We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
On 3/21/2013 5:41 PM, Leon wrote:
> YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????
>
> Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?
>
> Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
> because of the way it looks naturally.
Hey smartass ... I'm sure they look great with painted cherry cabinets!
;)
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On Mar 21, 6:03=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
> solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justic=
e.
>
> Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
> are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
> competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.
Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.
I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
didn't do it, someone would.
There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
as one color... but never black.
It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
always right...
Robert
On 3/22/2013 7:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:51:59 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
>>
>>>> solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
>>
>>>> are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
>>
>>>> competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
>>
>>> my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
>>
>>> didn't do it, someone would.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
>>
>>> one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
>>
>>> as one color... but never black.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
>>
>>> always right...
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Robert
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and
>>
>> the owners are unaware of what is going on?
>
> We own our house.
>
Ok. ;~) We certainly appreciate your thick skin and putting up with
us/me and our/my unyielding opinion about what you are doing.
>=20
>=20
> Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?
I would suggest you go with a dye. You can dye the wood directly or you can=
dye it using atoning process by adding it to a poly or shellac.
Use liquid Transtint dye. It is made by Homestead Finishing www.homesteadfi=
nishingproducts.com. They have black. It can be mixed with water or alcohol=
for direct application. Maybe 10-20 drops per pint of liquid. I would use =
water. Alcohol dries to fast and can leave streaks. Alcohol is very flammab=
le. Rag it on, just soak a rag and keep soaking it. Wear good gloves and lo=
ng sleeves. It may not like the oil stain being there but it will dye every=
thing. Water will want to seep back out of seams and leave bad dark spots w=
hen it dries so keep wiping down until dry, then watch and wipe more. It wi=
ll look dead and dull when it dries but one drop of poly and it will be bea=
utiful.
You can use the same Transtint as a toning agent in shellac or poly but thi=
s is much harder to get even and won't wear evenly.
Forget the naysayers. People have been ebonizing wood for centuries so it i=
s a classic design. Also, it is your home and will be beautiful. I say dye =
it!
On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:36:45 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>> LOL Absolutely not orange but a fresh cut or sanded spot on much is brow=
n with a cast towards yellowy red. :~) https://www.google.com/search?q=3Dme=
squite+wood&hl=3Den&safe=3Doff&bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=3Dbv.44158598,d=
.aWc&biw=3D1261&bih=3D637&um=3D1&ie=3DUTF-8&tbm=3Disch&source=3Dog&sa=3DN&t=
ab=3Dfi&ei=3Drs5MUaiRIcHhygG-nIGwCQ
I don't know that I've ever seen any mesquite. Looks pretty darn nice, to =
me. I often visit this website. It has a variety of samples for comparis=
ons of woods. http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were
> uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>
> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>
> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>
> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the
> poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does
not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can
expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will
absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not
be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not
transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil
stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>
> Like Cars,
>
> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
> job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint and
> repaint your brand new Rolls.
>
> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>
> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
> teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>
> Like Gucci products?
>
> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with your
> "bedazzler kit".
>
> Like wood floors?
>
> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of its
> beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>
With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired
craftsmanship. ;-)
On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>
> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>
> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>
> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
>
I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
"orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
clear, water based finish of poly.
Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
>>> were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>>>
>>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>>>
>>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>>>
>>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
>>> the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
>>> poly.
>>>
>>
>> I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
>> grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
>> the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
>> Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
>> "orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
>> you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
>> clear, water based finish of poly.
>>
>> Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
>>
>>
>
> Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.
Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a
> light brown orangy tint.
------------------------------------------------------
The obvious solution is to install black carpeting.
The owners get the color floor they want and the floor
gets protected from an owner who truly doesn't appreciate
what they have.
Lew
On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:51:59 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
>
> >> solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.
>
> >>
>
> >> Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
>
> >> are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
>
> >> competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.
>
> >
>
> > Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.
>
> >
>
> > I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
>
> > my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
>
> > didn't do it, someone would.
>
> >
>
> > There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
>
> > one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
>
> > as one color... but never black.
>
> >
>
> > It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
>
> > always right...
>
> >
>
> > Robert
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and
>
> the owners are unaware of what is going on?
We own our house.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>>
>> Like Cars,
>>
>> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
>> > job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
>>> and > repaint your brand new Rolls.
>>
>> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>>
>> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch >
>> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret >
>> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
>> > teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>>
>> Like Gucci products?
>>
>> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
>> your > "bedazzler kit".
>>
>> Like wood floors?
>>
>> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
>> its > beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>>
> With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
> redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
> country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)
LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
2% from tree to floor.
