In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Should I pay more for Porter Cable or Bosch router bits? Or should I
> just get the Ryobi ones? What about "off brands"? I cannot find a
> 1/8" bit straight (1/4" shank) cut anywhere that is not in one of the
> "higher" priced ones, except in the off brands on Ebay or Harbor
> Freight. Thanks.
>
Check out:
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/
They have a lot of decent bits for the beginner. I have
used them for 15+ years. Still "beginning" I guess!
Lou
PS: Get the 1/2 shanks at no extra cost.
[email protected] wrote:
> So something like this is garbage?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4376210006&category=50387&sspagename=rvi:1:2v_home#ebayphotohosting
>
That seems a fair inference.
Dave
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> the bit in the link he provided says it's carbide. the one at the top of
> the page.
>
> Dave
You must have a different link. All the ones here are HSS and yes, I've
used one and yes, it is garbage. When I first bought a router AI had no idea
what bits I needed so I got a few cheapies to try it out. Cut about 12" of
pine and I tossed them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4376210006&category=50387&sspagename=rvi:1:2v_home#ebayphotohosting
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>So something like this is garbage?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4376210006
Well, I don't know that I'd go so far as to say it's garbage. Vermont American
certainly isn't in the top tier of tool manufacturers, quality-wise, but their
stuff isn't exactly junk either.
Note, though, that it's high-speed steel. Not carbide. As HSS bits go, Vermont
American is halfway decent... but good HSS bits don't cut as cleanly, nor last
nearly as long, as good carbide bits do. For limited use in softwoods, this
will probably do fine. For repeated or extended use in softwoods, or *any* use
in hardwoods, you're better off with a carbide bit.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
[email protected] wrote:
> I like this company. Good prices. Is Cal-Hawk garbage? I found a
> cheap bit for $2.25 on ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4392588557&category=20781&sspagename=rvi:1:3v_home#ebayphotohosting
>
The axiom "you get what you pay for" holds up well when it comes to
router bits.
Dave
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Should I pay more for Porter Cable or Bosch router bits? Or should I
> just get the Ryobi ones? What about "off brands"? I cannot find a
> 1/8" bit straight (1/4" shank) cut anywhere that is not in one of the
> "higher" priced ones, except in the off brands on Ebay or Harbor
> Freight. Thanks.
>
Can't say about Bosch, but PC bits are worth lots more than theoff brand
ones. Whiteside is better still.
Jim
[email protected] wrote in news:1124574751.528664.124620
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Should I pay more for Porter Cable or Bosch router bits? Or should I
> just get the Ryobi ones? What about "off brands"? I cannot find a
> 1/8" bit straight (1/4" shank) cut anywhere that is not in one of the
> "higher" priced ones, except in the off brands on Ebay or Harbor
> Freight. Thanks.
>
I'd avoid the off brands and Harbor Freight stuff. I've personally used
and been pleased with Amana, CMT, and Whiteside.
I've heard people here recommend www.routerbits.com.
[email protected] wrote:
> Now understand I know nothing of what I am asking, but what could go
> wrong here? It's a carbide tipped piece of metal. I am not doubting
> you at all. I'd just like to understand. Thanks.
>
there's more to it than just that it's made of carbide! I've got some
really crappy carbide bits. and I have so long lasting, balanced, well
designed bits that are a pleasure to use. And all carbide is NOT the
same. Think ice cream or peanut butter. Ever thought that ALL ice
cream or peanut butter is the same?? No way! A company that puts out
pricey yet superior bits doesn't fold it's tent and go bankrupt because
there are cheapy bits on the market. Discerning woodworkers know that
the expensive bit is worth the extra bucks; otherwise how do you think
Amana, CMT, et all stay in business? Maybe YOU don't want to use the
better brands, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. If you can't tell, content
yourself with the junky ones.
Dave
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>the bit in the link he provided says it's carbide. the one at the top of
>>the page.
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>
> You must have a different link. All the ones here are HSS and yes, I've
> used one and yes, it is garbage. When I first bought a router AI had no idea
> what bits I needed so I got a few cheapies to try it out. Cut about 12" of
> pine and I tossed them.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4376210006&category=50387&sspagename=rvi:1:2v_home#ebayphotohosting
>
>
I've gotten some so bad I took them back to the store for a refund.
vipers from HD. I ended up keeping the Woodlines but they don't cut
well. Now that I have a dado blade for the tablesaw I don't need to use
the Woodline plywood bits as often so I see no need to buy good
replacements for the Woodlines.
