For those who are not aware: A chop saw is for cutting metal - it
is not a mitre saw. A mitre saw is for cutting wood, and is often
wrongly called a chop saw.
I've got a need to cut a lot of pieces of plywood that will be 5"
wide. It'll be cut in 1 3/8", 2 1/4", and 5"m wide pieces. A stop
would be used to insureconsistent cuts will be made.
I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws. Only
problem is, they all seem to be 14". But, with a 12" wood blade, or
even 10", one of these would do just what I need.
I've not made up my mind about trying this yet - I'll need a chop
saw (for meal) down the road, so it wouldn't be wasted if it didn't work
out for this. But, I probably won't have the loose cash this month, or
maybe next month either, and I won't be cutting immediately, there's no
rush.
So, the questions are: Has anyone here tried a shop saw this way?
If so, how did it work out?
If you don't know me, don't waste your time blathering about how it
won't work. I already know it'll work, I just don't know if it's just
what I want.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Tue, Jul 4, 2006, 4:30pm [email protected] (O=A0D) doth burble:
JT. if the chop saw will do as you say it will do, then why not just buy
a cresent wrench instead of a set of open end wenches? Will do the job ?
No? And you can save a lot of money.
I can see you missed the point.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Missed the point? Far from it bunkie. Tools are made for a specific job
for the most part. You kind of remind me of the guy on red/green with
the duct tape.
This is one thread that some one will give you the answer you need to do
something, however you appear to discounting any advice given here. Why
bother? Keep up the good work , I am sure you will make a doctor very
happy someday.
Wed, Jul 5, 2006, 7:16pm [email protected] (O=A0D) doth burbleth:
Missed the point? Far from it bunkie. Tools are made for a specific job
for the most part. You kind of remind me of the guy on red/green with
the duct tape.
This is one thread that some one will give you the answer you need to do
something, however you appear to discounting any advice given here. Why
bother? Keep up the good work , I am sure you will make a doctor very
happy someday.
Missed the point. And, Bunkie? OK, Buttercup. So? Just because
tools are made for a specific purpose doesn't mean they can be used for
other purposes. And don't knock Red Green, or duct tape - he doesn't
rank near as high as Roy or Norm, but ranks waaay above Bob.
If you'd bothered to raad my replies you'd have seen one where I
said I wasn't going to do it. Based on an answer I'd been given.
I'm not one of the two tight people, I ike to make my own jigs,
accessories, and such. You'd have loved the thread I had on
rec.crafts.woodturning on using a power planer to round off a square
piece of wood in a lathe - while the lathe was running. It worked
great, but needs a "frame" so you don't go too far. I'm not stupid, I
research anything I do before I do it. Part of my research is sometimes
asking question - from people who have some actual input. But, I still
get replies from people who've not tried it, won't try it, and don't
want me to try it. No prob. If it's reasonable I may, or not, try it.
The powr planer was great fun, chips of wood going everywere. Think
about it, the planer blade is rotating at a gazillion RPM or so, and the
lathe at a few hundred RPM. No reason it won't zip right thru the wood
with no prob. And that's exactly what it did. No prob. I'll be doing
it again next time I turn, and I've made a planer rest.
I bother because I care.
Don't worry about me. I'm 65 now, never had a kickback on the saw,
never cut any fingers off, etc., etc. Worst damage I've done to my self
is hit my hand with a hammer, and that's been over 20 years ago. I'm
afraid of my powr tools, so I'm very careful around them. No prob.
You're allowed to ignore all my future posts.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Hi JOAT,
Been there, done that! I put a 12" blade on one of these "abrasive
cutoff saws" and learned a lot.
Yes, it will "work". Here's some of the pitfalls (that are not
showstoppers):
1. The machine is built and designed for a lightweight abrasive wheel
(fiberglass or similar resin bond). It used a direct drive universal
motor. The mass of a steel blade is a bit much for this setup. It
took several seconds to spin up, lurching quite a bit when turned on.
2. The arbor and flange had quite a bit more runout than I would like.
With a big heavy 12" blade there was a significant amount of vibration.
I faced the flange on the lathe but there wasn't much I could do about
the arbor (direct drive). This sort of thing tends to make the heart
beat faster.
3. I used a 12" blade because I needed the larger size and the machine
had a 1" arbor. Perhaps you can find a smaller (lighter) blade with a
1" arbor hole. Less mass, less lurch, less vibration, lower heart
rate.
In the end, I decided the extra heart beats weren't worth it. I would
wait to buy a machine designed for the task (or do some serious
re-engineering). You may feel differently.
