We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as keep the
lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground. Does
anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together end to
end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am wondering
if that's the best way.
We experience approximately a 100F difference in temperature throughout the
year, so expansion and contraction will be an issue.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:33:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques
>>><[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>>>
>>>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>>>
>>>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find
>>>out
>>>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>>
>>>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>>>
>>>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>>>
>>>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>>>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
>>
>> Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
>> firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
>> could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
>> have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
>> barred from it.
>>
>
>And the Shakespeare quote is taken out of context. Virtually every time it
>is used, it is used wrongly.
At least people are consistent, wot? <vbg>
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>
>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>
>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>-----------------------------------------
>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>
>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>
>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find out
that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>It simply is CYA time.
>
>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated
> wood
> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as
> keep the
> lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>
> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground.
> Does
> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together
> end to
> end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am
> wondering
> if that's the best way.
-------------------------------------------
If I understand your description, it describes a serious accident
waiting to happen UNLESS the mulch area is large enough to allow a kid
to jump off a swing in motion and still land in a mulch area without
hitting a 4x6..
Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
Think I would find an alternate solution.
YMMV
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bfeb9cd$0$28396
[email protected]:
>
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated
>> wood
>> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as
>> keep the
>> lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>>
>> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground.
>> Does
>> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together
>> end to
>> end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am
>> wondering
>> if that's the best way.
> -------------------------------------------
> If I understand your description, it describes a serious accident
> waiting to happen UNLESS the mulch area is large enough to allow a kid
> to jump off a swing in motion and still land in a mulch area without
> hitting a 4x6..
>
> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>
> Think I would find an alternate solution.
>
> YMMV
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Making the mulch area big enough for jump range is something I hadn't
thought about. We were naturally going to add several feet (5-8ish) for
landing zones and the like, but had no general rule of thumb.
I think a 4x6 is within most people's "hazard detection range." It is a
tripping hazard, sure, but so is the blue line on an ice rink. Maybe a
6x6 would be better, as it's less likely for the grass on the outside to
cover it.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Gerald Ross <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I drilled holes and drove lengths of rebar through into the ground. If
> you do this make sure you countersink the rebar.
>
> The school here used what appears to be 6 inch PVC pipe. Not sure how
> they fastened it to the ground so it won't slide. I think this is not
> a good thing because kids WILL try to walk on it and slip off and
> fall.
>
The rebar is a good second option. It's no problem to drill through and
pound some rebar in the ground, then cover the hole with some silicone.
Adults are the ones who have trouble with the 6" falls... The pipe will
probably keep a lot of kids off once they discover they can't walk on it,
but the more daring ones will keep trying again and again.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Puckdropper" wrote:
>
> Making the mulch area big enough for jump range is something I
> hadn't
> thought about. We were naturally going to add several feet (5-8ish)
> for
> landing zones and the like, but had no general rule of thumb.
>
> I think a 4x6 is within most people's "hazard detection range." It
> is a
> tripping hazard, sure, but so is the blue line on an ice rink.
> Maybe a
> 6x6 would be better, as it's less likely for the grass on the
> outside to
> cover it.
-------------------------------------------
If you want to keep the mulch and grass separated, consider the
following:
Concrete patio blocks.
They are about 8"x16"x2" thick, come in colors and can be arranged in
a geometric pattern. (Think mini sidewalk)
Also have half sizes available.
Prep the "mini sidewalk" area by removing the grass, laying down some
plastic to keep the weeds out, then some sand for a base for the patio
blocks.
Joint between the blocks with more sand.
Will keep the grass from coming across the blocks, be flush with the
ground, and provide a surface for the lawnmower wheel when you mow.
Time for a brew.
You'll have earned it.
BTDT, don't need the T-Shirt.
Lew
RP <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Years ago I built playgrounds for a living and we were required to use
> 2- 6x6's stacked on top of each other staggered and used timber spikes
> 3/8's or so thick 12" long and pre-drilled 5/16 holes. We ~had~ to use
> "Woodcarpet" TM not mulch (too many twigs to poke an eye out) 12"
> deep which would pack down to 8"-10" eventually. I think you will find
> that 4" will pack down to 2-3" which is practically no use at all as
> far as fall safety. If I were you I would use your 4x6's stacked 2
> high for 8" or so and try to pile your safety surface to 8". 8' is
> code off of swings and slides as far as length away from the ends
> them. You do not have to do any of these as far as I know for a
> homeowner type of project. BTW, an 8" high wall is not a trip hazard,
> it's a real long balancing beam. Take all this with a grain of salt
> and do as you please.
