans. One
could assume then, that foreign holders might own the other 20%.

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

07/02/2004 4:22 PM

Hey Larry 80% leaves another 20% for foreign investment, get it ???

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"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:02:59 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
> >Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
> >taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in
the
> >loop....mjh
>
> The national debt is owned by Americans? Then why are we
> continuing to sell T-bills, etc. (trillion$) to the Saudis,
> Great Britain, China, and Japan?
>
>
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Larry Jaques

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

07/02/2004 3:55 AM

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:25:51 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:02:59 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
>> brought forth from the murky depths:
>>
>> >The national debt, is not a problem .Last I heard 80% of it is owned by
>> >Americans, so basically we are borrowing from ourselves and profits are
>> >taxed and feed back into the economy. In other words most of it stays in the
>> >loop....mjh
>>
>> The national debt is owned by Americans? Then why are we
>> continuing to sell T-bills, etc. (trillion$) to the Saudis,
>> Great Britain, China, and Japan?
>>
>Now, now, Larry. Don't confuse him with facts.

The poor soul thinks we HAD to go to war with Iraq and
Afghanistan after the Saudis sent guys over to take down
the towers.

He thinks that spending billions on heightened "security"
[which misses 9" sharpened pencils but catches 1" pocket
knives; which misses bullets on a person; which misses
fake bombs by students; which checks only some of the
potential terrorists (passengers) instead of all, etc.]
and taking control to steal our rights is a good thing.

Go figure! I saw a new bumper sticker yesterday and am
saddened by just how true it is becoming. It said

You're All Sheep



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[email protected] (Phil Crow)

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

08/02/2004 6:15 AM

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>SNIP
> Go figure! I saw a new bumper sticker yesterday and am
> saddened by just how true it is becoming. It said
>
> You're All Sheep
>
> ===========================================================
> Save the Endangered Boullions from being cubed!
> http://www.diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online
> ===========================================================

In this vein, there was a post a little while ago about "deadly power
tools" and an association to ban them. I don't remember anything else
about the tongue-in-cheek 'analysis' but I do remember the slogan at
the top of the page:

"It feels good to give up a little freedom in exchange for a lot of
safety."

Chew on that awhile.

-Phil Crow

Bn

Bridger

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

11/02/2004 1:26 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:57:20 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>> You're All Sheep
>>>
>>>Wow, I gotta go get me one of those for my car too.
>>
>> Good, huh? See the rest at http://www.unamerican.com/
>
><whoooosh>
>
>The irony went right over your head, didn't it Monsieur Jacques? :)



hey, I got it...
Bridger

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 5:10 AM

11/02/2004 11:04 PM

Bridger wrote:

>>>>> You're All Sheep
>>>>
>>>>Wow, I gotta go get me one of those for my car too.

>>The irony went right over your head, didn't it Monsieur Jacques? :)
>
> hey, I got it...

I'm glad *someone* was awake. Larry's been sniffing too much shellac maybe.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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tf

"todd"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 12:37 AM

05/02/2004 11:50 PM

"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Hide responds:
>
> >
> >Yeh yeh obviously this response was by vet , I wonder which war she
avoided
> >. Prolly supports the lieutenant who now is an authority on foreign
affairs
> >or perhaps the trial lawyer who thinks he is qualified to run the
> >country..
>
> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
direction.

Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
administration.

And you're gonna have to explain this to me. Bush, with other investors,
bought the Texas Rangers for $89 million in 1989. After being elected
governor, Bush resigned as managing general partner in December of 1994.
According to Financial World, the value of the franchise in 1994 is $157
million. The following year, after the labor stoppage from the year before,
the value of the franchise is reduced to $138 million. In 1996, the Rangers
won the AL West and the team's value was estimated at $173 million. Two
years later, the team is sold to Tom Hicks for $250 million. So, in 9
years, the value of the team increased from $89 million to $250 million.
I'm sure there's some way this can be spun as bankrupting the Texas Rangers,
but like I said, you're going to have to explain it to me.