Ed Bennett
[email protected]
http://www.ts-aligner.com
Home of the TS-Aligner
J T wrote:
> For those who are not aware: A chop saw is for cutting metal - it
> is not a mitre saw. A mitre saw is for cutting wood, and is often
> wrongly called a chop saw.
>
> I've got a need to cut a lot of pieces of plywood that will be 5"
> wide. It'll be cut in 1 3/8", 2 1/4", and 5"m wide pieces. A stop
> would be used to insureconsistent cuts will be made.
>
> I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
> considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
> straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws. Only
> problem is, they all seem to be 14". But, with a 12" wood blade, or
> even 10", one of these would do just what I need.
>
> I've not made up my mind about trying this yet - I'll need a chop
> saw (for meal) down the road, so it wouldn't be wasted if it didn't work
> out for this. But, I probably won't have the loose cash this month, or
> maybe next month either, and I won't be cutting immediately, there's no
> rush.
>
> So, the questions are: Has anyone here tried a shop saw this way?
> If so, how did it work out?
>
> If you don't know me, don't waste your time blathering about how it
> won't work. I already know it'll work, I just don't know if it's just
> what I want.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
J T wrote:
> Tue, Jul 4, 2006, 1:48pm (EDT-3) [email protected] doth adviseth:
> Hi JOAT,
> Been there, done that! <snip>
>
> Hi Ed. That's just the type of info I was after. I'll pass, I
> don't need that much excitement in my life either. Thanks.
>
> For a couple of minutes I did think about getting a power mitre
> saw, but where's the fun in that? I'll make a saw sled, or a circular
> saw setup
of the probably dozen or so miter saws I've had to use, the
circular-saw-and-fence jigs I've built and the sleds I've built the
sleds have been by far the most reliable and accurate. but then I'm
using a powermatic cabinet saw, so YMMV.
Wed, Jul 5, 2006, 8:45am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth sayeth:
of the probably dozen or so miter saws I've had to use,
thecircular-saw-and-fence jigs I've built and the sleds I've built the
sleds have been by far the most reliable and accurate. but then I'm
using a powermatic cabinet saw, so YMMV.
Yup, sleds can be made very accurate. Which is why if I decide to
use a circular saw I'll be making a base for it, to sit between two
parallel guides, making kinda a curcular saw sled. Havent worked out
the details on that yet (busy with another project), but it will be
pretty siple, and it'll make accurate cuts. I'll probably do that,
rather than a table saw sled, because the saw sledt would have to be
dedicated to just cutting those pieces, wouldn't be able to readily
adapt it to any other use. So, I'll probably make the one for t he
circular saw, which I "will" be able to to use for cutting other pieces,
and another "regular" saw sled.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
J T wrote:
>
> For a couple of minutes I did think about getting a power mitre
> saw, but where's the fun in that? I'll make a saw sled, or a circular
> saw setup.
When, literally, all of my tools were stolen, the first two that I
replaced were the chopsaw (I know what I mean and that's the important
thing) and the cordless driver/drill. What do you use now to cut long
stock to length?
R
Wed, Jul 5, 2006, 8:18pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doeth query:
<snip> What do you use now to cut long stock to length?
Nuthin. LOL I'm in the midst of a prototype project just now and
don't need to cut anything to length. What little precision cutting I
need I'm using the scrollsaw. Rough cutting circular saw.
Normally I'd be using my saw sled. But I took the last one apart
to make a new one, which I haven't finished yet.
I'll probably be making a rig for a circular saw (see my other
post), which means I'll be needing some accurate cuts, which means I'll
need to get my saw sled finished soon. But, until I finish the protype,
I won't know exactly what size pieces I'll be needing. No prob. LMAO
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Mike_in_SD wrote:
> Just in case anybody is wondering about going the other way ..
> I was in idiot mode and tried it. I just HAD to chop some steel and
> used my Hitachi miter saw.
>
> Put an abrasive blade on it and went to town.
>
> It actually worked pretty well other than melting every plastic part
> on the saw.
You know, one of the reasons I read this forum is for this kind of
stuff. You have no idea how many times I've avoided i-mode myself
because some poster had done the same thing and written in about it.
I have some rebar to cut this weekend, and I considered this very
thing. I thought about things like RPM, blade/disc runout,
jig-building, etc. The one thing I probably wouldn't have considered
is melting the saw. I don't think my warranty would have covered
"melting."
My mitre saw and I both thank you for the tip!
