On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:41:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>
>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>> stacked dado set.
>>>
>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>
>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>
>I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
>your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
>I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
>is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
>have to have a robust saw also.
I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >=20
> > I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> > working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> > Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> > free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery=20
> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>=20
> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need=20
> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.=20
> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a=
=20
> stacked dado set.
>=20
> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about=
=20
> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but=
=20
> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In=
=20
> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance=20
> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the=
=20
> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and=20
> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle=20
> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7=20
> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite=20
> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell=20
> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I=20
received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
https://i.imgur.com/sGJYoVf.jpg
The replacement unit (easily accomplished through Amazon) is fine.
I wish I could offer an in-depth review, but I don't have much to compare i=
t
to. My previous CMS was a 20+ YO low-end Delta. I haven't had the need to=
=20
do much (if any) in the way of compound cuts, mainly crosscuts with some 45=
=C2=B0
every now and then. Works just fine for that. I mainly needed the glide=20
feature because of space limitations.
At 67 lbs, I wouldn't exactly call it portable.=20
Dust collection? Again, the only thing I can compare it to is the old Delta=
.
Compared to that, it's operating room ready. ;-) I did a test just for you=
=20
guys. I vacuumed all around the saw and then crosscut a piece of 1 x 8 popl=
ar.
On the left is with the vacuum off. There's noticeably less sawdust on the
right, but the biggest difference is the cleanliness of my lungs. No spray=
=20
of sawdust in my face.
https://i.imgur.com/YhJv0wW.jpg
One of the first things I did was make a zero clearance insert. The two
piece insert that came with the saw was a joke. The gap was at least 1/2"
wide.
Based on my limited opportunity to compare it to anything other than my old=
=20
Delta, I'm satisfied with the Bosch. I used a 12" Dewalt slider a few month=
s=20
ago in the workshop of the farm SWMBO works at, but that didn't count.=20
Someone used it to cut live branches, so all it did was burn it's way=20
through the wood I was trying to cut. (There was a sheep shearing exhibitio=
n=20
in the barn that the workshop is attached to. I convinced them not to=20
evacuate when the saw set off the smoke detectors in the workshop. Seriousl=
y.)
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 06:25:45 -0800 (PST), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
>
>https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-all-purpose-saw-blade-for-table-saws/
For some reason, I've never seen that web page before. A 16" WWII!
Who wudda thunk? Considering its size, the price isn't that bad,
either.
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:27:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > On 12/9/2017 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:22:16 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >> On 12/9/2017 5:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >>>> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:k
> > >>>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> > >>>>>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> > >>>>>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> > >>>>>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
> > >>>>>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
> > >>>>>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
> > >>>>>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
> > >>>>>>>> stacked dado set.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
> > >>>>>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
> > >>>>>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
> > >>>>>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
> > >>>>>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
> > >>>>>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
> > >>>>>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
> > >>>>>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
> > >>>>>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
> > >>>>>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
> > >>>>>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> > >>>>>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
> > >>>>>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
> > >>>>>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
> > >>>>>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
> > >>>>>> have to have a robust saw also.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
> > >>>>> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
> > >>>>> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
> > >>>>> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
> > >>>>> the saw.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
> > >>>>> was definitely defective.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
> > >>>> cheap blades cutting plywood.
> > >>>
> > >>> I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
> > >>> other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Good! So your are liking the Bosch glide SCMS?
> > >
> > > Well, what it needs is a good test by a knowledgable woodworker before a quality
> > > review could be published. Are you coming north any time soon? You're already
> > > used to snow. ;-)
> > >
> >
> > LOL.. Where north?
>
> Check out the highlights of today's Bills-Colts game. North enough that I had
> season's tickets during the 4-Super-Bowls-In-A-Row era. (no pun intended).
>
> I sat through many a game (and tailgate party) in conditions like they're
> having today. My lake is a little to the right of their lake, so we don't get
> as much Lake Effect snow as they do. Still, I'm only a mile from my lake, so
> I get my share.
Maybe I spoke too soon. We just a got a Lake Effect Snow warning for my area.
Tickets for the Bills game were going for $5 this morning.