>
> RP
Thanks RP, we're looking at the newish rubber "mulch" for the area, and
as I understand it there only needs to be half the material thickness for
the same basic effect as regular wood mulch.
As I look more at this, I'm convinced we need to go deeper than a single
layer of 4x6. It simplifies things regarding keeping the pieces in
place, and would probably be nicer to sit on.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bff0101$0$6611
[email protected]:
> If you want to keep the mulch and grass separated, consider the
> following:
>
> Concrete patio blocks.
>
> They are about 8"x16"x2" thick, come in colors and can be arranged in
> a geometric pattern. (Think mini sidewalk)
>
> Also have half sizes available.
>
> Prep the "mini sidewalk" area by removing the grass, laying down some
> plastic to keep the weeds out, then some sand for a base for the patio
> blocks.
>
> Joint between the blocks with more sand.
>
> Will keep the grass from coming across the blocks, be flush with the
> ground, and provide a surface for the lawnmower wheel when you mow.
>
> Time for a brew.
>
> You'll have earned it.
>
> BTDT, don't need the T-Shirt.
>
> Lew
>
It's an interesting idea, but I don't know how effective it would be in
this scenario. The mulch would inevitably be kicked out by kids playing,
which seems less likely with a little spare room at the top like a deeper
wall provides.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> It's an interesting idea, but I don't know how effective it would be
> in
> this scenario. The mulch would inevitably be kicked out by kids
> playing,
> which seems less likely with a little spare room at the top like a
> deeper
> wall provides.
-----------------------------------
Are you going to have an entry opening(s) in the proposed fence to
allow the kids to get into the swing area without having to step over
the fence?
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bff5e30$0$28333
[email protected]:
>
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> It's an interesting idea, but I don't know how effective it would be
>> in
>> this scenario. The mulch would inevitably be kicked out by kids
>> playing,
>> which seems less likely with a little spare room at the top like a
>> deeper
>> wall provides.
>
> -----------------------------------
> Are you going to have an entry opening(s) in the proposed fence to
> allow the kids to get into the swing area without having to step over
> the fence?
>
> Lew
>
>
No, the border should be quite short (7-12") so it should easily be
stepped on or over.
I think I see where you're going here... An entry in the border would
allow the mulch to be kicked out just as easily as the sidewalk border.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 5/28/10 11:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>> salad days of youth.
>>
>
> Funny stuff.
>
>
>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>
> I agree. In some of the parks/neighborhoods around here you see kids on
> bikes, wearing what is essential body armor. A helmet on a skateboard, I
> understand and support. But you see these tiny kids on bikes with
> training wheels, and they can hardly walk or stand up straight with all
> the padding.
>
>
Like George Carlin said, "We built up our immune system by swimming in raw
sewage".
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
> trip hazard, yada yada"
-----------------------------------------
It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
It simply is CYA time.
Lew
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> No, the border should be quite short (7-12") so it should easily be
> stepped on or over.
>
> I think I see where you're going here... An entry in the border
> would
> allow the mulch to be kicked out just as easily as the sidewalk
> border.
-------------------------------------------
Actually, was thinking of a safe way to have an 18"-24" high border
that would be readily visible thus muting the liability issue.
If you provide an entry way with a mini sidewalk, you solve the
liability issue as well as keeping the mulch in place.
Let the sidewalk project about 3 ft out into the yard that would
providing a 3'x3' landing spot for any mulch that gets kicked out of
the swing area..
Every time you cut the grass, sweep any mulch that found the sidewalk
bay into the swing area before you cut the grass.
My guess is that after a couple of weeks the mulch will be matted
enough to basically stay in place.
Another idea would be to plant Boxwood shrubs that would form a hedge.
They have no "prickers".
Don't know what the cost would be, but after a couple of years, you
wouldn't have any wood to maintain, just a soft hedge to trim
annually.
Just some thoughts.
Lew
On 2010-05-28 15:52:26 -0400, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> said:
> Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
> wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
Oh, about a $35 wound for a walk-behind. You can put a price on suffering!