On 3/22/2013 1:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like Cars,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
>>
>>>>> job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
>>
>>>>> and > repaint your brand new Rolls.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch >
>>
>>>> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret >
>>
>>>> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
>>
>>>>> teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like Gucci products?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
>>
>>>> your > "bedazzler kit".
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like wood floors?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
>>
>>>> its > beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
>>
>>> redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
>>
>>> country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
>>
>> all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
>>
>> 2% from tree to floor.
>
>
> So sorry to make everyone so upset.
Ok, for the record I think I was the only one that was upset. ;~)
Sorry, it is your floor to do with what you will.
We just love dark floors and the mesquite that was in this house was a
light orange color...with that being said the wood is beautiful...just
did not stain well....
Perhaps that is a sign!
> So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply two coats of oil based poly?
>
You will continue to get numerous suggestions as to how to proceed. I
suggest you take Swingman's suggestion and get a pro involved. Get some
one else to paint your Rolls. ;~)
On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:44:16 PM UTC-5, MaxD wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> > On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
>
> >> On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>
> >>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
>
> >>> were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>
> >>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>
> >>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
>
> >>> the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
>
> >>> poly.
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
>
> >> grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
>
> >> the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
>
> >> Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
>
> >> "orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
>
> >> you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
>
> >> clear, water based finish of poly.
>
> >>
>
> >> Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.
>
>
>
> Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
>
> Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)
Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a light brown orangy tint.
On 3/22/2013 1:44 PM, MaxD wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
>>> On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>>>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
>>>> were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>>>>
>>>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>>>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>>>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>>>>
>>>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>>>>
>>>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
>>>> the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
>>>> poly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
>>> grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
>>> the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
>>> Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
>>> "orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
>>> you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
>>> clear, water based finish of poly.
>>>
>>> Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.
>
> Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
> Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)
>
LOL Absolutely not orange but a fresh cut or sanded spot on much is
brown with a cast towards yellowy red. :~)
https://www.google.com/search?q=mesquite+wood&hl=en&safe=off&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44158598,d.aWc&biw=1261&bih=637&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=fi&ei=rs5MUaiRIcHhygG-nIGwCQ
On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
> On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
>> were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>>
>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>>
>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>>
>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
>> the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
>>
>
> I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
> grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
> the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
> Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
> "orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
> you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
> clear, water based finish of poly.
>
> Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
>
>
Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.
On 3/22/2013 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 21, 6:03 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
>> solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.
>>
>> Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
>> are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
>> competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.
>
> Best advice so far. No reason to comment further.
>
> I have done awful things to wood and wood products so that I can make
> my house payments. I am not proud of myself, but I figured that if I
> didn't do it, someone would.
>
> There are things I can never understand, and blacking out mesquite s
> one of them. A nice toner would have pulled the whole floor together
> as one color... but never black.
>
> It is hard to remember that in matters of taste, the customer is
> always right...
>
> Robert
>
Why do I keep thinking that this floor may be in a rental property and
the owners are unaware of what is going on?
On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:54:24 PM UTC-5, EXT wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>>
>>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were
>>
>>> uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>>
>>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>>
>>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the
>>
>>> poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
>>
>>
>>
>> What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does
>>
>> not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can
>>
>> expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will
>>
>> absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not
>>
>> be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not
>>
>> transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil
>>
>> stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.
>
>
>
> They are mesquite floors.
> We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?
>
YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????
Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?
Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
because of the way it looks naturally.
On Friday, March 22, 2013 7:12:37 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:44:16 PM UTC-5, MaxD wrote:
>
> > On 3/22/2013 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > On 3/22/2013 9:54 AM, MaxD wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >> On 3/21/2013 3:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>> We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>
> >
>
> > >>> stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they
>
> >
>
> > >>> were uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> >
>
> > >>> I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>
> >
>
> > >>> Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>
> >
>
> > >>> Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> >
>
> > >>> Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> >
>
> > >>> Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to
>
> >
>
> > >>> the poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure
>
> >
>
> > >>> poly.
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> >
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> > >> I'm having difficulty seeing through my tears to type this. Covering the
>
> >
>
> > >> grain on Mesquite should be unlawful. You mention in another post that
>
> >
>
> > >> the Mesquite had an orange tint? Perhaps someone used shellac on it.
>
> >
>
> > >> Mesquite has beautiful grain and I (personally) wouldn't call it
>
> >
>
> > >> "orange". I'm almost tempted to offer to come and refinish the floor for
>
> >
>
> > >> you. Hopefully it can be sanded down to the original wood and given a
>
> >
>
> > >> clear, water based finish of poly.
