No More Oil Based Paint???

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:19:55 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient by
>> most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for cleaning are
>> a
>> challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.
>
>I have to disagree with you here. My partner and I pant probably 3 houses a
>year on average. We much prefer oil based paints for clean up. Thinner
>will clean a brush 5 times faster than soap and water will clean latex pased
>paints. We use both and much prefer oil based at clean up time. We do all
>woodwork with oil based and all walls with latex.

I painted houses full time for a few years, mainly Victorians,
back in the days when "NL" was still proudly known as
National Lead Industries :-) Like you, we usually used oil
on the outside, latex on the inside. Cleanup *was* quicker
after oil but some of our customers didn't appreciate the
smell. Since we used expensive brushes we had to clean
well. . But nowadays most do-it-yourselfers are either
going to throw away the brushes and rollers when they are done,
or toss them out when they go to use them again a year or
two later and find out that they're stiff because they weren't
cleaned enough the last time around: they're usually cheap gear
anyway. Couple that with the fact that oil paint is a pain to deal
with on clothes, floors, and other things it's spilled on unless
you deal with it right away, it's not surprising that box stores
are phasing out oil paint.

Find a paint store, a real paint store not a big box with a paint
department and ask for Graham Paint. Highest quality alkyd paints I have
ever used.

Roger


"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture that
>will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and it will
>get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>
> I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling oil
> based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
> available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin Williams
> and got the same story.
>
> Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
> paying attention to?
> What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net

Alky refers to the soy resins used in the paint not a dryer.

Roger


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient by
>> most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for cleaning are
>> a
>> challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.
>
> I have to disagree with you here. My partner and I pant probably 3 houses
> a year on average. We much prefer oil based paints for clean up. Thinner
> will clean a brush 5 times faster than soap and water will clean latex
> pased paints. We use both and much prefer oil based at clean up time. We
> do all woodwork with oil based and all walls with latex.
>
>>
>> This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as
>> well
>> be a reaction to other 'market' forces.
>>
>> I prefer the look of alkyd, and the lasting ability.
>
> The Alkyd is a dryer and should not change the appearance of the paint.
> Do you actually prefer the look an oil based finish to a latex finish?
>
>
>
>

> I can't remember the name of the stuff we used to buy as an
> additive... senior moment... but it made the paint flow and lay out
> like the old days... I'll have to ask my brother the painter...


Was it Penetrol?

Roger

Yah, but not one of my favorites. Go to one where the owner actually
works in the store.


"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Roger amd Missy Behnke wrote:
>> Find a paint store, a real paint store not a big box with a paint
>> department and ask for Graham Paint. Highest quality alkyd paints I
>> have ever used.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture
>>>that will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and
>>>it will get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>>>
>>>I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling oil
>>>based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
>>>available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin
>>>Williams and got the same story.
>>>
>>>Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
>>>paying attention to?
>>>What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>>>
>>>Thanks all.
>>>
>>>Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net
>>
>>
>>
> Is Sherwin Williams not a real paint store?

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:29:11 -0500, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:

>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture
>that will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and
>it will get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>
>I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling
>oil based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
>available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin
>Williams and got the same story.
>
>Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
>paying attention to?
>What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>
>Thanks all.
>
>Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net

thank the EPA... some assholes in Washington decided that breathing
was more important than the smooth flowing, no brush mark paint we
know and love..

Actually, the current "oil base" paint is kinda like using snot if
you've used "real" paint in the olde daze...

I quit painting trim with a brush when they started using "latex
enamel"...
right... sorta like hiring a "criminal attorney"..

>That's a great idea. Any idea as to proportions or should I experimant.

it seems the more the better. but since it waters down the paint it becomes a
problem too. I usually added as much as I could till the paint just covered. the
paint will dry faster and usually smoother too and far harder.
I have used this method on walls too and it sure makes the plaint scrubbable.

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 05:47:01 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:

>mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I quit painting trim with a brush when they started using "latex
>> enamel"...
>>
>
>So how do you suggest repainting, when you get tired of Navajo Sand, or
>Antique White trim?
>
>I don't believe that an Apollo 900 is quite THAT free from overspray.
>
>If I could avoid brushing, I would. I've been a fan of airless since the
>late 70's, when I was introduced to the Binks Super Bee (sp?) by some
>painting pro friends of mine. But that was out of doors, and not on a
>windy day.
>
>Enlighten me some more, oh experienced one! I have the interiors of two
>houses to repaint!
>
>Patriarch

We use my neighbors airless... not a lot more masking then you'd do
with a brush and a lot faster... most of the painters that I've talked
to only brush the trim if the client insists on it and will pay more..