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c008042$0$15764
[email protected]:
>
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> No, the border should be quite short (7-12") so it should easily be
>> stepped on or over.
>>
>> I think I see where you're going here... An entry in the border
>> would
>> allow the mulch to be kicked out just as easily as the sidewalk
>> border.
> -------------------------------------------
> Actually, was thinking of a safe way to have an 18"-24" high border
> that would be readily visible thus muting the liability issue.
>
> If you provide an entry way with a mini sidewalk, you solve the
> liability issue as well as keeping the mulch in place.
>
> Let the sidewalk project about 3 ft out into the yard that would
> providing a 3'x3' landing spot for any mulch that gets kicked out of
> the swing area..
>
> Every time you cut the grass, sweep any mulch that found the sidewalk
> bay into the swing area before you cut the grass.
>
> My guess is that after a couple of weeks the mulch will be matted
> enough to basically stay in place.
>
> Another idea would be to plant Boxwood shrubs that would form a hedge.
>
> They have no "prickers".
>
> Don't know what the cost would be, but after a couple of years, you
> wouldn't have any wood to maintain, just a soft hedge to trim
> annually.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Lew
>
Ah, I see. The border would act like the warning track in baseball,
letting a walker know something's up before they get to the wall. The
only problem would be that someone might think they found the driveway
and not the play area.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> Ah, I see. The border would act like the warning track in baseball,
> letting a walker know something's up before they get to the wall.
> The
> only problem would be that someone might think they found the
> driveway
> and not the play area.
-----------------------------------------
At least you don't get sued, unless it's 1:00AM and you shoot the SOB.
Then you might have a problem of another kind.
Lew
RE: Subject
SFWIW:
The complex where I live installed a playground about 4 years ago
which
includes a swing set and a slide.
They surrounded the play area after scraping away the grass with a 5
ft high
split rail fence backed up by a 6 ft high hedge.
A 3 ft wide opening is provided at each corner for access.
Lew
On Fri, 28 May 2010 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>, it describes a serious accident
>> waiting to happen ...
>>
>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>
>
>What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>trip hazard, yada yada"
>
>Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>salad days of youth.
I don't remember much of that, but I did it, too. If these new
parents only knew how we spent our youts...the dangerous actions,
illegalities, and foolhardiness. But most of us made it out alive,
kicking, and totally intact: ten digits, two eyes, and more than a few
brain cells.
>We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
Amen, bruddah.
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly
is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
On May 27, 2:10=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
> border around the area. =A0The border will keep mulch in as well as keep =
the
> lawn mower out. =A0(Less to mow, yay!)
>
> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground. =A0Does
> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together end t=
o
> end? =A0I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am wonderi=
ng
> if that's the best way.
>
> We experience approximately a 100F difference in temperature throughout t=
he =A0
> year, so expansion and contraction will be an issue.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Years ago I built playgrounds for a living and we were required to use
2- 6x6's stacked on top of each other staggered and used timber spikes
3/8's or so thick 12" long and pre-drilled 5/16 holes. We ~had~ to use
"Woodcarpet" TM not mulch (too many twigs to poke an eye out) 12"
deep which would pack down to 8"-10" eventually. I think you will find
that 4" will pack down to 2-3" which is practically no use at all as
far as fall safety. If I were you I would use your 4x6's stacked 2
high for 8" or so and try to pile your safety surface to 8". 8' is
code off of swings and slides as far as length away from the ends
them. You do not have to do any of these as far as I know for a
homeowner type of project. BTW, an 8" high wall is not a trip hazard,
it's a real long balancing beam. Take all this with a grain of salt
and do as you please.
RP
On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:06:29 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On 5/28/2010 6:58 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:d93d7911-9147-42f7-992b-0fa23f63e201@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>> , it describes a serious accident
>>>> waiting to happen ...
>>>>
>>>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>
>>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>>> salad days of youth.
>>>
>>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>>
>>
>> Still got the scar on my right knee and the one on the sole of my left
>> foot. No sutures, of course ...
>
>I'd be more concerned about an adult tripping over it after dark than
>about a kid tripping over it while playing.
Yeah, then you'd have to clean up all the Mad Dog 20/20 puke when he
fell and got dizzy.