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > I have some rebar to cut this weekend, and I considered this very
> > thing.
>
> It is cutting torch time.
>
> Don't have one?
>
> Time to barter a couple of cases of cold ones and $20-$30 to cover the
> gas with somebody who does have one.
>
> Lew
sawzall cut about halfway through rebar and it'll snap pretty easily...
>
>Just in case anybody is wondering about going the other way ..
>I was in idiot mode and tried it. I just HAD to chop some steel and
>used my Hitachi miter saw.
>
>Put an abrasive blade on it and went to town.
>
>It actually worked pretty well other than melting every plastic part
>on the saw.
>
>I am currently waiting for the plastic replacement parts
Did the same thing with my Sears miter saw to build 2 trailers. Cuts
the steel very well, melted the plastic blade guard. This saw is now
dedicated to metal cutting. I have since bought a compound sliding
miter for the wood.
I did look at the metal cut off saws that were nicely priced, but when
I fired one up at the store it was less than impressive compared to a
miter saw. It didn't feel 'right'. By comparison, my Sears saw felt
heavy duty to the light feel of the chop saw. They also got upset
that I would actually test out a tool . How dare I make noise with
the tools we sell that make noise. Go figure.
Pete
Tue, Jul 4, 2006, 1:48pm (EDT-3) [email protected] doth adviseth:
Hi JOAT,
Been there, done that! <snip>
Hi Ed. That's just the type of info I was after. I'll pass, I
don't need that much excitement in my life either. Thanks.
For a couple of minutes I did think about getting a power mitre
saw, but where's the fun in that? I'll make a saw sled, or a circular
saw setup.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
>Hi JOAT,
>Been there, done that! <snip>
>
> Hi Ed. That's just the type of info I was after. I'll pass, I
>don't need that much excitement in my life either. Thanks.
>
> For a couple of minutes I did think about getting a power mitre
>saw, but where's the fun in that? I'll make a saw sled, or a circular
>saw setup.
Just in case anybody is wondering about going the other way ..
I was in idiot mode and tried it. I just HAD to chop some steel and
used my Hitachi miter saw.
Put an abrasive blade on it and went to town.
It actually worked pretty well other than melting every plastic part
on the saw.
I am currently waiting for the plastic replacement parts
RicodJour wrote:
> When, literally, all of my tools were stolen, the first two that I
> replaced were the chopsaw (I know what I mean and that's the important
> thing) and the cordless driver/drill. What do you use now to cut long
> stock to length?
Sounds like you and I belong to the same fraternity.
I also had all my tools stolen.
First purchase afterwards was an 18VDC DeWalt drill/panel saw
combination because it was a good deal.
Didn't particularly need the panel saw, but the price was right.
With 20/20 hind sight, can say that little panel saw has been a very
useful tool.
Lew
[email protected] wrote:
> I have some rebar to cut this weekend, and I considered this very
> thing.
It is cutting torch time.
Don't have one?
Time to barter a couple of cases of cold ones and $20-$30 to cover the
gas with somebody who does have one.
Lew
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:10:13 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
> For those who are not aware: A chop saw is for cutting metal - it
>is not a mitre saw. A mitre saw is for cutting wood, and is often
>wrongly called a chop saw.
Pure semantics. In the trade we call them chop saws and we do know
the difference. The term stems more from the action of use whether
cutting wood or metal. For wood Mitre Saw is correct; for metal
Cut-Off Saw is the technical term, I believe.
>
> I've got a need to cut a lot of pieces of plywood that will be 5"
>wide. It'll be cut in 1 3/8", 2 1/4", and 5"m wide pieces. A stop
>would be used to insureconsistent cuts will be made.
>
> I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
>considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
>straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws. Only
>problem is, they all seem to be 14". But, with a 12" wood blade, or
>even 10", one of these would do just what I need.
>
> I've not made up my mind about trying this yet - I'll need a chop
>saw (for meal) down the road, so it wouldn't be wasted if it didn't work
>out for this. But, I probably won't have the loose cash this month, or
>maybe next month either, and I won't be cutting immediately, there's no
>rush.
>
> So, the questions are: Has anyone here tried a shop saw this way?
>If so, how did it work out?
I think you would have to rig up some sort of fence as most metal saws
use a vise device IIRC. The location position of the fence should take
into consideration that you are going down to a 12" blade.
>
> If you don't know me, don't waste your time blathering about how it
>won't work. I already know it'll work, I just don't know if it's just
>what I want.
Work? Sure it can work but making it work safely is the challenge.