On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 8:25:50 AM UTC-6, Sonny wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> > I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
>
> https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-all-purpose-saw-blade-for-table-saws/
https://www.forrestblades.com/chopmaster/
On 12/9/2017 12:23 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
>> an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
>> too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
>> drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
>>
>> Thanks for the info!
>
> Okay this is probably not what you want but it is portable and only
> $119.
>
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-10-in-15-Amp-Single-Bevel-Laser-Folding-Compound-Miter-Saw/1000212097
>
> But it folds up.
>
;~) I think it is about $2300 less than what I want to pay. ;~) I
did look at one of those earlier this week. I doubt it is going to give
me cabinet saw quality cuts.
On 12/8/2017 11:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:42:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>
>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>> stacked dado set.
>
> I'm looking at one, simply because it takes less room than my Bosch. I
> like the Bosch but if I put it on a cabinet, it's *huge*.
THANK YOU! The was my exact thoughts. The Kapex and it's stand and
wings fold up to almost nothing and is very portable. IIRC the Kapex
set up will make repeated cuts up to 94" with the wing extensions extended.
>>
>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks.
>
> Me? No, I have a 12" with the rails sticking out the back (5312, I
> think). :-(
Oh well. ;~)
>
>> In
>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>
> The dust collection on my Bosch is miserable (read: useless). It
> sprays splinters everywhere except into the blade safety cover and
> exhaust port. If I replace it, space is my primary motivation with
> dust collect a close second.
>
I'm right there with you on those thoughts. I want the saw to be easily
moved, set up, and take up little space when not in use.
Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
This one shows the caps for the extensions and how it all fits together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHN4xGvKGRc
And this one seems to prove the saw will hold up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYal6minkE
On 12/9/2017 6:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:23:52 -0600, Markem <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
>>> an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
>>> too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
>>> drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info!
>>
>> Okay this is probably not what you want but it is portable and only
>> $119.
>>
>> https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-10-in-15-Amp-Single-Bevel-Laser-Folding-Compound-Miter-Saw/1000212097
>>
>> But it folds up.
>
> That's not what I would want either but it is a slick product. Nice
> design.
>
The concept is a winner, but for $119 there have to be some compromises
on quality, I would think.
On 12/9/2017 5:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>>>>> stacked dado set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>>>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
>>>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>>>>
>>>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
>>>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
>>>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
>>>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
>>>> have to have a robust saw also.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
>>> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
>>> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
>>> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
>>> the saw.)
>>>
>>> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
>>> was definitely defective.
>>
>> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
>> cheap blades cutting plywood.
>
> I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
> other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
>
Good! So your are liking the Bosch glide SCMS?
On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>
It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
stacked dado set.
IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
out of his truck with no issues resulting.
On 12/9/2017 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:22:16 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/9/2017 5:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:k
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>>>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>>>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>>>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>>>>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>>>>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>>>>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>>>>>>> stacked dado set.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>>>>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>>>>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>>>>>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>>>>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>>>>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>>>>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>>>>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>>>>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>>>>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>>>>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
>>>>>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
>>>>>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
>>>>>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
>>>>>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
>>>>>> have to have a robust saw also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
>>>>> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
>>>>> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
>>>>> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
>>>>> the saw.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
>>>>> was definitely defective.
>>>>
>>>> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
>>>> cheap blades cutting plywood.
>>>
>>> I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
>>> other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Good! So your are liking the Bosch glide SCMS?
>
> Well, what it needs is a good test by a knowledgable woodworker before a quality
> review could be published. Are you coming north any time soon? You're already
> used to snow. ;-)
>
LOL.. Where north?
On 12/9/2017 8:27 AM, Sonny wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 8:25:50 AM UTC-6, Sonny wrote:
>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
>>
>> https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-all-purpose-saw-blade-for-table-saws/
>
> https://www.forrestblades.com/chopmaster/
>
LOL, and don't think the Miter Master Saw Blade. I'm not sure if this
is for a MS or TS.
https://www.forrestblades.com/miter-master-saw-blade-for-the-ultimate-in-miter-cuts/
On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:22:16 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/9/2017 5:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:k
> >>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> >>>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> >>>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> >>>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
> >>>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
> >>>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
> >>>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
> >>>>>> stacked dado set.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
> >>>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
> >>>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
> >>>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
> >>>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
> >>>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
> >>>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
> >>>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
> >>>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
> >>>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
> >>>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> >>>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
> >>>>
> >>>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
> >>>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
> >>>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
> >>>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
> >>>> have to have a robust saw also.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
> >>> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
> >>> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
> >>> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
> >>> the saw.)