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On Sun, 30 May 2010 10:30:32 -0500, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Fri, 28 May 2010 21:17:34 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>>>
>>>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>>>
>>>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find out
>>>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>>
>>>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>>>
>>>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>>>
>>>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>>>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
>>
>>Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
>>firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
>>could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
>>have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
>>barred from it.
>
>Actually, the number of lawyers (hold law degrees) in the US congress is even
>fewer than I had thought; 168/435 in the House and 57/100 in the Senate or 42%
>overall.
Amazing! I had thought that at least 90% were Speaking Weasels.
>I hope you're not wanting to kill everyone in the professions
>represented by legislators. ;-)
Hah! Not likely.
--
A well-informed mind is the best security against the contagion of
folly and of vice. The vacant mind is ever on the watch for relief,
and ready to plunge into error, to escape from the languor of idleness.
-- Ann Radcliffe
On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>
>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>-----------------------------------------
>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>
>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>It simply is CYA time.
No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
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I drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol.
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Puckdropper wrote:
> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as keep the
> lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>
> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground. Does
> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together end to
> end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am wondering
> if that's the best way.
>
> We experience approximately a 100F difference in temperature throughout the
> year, so expansion and contraction will be an issue.
>
> Puckdropper
I drilled holes and drove lengths of rebar through into the ground. If
you do this make sure you countersink the rebar.
The school here used what appears to be 6 inch PVC pipe. Not sure how
they fastened it to the ground so it won't slide. I think this is not
a good thing because kids WILL try to walk on it and slip off and fall.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
Life is the stuff that happens to you
while you're making other plans.
On 27 May 2010 06:10:22 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote the following:
>We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
>border around the area.
Galvanized lag bolts (2 per joint) will work well, in addition to
liquid nails floor goop. Counterbore them at least an inch and use 8"
lags of any diameter you have handy. 1/4" is cheap, and there is no
true structural need for more "beef" here.
>The border will keep mulch in as well as keep the
>lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
Then I recomment an extra 10' buffer around each side of the swingset.
In addition to much less lawn to mow, you don't want the kids falling
off the swing and hitting their heads on the wood, so a buffer is
necessary for kid safety. Wood chips and ground tires are being used
for playground fall softeners.
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I drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol.
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:58:31 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:d93d7911-9147-42f7-992b-0fa23f63e201@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>, it describes a serious accident
>>> waiting to happen ...
>>>
>>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>>
>>
>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>
>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>> salad days of youth.
>>
>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>
>
>Still got the scar on my right knee and the one on the sole of my left foot.
>No sutures, of course ...
Nah. The hog ring pliers were handier than the stapler.
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>
>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>
>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>
>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>
>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>
>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find out
>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>
>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>
>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>
>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
barred from it.
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, it describes a serious accident
> waiting to happen ...
>
> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>
What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
trip hazard, yada yada"
Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
salad days of youth.
We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
On 5/28/2010 11:54 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> Like George Carlin said, "We built up our immune system by swimming in raw
> sewage".
As in most everything that Carlin said, there is kernel of hard truth at
the bottom of that.
My favorite:
"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem."
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as keep the
> lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>
> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground. Does
> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together end to
> end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am wondering
> if that's the best way.
>
> We experience approximately a 100F difference in temperature throughout the
> year, so expansion and contraction will be an issue.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Lap joint on the ends work well for both corners and in-line connections.
McFeelys has some timber screws which will secure the joints for years
to come. Counter sinking the heads is a good idea but I'd wouldn't worry
about the kids tripping or slipping and falling as this is a consequence of
growing up. Besides they're most likely to fall into the mulch or the grass
which is NBD.
Art
On 5/27/2010 4:48 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in news:4bfeb9cd$0$28396
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>>
>>> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated
>>> wood
>>> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as
>>> keep the
>>> lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>>>
>>> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground.
>>> Does
>>> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together
>>> end to
>>> end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am
>>> wondering
>>> if that's the best way.
>> -------------------------------------------
>> If I understand your description, it describes a serious accident
>> waiting to happen UNLESS the mulch area is large enough to allow a kid
>> to jump off a swing in motion and still land in a mulch area without
>> hitting a 4x6..
>>
>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>
>> Think I would find an alternate solution.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Making the mulch area big enough for jump range is something I hadn't
> thought about. We were naturally going to add several feet (5-8ish) for
> landing zones and the like, but had no general rule of thumb.
