I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
Unisaw. Want to spend the minimum but every inexpensive (under $600)
saw I've looked at has a crappy looking trunion and is driven by a
single belt. What's the least expensive quality (cast trunion--3-belt
drive) saw on the market today. Any suggestions appreciated.
Joe.
In article <hankgillette-
[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Illegal aliens are here because they are filling a need. They are taking
> jobs that few Americans are willing to do at the price that the
> employers are paying. It's a problem, but it's not one with an easy
> answer.
>
It's not legal vs illegal that's the problem. It's immigration, period.
We keep insisting on the same attitudes today as we had when the country
needed people to fill all the empty spaces.
I just saw an article that estimates the US population will reach 376
million by 2030. That's three times what it was when I was a young
child.
And it's not from natural increase. Birth rates keep going down so the
politicians keep upping immigration so they can keep the Ponzi game
going.
I know I've posted something similar to this before. I'll keep posting
it every time the subject comes to my attention.
And BTW, studies have shown that the people most hurt financially by
new immigrants are the preceding group of immigrants.
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
"Joe Bleau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
> Unisaw. Want to spend the minimum but every inexpensive (under $600)
> saw I've looked at has a crappy looking trunion and is driven by a
> single belt. What's the least expensive quality (cast trunion--3-belt
> drive) saw on the market today. Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Joe.
What you want is the features of a Unisaw but only want to spend $600. The
Chinese and WalMart will just love you.
What about that new Craftsman saw that is getting good reviews?
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:51:59 -0500, Joe Bleau <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
>Unisaw. Want to spend the minimum but every inexpensive (under $600)
>saw I've looked at has a crappy looking trunion and is driven by a
>single belt. What's the least expensive quality (cast trunion--3-belt
>drive) saw on the market today. Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>Joe.
=============================
Depends on what you plan on using that secondary saw for...and it also
sounds like you want another Cabinet Saw that is ewqual to your
Unisaw?
I run a Jet Cabinet saw as my primary saw...BUT picked up an
older (labeled Delta/Rockwell...so it ain't new by any means)
contractor saw ...
Paid a whopping ten (read 10) bucks for it a few years ago at an
auction where my wife and everyone else were bidding on household
items and knick-knacks.etc...
The saw was complete BUT honest to God...had a MASORARY
installed.......but for 10 bucks....... what the heck.. !!!!
Actually I said only 3 words to myself and those were Not the 3 ...
last word was different, but still only had 4 letters... !
Anyway a few evenings later and with an old WW blade on the saw it it
was running fine...and true..!!!
I mounted a sled on the saw and now use it for cross cutting 99
percent of the time...at other times MY Dado blade is on the saw and
ready to use
It is my secondary saw...and no it is not an industrial class
Cabinet saw but it does what I need ...
Bob Griffiths
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:51:59 -0500, Joe Bleau <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
>Unisaw.
Second Unisaw. Obviously.
In article <[email protected]>,
Joe Bleau <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nobody really gives a crap about America any more. If they did our
> country would not be flooded with illegal immigrants. Politicians on
> both sides avoid the issue like the plague because they are afraid of
> losing a few votes. Meanwhile the American people clamor that
> something be done. They've been clamoring for years and the number of
> illegals just keeps mounting. I know I'm off topic but your remark
> about the Chinese just got me started thinking.
Chance are the same people who are clamoring for something to be done
are the same ones who like paying less for their produce in the grocery
store, like getting cheaper clothing made in a sweatshop (either
overseas or here), and maybe hire an illegal alien to clean their house
or work in their garden.
Illegal aliens are here because they are filling a need. They are taking
jobs that few Americans are willing to do at the price that the
employers are paying. It's a problem, but it's not one with an easy
answer.
--
Hank Gillette
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:26:24 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>What you want is the features of a Unisaw but only want to spend $600. The
>Chinese and WalMart will just love you.
>
>What about that new Craftsman saw that is getting good reviews?