> >>>
> >>> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
> >>> was definitely defective.
> >>
> >> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
> >> cheap blades cutting plywood.
> >
> > I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
> > other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
> >
>
> Good! So your are liking the Bosch glide SCMS?
Well, what it needs is a good test by a knowledgable woodworker before a quality
review could be published. Are you coming north any time soon? You're already
used to snow. ;-)
On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> >>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> >>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> >>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
> >>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
> >>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
> >>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
> >>>> stacked dado set.
> >>>>
> >>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
> >>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
> >>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
> >>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
> >>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
> >>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
> >>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
> >>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
> >>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
> >>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
> >>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
> >>>
> >>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> >>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
> >>
> >> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
> >> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
> >> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
> >> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
> >> have to have a robust saw also.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
> > glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
> > blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
> > blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
> > the saw.)
> >
> > Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
> > was definitely defective.
>
> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
> cheap blades cutting plywood.
I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-all-purpose-saw-blade-for-table-saws/
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/8/2017 11:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:42:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>
>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>> stacked dado set.
>>
>> I'm looking at one, simply because it takes less room than my Bosch. I
>> like the Bosch but if I put it on a cabinet, it's *huge*.
>
>THANK YOU! The was my exact thoughts. The Kapex and it's stand and
>wings fold up to almost nothing and is very portable. IIRC the Kapex
>set up will make repeated cuts up to 94" with the wing extensions extended.
I was at work when I posted the above, so just to elaborate a
little...
The back of the fence has to be 26" from the wall, so if I allowed for
a 12" board, it makes the bench 38" wide, both on the left and right
sides of the saw. The saw itself is 44" from front to back. So...
If I make a cabinet for it, it'll be something like 3' to 3'6" by 16
feet. I have the space, but it pushes other stuff further away.
>>>
>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks.
>>
>> Me? No, I have a 12" with the rails sticking out the back (5312, I
>> think). :-(
>
>Oh well. ;~)
>
That was a Bosch 5312, BTW (sorry, I wasn't clear).
>>> In
>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>
>> The dust collection on my Bosch is miserable (read: useless). It
>> sprays splinters everywhere except into the blade safety cover and
>> exhaust port. If I replace it, space is my primary motivation with
>> dust collect a close second.
>>
>
>I'm right there with you on those thoughts. I want the saw to be easily
>moved, set up, and take up little space when not in use.
I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
siding in the spring).
>
>Have you seen this?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
either the Bosch or HF.
<http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
However, I'm not at all happy with the rigidity of any of the Festool
stands/tables. IMO, the router table is simply dangerous and I don't
need portable. I'd rather have storage space.
>This one shows the caps for the extensions and how it all fits together.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHN4xGvKGRc
>
>And this one seems to prove the saw will hold up.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYal6minkE
AIUI, there have also been problems with Kapexes (Kapi?) burning up.
There is pretty consistent chatter on the FOG about this. FWIG by
reading the FOG is that Festool didn't handle the situation well,
either. Dunno, $1500 is a bunch of money/
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:49:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/9/2017 9:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:25:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
>>>>>> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
>>>>>> siding in the spring).
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
>>>>> every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
>>>>> and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
>>>>> to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
>>>>> me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
>>>>> space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
>>>>> permanent station.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of space (~2000 ft^2) but it's cut up by (unfinished)
>>>> walls under the walls on the first floor. There is one long room that
>>>> would be good for the SCMS. It's right next to my DC, as well. It
>>>> wouldn't be a huge advantage to move it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you seen this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
>>>>>> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
>>>>>> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
>>>>>> either the Bosch or HF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
>>>>
>>>> Not hard at all. Two levers pop the saw/table off the unit (though
>>>> the saw is heavy). The legs fold up, inside and there is a handle on
>>>> the bottom to carry it. It is pretty easy to move, though it's not
>>>> light. I like it because the supports can be extended 6' on either
>>>> side of the saw.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking more at a stand that the saw does not have to be removed to
>>> be mobile. I might, like my TS, move the saw station a 3~4 times in a
>>> single day. But I understand what you are saying about the one you have.