>
> I think a 4x6 is within most people's "hazard detection range." It is a
> tripping hazard, sure, but so is the blue line on an ice rink. Maybe a
> 6x6 would be better, as it's less likely for the grass on the outside to
> cover it.
Is this going to be a permanently well lighted area? Or locked up
behind a good fence when not in use? What's perfectly acceptable in
daylight can still be a hazard after dark.
On 5/28/10 11:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
> salad days of youth.
>
Funny stuff.
> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
I agree. In some of the parks/neighborhoods around here you see kids on
bikes, wearing what is essential body armor. A helmet on a skateboard, I
understand and support. But you see these tiny kids on bikes with
training wheels, and they can hardly walk or stand up straight with all
the padding.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 5/28/2010 12:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/28/10 11:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>> salad days of youth.
>>
>
> Funny stuff.
>
>
>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>
> I agree. In some of the parks/neighborhoods around here you see kids on
> bikes, wearing what is essential body armor. A helmet on a skateboard, I
> understand and support. But you see these tiny kids on bikes with
> training wheels, and they can hardly walk or stand up straight with all
> the padding.
I learned about road-rash on a bicycle when I was about 10. That meant
that when I started riding a motorcycle I knew to take reasonable
measures to avoid it and so didn't end up like
<http://www.rockthegear.org/index.php?/testimonials/view/brittany_morrow_the_roadrash_queen/>.
The thing that really pisses me off is the parents who wrap their kids
up so he looks like the Michelin Man but don't teach him to stop at stop
signs.
On 5/28/10 12:16 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> I learned about road-rash on a bicycle when I was about 10.
>
Exactly! I have vivid memories of childhood road rash.
> The thing that really pisses me off is the parents who wrap their kids
> up so he looks like the Michelin Man...
*THAT'S* the image I was looking for. Thank you.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:d93d7911-9147-42f7-992b-0fa23f63e201@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>, it describes a serious accident
>> waiting to happen ...
>>
>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>
>
> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
> trip hazard, yada yada"
>
> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
> salad days of youth.
>
> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
Still got the scar on my right knee and the one on the sole of my left foot.
No sutures, of course ...
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>
>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>> trip hazard, yada yada"
> -----------------------------------------
> It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>
> Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to call
> them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if they have
> suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>
> It simply is CYA time.
I'm waiting for the Hot Dog Bite law suit ...
On 5/28/2010 6:58 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:d93d7911-9147-42f7-992b-0fa23f63e201@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> , it describes a serious accident
>>> waiting to happen ...
>>>
>>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>>
>>
>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>
>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>> salad days of youth.
>>
>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>
>
> Still got the scar on my right knee and the one on the sole of my left
> foot. No sutures, of course ...
I'd be more concerned about an adult tripping over it after dark than
about a kid tripping over it while playing.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bff5e30$0$28333
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>>
>>> It's an interesting idea, but I don't know how effective it would be
>>> in
>>> this scenario. The mulch would inevitably be kicked out by kids
>>> playing,
>>> which seems less likely with a little spare room at the top like a
>>> deeper
>>> wall provides.
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> Are you going to have an entry opening(s) in the proposed fence to
>> allow the kids to get into the swing area without having to step over
>> the fence?
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
> No, the border should be quite short (7-12") so it should easily be
> stepped on or over.
>
> I think I see where you're going here... An entry in the border would
> allow the mulch to be kicked out just as easily as the sidewalk border.
>
No matter what you do, children Will get the 'mulch' onto the grass. You
didn't plan to maintain 24/7 watches, did you?
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>>
>>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>>
>>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>>
>>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find
>>out
>>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>
>>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>>
>>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>>
>>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
>
> Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
> firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
> could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
> have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
> barred from it.
>
And the Shakespeare quote is taken out of context. Virtually every time it
is used, it is used wrongly.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:58:31 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:d93d7911-9147-42f7-992b-0fa23f63e201@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>, it describes a serious accident
>>>> waiting to happen ...
>>>>
>>>> Also, 4x6's resting on the ground pose a trip hazard.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>
>>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>>> salad days of youth.
>>>
>>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>>
>>
>>Still got the scar on my right knee and the one on the sole of my left
>>foot.
>>No sutures, of course ...
>
> Nah. The hog ring pliers were handier than the stapler.
>
We're talking body Piercings!
