> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
> of them.
While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.
Just my $.02 for today.
MJ Wallace
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
>permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
>free via ANY medium.
>
>That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
>generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.
>
>Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
>website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
>not.
>
>"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"
>
Well said. It was not that us nay-sayers were saying that it cannot be
done, or, as you said, that it is not done, just that we think it is a bad
thing to do. IMO, if someone says, "I think that that is not a good idea"
and the response is, "FU, I'll do whatever I want", then a rejoinder that
"Well, then I might call the cops" seems proportional, as the guys at the
Pentagon say. Had the potential pirate ignored the "not a good idea"
comment or responded with a cogent argument, I doubt that the cops option
would have been broached. But that's just the view from my armchair. Igor
I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>> of them.
>
>While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
>the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
>Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>
>I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
>issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
>Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
>save on shipping.
>
>Just my $.02 for today.
>
>MJ Wallace
On 2005-02-17, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>>
>>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
>
> You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
> days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.
Posting the pdf files is the same as stealing them from the company. It's
not a victimless crime; they're $4.99 each.
--
I can find no modern furniture that is as well designed and emotionally
satisfying as that made by the Arts and Crafts movement in the early years
of the last century.
On 17 Feb 2005 20:51:54 GMT, Ed Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2005-02-17, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>>>
>>>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>>>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>>>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>>>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
>>
>> You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
>> days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.
>
> Posting the pdf files is the same as stealing them from the company. It's
> not a victimless crime; they're $4.99 each.
Yup. Some of us make money in selling intellectual property, and feel
it's disgusting when people casually steal money from our colleagues.
Hell, I won't even steal from Microsoft, even though I dislike them
intensely.
On 17 Feb 2005 20:51:54 GMT, Ed Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2005-02-17, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>>>
>>>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>>>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>>>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>>>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
>>
>> You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
>> days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.
>
>Posting the pdf files is the same as stealing them from the company. It's
>not a victimless crime; they're $4.99 each.
So I guess you and the previous dope are the victims?
You poor things.
Guess what Ed if you have a child over the age of 12 with access to a computer
look no further for someone to report for theft.
what website are you talking about...??? this is usenet
FWIW ..I don't give a rats ass about any of the following so save your
sermon for somebody that cares. Like I said... don't want them.. don't
download them. It don't get any simpler than that
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
>permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
>free via ANY medium.
>
>That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
>generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.
>
>Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
>website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
>not.
>
>"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"
>
>
>
>"K_Line" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>> the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>> promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>> one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>> >> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>> >> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>> >> of them.
>> >
>> >While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
>> >the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
>> >Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>> >
>> >I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
>> >issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
>> >Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
>> >save on shipping.
>> >
>> >Just my $.02 for today.
>> >
>> >MJ Wallace
>>
>
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:00:02 -0500, "doc44"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>anyone have copies of Shopnotes
>
>vol 9 #52
>
>vol 10 #55
>
>vol 11 #64 and #65
>
>vol 13 #73, 74 ,75 and 76
>
>that they would like to sell
>
I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:59:24 -0800, David <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
>
>You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
>days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.
You got is backwards asshole. I don't steal from my neighbours, and
that makes the world a better place.
On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:34 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]> wrote:
>There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines
Ebay???
http://search.ebay.com/shopnotes_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8
Per my last reply.
I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:34 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines
>
> Ebay???
> http://search.ebay.com/shopnotes_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8
The message that I just sent to August Home
I subscribe to both Shopnotes and Woodsmith. I have collected all of the
issues except 8 of the Shopnotes. The eight that I am missing are no longer
available on your website. My question is would it be a permitted by your
company for someone to make a PDF of these 8, or would it be a copyright
infringement.
"Guess who" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:38:29 -0500, "doc44"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I don't think it is such a big deal.
>
> Then write to them and ask permission. Is that so difficult?
>
I don't think it is such a big deal. The company no longer sells these. They
have stated that it is not worth there money or trouble to reprint the older
ones anymore. If they would sell them I would buy them from August Homes.
I just don't want to have to buy 25 mags (from E-Bay) to get the few that I
need to complete my collection.
"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
>>permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or
>>for
>>free via ANY medium.
>>
>>That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
>>generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you
>>in.
>>
>>Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
>>website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it
>>might
>>not.
>>
>>"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"
>>
>
> Well said. It was not that us nay-sayers were saying that it cannot be
> done, or, as you said, that it is not done, just that we think it is a bad
> thing to do. IMO, if someone says, "I think that that is not a good idea"
> and the response is, "FU, I'll do whatever I want", then a rejoinder that
> "Well, then I might call the cops" seems proportional, as the guys at the
> Pentagon say. Had the potential pirate ignored the "not a good idea"
> comment or responded with a cogent argument, I doubt that the cops option
> would have been broached. But that's just the view from my armchair.
> Igor
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:15:22 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Per my last reply.
>
>I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
>up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want.
>
PDF is better.
I have printed out many articles, even the entire magazine from mine.
When I'm done I toss it in the garbage. My PDF version stays pristine.
You can also printout the PDFs MUCH larger than the magazine.
Helps with reading those little measurements.
I'm presently doing my own PDFs of the first 5 years of WOOD magazine.
>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:34 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines
>>
>> Ebay???