Oh, and "nearly" bankrupted Texas? Is that like "mostly dead"?

todd


tf

"todd"

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 9:07 PM

"12345678 23456789" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd can you tell us , how much money this guy put up for his share of
> the rangers? And he was in it for 5 years and was gov. after that time.
> Oh and when he was gov. tell us AGAIN how he screwed the people of exas
> for a new stadium and what that did to the value of the team. And after
> all this time how much did he get for his return on investment. Guess he
> has done well though. He has convinced alot of people he is a texan.
> Born and educated where?

As a matter of fact, I think I can answer most of those questions. In 1988,
Mr. Bush learned that family friend Eddie Chiles was putting the team up for
sale. He arranged in April of 1989 to have an investor group purchase the
team for $89 million. He borrowed $500,000 to buy a small stake in the team
and convinced the group to make him the co-managing partner. Mr. Bush was
the public face of the team and the other co-managing partner, Rusty Rose,
assumed control of the financial side. Mr. Bush lobbied for a new stadium
for the team, which at the time played in a renovated minor-league facility,
Arlington Stadium.

In April of 1990, Mr. Bush bought an additional $100,000 stake in the team.
In January of 1991, Arlington citizens approved, by a 2-1 margin, public
funds for a new $191 million ballpark. The Texas legislature passed a bill
(signed by Ann Richards) that created the Arlington Sports Facilities
Development Authority (ASFDA). In July, Mr. Bush bought another $6,302
interest in the team. In April of 1994, the new ballpark opened. Over the
course of the season, a league-leading average of over 40,300 fans attended
games. In November of 1994, Mr. Bush was elected governor of Texas. In
December, before taking office, Mr. Bush resigned as managing general
partner, but kept his ownership stake in the team, which stood at 1.8
percent. He would get another 10 percent bonus if the team was later sold
and the original investors got back their original investment plus interest.

In 1996, the Ranges won the AL West and made the playoffs for the first time
in franchise history. Stadium revenues of 25.5 million were rated best in
baseball by Financial World. In 1998, Tom Hicks purchased the team for $250
million. With the bonus, Mr. Bush received $14.9 million.

So to summarize, he was involved with the team for 5 years but gave up his
position with the team before taking office. He apparently negotiated a
deal with the investor group that if he made them money, he would get an
increased share. The citizens of Arlington approved the building of the
stadium. From what I can tell, the stadium is owned by the city of
Arlington. The Rangers lease the stadium from the city and the club
maintains and operates the ballpark. Debt service is provided by a
combination of a $3.5 million rental fee from the Rangers and a 0.5% sales
tax city sales tax which was approved in an Arlington municipal election.

So, the city got a new ballpark which they approved and the original
investors made a lot of money on their investment, part of which they paid
to Mr. Bush.

Bush was born in Connecticut but grew up in Midland, TX. He was educated at
Yale and Harvard. Do you have a point?

todd

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 10:41 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
> using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
>
> RB

Oh, *there's* a fair and unbiased source. You mock people for quoting
Rush Limbaugh, his credibility ranks higher than ol' Molly's.

>
> todd wrote:
> > "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>todd responds:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
> >>>administration.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his
> >
> > daddy
> >
> >>invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.
> >>
> >>Charlie Self
> >>"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
> >
> > other
> >
> >>way." Mark Twain
> >>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
> >
> >
> > Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
> > wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
> > something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.
> >
> > todd
> >
> >
>
>

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 07/02/2004 10:41 PM

07/02/2004 10:56 PM

Mark & Juanita responds;

>> Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
>> using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
>>
>> RB
>
> Oh, *there's* a fair and unbiased source. You mock people for quoting
>Rush Limbaugh, his credibility ranks higher than ol' Molly's.
>

C'mon. The only thing lower on the credibility stage than Limbaugh is Drudge.

Or maybe Fox.

Charlie Self
"We're 269 days from the election, and that's several political lifetimes."
TERRY HOLT, Bush campaign spokesman.


http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 07/02/2004 10:41 PM

08/02/2004 4:12 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Mark & Juanita responds;
>
> >> Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
> >> using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
> >>
> >> RB
> >
> > Oh, *there's* a fair and unbiased source. You mock people for quoting
> >Rush Limbaugh, his credibility ranks higher than ol' Molly's.
> >
>
> C'mon. The only thing lower on the credibility stage than Limbaugh is Drudge.
>
> Or maybe Fox.
>
> Charlie Self

Fine, but to someone with even a modicum of a sense of fair play,
Molly Ivens falls in the same category to the left.