>
Well, since they (the Taiwanese) now own Powermatic and most old-line
U.S. manufacturers are producing a large part of what they sell here
over there I don't see that it makes much difference. Everything now
comes from Asia. I heard that Wallmart buys 18 billion (that's
billion) dollars worth of goods annually in China. We went over there
looking for cheap labor, provided them with our technology, and now
they are making everything we buy. I am just waiting for them to
start producing passenger planes that compete with Boeing.
Nobody really gives a crap about America any more. If they did our
country would not be flooded with illegal immigrants. Politicians on
both sides avoid the issue like the plague because they are afraid of
losing a few votes. Meanwhile the American people clamor that
something be done. They've been clamoring for years and the number of
illegals just keeps mounting. I know I'm off topic but your remark
about the Chinese just got me started thinking.
Joe
Joe Bleau writes:
>Well, since they (the Taiwanese) now own Powermatic and most old-line
>U.S. manufacturers are producing a large part of what they sell here
>over there I don't see that it makes much difference.
Funny. I thought WMH (Powermatic's owner) was European--Swiss IIRC.
Charlie Self
"Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to." Mark Twain
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:56:23 -0500, Joe Bleau <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 14 Dec 2004 09:11:45 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
>wrote:
>
>
>I would really like to know who really does own PM. A dealer told me
<snip>
Powermatic is now part of the same company which owns Jet. I have a
PM66. It says Made in McMinnville, TN. As far as I know the plant
still makes them there. It was my first (and probably last) table
saw purchase.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Funny. I thought WMH (Powermatic's owner) was European--Swiss IIRC.
>
One of:
1) Don't confuse me with facts when my mind's made up.
2) I read this somewhere. Ok, first I wrote it and then I read it.
3) I took Geography from an American Public School.
patrick conroy responds:
>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Funny. I thought WMH (Powermatic's owner) was European--Swiss IIRC.
>>
>
>One of:
snip of first 2
>3) I took Geography from an American Public School.
So did I. But I still insist that the majority of the Swiss in the world do NOT
live just north of Marin County. :)
Charlie Self
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Sir Winston
Churchill
On 14 Dec 2004 09:11:45 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
I would really like to know who really does own PM. A dealer told me
they had been bought by a Far Eastern consortium. Perhaps he was only
trying to disparage the product. Interesting, though. I had an old
Model 66 cabinet saw years ago and loved it. About 15 years ago when
I decided to buy an 8-inch long-bed joiner I ordered a Powermatic. It
came and I immediately returned it. It was indeed a piece of crap. I
bought, instead, a Delta. I believed it's called a J-20. It has
never given me a moment's trouble. I love it. After the experience
with the joiner when the time came to get another table saw I opted
for the Unisaw, given my experience with the PM joiner and I really
have no complaints about the Unisaw though I recognize that it it not
as well built as the old Mod. 66. I haven't seen a new 66 but I seem
to recall someone telling me that they are making them a lot lighter
than the old ones.. Now I need another cabinet saw or contractor's saw
and the ones I've looked at the Borgs all have a single belt and poor
trunions, hence my post.
>Funny. I thought WMH (Powermatic's owner) was European--Swiss IIRC.
>
>Charlie Self
>"Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to." Mark Twain
Joe Bleau writes:
>I would really like to know who really does own PM.
Check out the web site.
>A dealer told me
>they had been bought by a Far Eastern consortium.
Dealer in what? He's trying to sell you something else, right?
> I had an old
>Model 66 cabinet saw years ago and loved it. About 15 years ago when
>I decided to buy an 8-inch long-bed joiner I ordered a Powermatic. It
>came and I immediately returned it. It was indeed a piece of crap. I
>bought, instead, a Delta. I believed it's called a J-20.
The Powermatic of 15 years ago was an American company.
> Now I need another cabinet saw or contractor's saw
>and the ones I've looked at the Borgs all have a single belt and poor
>trunions, hence my post.
Cabinet saws don't have single belts, to my knowledge. The newest Craftsman is
close to a cabinet saw (large trunnions, cabinet mounted), and uses a single
belt, but it's a multi groove poly belt, very thin but about 1" wide.