>>
>> I also have one of these that I use for my PC planer. It wouldn't be
>> nearly as good for an SCMS because it's not as long. But I agree with
>> you, for this use the Festool is a better solution, if for no other
>> reason than its weight. These solutions are a lot heavier (though
>> also a lot cheaper - maybe $50 per pound ;-). As I said before,
>> though, I'm not happy with the stability of any of the Festool stands
>> or tables. I like things with sharp spinning things to stay still.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Just don't let go of the handle till the thing stops bouncing around. LOL
Three holes for the price of one!
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> >>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> >>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> >>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
> >> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
> >>
> >> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
> >> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
> >> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with=
a
> >> stacked dado set.
> >>
> >> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share abo=
ut
> >> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls bu=
t
> >> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. I=
n
> >> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
> >> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting th=
e
> >> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
> >> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
> >> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
> >> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
> >> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
> >> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
> >=20
> > Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> > received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>=20
> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of=20
> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.=
=20
> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock=
=20
> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you=20
> have to have a robust saw also.
>=20
>=20
I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 differe=
nt
blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came wit=
h
the saw.)
Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
was definitely defective.
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/sGJYoVf.jpg
> >=20
> > The replacement unit (easily accomplished through Amazon) is fine.
> >=20
> > I wish I could offer an in-depth review, but I don't have much to compa=
re it
> > to. My previous CMS was a 20+ YO low-end Delta. I haven't had the need =
to
> > do much (if any) in the way of compound cuts, mainly crosscuts with som=
e 45=C2=B0
> > every now and then. Works just fine for that. I mainly needed the glide
> > feature because of space limitations.
>=20
> Ahh the Delta, I have one that is about that age, maybe older. It is a=
=20
> 12 CMS. Freaky loud and cranky. When I got my first cabinet saw and=20
> Forrest WWII I immediately retired the Delta. I have used it a time or=
=20
> two since. I miss having a miter saw when I need to make a good clean=20
> cut and the TS is set up for something else.
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > At 67 lbs, I wouldn't exactly call it portable.
>=20
> No, and an advantage to the Kapex is it's 47 lbs. PLUS it's compact=20
> size and nothing slides past the back of the saw, much like the Bosch Gli=
de.
>=20
> >=20
> > Dust collection? Again, the only thing I can compare it to is the old D=
elta.
> > Compared to that, it's operating room ready. ;-) I did a test just for =
you
> > guys. I vacuumed all around the saw and then crosscut a piece of 1 x 8 =
poplar.
> >=20
> > On the left is with the vacuum off. There's noticeably less sawdust on =
the
> > right, but the biggest difference is the cleanliness of my lungs. No sp=
ray
> > of sawdust in my face.
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/YhJv0wW.jpg
>=20
> Thanks for reposting.
> >=20
> > One of the first things I did was make a zero clearance insert. The two
> > piece insert that came with the saw was a joke. The gap was at least 1/=
2"
> > wide.
> >=20
> > Based on my limited opportunity to compare it to anything other than my=
old
> > Delta, I'm satisfied with the Bosch. I used a 12" Dewalt slider a few m=
onths
> > ago in the workshop of the farm SWMBO works at, but that didn't count.
> > Someone used it to cut live branches, so all it did was burn it's way
> > through the wood I was trying to cut. (There was a sheep shearing exhib=
ition
> > in the barn that the workshop is attached to. I convinced them not to
> > evacuate when the saw set off the smoke detectors in the workshop. Seri=
ously.)
> >
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
>> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
>> siding in the spring).
>
>Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
>every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
>and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
>to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
>me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
>space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
>permanent station.
I have a lot of space (~2000 ft^2) but it's cut up by (unfinished)
walls under the walls on the first floor. There is one long room that
would be good for the SCMS. It's right next to my DC, as well. It
wouldn't be a huge advantage to move it.
