"Neil Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>>that hangs from the ceiling.
>>
>>Has anyone here done this before?
>>
>>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
>>w/o a dedicated storage system.
>
> I like storing sheet goods vertically.
>
> Easier to view them. Easier to pull them out.
>
> No dead corner in the shop??
I built a *movable* plywood storage rack (it's on casters).
Fits in a corner of the shop.
http://picasaweb.google.com/contrarian32/PlywoodStorage#5426767571633625506
or
http://tinyurl.com/ylbcfqw
Max
"GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage
>system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
----------------------------------------
Consider the following:
A 4'x8'x1/2" sheet of CDX weighs over 40 lbs.
Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
than pushing on a rope.
Lew
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On Jan 13, 10:21 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
> >My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> >Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage
> >system
> >that hangs from the ceiling.
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Consider the following:
>
> A 4'x8'x1/2" sheet of CDX weighs over 40 lbs.
>
> Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
> than pushing on a rope.
>
> Lew
Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
===================================
If you are going to lift large, unwieldy sheets of plywood overhead, you
will need to devise a method of lifting them. Unless, of course, you are
super strong and muscular. ;)
It is not just the weight. Plywood under the best of circumstances is
clumsy. Tight spaces and lifting just makes it that much more difficult.
"GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
---------------------------------------------
Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then
store plywood on table top and storage underneath.
The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate
storage area.
Lew
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:854da1c8-f227-
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> On Jan 14, 12:48 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>> >Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then
>> store plywood on table top and storage underneath.
>
> Or perhaps a 4'x10' table and store the plywood underneath.
>
>> The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate
>> storage area.
>
> A 4' wide table is still a lot of wasted space. Reaching the back
> isn't easy. Cabinets across the back would work but anything on the
> table gets in the way.
>
If you've got the space in the center of your shop for a 4x8 (or 4 1/2 by
8 1/2) you could build a workbench and store the ply underneath. Put
casters on a bottom sheet of plywood, and you could even roll it out from
under the table when you need it. The plywood would be stored flat and
you'd have a workbench that's not all wasted space.
Shove this up against the wall, and you'll lose the 2' as noted above.
Consider that you'll need at least 3' of work area around 3 edges of the
table, and you'll have to bump the space requirements up to 4' for the
side the plywood comes out. Most garshops can't handle this.
Puckdropper
Hey Brian,
Do you have space for a triangled cart? I know it may seem a bit
cumbersome to have to wheel it out of the way when necessary but it
keeps your sheet goods closer to the ground so you won't be straining
to fight gravity when you are filling or emptying your storage rack.
Everything you need- sheet good wise - is right there to see, plus you
could roll the stock up to your table saw or work bench for easier
placement.
Marc
On Jan 14, 2:53=A0pm, "charlie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hoosierpopi wrote:
> > As to the over-head storage idea, I'd pass. Too old any more to be
> > wielding 40 pound sheets of stock I can barely hold onto into a small
> > opening seven or eight feet above the floor. To say nothing of the
> > difficulty of removing the bottom sheet when it is - and none of the
> > others on top of it - needed for the project.
>
> you never saw someone pull the tablecloth out from under the fully set pl=
ace
> settings?
>
> same way. it's all in the wrist.
Ow!
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
>
>Has anyone here done this before?
>
>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
>w/o a dedicated storage system.
I like storing sheet goods vertically.
Easier to view them. Easier to pull them out.
No dead corner in the shop??
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
>
>Has anyone here done this before?
>
>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
>w/o a dedicated storage system.
30 years ago I thought it was a great idea. Hung the supports for a
rack before I drywalled the ceiling. I've got some plywood I'll get
to some day up there, but its pretty much just used for dimensional
lumber now. I'm going to build something vertical now that I can keep
the sheets totally upright in and still be able to roll it out of the
way. I have a 10' ceiling. What ever I do my primary design
considerations will to be able to pull one sheet out with out having
to move any others, and having a way to hold them so they can't
develope a bow in the sheet.
Mike M
On Jan 13, 10:21=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
> >My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> >Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage
> >system
> >that hangs from the ceiling.