Also, I might try that idea of adding water based poly... might give
it an "oil base" feel....

Use floor paint.

"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture that
>will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and it will
>get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>
> I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling oil
> based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
> available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin Williams
> and got the same story.
>
> Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
> paying attention to?
> What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net

patriarch wrote:

> cans of paint. (Two gloss levels on the white) And my wife has become
> enamoured of the faux and decorator artsy treatments.

I'm sorry. You have my sympathy. Maybe we should start a support group for
the husbands of wives who watch too many home decorator TV shows.

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:20:56 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Funny you should mention that. Sears Best Weatherbrater has Polyurethane in
>it now. It is GREAT paint and covers well. Flows well and goes a long way.

I should get some money I thought of this 15 years ago.

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"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:22:49 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> Leon. read the OP. They said they tried Sherwin Williams, and were
> told no.
>


Yeah I saw that but I still buy oil based at the Sherwin Williams in
Houston. Local environmental laws may regulate where you can buy oil based
paints.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:48:57 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Maybe we should start a support group for
>the husbands of wives who watch too many home decorator TV shows.

My ex- went to school with Linda Barker. One of our later rows was
over some shelves (copied from Changing Rooms) that I'd built into an
alcove in our 60 year old house. Not a bad piece of work, and
beautifully fitted into the less-than-square corners. But of course
Handy-fecking-Andy could have built them in half an hour on the telly,
_and_ he'd have relaid the whole garden lawn on the Sunday too. It had
taken me months to do this, so clearly I was being lazy. Or maybe it
was because it was _Winter_ outside.

Friend of mine's wife spends the whole day watching the house-porn
channel and never moves from the couch. You can't even move in the
lounge for eBay boxes.

mix a little water based poly into the paint this will harden the surface by
quite a bit and it will not stick to anything.

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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:43:06 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:48:57 -0500, Silvan
>> <[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>I think that relationship advice from this newsgroup MIGHT be as suspect as
>that dispensed on daytime television!
>
>And none even comes with a safety warning, ala Norm.
>
>Let's just say that there is more than one way to lose a body part...

So wear one of these <tap tap> safety cups in your drahs!

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"Kevin" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
news:[email protected]...
> I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture
> that will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and
> it will get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>
> I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling
> oil based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
> available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin
> Williams and got the same story.
>
> Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
> paying attention to?
> What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>
> Thanks all.


Mix it yourself.
All ingredients in a good alkyd-paint are readily available
in the market, and any oldfashioned painter knows the receipes.

In my youth, painters made most their paints in-shop.
The simplest is boiled linseed oil and pigmentpowder
and thinner to please.

Bjarte

Ba r r y wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:55:47 GMT, patriarch
> <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as well
>>be a reaction to other 'market' forces.
>
>
> It may also simply be a BORG thing, or a state thing. My local paint
> stores here in CT haven't said anything about it. I use oil based
> ceiling paint on a regular basis over popcorn.
>
> Barry
>
Personally I like butter or olive oil on popcorn but oil based paint-
that's gotta have a weird taste.

Rick

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:12:40 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> The EPA has prohibited so many solvents and driers that the paint just
> doesn't flow or dry the same as it used to.... most products seem to
> get less expensive and more advanced with time, I think the process is
> the opposite with oil base paint... (can't say that I miss the lead,
> tho...)
> I can't remember the name of the stuff we used to buy as an
> additive... senior moment... but it made the paint flow and lay out
> like the old days... I'll have to ask my brother the painter...

When I use Oil based, I use Manor Hall, Pratt& Lambert or Sherwin Williams
best paints. The pro paint stores still sell the additive to make the paint
flow well but I have not used it with any of the 3 I mentioned. They flow
well and it is like painting with liquid plastic. These paints are
expensive though. They generally cost about $40 per gallon but I can to all
interior doors and trim with 1 gallon on an average sized house.

"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net
>
> thank the EPA... some assholes in Washington decided that breathing
> was more important than the smooth flowing, no brush mark paint we
> know and love..

Umm I think that is probably left up to the individual state. I have no
problems finding oil based myself.