Good Luck,
J
>
>
>
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Tue, Jul 4, 2006, 3:57pm [email protected] (Joe=A0Bemier) doth
sayeht:
Pure semantics. <snip> I think you would have to rig up some sort of
fence <snip> Sure it can work but making it work safely is the
challenge.
Semantics yeah, but you might be surprised about the number of
people that don't know the difference.
Yep, it's a given that I'll have to make a fence. No prob. And,
possibly build the bottom up a bit. Also no prob.
Safety. No prob. I'm extremely leery about getting my fingers and
such safely away from the whirley parts. On things like this I make a
specific place to put my hand, with blocking pieces, etc., to hold the
wood in place for cutting. When I put my hand in place to hold the
wood, no way my fingers can get in the blade. I do the same type thing
on my saw sleds. That way If I get distraced by something there's no
way my hand will drift over to the blade. Works very well, on my saw
sleds I'd have to lay my hand down flat, and slide my hand under a guard
before I could possibly get any fingers in to the bade. This does NOT
induce carelessness when not using the saw sled - I like my body parts
as is.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:10:13 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
> For those who are not aware: A chop saw is for cutting metal - it
>is not a mitre saw. A mitre saw is for cutting wood, and is often
>wrongly called a chop saw.
>
> I've got a need to cut a lot of pieces of plywood that will be 5"
>wide. It'll be cut in 1 3/8", 2 1/4", and 5"m wide pieces. A stop
>would be used to insureconsistent cuts will be made.
>
> I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
>considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
>straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws. Only
>problem is, they all seem to be 14". But, with a 12" wood blade, or
>even 10", one of these would do just what I need.
Say JOAT- (Yeah, I know you'll do whatever you like anyhow) The first
power miter saw I got was a 10" Black and Decker- it was $50, IIRC and
is still in use when I do rough framing almost 5 years later, and
there's never been any problems with it. I upgraded to a Delta
because it was quieter, but the B&D was fine for a long time- and
still is, when I'm whacking together a deck or something. I don't
know where you were shopping for the chop saws, but I can't see them
being much cheaper than that. Save those suckers for pipe and bricks,
they're great for that.
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
J T wrote:
> Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 11:53pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
> doth wave and sayeth:
> Say JOAT- (Yeah, I know you'll do whatever you like anyhow) <snip>
>
> Yep, that's pretty much so. But in this case I've decided I'll
> pass on this idea. I'll just wait and get a cut-off sww down the road,
> when I need one for cutting metal for another project.
>
> I do a lot of thinking on stuff like this before I try them.
> You'll notice I never asked about turning a power planer upside down and
> using it as a jointer.
>
> Most of my adult life I've been told that I can't do something -
> mostly by people who mean that they can't do it, so don't want me to try
> it, in case I actually can. And, I usually could. I used to get a lot
> of stuff dumped on me because the person who actually should have been
> doing it didn't know how to do it. I never knew how to do it either but
> I found out - which was apparently beyond the capabilities of the guy
> who should have ben doing it. Does develop self-confidence tho. It's
> all good.
>
> I'm still undecided whether I should make my own mitre saw, using a
> circular saw; or just a "circular saw sled", for cutting my pieces. Or,
> ust to winp out, and make a specialized saw sled for that.
Don't you factor the value of your time into these jury-rigging
projects? I know that with proper impetus, like Maryanne and Ginger,
the professor could make a Geiger counter from a couple of coconuts and
some bamboo, but he had to do it - no options. I often find,
particularly with increasing (decreasing?) years, that keeping my eye
on the objective, and not giving in to the I-wonder-if-I-could...
syndrome, usually means that I spend more time refining what needs to
be refined - the work.
You could of course make a miter saw from scratch, but there's no way
that it would make sense to do so unless you didn't value your time at
all or if you don't have high objectives for the resulting object
d'art.
So, the question is, do you factor in the value of your time, or is it
just a mental/physical exercise?
BTW, I'm a bit surprised that you don't have a miter saw. Considering
that a reasonable one in good working used condition can be had for
substantially less than $100.
R
J T wrote:
>
> I've already pretty much covered the "value" of my time. As long
> as I'm not getting paid or otherwise making money, my time "has" no
> value. Any jig, or whatever, I make is usually for a specific task, and
> modified as needed. There are no store bought versons that fit my
> needs/wants.
True. There's almost always room for improvement. Even if the tool
itself is near perfect there are always accessories of one sort or
another that increase usefulness and operating efficiency.
