My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
large number of built-ins for a new construction project. They were
built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks in advance=85
Scott
Yes, not the most repairable. If they are not kitchen cabs, they could
do the same with Shellac making it a bit more repairable. Also, Maple
is a closed enough grain that a few clear coats first will always let
you sand back to an un-toned state so you can easily redo whole
sections but spot fixing toned work is not so easy but it has been
done.
On May 27, 9:50=A0am, Charlie Groh <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >It sounds like they just stained the test pieces right? So they should
> >try some more tests and use a "toned" film finish. Use transtint dyes
> >or something like that to color some lacquer. Any color you like. Mix
> >it lighter that you want for a finished color and add layers to get
> >the color you want. Spray it for the best even coverage. You need to
> >be careful to get it real even. You can lay down a few coats of clear
> >first so it is easy to remove mistakes and re-do.
>
> ...that sounds like a solution...don't wanna be the guy to fix it down
> the line, though. =A0;0)
>
> cg
>
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>
>
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> >On May 25, 5:55=A0am, onoahimahi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
> >> large number of built-ins for a new construction project. =A0They were
> >> built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
> >> them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
> >> come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
> >> pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
> >> pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
> >> book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
> >> Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
> >> ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
> >> staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
> >> appreciated. Thanks in advance=85
>
> >> Scott- Hide quoted text -
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It sounds like they just stained the test pieces right? So they should
>try some more tests and use a "toned" film finish. Use transtint dyes
>or something like that to color some lacquer. Any color you like. Mix
>it lighter that you want for a finished color and add layers to get
>the color you want. Spray it for the best even coverage. You need to
>be careful to get it real even. You can lay down a few coats of clear
>first so it is easy to remove mistakes and re-do.
...that sounds like a solution...don't wanna be the guy to fix it down
the line, though. ;0)
cg
>
>On May 25, 5:55 am, onoahimahi <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
>> large number of built-ins for a new construction project. They were
>> built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
>> them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
>> come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
>> pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
>> pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
>> book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
>> Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
>> ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
>> staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
>> appreciated. Thanks in advance
>>
>> Scott
On May 25, 10:39=A0am, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> onoahimahi wrote:
> > My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
> > large number of built-ins for a new construction project. =A0They were
> > built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
> > them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
> > come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
> > pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
> > pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
> > book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
> > Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
> > ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
> > staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
> > appreciated. Thanks in advance=85
>
>
> Short answer: =A0You can't stain Maple with pigment stains like Minwax.
> Look into dye-based stains such as Behlen's Solar-Lux.
I don't think that is necessarily the stain's fault, and I'm not a
Minwax fan. I think it is more people's preconception of what the
finished product will look like. In their mind they had a uniform
look, but the wood veneer is book-matched maple - light will reflect
off the alternating veneer strips differently. Some stains will
accentuate the difference. A posted picture would help determine if
it is a matter of taste or if there was something wrong with the stain
application.
R
It sounds like they just stained the test pieces right? So they should
try some more tests and use a "toned" film finish. Use transtint dyes
or something like that to color some lacquer. Any color you like. Mix
it lighter that you want for a finished color and add layers to get
the color you want. Spray it for the best even coverage. You need to
be careful to get it real even. You can lay down a few coats of clear
first so it is easy to remove mistakes and re-do.
On May 25, 5:55=A0am, onoahimahi <[email protected]> wrote:
> My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
> large number of built-ins for a new construction project. =A0They were
> built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
> them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
> come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
> pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
> pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
> book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
> Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
> ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
> staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance=85
>
> Scott
onoahimahi wrote:
> My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
> large number of built-ins for a new construction project. They were
> built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
> them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
> come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
> pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
> pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
> book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
> Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
> ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
> staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance
>
> Scott
Short answer: You can't stain Maple with pigment stains like Minwax.
Look into dye-based stains such as Behlen's Solar-Lux.
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 25, 10:39 am, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> onoahimahi wrote:
>> > My sister works part-time as an interior designer and helped design a
>> > large number of built-ins for a new construction project. They were
>> > built with maple veneer plywood by the contractor. The customer wants
>> > them stained to offset them from the natural maple floors and they
>> > come up with a gray color they like by mixing together some Minwax
>> > pigment stain products. When they applied the stain to some scrap test
>> > pieces, the results were terrible. Apparently the veneer is made of
>> > book-matched 4 inch strips and it came out looking candy striped.
>> > Alternating strips are dark and light and she said it looks
>> > ridiculous. The contractor said that he conditioned the wood before
>> > staining. Any ideas on how to correct this situation would be greatly
>> > appreciated. Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> Short answer: You can't stain Maple with pigment stains like Minwax.
>> Look into dye-based stains such as Behlen's Solar-Lux.
>
>I don't think that is necessarily the stain's fault, and I'm not a
>Minwax fan. I think it is more people's preconception of what the
>finished product will look like. In their mind they had a uniform
>look, but the wood veneer is book-matched maple - light will reflect
>off the alternating veneer strips differently. Some stains will
>accentuate the difference. A posted picture would help determine if
>it is a matter of taste or if there was something wrong with the stain
>application.
>
>R
...I think you are correct, it's a matter of how light is reflecting
from the surface(s). Think how they mow major league ballparks...
cg