MD

Morris Dovey

11/06/2009 10:59 AM

A gloat and a reminder

Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
step inside to judge for themselves...

( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )

This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
have to think about it. :)

The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
to get started - you'll be glad you did.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html


This topic has 33 replies

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 6:41 PM


"Swingman" showed us this image
>
> http://e-woodshop.net/files/proud-brazilianholder.pdf
>
> --
Damn Karl, I had no idea that you were so
GRE-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-NNNNNNN!!


LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 2:10 PM


"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote

> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
> step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
> on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even have
> to think about it. :)
>
Good going Morris. Gotta get those head shots and tuxedos ready. You are
gonna be famous!!

A good magazine spread is excellent marketing material. Can you make a
contribution in any way? Are they going to talk to you?


LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 3:06 PM


"Robatoy" wrote ...
Morris Dovey wrote:
>l. I've learned to stop talking when peoples' eyes
> glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)
>
I Have similar experiences. I find that staying away from Thai curry
and a strong mint helps..<EG>
=============================

It might also help if you don't say anything. <g,d & r>


Pn

Phil

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

14/06/2009 4:27 PM

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:59:14 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:

Snip
>This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
>Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
>on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
>have to think about it. :)
>
>The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
>solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
>to get started - you'll be glad you did.

Congratulations Morris you deserve it. Hope you get plenty of sales,
keep up the good work.

Rgds Phil.

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 11:35 AM

Robatoy wrote:

> Sometimes these reviews/articles can create havoc. I speak from
> personal experience. HiFi Son magazine in Quebec gave me a glowing
> review of my first large-scale loudspeaker project. 2 Week delivery
> became 8 - 10 weeks and dealers got pissed off. That eventually
> righted itself, but still, the wasted potential still gnaws at me
> sometimes.

The article is scheduled for the August issue, and my plan is to build
as many panel bodies as I can before the article appears.

> You're a wise man and I'm sure you're aware of all that.
> So, how to slow down production? Hint: (raise the price) LOL

Not funny - you can't possibly imagine how difficult it's been to /not/
do that. Too many people already feel like worthwhile alternatives are
out of their reach.

BTW, you might e-mail me your suggestions as to how the rebates listed
on the order page might best be worded to extend them to Canadian
veterans. I didn't forget - I just didn't know how to phrase it.

> Gongratulations, you deserve that.

Thanks!

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 1:41 PM

Lee Michaels wrote:

> Good going Morris. Gotta get those head shots and tuxedos ready. You are
> gonna be famous!!

Thanks. I'm unlikely to ever be even a little bit famous, but the local
media has made a point of ignoring my little enterprise (they didn't
even bother to respond to news releases with invitations to advertise) -
so I'm hoping this'll help.

> A good magazine spread is excellent marketing material. Can you make a
> contribution in any way? Are they going to talk to you?

I think all they wanted from me was my blessing on their article - I
think they're done talking to me, which may not be an altogether bad
thing - I tend to go off the deep end with geekish explanations as to
/why/ they work so well. I've learned to stop talking when peoples' eyes
glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 1:58 PM

Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 11, 2:41 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> l. I've learned to stop talking when peoples' eyes
>> glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)
>
> I Have similar experiences. I find that staying away from Thai curry
> and a strong mint helps..<EG>

Yeah, well, trying to explain principles of black body behavior seems to
have about the same effect on most folks...

:-T

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 2:51 PM

Lew Hodgett wrote:

> They are going to include your contact info in the article aren't
> they?

Yuppers - location, phone, and web site URL.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 4:41 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> Can your web site handle a sudden 10x increase in load?

My ISP said: "No problem." (That would still be fairly small stuff
compared to his other clients' loads).

Strangely enough, most of the site's current activity is focused on the
solar engines and the woodworking projects, and this month most of that
activity has come from Brazil, France, and Italy. Go figure...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:21 PM

Tom Watson wrote:

> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/solar-energy/index.html?scp=3&sq=solar&st=cse

Good stuff there. Focused (as usual) on the generation of electricity,
which is typically less than 10% efficient, rather than on thermal
applications at 75-80% efficiency.

There's a lot of "low-hanging fruit" that's just being ignored...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:29 PM

karmstrn wrote:

> I like the idea of self-installing solar heating panels. If I had the
> money right now, I'd do it.

If you're a builder, why not DIY? If you're not a builder, build the
panel yourself and have a local carpenter install it for you.