> I never said I didn't have a mitre saw. I do. A very nice, older,
> manual mitre saw, that I got some time back, for around $20, in almost
> unused condition. Very nice, works great. But it's not what I
> want/need for this application.
Excuse the assumption. What type/brand miter saw do you have?
R
Sat, Jul 8, 2006, 11:29pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
asketh:
<snip> What type/brand miter saw do you have?
Craftsman. Made back when they were well made. Not like today's
output. Nothing fancy, but well made, sturdy, accurate. Unless I can
find one of those with a cast iron base, at a moderate price, I'll stick
with it.
I've also got a couple of old eggbeater drills, that look almost
like new. Made way back. Probably $15 tied up in both - including
shipping. Sometimes eBay works.
Then there's my $5 Big Lots brace. Except for the wood painted
bright red (maker, not me), it looks exactly like the pricey ones in the
catalogs. Chinese knockoff, of course, but they did a very, very, good
job of it. One of these days I may strip the red off, to make it look
really expensive - or not. I shopped eBay, for quite awhile, and
finally got a complete set of bits, for somewhere around $10-12,
including shipping.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Sat, Jul 8, 2006, 2:13pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doth burbleth:
Don't you factor the value of your time into these jury-rigging
projects? <snip>
You could of course make a miter saw from scratch, but there's no way
that it would make sense to do so unless you didn't value your time at
all or if you don't have high objectives for the resulting object d'art.
So, the question is, do you factor in the value of your time, or is it
just a mental/physical exercise?
BTW, I'm a bit surprised that you don't have a miter saw. <snip>
ROTFLMAO Factor in he value of my time? Now that's funny. Of
course not. I do woodworking for the enjoyment of it, I make very
little money from it, so I can afford to take my time, think things out,
and then do them. Making my own jigs, clamps, whatever, is all part of
the enjoyment.
By the way, none of my whatevers are juryrigged. They are all
solidly made and built to last.
Jury-rig \Ju"ry-rig`\, v. t. to rig for temporary service; to construct
flimsily and in makeshift fashion.
If I do decide to make a mitre saw from scratch, it may, or may
not, be an "object d'art", either way it "will" perform its specialized
purpose well. You want to see an object d'art you ought to see my saw
stand, it's kinda sorta art deco.
I've already pretty much covered the "value" of my time. As long
as I'm not getting paid or otherwise making money, my time "has" no
value. Any jig, or whatever, I make is usually for a specific task, and
modified as needed. There are no store bought versons that fit my
needs/wants.
I never said I didn't have a mitre saw. I do. A very nice, older,
manual mitre saw, that I got some time back, for around $20, in almost
unused condition. Very nice, works great. But it's not what I
want/need for this application.
For those of you who don't have a copy, I highly recommend
Capotosto's WOODWORKING WISDOM (200 Origial Jigs, Shop Aids, Tool
Techniques And Projects For the Home Craftsman). I've never made
anything from it, but I've gotten a lot of inspiration. Out of print,
but look around and you should be able to find a copy for maybe $5-6,
with shipping.
For those of you who still don't get it, it pretty much boils
down to - I do stuff like this because it's fun.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Upscale wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > You could of course make a miter saw from scratch, but there's no way
> > that it would make sense to do so unless you didn't value your time at
> > all or if you don't have high objectives for the resulting object
> > d'art.
>
> You're not considering those individuals that get enjoyment just from the
> fact of building something from scratch. To you it might not make sense, but
> to some if it is enjoyable going through the process then it's worthwhile. I
> dare say that describes the majority of the people that have a hobby of one
> sort or another. It's likely those hobbies will *never* result in profit of
> any type and accolades will be few, yet people do it all the time anyway.
It's not a question of enjoyment nor profit. I guess I was asking
about the rationale behind buying a tool designed for another purpose
to do a straightforward task that could easily be done with a tablesaw,
bandsaw, circular saw or any number of other tools that were designed
for cutting wood and are probably already in his shop. If he's looking
to save money, building a jig to simplify and speed up the process with
the tools he has wouldn't cost him anything. If he's just looking for
justification to buy the metal chopsaw, well, it seems to me that most
people don't need assistance in that department.
R
Sat, Jul 8, 2006, 8:47pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
I guess I was asking about the rationale behind buying a tool designed
for another purpose to do a straightforward task that could easily be
done with a tablesaw, bandsaw, circular saw or any number of other tools
that were designed for cutting wood and are probably already in his
shop. If he's looking to save money, building a jig to simplify and
speed up the process with the tools he has wouldn't cost him anything.