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

06/02/2004 10:32 AM

todd responds:

>Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
>administration.
>

Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his daddy
invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

RR

RB

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 1:40 AM

Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.

RB

todd wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>todd responds:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
>>>administration.
>>>
>>
>>Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his
>
> daddy
>
>>invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.
>>
>>Charlie Self
>>"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
>
> other
>
>>way." Mark Twain
>>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>
>
> Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
> wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
> something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.
>
> todd
>
>

RR

RB

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 11:54 PM

I don't recall mocking anyone for quoting Rush.

RB

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>>Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
>>using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
>>
>>RB
>
>
> Oh, *there's* a fair and unbiased source. You mock people for quoting
> Rush Limbaugh, his credibility ranks higher than ol' Molly's.
>
>
>>todd wrote:
>>
>>>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>todd responds:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
>>>>>administration.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his
>>>
>>>daddy
>>>
>>>
>>>>invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.
>>>>
>>>>Charlie Self
>>>>"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
>>>
>>>other
>>>
>>>
>>>>way." Mark Twain
>>>>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
>>>wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
>>>something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.
>>>
>>>todd
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Bn

Bridger

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 5:16 PM

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:41:03 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
>> using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
>>
>> RB
>
> Oh, *there's* a fair and unbiased source. You mock people for quoting
>Rush Limbaugh, his credibility ranks higher than ol' Molly's.



if you're a hypocritical drug addicted right wing idiot, perhaps.

b

[email protected] (12345678 23456789)

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 7:42 PM

Todd can you tell us , how much money this guy put up for his share of
the rangers? And he was in it for 5 years and was gov. after that time.
Oh and when he was gov. tell us AGAIN how he screwed the people of exas
for a new stadium and what that did to the value of the team. And after
all this time how much did he get for his return on investment. Guess he
has done well though. He has convinced alot of people he is a texan.
Born and educated where?

tf

"todd"

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

06/02/2004 10:24 PM

"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> todd responds:
>
> >Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
> >administration.
> >
>
> Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his
daddy
> invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.
>
> Charlie Self
> "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
other
> way." Mark Twain
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.

todd

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "todd" on 06/02/2004 10:24 PM

07/02/2004 11:55 AM

todd writes:

>
>Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
>wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
>something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.

Go for it. As an icidental point, what's MoveOn? And who is Michael Moore? Only
one I know of has some relation to movies, which means his opinion is as
valuable as yours.

Charlie Self
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "todd" on 06/02/2004 10:24 PM

07/02/2004 4:04 PM

On 07 Feb 2004 11:55:32 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:

>todd writes:
>
>>
>>Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure you
>>wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is that
>>something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.
>
>Go for it. As an icidental point, what's MoveOn? And who is Michael Moore? Only
>one I know of has some relation to movies, which means his opinion is as
>valuable as yours.

Michael Moore is a wonderfully funny comedian who also happens
to be a rabid liberal. He has written several best-sellers
including "Stupid White Men" and "Dude, Where's My Country?"
in which he brings all of the bullshit from the current country
"leaders" into the open in one place. It's amazing.

While I'm not sure I completely trust his content, it brings up
enough trackable info to immediately question our wonderful new
totali^H^H^H^H^H^Hleader's motives and agenda.

I recommend getting to a library and picking up a copy of each
to open your eyes to a bit more of what's really going on behind
the scenes of the new world dom^H^H^Horder. Then verify what you
read with other sources you trust.

Another good and scary one is "The Coming Anarchy" by Robert Kaplan.


