Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
tools, never really builds anything.
Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
a bit of burn.
I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
The cutters are brand new - days old.
Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
rarely use these types of cutters.
Thanks
Joe Bemier wrote:
> Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
> tools, never really builds anything.
> Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
> problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
> a bit of burn.
>
> I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
> installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
>
> The cutters are brand new - days old.
Sounds like a bad bit. If cleaning the bit and collet and adjusting
the router speed don't make the vibration go away get a new set of
bits.
>
> Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
> here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
> rarely use these types of cutters.
>
> Thanks
What size router is he using?(Horsepower rating) Is it a variable speed
router? If it is what speed was he cutting at? Is he cutting the Stile in
one pass? Is he trying to cut the rail in one pass? What type lumber are you
cutting? Was the bit mounted correctly in the Router? Let us know.
"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
> tools, never really builds anything.
> Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
> problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
> a bit of burn.
>
> I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
> installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
>
> The cutters are brand new - days old.
>
> Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
> here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
> rarely use these types of cutters.
>
> Thanks
"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
> a bit of burn.
Burning is typically caused by too slow a feed rate. If you think that
maximum feed rate was being used and the burning was still being caused,
then I'd suggest using multiple passes while taking off less stock at a
time. That will let one increase the feed rate eliminating the burn.
"Jerry Dickens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What size router is he using?(Horsepower rating) Is it a variable speed
> router? If it is what speed was he cutting at? Is he cutting the Stile in
> one pass? Is he trying to cut the rail in one pass? What type lumber are
> you
> cutting? Was the bit mounted correctly in the Router? Let us know.
>SNIP
Good Gosh!
I am sorry but it is not a yes or no type answer and there is more involved
than what this person that is asking how to help is telling us so far.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3N05h.13$tb2.11@trnddc08...
>
> "Jerry Dickens" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What size router is he using?(Horsepower rating) Is it a variable speed
> > router? If it is what speed was he cutting at? Is he cutting the Stile
in
> > one pass? Is he trying to cut the rail in one pass? What type lumber are
> > you
> > cutting? Was the bit mounted correctly in the Router? Let us know.
> >SNIP
>
> Good Gosh!
>
>
"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
> tools, never really builds anything.
> Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
> problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
> a bit of burn.
>
> I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
> installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
>
> The cutters are brand new - days old.
>
> Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
> here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
> rarely use these types of cutters.
When you say vibration do you mean with the router idling or only during
cutting? If it's any time the router is running I'd suspect a
defective/damaged bit. Inspect it very carefully under a good light with a
magnifier and see if you can see anything obvious, also with the router
unplugged turn the bit by hand while looking at it from the side against a
background with some vertical lines and see if you can see any indication
that it's bent.
Even Whiteside occasionally lets something slip through quality control and
_anything_ can be damaged in shipping.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:59:59 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
>> a bit of burn.
>
>Burning is typically caused by too slow a feed rate. If you think that
>maximum feed rate was being used and the burning was still being caused,
>then I'd suggest using multiple passes while taking off less stock at a
>time. That will let one increase the feed rate eliminating the burn.
>
Thanks Upscale. You are correct. tonight I watched what he is doing
and the feed is much too slow.
In addition, I found damage on the lower cutter (slotting cutter). If
you can believe this --- he made a jig and to get the correct height
he used sandpaper sheets. The sandpaper resulted in some very fine
chipping to the lower cutter.
he's too much - really nice guy but seems to have no common sense at
all.
Thanks again,
J
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:09:24 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> do you mean with the router idling or only during
>cutting? If it's any time t
All the time
See my response to Upscale just above.
I think the vibration might be caused by the chip-out leaving the
cutter unbalanced. I also found he was not setting the bit deep into
the collet. When I re-set it much of the vibration decreased.
Thanks,
J
On 10 Nov 2006 05:52:26 -0800, "RayV" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Joe Bemier wrote:
>> Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
>> tools, never really builds anything.
>> Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
>> problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
>> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
>> a bit of burn.
>>
>> I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
>> installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
>>
>> The cutters are brand new - days old.
>
>Sounds like a bad bit. If cleaning the bit and collet and adjusting
>the router speed don't make the vibration go away get a new set of
>bits.
You are correct, Ray
Thanks,
J
>>
>> Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
>> here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
>> rarely use these types of cutters.
>>
>> Thanks
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:58:08 -0500, "Jerry Dickens"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>What size router is he using?(Horsepower rating) Is it a variable speed
>router? If it is what speed was he cutting at? Is he cutting the Stile in
>one pass? Is he trying to cut the rail in one pass? What type lumber are you
>cutting? Was the bit mounted correctly in the Router? Let us know.
>"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Some of you might remember my neighbor - wealthy, lots of very good
>> tools, never really builds anything.
>> Anyway, last evening he dragged me over to his shop as he was having
>> problems with his new Stile and Rail set (Whiteside).
>> The Stile cutter is working fine but the rail cutter is leaving quite
>> a bit of burn.
>>
>> I did note some very high frequency vibration when the rail cutter is
>> installed - not when the Stile cutter is installed.
>>
>> The cutters are brand new - days old.
>>
>> Frankly, I failed to correct his problem but told him I would post in
>> here and see if you guys had any suggestions. I'm a stair builder and
>> rarely use these types of cutters.
>>
>> Thanks
>
Thanks Jerry but it looks as if it was caused by feed rate and some
bit damage - see above.
Thanks,
J