Dave
Dave
Doug Miller wrote:
>
> Note, though, that it's high-speed steel. Not carbide. As HSS bits go, Vermont
> American is halfway decent... but good HSS bits don't cut as cleanly, nor last
> nearly as long, as good carbide bits do. For limited use in softwoods, this
> will probably do fine. For repeated or extended use in softwoods, or *any* use
> in hardwoods, you're better off with a carbide bit.
>
the link I opened shows a carbide bit at the top of the page... You and
Ed mentioned HSS. We must be looking at 2 different items.
Dave
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Now understand I know nothing of what I am asking, but what could go
>>wrong here? It's a carbide tipped piece of metal. I am not doubting
>>you at all. I'd just like to understand. Thanks.
>>
>
>
> The one shown is not carbide, it is high speed steel. It wears faster than
> carbide. Yes, you may get a cut if you want a 3" slot, but it may start to
> burn shortly after. Better bits of that size are solid carbide, not HSS.
> Check out the bits at www.infinitytools.com
>
> You'll be on your third or fourth bit. gouging up the wood, burning it, and
> I'll still be making smooth cuts.
>
> Next lesson: Types of carbide. Yes there are different grades.
>
> There are many other design factors that also come into play. The amount of
> metal, types of welds, and on and on.
>
> Let's say you have $50 in wood and 10 hours in time to get your project to a
> certain state. The final step is to cut a 1/8" groove with your router.
> Yes, this is going to be very visible, very critical. What bit should you
> use? Just something to think about.
the bit in the link he provided says it's carbide. the one at the top
of the page.
Dave
If I had it to do again I would go with a PC because of it's widespread
availability of add-ons. It seems that everything I read says, "Fits PC
######". Read the catalogs and look at baseplates, router tabletops,
Router-Raiser, etc. In my green-ness I bought the Dewalt 618BK3 (three
bases) and while it's a quality piece I'm a little limited due to
inexperience. You will be able to adapt plates and some other accessories
with a little effort - gatta learn sometime, I guess.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Should I pay more for Porter Cable or Bosch router bits? Or should I
> just get the Ryobi ones? What about "off brands"? I cannot find a
> 1/8" bit straight (1/4" shank) cut anywhere that is not in one of the
> "higher" priced ones, except in the off brands on Ebay or Harbor
> Freight. Thanks.
>
[email protected] wrote:
> Thanks. Very informative as your other post.
<snip>
You have been chasing this thing for a week now.
Remember, if you buy them books and they eat the covers, not much you
can do.
One more time now:
Good tools, especially cutting tools, are not low cost.
Some are cheap, but they are not low cost.
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now understand I know nothing of what I am asking, but what could go
> wrong here? It's a carbide tipped piece of metal. I am not doubting
> you at all. I'd just like to understand. Thanks.
>
The one shown is not carbide, it is high speed steel. It wears faster than
carbide. Yes, you may get a cut if you want a 3" slot, but it may start to
burn shortly after. Better bits of that size are solid carbide, not HSS.
Check out the bits at www.infinitytools.com
You'll be on your third or fourth bit. gouging up the wood, burning it, and
I'll still be making smooth cuts.
Next lesson: Types of carbide. Yes there are different grades.
There are many other design factors that also come into play. The amount of
metal, types of welds, and on and on.
Let's say you have $50 in wood and 10 hours in time to get your project to a
certain state. The final step is to cut a 1/8" groove with your router.
Yes, this is going to be very visible, very critical. What bit should you
use? Just something to think about.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Should I pay more for Porter Cable or Bosch router bits?
More than what? Maybe, yes, but you can do better.
> Or should I
> just get the Ryobi ones?
No
> What about "off brands"?
What do you consider off brand?
I cannot find a
> 1/8" bit straight (1/4" shank) cut anywhere that is not in one of the
> "higher" priced ones, except in the off brands on Ebay or Harbor
> Freight. Thanks.
>
Look here http://www.infinitytools.com/products.asp?dept=1089
Infinity, Whiteside, Amana, and a half dozen others that escape me at the
moment are top quality professional grade. Avoid the lowest bidder on things
that spin 22,000 rpm.
In article <[email protected]>, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>
>> Note, though, that it's high-speed steel. Not carbide. As HSS bits go,
> Vermont
>> American is halfway decent... but good HSS bits don't cut as cleanly, nor
> last
>> nearly as long, as good carbide bits do. For limited use in softwoods, this
>> will probably do fine. For repeated or extended use in softwoods, or *any*
> use
>> in hardwoods, you're better off with a carbide bit.
>>
>the link I opened shows a carbide bit at the top of the page... You and
>Ed mentioned HSS. We must be looking at 2 different items.
Yes, we are. The post which *I* responded to references a high-speed steel
bit. The post *you* initially responded to references a carbide bit.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.