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Consider the following:
>
> A 4'x8'x1/2" sheet of CDX weighs over 40 lbs.
>
> Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
> than pushing on a rope.
>
> Lew
Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:43:40 -0800 (PST), the infamous GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Jan 13, 9:07 pm, marc rosen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey Brian,
>> Do you have space for a triangled cart? I know it may seem a bit
>> cumbersome to have to wheel it out of the way when necessary but it
>> keeps your sheet goods closer to the ground so you won't be straining
>> to fight gravity when you are filling or emptying your storage rack.
>> Everything you need- sheet good wise - is right there to see, plus you
>> could roll the stock up to your table saw or work bench for easier
>> placement.
>>
>> Marc
>
>Considered that, but it would constantly be in the way. I don't use
>ply very often so having it above shouldn't be an issue.
I did some welded up 5/8" square tubing brackets for my 2' x 2' x 8'
overhead, but it was for large boxes, not ply. The HF tig was my
required new tool for that.
Are you going to put 2 of them above the garage door, Brian? You'll
need plenty of takedown area, a long slot for each. Do you have that
kind of room in your gar^H^H^Hshop, mon?
GIFs at 11, I presume? Bueno.
--
What helps luck is a habit of watching for opportunities, of
having a patient, but restless mind, of sacrificing one's
ease or vanity, of uniting a love of detail to foresight, and
of passing through hard times bravely and cheerfully.
-- Charles Victor Cherbuliez
On Jan 14, 12:48=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"GarageWoodworks" wrote:
> >Ok. =A0You got me thinking Lew. =A0 Need to rethink this.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then
> store plywood on table top and storage underneath.
Or perhaps a 4'x10' table and store the plywood underneath.
> The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate
> storage area.
A 4' wide table is still a lot of wasted space. Reaching the back
isn't easy. Cabinets across the back would work but anything on the
table gets in the way.
On Jan 13, 9:07=A0pm, marc rosen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Brian,
> Do you have space for a triangled cart? =A0I know it may seem a bit
> cumbersome to have to wheel it out of the way when necessary but it
> keeps your sheet goods closer to the ground so you won't be straining
> to fight gravity when you are filling or emptying your storage rack.
> Everything you need- sheet good wise - is right there to see, plus you
> could roll the stock up to your table saw or work bench for easier
> placement.
>
> Marc
Considered that, but it would constantly be in the way. I don't use
ply very often so having it above shouldn't be an issue.
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
> that hangs from the ceiling.
>
> Has anyone here done this before?
>
> I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
> w/o a dedicated storage system.
I have a similar set up above my garage door. Why above the garage door?
To keep me from putting too much up there. Keep in mind that 3/4" plywood
is heavy, you "fasteners" need to be able to hold a lot of weight. 4 sheets
of 3/4" plywood/mdf could weigh in the 250-320 lb. range. That weight is
going to be transferred to your fasteners, and that is no only going to be
static weight. You will be pushing and pulling....
I would advise checking your ceiling joist specs but you have mentioned that
you have living space above. It should not be a problem provising you dont
get carried away with loaking it up.
Think also that you will be walking under that mass,,,, you would not want
it to fall down on top of you.
Basically I only use mine for left overs. I never buy any more plywood than
what I need for a project at the time I need the material.
Because up high storage is tough to work with , a 2 person job to load and
unload, it is less trouble for me to never have to put a sheet up there
unless absolutely necessary.
Good idea - but how about a larger table and store the sheets below the top
on say three shelves. Using the old numbers - 1/4, 1/2, 3/4.
Center of a room and use the table from all sides.
Martin
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>
>> Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
> ---------------------------------------------
> Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then
> store plywood on table top and storage underneath.
>
> The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate
> storage area.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:21:57 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>
>>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage
>>system
>>that hangs from the ceiling.
>----------------------------------------
>Consider the following:
>
>A 4'x8'x1/2" sheet of CDX weighs over 40 lbs.
>
>Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
>than pushing on a rope.
Think "4'x8'x3/4" oak", Lew. Makes your shoulders ache.