>
> >
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> > >> Max, wishing he had enough Mesquite to cover the floor in the den. :-(
>
> >
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Fresh sanded Mesquite often has an "orangy" tint.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Leon, I'm trying to picture that. It's been awhile since I've had any
>
> >
>
> > Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". ;-)
>
>
>
> Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a light brown orangy tint.
Update:
Ok I think I understand that I shouldn't use india ink. I will forget about that.
What about if I mix 1:4 ratio of same minwax stain and oil based poly and do one coat...especially in areas that are lighter, then apply coat of oil based poly by itself on top.
Would that work?
Also before doing that I was thinking of using a rag damped with mineral spirits to lightly remove a little stain in one area that is specifically way darker than the rest...
Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:54:24 PM UTC-5, EXT wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > We have sanded our hardwood floors applied the minwax ebony oil based
>
> > stain and the results were not nearly as dark as we wanted and they were
>
> > uneven and blotchy, we do not want to resand.
>
> >
>
> > I have been reading about india ink and was wondering if I could:
>
> > Apply India Ink over the first coat on minwax stain
>
> > Then apply 2 coats of semi-gloss floor poly
>
> >
>
> > Would this work? If so, should I used oil or water based poly?
>
> >
>
> > Another option I was considering was adding some of the ebony stain to the
>
> > poly, applying 1 coat and then applying 1 coat of just the pure poly.
>
>
>
> What species of wood are you trying to stain? Maple is so hard that it does
>
> not absorb stain readily, even when it does it is not deep, a scratch can
>
> expose the almost white wood through your dark stain. Other woods will
>
> absorb stains more or less depending on species. I think india ink would not
>
> be a good idea for a floor. Too difficult to control, it is opaque not
>
> transparent and it is water based, it won't like being applied over an oil
>
> stain. Another coat of stain would be a lot easier.
They are mesquite floors.
We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?
On 3/21/2013 5:41 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> They are mesquite floors.
>> We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and
>> only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole
>> uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first
>> layer of poly?
>>
>
>
> YOU ARE STAINING MESQUITE FLOORS????????/?????????
>
> Do you know what they would look like with a clear finish?
>
> Normally I say do what you want but you have a premium wood floor
> because of the way it looks naturally.
>
>
OK I have to go a bit farther.
Pick something you are really into, I'll give a few examples of what is
going on here.
Like Cars,
Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint and
repaint your brand new Rolls.
Like jewelery with Diamonds?
Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch
repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret
diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
Like Gucci products?
Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
your "bedazzler kit".
Like wood floors?
Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
its beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
Sorry, I am now at a loss.....
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>
> >>
>
> >> Like Cars,
>
> >>
>
> >> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
>
> >> > job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
>
> >>> and > repaint your brand new Rolls.
>
> >>
>
> >> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>
> >>
>
> >> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch >
>
> >> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret >
>
> >> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
>
> >> > teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>
> >>
>
> >> Like Gucci products?
>
> >>
>
> >> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
>
> >> your > "bedazzler kit".
>
> >>
>
> >> Like wood floors?
>
> >>
>
> >> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
>
> >> its > beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>
> >>
>
> > With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
>
> > redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
>
> > country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)
>
>
>
> LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
>
> all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
>
> 2% from tree to floor.
So sorry to make everyone so upset. We just love dark floors and the mesquite that was in this house was a light orange color...with that being said the wood is beautiful...just did not stain well....
So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply two coats of oil based poly?
On Mar 22, 7:12=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > Mesquite to mess with but I guess it could be called, "orangy". =A0;-)
>
> Well our mesquite floor in OUR house was a light mesqhite wich was a ligh=
t brown orangy tint.
There are a lot of variations of color when working with mesquite, and
a lot has to do with the exact specimen. In the artists colonies
north of here, there was a thriving business in mesquite furniture of
all sizes and types, kitchen ware, cutting boards, and just about
anything you can think of. Flooring was/is still pretty popular, just
unaffordable for most.
Since it is a native here in South Texas, there is all manner of uses
for it. Some folks burn it, some barbecue with it, and personally, I
like to chuck it up and turn it on the lathe. It is extremely tough
and hard, and like Leon said, the shrinkage from green to dry is
almost nonexistent.
I have seen fire engine red mesquite, brown mesquite (barbecued with
that stuff), pink, orange red, orange yellow, etc. In fact there is
so much variation on the coloring the folks that sell it around here
no longer let you select your pieces based on color since the red
stuff is the most popular. They wind up with a lot of the brown stuff
that isn't really popular or dynamic.
If I were you and were still going to color that floor, I would use
deck paint. Sherwin Williams has some great stuff and they have it in
satin, semi gloss and gloss. If memory serves correctly, they even
have black.