>
>>>
>>> Have you seen this?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>>
>> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
>> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
>> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
>> either the Bosch or HF.
>>
>> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
>
>Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
Not hard at all. Two levers pop the saw/table off the unit (though
the saw is heavy). The legs fold up, inside and there is a handle on
the bottom to carry it. It is pretty easy to move, though it's not
light. I like it because the supports can be extended 6' on either
side of the saw.
<...>
On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:27:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/9/2017 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:22:16 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/9/2017 5:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>> On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:k
> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
> >>>>>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
> >>>>>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
> >>>>>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
> >>>>>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
> >>>>>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
> >>>>>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
> >>>>>>>> stacked dado set.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
> >>>>>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
> >>>>>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
> >>>>>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
> >>>>>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
> >>>>>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
> >>>>>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
> >>>>>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
> >>>>>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
> >>>>>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
> >>>>>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> >>>>>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
> >>>>>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
> >>>>>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
> >>>>>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
> >>>>>> have to have a robust saw also.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
> >>>>> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
> >>>>> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
> >>>>> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
> >>>>> the saw.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
> >>>>> was definitely defective.
> >>>>
> >>>> Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
> >>>> cheap blades cutting plywood.
> >>>
> >>> I see. Those 2 incidents were totally unrelated. One was a defective saw, the
> >>> other was a cheap plywood blade. Both issues have now been resolved. :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Good! So your are liking the Bosch glide SCMS?
> >
> > Well, what it needs is a good test by a knowledgable woodworker before a quality
> > review could be published. Are you coming north any time soon? You're already
> > used to snow. ;-)
> >
>
> LOL.. Where north?
Check out the highlights of today's Bills-Colts game. North enough that I had
season's tickets during the 4-Super-Bowls-In-A-Row era. (no pun intended).
I sat through many a game (and tailgate party) in conditions like they're
having today. My lake is a little to the right of their lake, so we don't get
as much Lake Effect snow as they do. Still, I'm only a mile from my lake, so
I get my share.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
>an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
>too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
>drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
>
>Thanks for the info!
Okay this is probably not what you want but it is portable and only
$119.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-10-in-15-Amp-Single-Bevel-Laser-Folding-Compound-Miter-Saw/1000212097
But it folds up.
On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>
>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>> stacked dado set.
>>
>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>
> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
have to have a robust saw also.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/sGJYoVf.jpg
>
> The replacement unit (easily accomplished through Amazon) is fine.
>
> I wish I could offer an in-depth review, but I don't have much to compare it
> to. My previous CMS was a 20+ YO low-end Delta. I haven't had the need to
> do much (if any) in the way of compound cuts, mainly crosscuts with some 45°
> every now and then. Works just fine for that. I mainly needed the glide
> feature because of space limitations.
Ahh the Delta, I have one that is about that age, maybe older. It is a
12 CMS. Freaky loud and cranky. When I got my first cabinet saw and
Forrest WWII I immediately retired the Delta. I have used it a time or
two since. I miss having a miter saw when I need to make a good clean
cut and the TS is set up for something else.
>
> At 67 lbs, I wouldn't exactly call it portable.
No, and an advantage to the Kapex is it's 47 lbs. PLUS it's compact
size and nothing slides past the back of the saw, much like the Bosch Glide.
>
> Dust collection? Again, the only thing I can compare it to is the old Delta.
> Compared to that, it's operating room ready. ;-) I did a test just for you
> guys. I vacuumed all around the saw and then crosscut a piece of 1 x 8 poplar.
>
> On the left is with the vacuum off. There's noticeably less sawdust on the
> right, but the biggest difference is the cleanliness of my lungs. No spray
> of sawdust in my face.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/YhJv0wW.jpg
Thanks for reposting.
>
> One of the first things I did was make a zero clearance insert. The two
> piece insert that came with the saw was a joke. The gap was at least 1/2"
> wide.
>
> Based on my limited opportunity to compare it to anything other than my old
> Delta, I'm satisfied with the Bosch. I used a 12" Dewalt slider a few months
> ago in the workshop of the farm SWMBO works at, but that didn't count.