I should have mentioned earlier - at http://www.builditsolar.com you can
find a wealth of ideas and plans...

...and visit my web site and see if anything there tickles your imagination.

And if you like my panels particularly well, read the last paragraph of
"fine print" on my ordering page. I'm doing my best to solve that
problem, too.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 9:02 PM

Han wrote:

> Congratulations, Morris!

Thank you. :)

> Unfortunately, my house is not oriented well for solar, and the HOA
> rules are in the way as well.

I remember your situation - and I'm still predicting that they'll amend
those rules.

> Please let us know when the magazine comes out and how to look at the
> article.

They say it's scheduled for the August issue, and it'll probably be hard
to get me to /stop/ talking. :-D

BTW, I've added a bit (drawings, photos, videos, and formulas) to the
fluidyne pages since we last talked about solar engines. You might find
Simon Popy's video on the "Related Projects Elsewhere" page especially
interesting...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/Stirling/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 10:34 PM

cm wrote:

> What great news. I hope it's a huge boost for you.

Thank you. I'd reached a point where /any/ news would have been great
news. It's frustrating to work on something new that solves a real
problem and not be effective at getting the word out (geeks make
notoriously poor salesmen, and vice versa).

I've been tempted to go out and get a CD of Sousa marches. :-)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 10:40 PM

Swingman wrote:

> Congratulations ... good things happen to good folks!

Thanks! Every once in a while my fairy godmother wakes up from her coma,
smacks me across the face with her wand, and goes back to sleep. :)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

kk

karmstrn

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 3:03 PM

On Jun 11, 10:59=A0am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
> step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
> on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
> have to think about it. :)
>
> The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
> solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
> to get started - you'll be glad you did.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

I like the idea of self-installing solar heating panels. If I had the
money right now, I'd do it.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 2:48 PM

On Jun 11, 5:41=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Can your web site handle a sudden 10x increase in load?
>
> My ISP said: "No problem." (That would still be fairly small stuff
> compared to his other clients' loads).
>
> Strangely enough, most of the site's current activity is focused on the
> solar engines and the woodworking projects, and this month most of that
> activity has come from Brazil, France, and Italy. Go figure...
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

mmm, I thought the Brazilians we more into shaving other things
besides energy costs...

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 4:15 PM

Morris Dovey wrote:
> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
> step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
> on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
> have to think about it. :)
>
> The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
> solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
> to get started - you'll be glad you did.

Congratulations ... good things happen to good folks!

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 7:34 PM


"Morris Dovey" wrote:

> I think all they wanted from me was my blessing on their article - I
> think they're done talking to me, which may not be an altogether bad
> thing

They are going to include your contact info in the article aren't
they?

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 11:03 PM


"Robatoy" wrote:
======================================
mmm, I thought the Brazilians we more into shaving other things
besides energy costs...
=====================================

Or maybe this:

http://tinyurl.com/ko36ve


Hn

Han

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 12:52 AM

Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them
> to step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature
> article on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I
> didn't even have to think about it. :)
>
> The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building
> some solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time
> of year to get started - you'll be glad you did.
>
Congratulations, Morris!
Unfortunately, my house is not oriented well for solar, and the HOA
rules are in the way as well.

Please let us know when the magazine comes out and how to look at the
article.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 11:25 AM

Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Morris!
>
> Thank you. :)
>
>> Unfortunately, my house is not oriented well for solar, and the HOA
>> rules are in the way as well.
>
> I remember your situation - and I'm still predicting that they'll
> amend those rules.
>
>> Please let us know when the magazine comes out and how to look at the
>> article.
>
> They say it's scheduled for the August issue, and it'll probably be
> hard to get me to /stop/ talking. :-D
>
> BTW, I've added a bit (drawings, photos, videos, and formulas) to the
> fluidyne pages since we last talked about solar engines. You might
> find Simon Popy's video on the "Related Projects Elsewhere" page
> especially interesting...
>

Thanks, Morris, later perhaps. Got to work today <grin>

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

ch

"cm"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 5:13 AM

Morris,

What great news. I hope it's a huge boost for you.

cm


"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
> step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
> on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even have
> to think about it. :)
>
> The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
> solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
> to get started - you'll be glad you did.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 8:08 PM

Morris Dovey wrote:

>I've learned to stop talking when peoples' eyes
> glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)

Basic rule of public speaking:

The mind can absorb what the ass can endure.