If he's just looking for justification to buy the metal chopsaw, well,
it seems to me that most people don't need assistance in that
department.
Ah ha. My original question in using a cut-off saw was NOT for a
straightforward job. If it was I'd have not asked, just made a jig for
my saw or circular saw - bandsaw would be way too slow.
I could use a power mitre saw, but I don't have money to spare for
one at this time, and would still have to make a jig for it to do what I
need/want.
As is, I could either make a rather complex saw sled, that can
adjust for varying cuts, or a series of simpler sleds. Either way will
be kinda a PITA, but that's about the only way I'd be able to get the
cutting speed, and accuracy, I need. Downside, that's about all they
could be used for.
Still a PITA, but possibly the best bet, is to make a dedicated
power mitre saw, using a circular saw. Not that much of a PITA
actually, except for getting it setup to cut square, the rest of it
would be pretty simple. This could be useful for other projects too.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 11:53pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
doth wave and sayeth:
Say JOAT- (Yeah, I know you'll do whatever you like anyhow) <snip>
Yep, that's pretty much so. But in this case I've decided I'll
pass on this idea. I'll just wait and get a cut-off sww down the road,
when I need one for cutting metal for another project.
I do a lot of thinking on stuff like this before I try them.
You'll notice I never asked about turning a power planer upside down and
using it as a jointer.
Most of my adult life I've been told that I can't do something -
mostly by people who mean that they can't do it, so don't want me to try
it, in case I actually can. And, I usually could. I used to get a lot
of stuff dumped on me because the person who actually should have been
doing it didn't know how to do it. I never knew how to do it either but
I found out - which was apparently beyond the capabilities of the guy
who should have ben doing it. Does develop self-confidence tho. It's
all good.
I'm still undecided whether I should make my own mitre saw, using a
circular saw; or just a "circular saw sled", for cutting my pieces. Or,
ust to winp out, and make a specialized saw sled for that.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> It's not a question of enjoyment nor profit. I guess I was asking
> about the rationale behind buying a tool designed for another purpose
> to do a straightforward task that could easily be done with a tablesaw,
> bandsaw, circular saw or any number of other tools that were designed
> for cutting wood and are probably already in his shop.
Well, I for one would be the first to admit that I've bought things with
some project in mind that I never ended up actually doing. And further along
those lines, what I've bought has sat in some corner for several years
because at some point I decided it was a completely useless purchase.
Isn't that part and parcel of being in this consumer society. :)
Upscale wrote:
> Well, I for one would be the first to admit that I've bought things
with
> some project in mind that I never ended up actually doing. And
further along
> those lines, what I've bought has sat in some corner for several years
> because at some point I decided it was a completely useless purchase.
>
> Isn't that part and parcel of being in this consumer society. :)
In the SFWIW category, years ago some sharp young bean counter at
FoMoCo got a corporate policy established that any item in inventory
that had not been used in 12-18 months was to be thrown away.
This policy applied to everything including spare parts, some of which
had long lead times to get.
You can imagine the chaos that created.
The line goes down, the part needed to make the repair was thrown away
and it will take 6 weeks to get a replacement.
Solution:
An outside vendor set up shop in the parts crib and owned all the
inventory.
When they needed a spare part, it was there.
Of course FoMoCo paid a higher price, but the bean counters were happy.
Lew
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Well, I for one would be the first to admit that I've bought things
> with some project in mind that I never ended up actually doing. And
> further along those lines, what I've bought has sat in some corner for
> several years because at some point I decided it was a completely
> useless purchase.
>
For precisely this reason, our woodworkers' club has an email 'for sale'
list. I've sold a number of tools there over the last five years, which
turned out not to be something I needed to keep around my shop. The buyers
always seem grateful to save a buck or three...
And sometimes I got to go buy another test drive.
Patriarch
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> You could of course make a miter saw from scratch, but there's no way
> that it would make sense to do so unless you didn't value your time at
> all or if you don't have high objectives for the resulting object
> d'art.
You're not considering those individuals that get enjoyment just from the
fact of building something from scratch. To you it might not make sense, but
to some if it is enjoyable going through the process then it's worthwhile. I
dare say that describes the majority of the people that have a hobby of one
sort or another. It's likely those hobbies will *never* result in profit of
any type and accolades will be few, yet people do it all the time anyway.
Sat, Jul 8, 2006, 11:28pm From: [email protected] (Upscale) doth
proclaimeth:
<snip> It's likely those hobbies will *never* result in profit of any
type <snip>
Profit? Profit? You mean people can make money from woodworking?