> Someone used it to cut live branches, so all it did was burn it's way
> through the wood I was trying to cut. (There was a sheep shearing exhibition
> in the barn that the workshop is attached to. I convinced them not to
> evacuate when the saw set off the smoke detectors in the workshop. Seriously.)
>
On 12/9/2017 9:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:25:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/2017 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
>>>>> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
>>>>> siding in the spring).
>>>>
>>>> Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
>>>> every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
>>>> and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
>>>> to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
>>>> me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
>>>> space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
>>>> permanent station.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of space (~2000 ft^2) but it's cut up by (unfinished)
>>> walls under the walls on the first floor. There is one long room that
>>> would be good for the SCMS. It's right next to my DC, as well. It
>>> wouldn't be a huge advantage to move it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you seen this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
>>>>> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
>>>>> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
>>>>> either the Bosch or HF.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
>>>>
>>>> Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
>>>
>>> Not hard at all. Two levers pop the saw/table off the unit (though
>>> the saw is heavy). The legs fold up, inside and there is a handle on
>>> the bottom to carry it. It is pretty easy to move, though it's not
>>> light. I like it because the supports can be extended 6' on either
>>> side of the saw.
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>
>> I'm looking more at a stand that the saw does not have to be removed to
>> be mobile. I might, like my TS, move the saw station a 3~4 times in a
>> single day. But I understand what you are saying about the one you have.
>
> I also have one of these that I use for my PC planer. It wouldn't be
> nearly as good for an SCMS because it's not as long. But I agree with
> you, for this use the Festool is a better solution, if for no other
> reason than its weight. These solutions are a lot heavier (though
> also a lot cheaper - maybe $50 per pound ;-). As I said before,
> though, I'm not happy with the stability of any of the Festool stands
> or tables. I like things with sharp spinning things to stay still.
>
>
>
>
Just don't let go of the handle till the thing stops bouncing around. LOL
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:25:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/8/2017 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
>>>> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
>>>> siding in the spring).
>>>
>>> Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
>>> every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
>>> and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
>>> to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
>>> me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
>>> space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
>>> permanent station.
>>
>> I have a lot of space (~2000 ft^2) but it's cut up by (unfinished)
>> walls under the walls on the first floor. There is one long room that
>> would be good for the SCMS. It's right next to my DC, as well. It
>> wouldn't be a huge advantage to move it.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you seen this?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
>>>> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
>>>> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
>>>> either the Bosch or HF.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
>>>
>>> Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
>>
>> Not hard at all. Two levers pop the saw/table off the unit (though
>> the saw is heavy). The legs fold up, inside and there is a handle on
>> the bottom to carry it. It is pretty easy to move, though it's not
>> light. I like it because the supports can be extended 6' on either
>> side of the saw.
>>
>> <...>
>>
>
>I'm looking more at a stand that the saw does not have to be removed to
>be mobile. I might, like my TS, move the saw station a 3~4 times in a
>single day. But I understand what you are saying about the one you have.
I also have one of these that I use for my PC planer. It wouldn't be
nearly as good for an SCMS because it's not as long. But I agree with
you, for this use the Festool is a better solution, if for no other
reason than its weight. These solutions are a lot heavier (though
also a lot cheaper - maybe $50 per pound ;-). As I said before,
though, I'm not happy with the stability of any of the Festool stands
or tables. I like things with sharp spinning things to stay still.
On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/2017 11:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:42:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>>
>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>>> stacked dado set.
>>>
>>> I'm looking at one, simply because it takes less room than my Bosch. I
>>> like the Bosch but if I put it on a cabinet, it's *huge*.
>>
>> THANK YOU! The was my exact thoughts. The Kapex and it's stand and
>> wings fold up to almost nothing and is very portable. IIRC the Kapex
>> set up will make repeated cuts up to 94" with the wing extensions extended.
>
> I was at work when I posted the above, so just to elaborate a
> little...
NP
>
> The back of the fence has to be 26" from the wall, so if I allowed for
> a 12" board, it makes the bench 38" wide, both on the left and right
> sides of the saw. The saw itself is 44" from front to back. So...