>
> Actually, the current "oil base" paint is kinda like using snot if
> you've used "real" paint in the olde daze...

Huh? Are you thinning it down? Like old oil based, I still have to use a
bit of thinner to get the paint to the right consistancy.

Bjarte Runderheim wrote:
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture
>>that will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and
>>it will get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>>
>>I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling
>>oil based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
>>available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin
>>Williams and got the same story.
>>
>>Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
>>paying attention to?
>>What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>>
>>Thanks all.
>
>
>
> Mix it yourself.
> All ingredients in a good alkyd-paint are readily available
> in the market, and any oldfashioned painter knows the receipes.
>
> In my youth, painters made most their paints in-shop.
> The simplest is boiled linseed oil and pigmentpowder
> and thinner to please.
>
> Bjarte

I will give that a try if need be. I make my own wood finishes but I
never thought to give making my own paint a try.

Sweet!

Think I'll be able to buy lead paint again?


"Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now that the radical republicans are in power, all of those useless
> environmental laws will be repealed and the good old polluting finishes
will
> be available again.
>
> --
>
> Rumpty
>
>

Lead paint, sure! There is no no no no no no o no proof lead is badddd for
you...

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"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:MRajd.1991$EE3.1546@trndny09...
> Sweet!
>
> Think I'll be able to buy lead paint again?
>
>
> "Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Now that the radical republicans are in power, all of those useless
> > environmental laws will be repealed and the good old polluting finishes
> will
> > be available again.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Rumpty
> >
> >
>
>

Kevin <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture
> that will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and
> it will get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>
> I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling
> oil based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
> available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin
> Williams and got the same story.
>
> Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
> paying attention to?
> What can I use as a replacement if this happens?

Supposition here:

Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient by
most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for cleaning are a
challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.

This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as well
be a reaction to other 'market' forces.

I prefer the look of alkyd, and the lasting ability. However, because I
end up fitting painting in around the rest of life, water-based is what
gets used.

Let us know what you find out, please.

Patriarch

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient
>> by most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for
>> cleaning are a
>> challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.
>
> I have to disagree with you here. My partner and I paint probably 3
> houses a year on average. We much prefer oil based paints for clean
> up. Thinner will clean a brush 5 times faster than soap and water
> will clean latex pased paints. We use both and much prefer oil based
> at clean up time. We do all woodwork with oil based and all walls
> with latex.

That's the combination I like best.
>
>>
>> This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as
>> well be a reaction to other 'market' forces.
>>
>> I prefer the look of alkyd, and the lasting ability.
>
> The Alkyd is a dryer and should not change the appearance of the
> paint. Do you actually prefer the look an oil based finish to a latex
> finish?
>

I seem to have gotten the terms wrong, using alkyd instead of oil-based.

My painting is homeowner type, one room at a time, typically three colors,
two coats each. (Two wall colors, white ceiling & trim) Four different
cans of paint. (Two gloss levels on the white) And my wife has become
enamoured of the faux and decorator artsy treatments.

At least it's not wall paper very often any more.

Working as a pro, and recycling solvents properly, I agree with your
assessment. But, for me, painting three door jambs, and 60 ft of crown,
and then cleaning up, and doing it over and over again, and getting
interrupted because 'that green isn't what I thought I wanted', etc., makes
me grateful for water cleanup.

Keep doing things the way that is successful for you.

Patriarch

mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I quit painting trim with a brush when they started using "latex
> enamel"...
>

So how do you suggest repainting, when you get tired of Navajo Sand, or
Antique White trim?

I don't believe that an Apollo 900 is quite THAT free from overspray.

If I could avoid brushing, I would. I've been a fan of airless since the
late 70's, when I was introduced to the Binks Super Bee (sp?) by some
painting pro friends of mine. But that was out of doors, and not on a
windy day.

Enlighten me some more, oh experienced one! I have the interiors of two
houses to repaint!

Patriarch

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:48:57 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
>>patriarch wrote:
>>
>>> cans of paint. (Two gloss levels on the white) And my wife has
>>> become enamoured of the faux and decorator artsy treatments.
>>
>>I'm sorry. You have my sympathy. Maybe we should start a support
>>group for the husbands of wives who watch too many home decorator TV
>>shows.
>
> Married wimps^H^H^H^H^Hmen should do the Tough Love thing.
> Lock out the channels via the remote using a password the
> wife wouldn't know.
>

I think that relationship advice from this newsgroup MIGHT be as suspect as
that dispensed on daytime television!