>> http://search.ebay.com/shopnotes_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8
>
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Guess who
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>
>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
send what ever you want anywhere you want ...
I require no permission from anyone
How is the weather in Toronto by the way?
X-Complaints-To: [email protected]
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>
>You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
>it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
>perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
>matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.
You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:38:29 -0500, "doc44"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't think it is such a big deal.
Then write to them and ask permission. Is that so difficult?
Scroll down a few lines and read slowly....".if there is enough
interest I can post them in one of the binaries groups"
That sounds pretty straight forward to me... if you are interested
speak up... else shut the fuck up. No advice was asked for... no
pissing was done ... don't agree with it.... well ...like you
said... ignore. .. if you don't want them... don't download them.
pretty simple huh?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:49:05 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>AFAIK, you post here, you are asking for advice of anyone who happens by.
>Seems to go w/ the territory. Don't want advice, don't post here -- or,
>ignore it. But pissing about actually getting advice? -- Igor
>
>On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>>
>>On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>>>> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>>>> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>>>> of them.
>>>
>>>While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
>>>the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
>>>Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>>>
>>>I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
>>>issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
>>>Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
>>>save on shipping.
>>>
>>>Just my $.02 for today.
>>>
>>>MJ Wallace
AFAIK, you post here, you are asking for advice of anyone who happens by.
Seems to go w/ the territory. Don't want advice, don't post here -- or,
ignore it. But pissing about actually getting advice? -- Igor
On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
>the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
>promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
>one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>
>On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>>> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>>> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>>> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>>> of them.
>>
>>While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
>>the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
>>Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>>
>>I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
>>issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
>>Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
>>save on shipping.
>>
>>Just my $.02 for today.
>>
>>MJ Wallace
On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>> of them.
>
>While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
>the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
>Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>
>I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
>issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
>Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
>save on shipping.
>
>Just my $.02 for today.
>
>MJ Wallace
While I may be convinced about copying when something is truly unavailable,
I generally agree very much with your comments. In the rare case in which
I were convinced to provide someone a cc of something out-of-print, it
would be in an e-mail, not by posting to a website/ng. FWIW. -- Igor.
FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
free via ANY medium.
That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.
Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
not.
"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"
"K_Line" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
> the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
> promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
> one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.
>
> On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
> >> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
> >> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
> >> of them.
> >
> >While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
> >the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
> >Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
> >
> >I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
> >issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
> >Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
> >save on shipping.
> >
> >Just my $.02 for today.
> >
> >MJ Wallace
>
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:00:46 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The message that I just sent to August Home
>
>
>
>I subscribe to both Shopnotes and Woodsmith. I have collected all of the
>issues except 8 of the Shopnotes. The eight that I am missing are no longer
>available on your website. My question is would it be a permitted by your
>company for someone to make a PDF of these 8, or would it be a copyright
>infringement.
>
>
Damn. That is impressive. BTW, as one of the "copyright brownshirts" here
(Springtime for Hitler's IP police and all), though I have doubts that it
fits under "fair use", I did/do say that if something is out of print and
someone wants to provide _you_ a copy, IMO that is not a biggie. My
comment above was against the file being posted to a website/NG -- which
would undercut the benefit of the copyright holder ever bringing back
authorized copies. But, regardless, kudos to you. -- Igor
There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines not
download a PDF. I understand that they will be more than the original price.
If your local woodcraft store has them would you be willing to purchase them
and send them to me? I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want. According to
August Home's webpage they are out of these. I went there first.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
>> and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
>> them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
>> of them.
>
> While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
> the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
> Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.
>
> I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
> issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
> Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
> save on shipping.
>
> Just my $.02 for today.
>
> MJ Wallace
>
On 17 Feb 2005 18:02:15 -0600, K_Line <[email protected]> wrote:
>Scroll down a few lines and read slowly....".if there is enough
>interest I can post them in one of the binaries groups"
>That sounds pretty straight forward to me... if you are interested
>speak up... else shut the fuck up. No advice was asked for... no
>pissing was done ... don't agree with it.... well ...like you
>said... ignore. .. if you don't want them... don't download them.
>
>pretty simple huh?
>
Hey, if there is enough interest in the gang, let's go knock over that
store on the corner. Pretty simple, even for a dumb fuck like you. You
post, you get. I'm in the neighborhood, you're in the neighborhood; I see
sumtin', I comment, maybe. Simple?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:18:05 -0800, David <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:15:22 -0500, "doc44" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Per my last reply.
>>
>>I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
>>up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want.
>>
>PDF is better.
>I have printed out many articles, even the entire magazine from mine.
>When I'm done I toss it in the garbage. My PDF version stays pristine.
>You can also printout the PDFs MUCH larger than the magazine.
>Helps with reading those little measurements.
>
>I'm presently doing my own PDFs of the first 5 years of WOOD magazine.
>
>>
I wouldn't mind seeing those posted.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:18:05 -0800, David <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>
>PDF is better.
>I have printed out many articles, even the entire magazine from mine.
>When I'm done I toss it in the garbage. My PDF version stays pristine.
>You can also printout the PDFs MUCH larger than the magazine.
>Helps with reading those little measurements.
>
>I'm presently doing my own PDFs of the first 5 years of WOOD magazine.
>
I agree.. and when burned to DVD they take up very little shelf space
as well.