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"todd"

in reply to "todd" on 05/02/2004 11:50 PM

07/02/2004 10:13 AM

OK, what was the scam?

todd

"RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Molly Ivans' book, "Shrub", details the financial scam that GW performed
> using the Rangers. It paints a not so pretty picture of him.
>
> RB
>
> todd wrote:
> > "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>todd responds:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yeah, because the national debt was invented during the Bush 42
> >>>administration.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Truly? Damn, I thought it was years old. No one suggested Shrubor his
> >
> > daddy
> >
> >>invented the system. But Not Jr. has sure as hell perfected it.
> >>
> >>Charlie Self
> >>"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
> >
> > other
> >
> >>way." Mark Twain
> >>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
> >
> >
> > Interesting how you let the rest of my comments just slide. You sure
you
> > wouldn't care to elaborate on your statement about the Rangers? Or is
that
> > something you saw at MoveOn? Wait, I know...Michael Moore told you.
> >
> > todd
> >
> >
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Mike Hide" on 06/02/2004 12:37 AM

07/02/2004 1:19 AM


"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
direction.


Actually the man that bankrupted the Texas Rangers did a decent job as
governor. It was the governor he replaced that almost bankrupted Texas.
Ann Richards was her name and she was instrumental in starting up the
lottery in Texas to help keep Texas afloat.

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 1:51 AM

Leon responds:

>> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
>> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
>direction.
>
>
>Actually the man that bankrupted the Texas Rangers did a decent job as
>governor. It was the governor he replaced that almost bankrupted Texas.
>Ann Richards was her name and she was instrumental in starting up the
>lottery in Texas to help keep Texas afloat.
>

Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is good at
that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.

Charlie Self
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 2:00 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Leon responds:
>
> >> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted Texas, did
> >> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
> >direction.
> >
> >
> >Actually the man that bankrupted the Texas Rangers did a decent job as
> >governor. It was the governor he replaced that almost bankrupted Texas.
> >Ann Richards was her name and she was instrumental in starting up the
> >lottery in Texas to help keep Texas afloat.
> >
>
> Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is good at
> that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.
>

You seem to be re-writing history there Charlie. I don't recall Bush
having blamed the previous admin for much. However, throughout the
previous 8 years (and even as recently as last week), the illusterous
ex-president Clinton kept referring back to "undoing the damage of the
past 12 years" or "undoing the damage of Reagan/Bush"

nN

[email protected] (Nate Perkins)

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 9:43 PM

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The talk of adding a state income tax disappeared and highways and bridges
> began to be properly maintained again. In general people quit bitching
> about the governor and he was reelected by a wide margin.
...

Well, you forgot to mention that he cut taxes twice while Governor of
Texas. Of course after he left, Texas had the second largest state
deficit (only surpassed by California).

nN

[email protected] (Nate Perkins)

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

08/02/2004 6:49 PM

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Still better than those that preceded him in recent history and Texas has
> had deficit problems for years long before Bush was in office. Remember why
> we got the lottery?

Lots of states have lotteries, but few have the deficits that Texas
had. To claim that Texas' recent deficits are comparable to previous
years is simply not true.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

08/02/2004 4:09 PM

Still better than those that preceded him in recent history and Texas has
had deficit problems for years long before Bush was in office. Remember why
we got the lottery?


"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > The talk of adding a state income tax disappeared and highways and
bridges
> > began to be properly maintained again. In general people quit bitching
> > about the governor and he was reelected by a wide margin.
> ...
>
> Well, you forgot to mention that he cut taxes twice while Governor of
> Texas. Of course after he left, Texas had the second largest state
> deficit (only surpassed by California).

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

09/02/2004 4:26 AM



-- > Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is
good at
> that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
> nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

No charlie the clinton administration just sucked in every aspect and in
particular the interns....mjh

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 4:50 AM


"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is good
at
> that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.
>

No seriously, Bush was a refreshing change and things got better. His
current gig though is probably a bit of a stretch.


> Charlie Self
> "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
> nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

09/02/2004 4:16 PM

Mike Hide wrote:

> You might as well give up on this crowd they are true democrats when caught
> in one lie they just invent another...mjh
>
[snip]

Agreed. The Republican administration are the true democrats,
especially when it comes to justifying the war in Iraq.
j4

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 3:14 PM

The talk of adding a state income tax disappeared and highways and bridges
began to be properly maintained again. In general people quit bitching
about the governor and he was reelected by a wide margin.