> If I make a cabinet for it, it'll be something like 3' to 3'6" by 16
> feet. I have the space, but it pushes other stuff further away.
>
Been there done that with a non slider and did not like the real estate
that the bench took up when not in use.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks.
>>>
>>> Me? No, I have a 12" with the rails sticking out the back (5312, I
>>> think). :-(
>>
>> Oh well. ;~)
>>
> That was a Bosch 5312, BTW (sorry, I wasn't clear).
Not a problem, thanks.
>
>>>> In
>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>>
>>> The dust collection on my Bosch is miserable (read: useless). It
>>> sprays splinters everywhere except into the blade safety cover and
>>> exhaust port. If I replace it, space is my primary motivation with
>>> dust collect a close second.
>>>
>>
>> I'm right there with you on those thoughts. I want the saw to be easily
>> moved, set up, and take up little space when not in use.
>
> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
> siding in the spring).
Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
permanent station.
>>
>> Have you seen this?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>
> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
> either the Bosch or HF.
>
> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
>
> However, I'm not at all happy with the rigidity of any of the Festool
> stands/tables. IMO, the router table is simply dangerous and I don't
> need portable. I'd rather have storage space.
Understood! But the saw needs to be rigid more so than the stand. The
Festool extensions only have to hold a board up and provide a repeatable
stop. BUT i'll try one out at the Festool road show on Monday.
Actually my local Woodcraft recently switched to the Kapex set up in its
lumber section. I could probably try that one too.
>
>> This one shows the caps for the extensions and how it all fits together.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHN4xGvKGRc
>>
>> And this one seems to prove the saw will hold up.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYal6minkE
>
> AIUI, there have also been problems with Kapexes (Kapi?) burning up.
> There is pretty consistent chatter on the FOG about this. FWIG by
> reading the FOG is that Festool didn't handle the situation well,
> either. Dunno, $1500 is a bunch of money/
>
I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
Thanks for the info!
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:42:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>
>
>
>It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>
>Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>stacked dado set.
I'm looking at one, simply because it takes less room than my Bosch. I
like the Bosch but if I put it on a cabinet, it's *huge*.
>
>IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks.
Me? No, I have a 12" with the rails sticking out the back (5312, I
think). :-(
>In
>particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>out of his truck with no issues resulting.
The dust collection on my Bosch is miserable (read: useless). It
sprays splinters everywhere except into the blade safety cover and
exhaust port. If I replace it, space is my primary motivation with
dust collect a close second.
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:24:29 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/9/2017 6:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:23:52 -0600, Markem <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
>>>> an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
>>>> too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
>>>> drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info!
>>>
>>> Okay this is probably not what you want but it is portable and only
>>> $119.
>>>
>>> https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-10-in-15-Amp-Single-Bevel-Laser-Folding-Compound-Miter-Saw/1000212097
>>>
>>> But it folds up.
>>
>> That's not what I would want either but it is a slick product. Nice
>> design.
>>
>
>The concept is a winner, but for $119 there have to be some compromises
>on quality, I would think.
Sure. A 3-1/2" cut, with a 10" blade isn't all that interesting,
either. It's obviously designed for construction, not furniture
making.
On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:23:52 -0600, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>I have not heard about burning up problems, I do know the early ones had
>>an issue with changing the miter angle. I'll have to look into that
>>too. $1500 is a bunch of money, but I think I would be more likely to
>>drag the assembly out and use it over another set up.
>>
>>Thanks for the info!
>
>Okay this is probably not what you want but it is portable and only
>$119.
>
>https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-10-in-15-Amp-Single-Bevel-Laser-Folding-Compound-Miter-Saw/1000212097
>
>But it folds up.
That's not what I would want either but it is a slick product. Nice
design.
On 12/8/2017 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:41:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>>
>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>>> stacked dado set.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>>
>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>>
>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
>> have to have a robust saw also.
>
> I believe the "ChopMaster" is set up for a SCMS. Is there a 12" WWII?
>
Yes there is a 12" WWII and quite pricey. AND Yes, the ChopMaster
would be the correct blade for the MS.