And none even comes with a safety warning, ala Norm.

Let's just say that there is more than one way to lose a body part...

Patriarch,
31.5 years and counting, and smiling. Some things are worth the
pain^H^H^H^Hinvestment.

Now that the radical republicans are in power, all of those useless
environmental laws will be repealed and the good old polluting finishes will
be available again.

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Funny you should mention that. Sears Best Weatherbrater has Polyurethane in
it now. It is GREAT paint and covers well. Flows well and goes a long way.


"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> mix a little water based poly into the paint this will harden the surface
> by
> quite a bit and it will not stick to anything.
>
> --
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> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:55:47 GMT, patriarch
> <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as well
>>be a reaction to other 'market' forces.
>
> It may also simply be a BORG thing, or a state thing. My local paint
> stores here in CT haven't said anything about it. I use oil based
> ceiling paint on a regular basis over popcorn.

I think with the exception of California, it is the type of store you buy
from that determines whether you can get oil based or not. In Houston, you
cannot get oil based paints from Sears but you can from Sherwin Williams,
the maker of Sears paint. I think the stores that attract the average home
owner will typically sell more latex paint. The pro stores sell more oil
based for interior trim.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:55:47 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:

>This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as well
>be a reaction to other 'market' forces.

It may also simply be a BORG thing, or a state thing. My local paint
stores here in CT haven't said anything about it. I use oil based
ceiling paint on a regular basis over popcorn.

Barry

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:07:01 -0500, "Roger amd Missy Behnke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> I can't remember the name of the stuff we used to buy as an
>> additive... senior moment... but it made the paint flow and lay out
>> like the old days... I'll have to ask my brother the painter...
>
>
>Was it Penetrol?
>
>Roger
>
YES!! great stuff....

I owe ya one, Roger, I don't have to call my brother now!

Larry Jaques wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:48:57 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
>>patriarch wrote:
>>
>>> cans of paint. (Two gloss levels on the white) And my wife has become
>>> enamoured of the faux and decorator artsy treatments.
>>
>>I'm sorry. You have my sympathy. Maybe we should start a support group
>>for the husbands of wives who watch too many home decorator TV shows.
>
> Married wimps^H^H^H^H^Hmen should do the Tough Love thing.
> Lock out the channels via the remote using a password the
> wife wouldn't know.

Make sure you buy a comfortable mattress for the doghouse before you do.

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"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient by
> most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for cleaning are
> a
> challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.

I have to disagree with you here. My partner and I pant probably 3 houses a
year on average. We much prefer oil based paints for clean up. Thinner
will clean a brush 5 times faster than soap and water will clean latex pased
paints. We use both and much prefer oil based at clean up time. We do all
woodwork with oil based and all walls with latex.

>
> This MAY be a byproduct of environmental legislation, but may just as well
> be a reaction to other 'market' forces.
>
> I prefer the look of alkyd, and the lasting ability.

The Alkyd is a dryer and should not change the appearance of the paint. Do
you actually prefer the look an oil based finish to a latex finish?

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:55:50 GMT, Ba r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>
> I use oil based ceiling paint on a regular basis over popcorn.
>
>Barry

<humor>

You might try butter. It tastes a whole lot better, IMHO...

</humor>

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:22:49 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Leon. read the OP. They said they tried Sherwin Williams, and were
told no.

>I think with the exception of California, it is the type of store you buy
>from that determines whether you can get oil based or not. In Houston, you
>cannot get oil based paints from Sears but you can from Sherwin Williams,
>the maker of Sears paint. I think the stores that attract the average home
>owner will typically sell more latex paint. The pro stores sell more oil
>based for interior trim.
>

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Roger amd Missy Behnke wrote:
> Find a paint store, a real paint store not a big box with a paint
> department and ask for Graham Paint. Highest quality alkyd paints I have
> ever used.
>
> Roger
>
>
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I use oil based paint, alkyd, for bookcases and any painted furniture that
>>will be in contact with paper. Latex has an affinity for paper and it will
>>get stuck on it. Alkyds don’t have this problem.
>>
>>I’ve been informed by the local big boxes that they no longer selling oil
>>based paints, other than floor and deck, and they will no longer be
>>available after the first of the year. I went to my local Sherwin Williams
>>and got the same story.
>>
>>Has anyone else heard this? Have I missed something I should have been
>>paying attention to?
>>What can I use as a replacement if this happens?
>>
>>Thanks all.
>>
>>Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net
>
>
>
Is Sherwin Williams not a real paint store?