LMAO
You forgot to mention it's a great stress reliever.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:42:57 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 11:53pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
>doth wave and sayeth:
>Say JOAT- (Yeah, I know you'll do whatever you like anyhow) <snip>
>
> Yep, that's pretty much so. But in this case I've decided I'll
>pass on this idea. I'll just wait and get a cut-off sww down the road,
>when I need one for cutting metal for another project.
>
> I do a lot of thinking on stuff like this before I try them.
>You'll notice I never asked about turning a power planer upside down and
>using it as a jointer.
>
> Most of my adult life I've been told that I can't do something -
>mostly by people who mean that they can't do it, so don't want me to try
>it, in case I actually can. And, I usually could. I used to get a lot
>of stuff dumped on me because the person who actually should have been
>doing it didn't know how to do it. I never knew how to do it either but
>I found out - which was apparently beyond the capabilities of the guy
>who should have ben doing it. Does develop self-confidence tho. It's
>all good.
I know what you mean, despite my cringing a little at the idea of
using that power planer on the lathe a while back. Nothing wrong with
tinkering or innovation- that's the good ol' Yankee way.
> I'm still undecided whether I should make my own mitre saw, using a
>circular saw; or just a "circular saw sled", for cutting my pieces. Or,
>ust to winp out, and make a specialized saw sled for that.
Well, you could do any of those, or use a miter box and hand saw, of
any other number of things- including just using the circular saw by
itself. I don't know if you've tried the commerical miter saws yet or
no, but they're pretty darn good at what they do. Of course, if
you're not doing anything more than cutting square ends, there's no
real reason to get one, or even to "make" one. Could be an idea
you've already considered and passed over, but from what you
described, I think I'd get a sheet of MDF maybe 4-5 feet long, put a
3" high fence on one side, a moveable 3" fence on the other (3 or 4
T-slots and bolts ought to do the trick) and a saddle for the circular
saw that sits over the assembly. That way, you've got full workpiece
support, an adjustable "clamp", and a place to screw on a stop block
for repeat cuts. Simple and cheap- and it doesn't involve the kind of
hardware that trying to make a miter saw at home would probably end up
involving.
Actually, now that I've gotten thinking about it, I'm tempted to make
one up myself and throw it in the back of the work truck. Seems
easier than dragging around the whole miter saw assembly.
>
>
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Sun, Jul 9, 2006, 12:05am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
doth sayeth:
I know what you mean, despite my cringing a little at the idea of using
that power planer on the lathe a while back. <snip>Well, you could do
any of those, or use a miter box and hand saw,<snip> if you're not doing
anything more than cutting square ends, there's no real reason to get
one, or even to "make" one. Could be an idea you've already considered
and passed over, but from what you described, I think I'd get a sheet of
MDF <snip>
LMAO The power planer actually worked out great. Does need some
kind of a jig to do "accurate" work tho - like keeping it from chewing
right thru the wood. LOL You really ought to try it sometime.
Nah, by hand would be way too slow. Yeah, all I need is square
cuts, and yes I had been thinking of something along those lines, but
the thought had kinda got lost in the shuffle. Now that you've brought
it up again, I do think something along those lines would be the way to
go. Thanks Lew. And don't forget to try the power planer with your
lathe. LOL
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:37:30 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sun, Jul 9, 2006, 12:05am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
>doth sayeth:
>I know what you mean, despite my cringing a little at the idea of using
>that power planer on the lathe a while back. <snip>Well, you could do
>any of those, or use a miter box and hand saw,<snip> if you're not doing
>anything more than cutting square ends, there's no real reason to get
>one, or even to "make" one. Could be an idea you've already considered
>and passed over, but from what you described, I think I'd get a sheet of
>MDF <snip>
>
> LMAO The power planer actually worked out great. Does need some
>kind of a jig to do "accurate" work tho - like keeping it from chewing
>right thru the wood. LOL You really ought to try it sometime.
>
> Nah, by hand would be way too slow. Yeah, all I need is square
>cuts, and yes I had been thinking of something along those lines, but
>the thought had kinda got lost in the shuffle. Now that you've brought
>it up again, I do think something along those lines would be the way to
>go. Thanks Lew. And don't forget to try the power planer with your
>lathe. LOL
>
>
>
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
ya know LOAT you would be welcome to come by and cut all the pieces
you need whenever we could arrange a suitable time for both of us. im
near youngsville so it aint too far.
skeez
Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 8:33pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (skeezics) spake
thusly:
ya know LOAT you would be welcome to come by and cut all the pieces you
need whenever we could arrange a suitable time for both of us. im near
youngsville so it aint too far.