At the time he was not real political, he seemed to want to make things
right and take advantages of federal tax dollars that were always offered
but in previous years forfeited because of red tape. He basically made good
on his promises.

RR

Renata

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

07/02/2004 9:07 AM

THings got better how?

Renata

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:50:16 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is good
>at
>> that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.
>>
>
>No seriously, Bush was a refreshing change and things got better. His
>current gig though is probably a bit of a stretch.
>
>
>> Charlie Self
>> "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
>> nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain
>>
>> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Renata on 07/02/2004 9:07 AM

07/02/2004 2:41 PM

Renata asks:

>
>THings got better how?
>
>Renata
>
>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:50:16 GMT, "Leon"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is good
>>at
>>> that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's fault.
>>>
>>
>>No seriously, Bush was a refreshing change and things got better.

In Texas, I think. I guess things did get better in the U.S., too, from one
point of view: he is faithful to his wife and only screws citizens.


Charlie Self
"We're 269 days from the election, and that's several political lifetimes."
TERRY HOLT, Bush campaign spokesman.


http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

11/02/2004 3:00 AM

jo4hn wrote:

> Agreed. The Republican administration are the true democrats,
> especially when it comes to justifying the war in Iraq.

Republicrats, Demublicans... I wouldn't give half a penny for the whole lot
of them.

Reminds me... I need to go find out who won our primary. I'm not a
Demublican or a Republicrat, but I voted in the primary.

Bill Cosby wasn't on the ballot for some reason.

Dang. No Jell-O pudding pops for us.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

MH

"Mike Hide"

in reply to "Leon" on 07/02/2004 1:19 AM

09/02/2004 4:30 AM

You might as well give up on this crowd they are true democrats when caught
in one lie they just invent another...mjh

--




"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Leon responds:
> >
> > >> Can't be much less qualified than the man who nearly bankrupted
Texas, did
> > >> bankrupt the Texas Rangers, and is aiming the country in the same
> > >direction.
> > >
> > >
> > >Actually the man that bankrupted the Texas Rangers did a decent job as
> > >governor. It was the governor he replaced that almost bankrupted
Texas.
> > >Ann Richards was her name and she was instrumental in starting up the
> > >lottery in Texas to help keep Texas afloat.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I know. It's always the fault of those who came before. Bush is
good at
> > that, too. Everything screwed up in his adminstration is Clinton's
fault.
> >
>
> You seem to be re-writing history there Charlie. I don't recall Bush
> having blamed the previous admin for much. However, throughout the
> previous 8 years (and even as recently as last week), the illusterous
> ex-president Clinton kept referring back to "undoing the damage of the
> past 12 years" or "undoing the damage of Reagan/Bush"

Kk

"KYHighlander"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

05/02/2004 4:35 PM

Some people believe everything they see on the internet

--

http://users.adelphia.net/~kyhighland


"Mark and Kim Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
> >ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
> >a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
> >it's heroes these days.
> >
> >BringEm,
> >Rushmore
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/
> >
>
> Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?
>

Ma

Mark and Kim Smith

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

05/02/2004 3:49 PM

[email protected] wrote:

>From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
>ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
>a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
>it's heroes these days.
>
>BringEm,
>Rushmore
>
>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/
>

Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

06/02/2004 1:51 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark and Kim Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>From a cheerleader at Philipps Andover to a draftdodger with his Guard
>>ruse during 'Nam, his no-show on 9/11 and to prancing on the deck of
>>a carrier pretending to be a warrior... this is how America creates
>>it's heroes these days.
>>
>>BringEm,
>>Rushmore
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/
>>
>
>Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?
>

Written by a blockhead, mebbid? <grin>

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to [email protected] on 05/02/2004 10:45 AM

05/02/2004 10:53 PM

Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?


Well silly, purple???

UA100

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Unisaw A100 on 05/02/2004 10:53 PM

05/02/2004 11:29 PM

UA100 responds:

>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>>Huh? I missed the part where this relates to woodworking?!?
>
>
>Well silly, purple???
>

Are you sure? I thought it four chimes this time, but my hearing is all messed
up (woodworking content).

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html


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