Lew

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 12:55 PM

On Jun 11, 3:06=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote ...
> =A0Morris Dovey =A0wrote:>l. I've learned to stop talking when peoples' e=
yes
> > glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)
>
> I Have similar experiences. I find that staying away from Thai curry
> and a strong mint helps..<EG>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> It might also help if you don't say anything. <g,d & r>

Now was THAT nice?

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 4:21 PM

Tom Watson wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> mmm, I thought the Brazilians we more into shaving other things
>> besides energy costs...
>
>
> nah. when dubya was told that 100 brazillions were killed in a
> natural disaster, he broke down.
>
> then he asked cheney:
>
> "how many people are in a brazillion?"

http://e-woodshop.net/files/proud-brazilianholder.pdf

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:48 PM

On Jun 11, 7:03=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> mmm, I thought the Brazilians we more into shaving other things
> besides energy costs...
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Or maybe this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ko36ve

I got into 1 minute of it till I saw there was another 29 minutes to
go... just ain't got that kinda time...

Sorry, Lew. I never really graduated from the lingerie section of old
Sears catalogues. In retrospect, I blame those scantily clad women for
leading me to the tool section. (PS, I made that shit up, because
there were no Sears Catalogues where I grew up.)

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 9:13 AM

On Jun 11, 11:59=A0am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
> County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
> past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
> building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
> step inside to judge for themselves...
>
> ( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
> This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
> Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
> on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
> have to think about it. :)
>
> The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
> solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
> to get started - you'll be glad you did.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

That's pretty cool, Morris. Thumbs ^up^
Have you decided on the colour of Porsche yet? <G>

Sometimes these reviews/articles can create havoc. I speak from
personal experience. HiFi Son magazine in Quebec gave me a glowing
review of my first large-scale loudspeaker project. 2 Week delivery
became 8 - 10 weeks and dealers got pissed off. That eventually
righted itself, but still, the wasted potential still gnaws at me
sometimes.

You're a wise man and I'm sure you're aware of all that.
So, how to slow down production? Hint: (raise the price) LOL

Gongratulations, you deserve that.

n

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:31 PM

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:59:14 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
>County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
>past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
>building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
>step inside to judge for themselves...
>
>( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
>This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
>Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
>on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
>have to think about it. :)
>
>The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
>solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
>to get started - you'll be glad you did.

Excellent reward for your research on fusion heating ;-)

Can your web site handle a sudden 10x increase in load?

John

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 11:46 AM

On Jun 11, 2:41=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>l. I've learned to stop talking when peoples' eyes
> glaze over and/or they act squirmy. :)
>

I Have similar experiences. I find that staying away from Thai curry
and a strong mint helps..<EG>

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 9:45 PM

Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Swingman" showed us this image
>> http://e-woodshop.net/files/proud-brazilianholder.pdf
>>
>> --
> Damn Karl, I had no idea that you were so
> GRE-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-NNNNNNN!!

LOL ... you don't know the half-brazilian of it.


--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

12/06/2009 12:56 AM

"Robatoy" wrote:

=================================
I got into 1 minute of it till I saw there was another 29 minutes to
go... just ain't got that kinda time...

There is a slow day coming in the old top shop<grin>

> http://tinyurl.com/ko36ve

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:51 PM

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:59:14 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Some magazine folks were visiting one of my customers down in Madison
>County (of covered bridge fame) to take photos at his place early this
>past winter, and were intrigued the solar heating panels on his shop
>building. When they asked if the panels did any good, he invited them to
>step inside to judge for themselves...
>
>( It was 20F outdoors and 75F indoors. )
>
>This week I got a call from Merideth Publishing's "Country Living
>Magazine" asking if it would be ok with me if they ran a feature article
>on the panels that would go out to 200,000 subscribers. I didn't even
>have to think about it. :)
>
>The reminder part: If you've been thinking seriously about building some
>solar panels to heat your shop or garage, this is the right time of year
>to get started - you'll be glad you did.



http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/solar-energy/index.html?scp=3&sq=solar&st=cse





Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to Morris Dovey on 11/06/2009 10:59 AM

11/06/2009 5:59 PM

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:


>mmm, I thought the Brazilians we more into shaving other things
>besides energy costs...


nah. when dubya was told that 100 brazillions were killed in a
natural disaster, he broke down.

then he asked cheney:

"how many people are in a brazillion?"



Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/


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