LOAT? Appreciate it, but probably not. Too many things I need to
be on around here to spare the time just now. Maybe another time.
Thanks anyway.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:59:56 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 8:33pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (skeezics) spake
>thusly:
>ya know LOAT you would be welcome to come by and cut all the pieces you
>need whenever we could arrange a suitable time for both of us. im near
>youngsville so it aint too far.
>
> LOAT? Appreciate it, but probably not. Too many things I need to
>be on around here to spare the time just now. Maybe another time.
>Thanks anyway.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
sorry JOAT. my typing skills suck.
skeez
Tue, Jul 11, 2006, 3:09pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (skeezics) doth
claimeth:
sorry JOAT. my typing skills suck.
That's your story, and I suppose I'm stuck with it. LOL
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
J T wrote:
> I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
> considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
> straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws.
The only thing I can think of would be whether they can be adjusted to
give perfect 90 degree angles, or whether you're at the mercy of the
manufacturer.
My mitre saw has adjustable stops/detents in two axes.
Chris
Tue, Jul 4, 2006, 2:05pm (EDT-2) [email protected] (Chris=A0Friesen)
doth wondereth:
The only thing I can think of would be whether they can be adjusted to
give perfect 90 degree angles, or whether you're at the mercy of the
manufacturer.
Don' need no steenkin' adjustments. No prob. Make a fence,
adjust, bolt in place. Need to cut angles? Make new fence, adjust,
bolt in place. No prob.
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Every one of them I have ever used was adjustable. Most all swivel for
angles (the vise swivels, not the arm).
"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J T wrote:
>
> > I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
> > considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
> > straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws.
>
> The only thing I can think of would be whether they can be adjusted to
> give perfect 90 degree angles, or whether you're at the mercy of the
> manufacturer.
>
> My mitre saw has adjustable stops/detents in two axes.
>
> Chris
"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Pure semantics. In the trade we call them chop saws and we do know
> the difference.
But would that not make it IMpure semantics?
Well, with the right solvent you can clean off all that dirty ink and
end up with a clean piece of paper! Don't know why these guys like
showing people dirty pieces of paper anyway. Perhaps they think that
with an infinite number of Psychologists and an infinite amount of
time, one of them will eventually spill ink on a piece of paper in such
a way that it demonstrates some sort of intelligence. ;-)
J T wrote:
> Thu, Jul 6, 2006, 7:42pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Edwin Pawlowski) doth
> query:
> But would that not make it IMpure semantics?
>
> Ed? Are you that guy that always sees dirty pictures in the
> Rorschach tests? LMAO
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
Thu, Jul 6, 2006, 7:42pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Edwin=A0Pawlowski) doth
query:
But would that not make it IMpure semantics?
Ed? Are you that guy that always sees dirty pictures in the
Rorschach tests? LMAO
JOAT
Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
Ed? Are you that guy that always sees dirty pictures in the
Rorschach tests? LMAO
They're a test? I have the entire set framed and hung in my private den. I
don't want the kids to see the naked women.
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:10:13 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
> For those who are not aware: A chop saw is for cutting metal - it
>is not a mitre saw. A mitre saw is for cutting wood, and is often
>wrongly called a chop saw.
>
> I've got a need to cut a lot of pieces of plywood that will be 5"
>wide. It'll be cut in 1 3/8", 2 1/4", and 5"m wide pieces. A stop
>would be used to insureconsistent cuts will be made.
>
> I've been eyeballing some of the chop saws. They're available at a
>considerable savings over a power mitre saw, I would be making just
>straight cuts, and their RPMs are within 200 RPMs of mitre saws. Only
>problem is, they all seem to be 14". But, with a 12" wood blade, or
>even 10", one of these would do just what I need.
>
> I've not made up my mind about trying this yet - I'll need a chop
>saw (for meal) down the road, so it wouldn't be wasted if it didn't work
>out for this. But, I probably won't have the loose cash this month, or
>maybe next month either, and I won't be cutting immediately, there's no
>rush.
>
> So, the questions are: Has anyone here tried a shop saw this way?
>If so, how did it work out?
>
> If you don't know me, don't waste your time blathering about how it
>won't work. I already know it'll work, I just don't know if it's just
>what I want.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>Politician \Pol`i*ti"cian\, n. Latin for career criminal
you can get 14" blades also. makita makes a 14" miter saw so blades
should be readily available. BUT THEY AINT CHEEP!!!! lol.
skeez