Although I do finishing and refinishing as part of my living, I
wouldn't try to even out a bad stain job. Not only is there no end to
touching up, but it will never, ever look right. It will always look
second rate. Paint would be easy to apply, and the good stuff wears
like iron.
Robert
On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> They are mesquite floors.
> We will try your idea of another coat of stain...should we try and only restain areas that are lighter? Or do you we just stain the whole uneven floor? What about our idea for adding some stain to first layer of poly?
You would be better off, IME, concentrating on the lighter areas IF you
have the expertise. Just adding more stain to the entire floor is just
going to keep most of the contrast between the light and dark intact.
Unless you're willing to start over, which may still be your ultimate
solution, you really need some professional help to do your floors justice.
Continuing on your current course, and judging from your questions, you
are on a collision course with making matters worse ... get some
competent, professional help, ASAP, _before_ doing anything else.
--
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like Cars,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option
>>>> paint
>>
>>>>> job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex
>>>>> paint
>>
>>>>> and > repaint your brand new Rolls.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local
>>>> watch >
>>
>>>> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4
>>>> caret >
>>
>>>> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your
>>>> front
>>
>>>>> teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like Gucci products?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it
>>>> with
>>
>>>> your > "bedazzler kit".
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Like wood floors?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide
>>>> all of
>>
>>>> its > beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can
>>> become a
>>
>>> redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down
>>> home
>>
>>> country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this
>>> inspired craftsmanship. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the
>> best of
>>
>> all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move
>> more than
>>
>> 2% from tree to floor.
>
>
> So sorry to make everyone so upset. We just love dark floors and the
> mesquite that was in this house was a light orange color...with that
> being said the wood is beautiful...just did not stain well....
>
> So I have another question...we still have only 1 coat of minwax
> stain on floor, can we use zinsser dewaxed seal coat and stir in
> india ink (water based) thoroughly then apply to floors. Then apply
> two coats of oil based poly?
If you just have to have it black, skip the fussing around and get some
black poly. Thin it down and apply until you have the color you want; if
less than 5-6 coats, top with clear poly. You need four normal coats of
poly for floors; three if you skimp.
I guess you could do what you suggested, you are just mixing the ink into
shellac but India ink isn't cheap. You could also just add black universal
tint to clear oil poly.
--
dadiOH
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[email protected] wrote:
> Update:
> Ok I think I understand that I shouldn't use india ink. I will forget
> about that.
>
> What about if I mix 1:4 ratio of same minwax stain and oil based poly
> and do one coat...especially in areas that are lighter, then apply
> coat of oil based poly by itself on top. Would that work?
Possibly, if the vehicle in the stain is compatible with the poly. But why
not just apply more stain?
> Also before doing that I was thinking of using a rag damped with
> mineral spirits to lightly remove a little stain in one area that is
> specifically way darker than the rest...
>
> Does anyone think that process would turn out ok?
If the vehicle in the stain is oil (most likely) and the oil has cured,
mineral spirits won't dissolve it. Doing what you propose may physically
remove some stain from the surface just by abrasion. You can do the same
thing with any abrasive material...sand paper, sanding sponge, steel wool,
etc.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:24:15 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>>>
>>> Like Cars,
>>>
>>> Buy a Rolls Royce pay an additional $30,000 for the special option paint
>>> > job. Take the car home, whip out K-Marts best exterior latex paint
>>>> and > repaint your brand new Rolls.
>>>
>>> Like jewelery with Diamonds?
>>>
>>> Buy a ring with a single 10 caret diamond. Take it to the local watch >
>>> repair shop and have him break the diamond into a bunch of 1/4 caret >
>>> diamonds, take them to your dentist and have them imbedded in your front
>>> > teeth so that you really have a smile that shines.
>>>
>>> Like Gucci products?
>>>
>>> Buy a $15,000 what ever with a Gucci label on it and decorate it with
>>> your > "bedazzler kit".
>>>
>>> Like wood floors?
>>>
>>> Sand your Mesquite floor and stain it a very dark color to hide all of
>>> its > beauty. Hell, paint it with the K-Mart latex paint.
>>>
>> With talent and artistic sensibilities like these Leon, you can become a
>> redneck decorator!! There must be at least a million or two down home
>> country folk in your neighborhood who would appreciate this inspired craftsmanship. ;-)
>
>LOL, I just could not help myself.. Mesquite floors IMHO are the best of
>all worlds, it is a very hard wood, gorgeous and does not move more than
>2% from tree to floor.
In my lumber stash is Mesquite, and brown mesquite, and I can't
imagine anything other then a clear finish.
Mike M