--
What helps luck is a habit of watching for opportunities, of
having a patient, but restless mind, of sacrificing one's
ease or vanity, of uniting a love of detail to foresight, and
of passing through hard times bravely and cheerfully.
-- Charles Victor Cherbuliez
GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> writes:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
A good sheet of 3/4" ply can weight 80# or more. 10 sheets is 800#;
can your hanging storage system handle all that?
scott
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:27:44 -0800, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>> Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
>> than pushing on a rope.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
I attached some tapered supports (1.5" at the bottom, 0.25" at the top)
4' high to some studs on the back wall. Above that I mounted some
brackets for lumber storage.
This supports the plywood every 24" and I've seen no evidence of sagging
after many years.
It wouldn't work if you buy plywood a dozen sheets at a time, but for
storing 3 or 4 full sheets and a small accumulation of smaller pieces, it
works fine.
It would be a PITA if I needed to get at the plywood every day, but I
don't.
--
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>GarageWoodworks wrote:
>> My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>> Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>> that hangs from the ceiling.
>
>How many sheets? Let's see...
>
>20 sheets of 3/4 would weigh about 1500. Stored flat that would be about
>47 lbs/sq.ft load if the weight was perfectly supported over the entire area
>which it can't be.
>
>I don't think I'd want to do it.
>
>Storing sheet goods is a real PITA.
Yep. I ended up storing 10 sheets of 3/4" cherry 13ply under the
spare bed; about 750#.
On Jan 14, 6:13=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Neil Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> >>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
> >>that hangs from the ceiling.
>
> >>Has anyone here done this before?
>
> >>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
> >>w/o a dedicated storage system.
>
> > I like storing sheet goods vertically.
>
> > Easier to view them. =A0Easier to pull them out.
>
> > No dead corner in the shop??
>
> I built a *movable* plywood storage rack (it's on casters).
> Fits in a corner of the shop.http://picasaweb.google.com/contrarian32/Ply=
woodStorage#5426767571633...
> orhttp://tinyurl.com/ylbcfqw
>
> Max
Yeah. Perfect.
I mean ... if you DON'T have the room, then you don't have the room,
but ... I do like what you built, there. Very nice!
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
What sort of roof does it have? Loading may be a problem.
>Has anyone here done this before?
>
>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
>w/o a dedicated storage system.
On Jan 13, 8:57=A0pm, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> >Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
> >that hangs from the ceiling.
>
> What sort of roof does it have? =A0Loading may be a problem.
>
> >Has anyone here done this before?
>
> >I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
> >w/o a dedicated storage system.
The ceiling in my woodshop (garage) is the floor to the second floor
above. Should be able to hold it.
On Jan 13, 8:23=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
Folks who have reason to store significant numbers of 4x8 plywood
sheets lay the stuff flat, close to the floor (but not directly "on"
the floor).
Examples can be found at Lowes, Home Depot, et al.
Most of us simply cannot afford the space required for this ideal
plywood storage system - especially since individual stacks are
maintained for each type and thickness obviating the need to remove
one or more sheets to get to one at or near the bottom of the stack.
It is unlikely any of us will improve upon this appraoch - or reduce
the "footprint" it demands in the process.
The answer is "short-term" storage for the average woodworker and the
various "on edge w/support" approach is likely to prove the best way
to go.
The quantity stored should reflect the operation(s) in progress and
the delivery time required for such large materials.
When it comes to large or bulky stock and materials, order what you
need a bit before you are prepared to use it seems the best approach.
A "dumpster diver" myself, I have hoarded materials over time in
anticipation of a myriad of "projects" that might someday be. So I can
commiserate with the OP's intentions and have attempted various
"solutions" to comport my need for work space with my disinclination
to turn some long-held stash into firewood.
I built a big barn, then added an extension and intend to build an
equipment shed next - and re-arrange the basement while I'm at it.
The cart shown at http://diversify.com/wood/sheetgoodcart.jpg doesn't
seem to "do it" as the footprint appears too small to support a 4 x 8
sheet on it's long edge. In my case, I use a couple of short 2x4
"feet" attached with a 1x3 ledger strip and lay the sheets on these
feet and lean them against the shop wall
But, as mentioned, this is not a great idea for long-term storage of a
variety of sheets intended for unspecified projects to be started at
some time in the future.