On 12/8/2017 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 20:53:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/2017 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:37:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not so interested in moving it. I have a HF 10" CMS that works
>>> well enough for things I'd want to do outside (I have to do some
>>> siding in the spring).
>>
>> Everything in my shop is mobile regardless of size. I find that I move
>> every thing to an optimum spot for use. Same would go for the miter saw
>> and because most miter saw stations are relatively permanent if you want
>> to be able to make long repeated cuts the Kapex set up fits the bill for
>> me. Yes I could get pretty damn good for less than half price but
>> space, even in a 3 car garage, is beginning to shrink. No room for a
>> permanent station.
>
> I have a lot of space (~2000 ft^2) but it's cut up by (unfinished)
> walls under the walls on the first floor. There is one long room that
> would be good for the SCMS. It's right next to my DC, as well. It
> wouldn't be a huge advantage to move it.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen this?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAkF733INM
>>>
>>> Yes, I've seen it. I can see where it would be perfect for a
>>> carpenter, where portability and setup time is a priority. I have one
>>> of these, with an extra set of mounting hardware so I can use it with
>>> either the Bosch or HF.
>>>
>>> <http://www.dewalt.com/products/accessories/tool-accessories/saw-accessories/miter-saw-accessories-and-stands/heavy-duty-miter-saw-stand/dwx723>
>>
>> Looks good but kinda hard to move around on a whim. ;~)
>
> Not hard at all. Two levers pop the saw/table off the unit (though
> the saw is heavy). The legs fold up, inside and there is a handle on
> the bottom to carry it. It is pretty easy to move, though it's not
> light. I like it because the supports can be extended 6' on either
> side of the saw.
>
> <...>
>
I'm looking more at a stand that the saw does not have to be removed to
be mobile. I might, like my TS, move the saw station a 3~4 times in a
single day. But I understand what you are saying about the one you have.
On 12/8/2017 9:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:41:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/8/2017 7:41 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a day off work today (have more days left than there are
>>>>> working days left in the year) to go to the Festool Roadshow at
>>>>> Highland Woodworking. Well worth the time spent, particularly the
>>>>> free battery and charger ($145 list). Nice swag!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a great display, we get it this coming Monday. I got a battery
>>>> last year hoping for another or a discount on something. Ha. Ha.
>>>>
>>>> Looking closely and seriously at the Kapex... ;~) Nope, I don't need
>>>> one, cant justify one, but there times that it might be very helpful.
>>>> Seems I always need to make a good clean cut when my TS is set up with a
>>>> stacked dado set.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC you have the Bosch glide CMS. 10" or 12"? Anything to share about
>>>> that saw? I love the smoothness of the glide and up front controls but
>>>> for only 2.5 times the money, LOL, the Kapex offers a lot of perks. In
>>>> particular the ease of dialing in the bevel aided with counter balance
>>>> so that you don't have a lot of weight to hang on to when adjusting the
>>>> bevel. Dial laser indicating the wood that will disappear, small and
>>>> relatively lite weight, pretty good dust collection, the angle
>>>> finder/setup thingey, and lot's of good reviews. I saw a video of a 7
>>>> year old Kapex with dents and dings that gets carried to the jobsite
>>>> every day, the carpenter/owner still swears by it. Apparently it fell
>>>> out of his truck with no issues resulting.
>>>
>>> Tis I that has the Bosch 10" Glide. You may recall that the first one I
>>> received was faulty, leaving teeth marks as the blade spun down.
>>
>> I stand corrected, and you have a tooth blade problem with several of
>> your blades. :!) One day you will venture out and get a Forrest WWII.
>> I switched to that blade in 1999 and have not looked back. If the stock
>> is flat and straight I get no tooth marks, often burnished. BUT you
>> have to have a robust saw also.
>>
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you are saying there. The image below is from the first
> glide saw I received from Amazon. The marks were there regardless of the
> blade used, even ones that worked fine on the old Delta. (I tried 3 different
> blades on the Bosch just to be sure it wasn't the Bosch blade that came with
> the saw.)
>
> Once the saw itself was swapped out, that "tooth gouge" was gone. The saw
> was definitely defective.
Understood but you had that issue and IIRC a recent issue with some
cheap blades cutting plywood.