Steve Knight wrote:
> mix a little water based poly into the paint this will harden the surface by
> quite a bit and it will not stick to anything.
>
Steve,
That's a great idea. Any idea as to proportions or should I experimant.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 05:17:41 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Oil-based is a great product, but is considered much less convenient
>>> by most painters, professional and otherwise. The solvents for
>>> cleaning are a
>>> challenge, compared to cleanup with soap and water.

(to whom it may concern, I lost track of the attribution)

Method: Keep 2 cans of solvent cycled with a spare clean one.
Wipe off the dirty brush on old newapaper to get the bulk of
the paint off. Then dip into the first can of solvent vigorously.
This cleans off the bulk of the paint you missed with the paper.
Now wipe on newspaper again to dry and remove more paint. Next dip
into the second clean can of solvent, rinsing clean. Hang dry.

After the paint settles in both cans, decant into the 3rd can
for reuse. Let the first can dry out and it can be tossed into
the garbage or recycled, as can the dried papers. Use the can
of semi-used thinner as the first-dip can contents next time
you need to clean up. Thinner can be reused quite a few times
if you let it settle overnight.


>But, for me, painting three door jambs, and 60 ft of crown,
>and then cleaning up, and doing it over and over again, and
>getting interrupted because 'that green isn't what I thought
>I wanted', etc., makes me grateful for water cleanup.

Right about that time, I'd have said something like this:

"OK, Honey. Here are the keys and the CC. The car is in the driveway,
the paint store is on 5th and Main, the ladder is still in the living
room, and the paint supplies are on the floor next to the ladder. Have
fun figuring out whatever it is that you want and then doing it. I'll
be in the den watching the game/reading a good book/vegging out."

--
The State always moves slowly and grudgingly towards any purpose that
accrues to society's advantage, but moves rapidly and with alacrity
towards one that accrues to its own advantage; nor does it ever move
towards social purposes on its own initiative, but only under heavy
pressure, while its motion towards anti-social purposes is self-sprung.
- Albert Jay Nock
- http://diversify.com Web Programming for curmudgeons and others. -

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:37:29 -0500, "Rumpty" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Lead paint, sure! There is no no no no no no o no proof lead is badddd for
>you...
damn right, bro... gimme three..

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:12:40 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>Kevin-at-rileyhome-dot-net
>>
>> thank the EPA... some assholes in Washington decided that breathing
>> was more important than the smooth flowing, no brush mark paint we
>> know and love..
>
>Umm I think that is probably left up to the individual state. I have no
>problems finding oil based myself.
>
>
>>
>> Actually, the current "oil base" paint is kinda like using snot if
>> you've used "real" paint in the olde daze...
>
>Huh? Are you thinning it down? Like old oil based, I still have to use a
>bit of thinner to get the paint to the right consistancy.
>
>
yeah, you can thin it... actually most paint should be thinned, but
that's not the problem in my case..

The EPA has prohibited so many solvents and driers that the paint just
doesn't flow or dry the same as it used to.... most products seem to
get less expensive and more advanced with time, I think the process is
the opposite with oil base paint... (can't say that I miss the lead,
tho...)
I can't remember the name of the stuff we used to buy as an
additive... senior moment... but it made the paint flow and lay out
like the old days... I'll have to ask my brother the painter...

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:48:57 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>patriarch wrote:
>
>> cans of paint. (Two gloss levels on the white) And my wife has become
>> enamoured of the faux and decorator artsy treatments.
>
>I'm sorry. You have my sympathy. Maybe we should start a support group for
>the husbands of wives who watch too many home decorator TV shows.

Married wimps^H^H^H^H^Hmen should do the Tough Love thing.
Lock out the channels via the remote using a password the
wife wouldn't know.

--
The State always moves slowly and grudgingly towards any purpose that
accrues to society's advantage, but moves rapidly and with alacrity
towards one that accrues to its own advantage; nor does it ever move
towards social purposes on its own initiative, but only under heavy
pressure, while its motion towards anti-social purposes is self-sprung.
- Albert Jay Nock
- http://diversify.com Web Programming for curmudgeons and others. -

"Roger amd Missy Behnke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alky refers to the soy resins used in the paint not a dryer.


I stand corrected....