Someone mentioned Bridgewood as the heaviest duty saw recently, and sent me
some photos with the top popped the present the case very strongly. You might
want to check Wilke Machinery for that (www.wilkemachinery.com).
Charlie Self
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Sir Winston
Churchill
Charlie Self wrote:
> Someone mentioned Bridgewood as the heaviest duty saw recently, and sent
> me some photos with the top popped the present the case very strongly. You
> might want to check Wilke Machinery for that (www.wilkemachinery.com).
What, this little wussy thing?
<http://www.wilkemachinery.com/OnlineCatalogDetailResults4.tpl
?SearchDetail=3117605559334&PreviousCategory=Bridgewood
%20Tilting%20Arbor%20Table%20Saw&RecNum=0>
That ain't a heavy duty saw.
Well hell. I was going to dig up a picture of a REAL industrial saw, and I
can't find one. I know they exist, because I've played with one, but I
have no idea what brand it was. I tried some really complicated google
searches to weed out all the wussy crap from Delta and JET and such, and
still got nowhere.
The fence on the thing I have in my head is a hunk of cast iron about 8"
wide. 16" blade. Probably 10 HP 3-phase power.
Something like the biggest/most expensive machine spec'd out here:
http://www.lentmachinery.com/neweqcatagory/lobo/ts-1616.htm
But a lot beefier still even than this.
Oh well. The thing I have in mind is way out of everyone's league anyway,
so I was only going to offer it as a curiosity; like that gigantic bandsaw
someone posts pictures of from time to time.
--
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Silvan asks:
>
>What, this little wussy thing?
>
><http://www.wilkemachinery.com/OnlineCatalogDetailResults4.tpl
>?SearchDetail=3117605559334&PreviousCategory=Bridgewood
>%20Tilting%20Arbor%20Table%20Saw&RecNum=0>
>
>That ain't a heavy duty saw.
>
>Well hell. I was going to dig up a picture of a REAL industrial saw, and I
>can't find one. I know they exist, because I've played with one, but I
>have no idea what brand it was. I tried some really complicated google
>searches to weed out all the wussy crap from Delta and JET and such, and
>still got nowhere.
>
>The fence on the thing I have in my head is a hunk of cast iron about 8"
>wide. 16" blade. Probably 10 HP 3-phase power.
>
>Something like the biggest/most expensive machine spec'd out here:
>
>http://www.lentmachinery.com/neweqcatagory/lobo/ts-1616.htm
>
>But a lot beefier still even than this.
>
>Oh well. The thing I have in mind is way out of everyone's league anyway,
>so I was only going to offer it as a curiosity; like that gigantic bandsaw
>someone posts pictures of from time to time.
Yeah, but I think the OP is asking about a 10". You got 3 phase in your shed?
Charlie Self
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Sir Winston
Churchill
Have a look at the General International 50-185
http://www.general.ca/product/inter/50175anspe.html
http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Shop_Tools-All-General_Int_l_50-185L_Contractor_Table_Saw/display_~reviews
I don't think you'll find a better value for the money.
The upsides: outstanding finish, comes with 2 full cast wings, great fence,
quite, smooth operation.
The downsides: not a great manual, no micro adjustment on the fence.
I will be buying one when 'working in the garage weather' returns.
-Brian
"Joe Bleau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
: Unisaw. Want to spend the minimum but every inexpensive (under $600)
: saw I've looked at has a crappy looking trunion and is driven by a
: single belt. What's the least expensive quality (cast trunion--3-belt
: drive) saw on the market today. Any suggestions appreciated.
:
: Joe.
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:51:59 -0500, Joe Bleau <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm looking for a secondary table saw to go with my 15-year-old
>Unisaw. Want to spend the minimum but every inexpensive (under $600)
>saw I've looked at has a crappy looking trunion and is driven by a
>single belt. What's the least expensive quality (cast trunion--3-belt
>drive) saw on the market today. Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>Joe.
Used.
Barry