As to the over-head storage idea, I'd pass. Too old any more to be
wielding 40 pound sheets of stock I can barely hold onto into a small
opening seven or eight feet above the floor. To say nothing of the
difficulty of removing the bottom sheet when it is - and none of the
others on top of it - needed for the project.
On 1/13/2010 10:43 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> It is not just the weight. Plywood under the best of circumstances is
> clumsy. Tight spaces and lifting just makes it that much more difficult.
Overhead storage of bulky, unwieldy and heavy items in a known area of
limited space sounds very much to me like congressional problem solving
funded by taxpayer dollars.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>
>>Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
> ---------------------------------------------
> Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then store
> plywood on table top and storage underneath.
>
> The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate storage
> area.
>
> Lew
A 4x8 work surface..... Now that would be nice....if I had room for that,
but If I ever do,,,,, that will work.
Hoosierpopi wrote:
> As to the over-head storage idea, I'd pass. Too old any more to be
> wielding 40 pound sheets of stock I can barely hold onto into a small
> opening seven or eight feet above the floor. To say nothing of the
> difficulty of removing the bottom sheet when it is - and none of the
> others on top of it - needed for the project.
you never saw someone pull the tablecloth out from under the fully set place
settings?
same way. it's all in the wrist.
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:43:46 -0500, the infamous "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
>
>"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On Jan 13, 10:21 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>> >My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>> >Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage
>> >system
>> >that hangs from the ceiling.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Consider the following:
>>
>> A 4'x8'x1/2" sheet of CDX weighs over 40 lbs.
>>
>> Storing that kind of weight and size overhead is a tad more difficult
>> than pushing on a rope.
>>
>> Lew
>
>Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
>===================================
>
>If you are going to lift large, unwieldy sheets of plywood overhead, you
>will need to devise a method of lifting them. Unless, of course, you are
>super strong and muscular. ;)
>
>It is not just the weight. Plywood under the best of circumstances is
>clumsy. Tight spaces and lifting just makes it that much more difficult.
Pulling one down usually takes a second person on a ladder.
http://fwd4.me/BNe My dovetailed <titter> plywood cart. I ended up
running the pipe up into the attic for more tilt-proofing, finding
that a few sheets of ply have a very high center of mass and and are
an easy tip. Also, I have to rearrange the entire shop to get to my
wood. Luckily, all the tools are on 5" casters or mobile bases. I went
with 5" casters because one can roll right over an air hose and never
feel it.
--
What helps luck is a habit of watching for opportunities, of
having a patient, but restless mind, of sacrificing one's
ease or vanity, of uniting a love of detail to foresight, and
of passing through hard times bravely and cheerfully.
-- Charles Victor Cherbuliez
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:23:46 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
>Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
>that hangs from the ceiling.
>
>Has anyone here done this before?
>
>I waste a lot of plywood because it eventually gets ruined in my shop
>w/o a dedicated storage system.
I recall a Tools and Shops issue of Fine Woodworking some years ago
where someone had an overhead storage that I believe was for sheet
goods. The shop was very small, if I recall correctly.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" wrote:
>
>> Ok. You got me thinking Lew. Need to rethink this.
> ---------------------------------------------
> Might consider building a heavy duty 4'x8' table, say 42" high, then
> store plywood on table top and storage underneath.
>
> The ply stays flat and you reclaim the floor space for alternate
> storage area.
That works. Only problem is that the sheet I want is always on the bottom
:(
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GarageWoodworks wrote:
> My next project is going to be to make a plywood storage system.
> Because I have limited space, I am planning on making a storage system
> that hangs from the ceiling.
How many sheets? Let's see...
20 sheets of 3/4 would weigh about 1500. Stored flat that would be about
47 lbs/sq.ft load if the weight was perfectly supported over the entire area
which it can't be.
I don't think I'd want to do it.
Storing sheet goods is a real PITA.
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