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:33:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques
>>>><[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>>>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>>>>
>>>>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to
>>>>find
>>>>out
>>>>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>>>
>>>>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>>>>
>>>>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>>>>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
>>>
>>> Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
>>> firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
>>> could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
>>> have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
>>> barred from it.
>>>
>>
>>And the Shakespeare quote is taken out of context. Virtually every time it
>>is used, it is used wrongly.
>
> At least people are consistent, wot? <vbg>
small favors ...
On Fri, 28 May 2010 13:16:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On 5/28/2010 12:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 5/28/10 11:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> Growing up we would jump from rusty chained swings with leather seats
>>> ready to break at any moment, on to hard asphalt covered with broken
>>> glass and used condoms while drunk on stolen whiskey and smoking
>>> reclaimed cigarette butts scrounged from festering ashtrays. Ahhh, the
>>> salad days of youth.
>>>
>>
>> Funny stuff.
>>
>>
>>> We are raising a generation of wimps now. Let 'em fall a few times,
>>> some shards of glass embedded in a knee builds character!
>>
>> I agree. In some of the parks/neighborhoods around here you see kids on
>> bikes, wearing what is essential body armor. A helmet on a skateboard, I
>> understand and support. But you see these tiny kids on bikes with
>> training wheels, and they can hardly walk or stand up straight with all
>> the padding.
>
>I learned about road-rash on a bicycle when I was about 10. That meant
>that when I started riding a motorcycle I knew to take reasonable
>measures to avoid it and so didn't end up like
><http://www.rockthegear.org/index.php?/testimonials/view/brittany_morrow_the_roadrash_queen/>.
Shaun was an idiot for not telling her to hold onto him tightly.
Brittany was an idiot for not paying attention to her intuition.
So, how is she today? She's one tough little gal.
>The thing that really pisses me off is the parents who wrap their kids
>up so he looks like the Michelin Man but don't teach him to stop at stop
>signs.
Yeah, they teach them to pad themselves and the kids think they're
invulnerable. Parents should teach their kids to think, even if they
can't seem to do it themselves. Vicious circle, wot? ;)
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 21:17:34 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:33:54 -0500, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:52:26 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:11 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What has our world come too, "serious accident jumping from a swing,
>>>>> trip hazard, yada yada"
>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>It's simply the litigious society in which we live.
>>>>
>>>>Here in SoCal, you have attorneys who jump on TV telling people to
>>>>call them, they will get them "the compensation they deserve", if
>>>>they have suffered any of a list of minor events including dog bites.
>>>
>>>Or buying a mower which isn't as powerful as stated. What a horrible
>>>wounding of the soul THAT causes, eh?
>>
>>Well, that is fraud. Can you imagine how devastating it would be to find out
>>that your table saw is only 2HP?!
>>
>>>>It simply is CYA time.
>>>
>>>No, I think Shakespeare was right. If only it were Open Season...
>>
>>He had the profession wrong. Politicians should be first, followed by
>>bureaucrats. Lawyers are a good bit down the list.
>
>Almost all politicians ARE lawyers, but you have a point. I'm still
>firmly convinced that anyone off the street, including the homeless,
>could do as good or better job in office as the complete assholes we
>have in there now. And anyone who -wants- to be in office should be
>barred from it.
Actually, the number of lawyers (hold law degrees) in the US congress is even
fewer than I had thought; 168/435 in the House and 57/100 in the Senate or 42%
overall. I hope you're not wanting to kill everyone in the professions
represented by legislators. ;-)
ttp://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40086.pdf
On Thu, 27 May 2010 06:10:22 +0000, Puckdropper wrote:
> We're looking at putting up a swingset with a 4x6 pressure treated wood
> border around the area. The border will keep mulch in as well as keep
> the lawn mower out. (Less to mow, yay!)
>
> The border will be a single layer of 4x6 and laid on the ground. Does
> anyone have specific suggestions on how to attach the 4x6s together end
> to end? I'd probably use a tie plate and galvanized nails, but am
> wondering if that's the best way.
>
> We experience approximately a 100F difference in temperature throughout
> the year, so expansion and contraction will be an issue.
>
> Puckdropper
I have used liquid nails to join together 4x6's. I don't know how long
this will last, but have survived a couple of winters and summers so far.
The thing I liked about doing it this way, was there is no visible means
that they are attached together.
Paul T.