Scraper?? I don't need to BUY no stinkin' scraper

yeah, Chris, look out! the world is coming to an end!

dave

Chris wrote:

> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
>>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
>>diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
>>times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
>>glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
>>scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
>>that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
>>there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>>
>>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>>
>>1. Better cachet
>>2. Edge will last longer
>>3. Both one and two
>>4. None of the above
>>
>>
>>dave
>
>
>
> BAD going Neander? And MAKING a scraper instead of buying a L-N
> Plane? That's a sure sign of the Apocolypse!
>
> -Chris

In article <[email protected]>, "*Casey*" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi,
>You probably mean pushrods; hydraulic lifters are too short & thick to make
>a decent burnisher, and I think they have only two polished areas, rest is
>rough cast. Also would be hard to get all the oil out of them :-)
>Casey

Who said anything about hydraulic lifters? "Pushrod" is the slang term, "valve
lifter" the correct one.

>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:RTyub.11233$P%[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>> >scrapers?
>>
>> Definitely. But lay off the screwdrivers. There's much harder steel
>readily
>> available: find yourself a machine shop that rebuilds engines, and ask
>them
>> for a few used valve lifters. I got four lifters from a Chevy big-block
>for
>> two bucks, and I figure that's gonna be a lifetime supply of burnishing
>rods.
>> Some cleaning and polishing will be required. And of course there's no
>handle,
>> but part of the fun is turning your own. (Do you have a lathe?)
>>
>> > BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>> >scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>> >
>> >1. Better cachet
>> Probably, but who cares?
>>
>> >2. Edge will last longer
>> Definitely. Scrapers are made from pretty hard steel. You can make your
>own
>> from an old handsaw -- that's likely to be harder steel than a putty
>knife.
>>
>> >3. Both one and two
>> >4. None of the above
>>
>> 5. Longer cutting edge.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>>
>> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for
>Miss America?
>
>

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

You were told correctly and you are right in getting the best tool for the
job.


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, CW, I've got plenty of Snap On tools. I see Greg is babbling again
> about me "professing" to have been a mechanic. That's the case.
> Extensions are as rough as the screwdriver shank that I was told isn't
> as good as a "real" burnisher, due in part to it's roughness. Sounds
> like Greg has his own ideas about what makes for a suitable substitute.
>
> If any other poster says "A", and Gregg says "B", who do you think I'll
> listen to? :)
>
> Besides we've concluded I'll get a "real" burnisher...
>
> I'm all for letting this thread die, BTW..
>
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
> > So who's the mechanic?
> >
> >
> > "Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>>Buy several. You'd be surprised how handy they are. Ground to size
> >>>(diameter) to within .0002. Great for mesuring.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Anyone who professes to be, or have been, a mechanic must have a dozen
> >>suitable extension bars,
> >
> >
> >
>

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> Buy several. You'd be surprised how handy they are. Ground to size
> (diameter) to within .0002. Great for mesuring.
>

Anyone who professes to be, or have been, a mechanic must have a dozen
suitable extension bars, wrenches or ratchets with handles suitable for the
job. Otherwise the guide roller out of a printer will do the job. Any normal
house should have at least a dozen suitable items laying around. Thing is,
you need to go look first.

Leon wrote:
> Which brings up another point, the valve itself would probably work pretty
> well for putting a burr on a scraper. Valves are normally quite hard.

Valves fork very nicely, and the stem is very hard steel. It also has
that nice end that works for a handle. %-)

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

Thus the pleasure, even for this confirmed scraper user of many years, of
the Veritas Dial-a-Curl burnisher. Comes with a set of scrapers, now marked
and set for coarsest glue removal to finest burnished surface.

Sure you can do without, but the kids have to have something to get you for
occasions....

"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:25:35 -0600, "Sweet Sawdust"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Try a piece of broken glass.
>
> Yes and no.
>
> A broken glass scraper is a great scraper, but it's a blunt edge not a
> hook. When it cuts, it makes a Type III chip. A relatively stiff but
> weak material collapses into fine dust. It's a good scraper for
> removing old finishes, but not for smoothing timber.
>
> A hooked scraper makes Type II chips (when it works right). These are
> thin shavings - a fibrous material peels apart and curves upwards in a
> smooth chip.

Scott, you never cease to amaze me with your venom. Have you tried
therapy to deal with your anger? I feel a limerick about to be born...

There once was a crackpot named Scott
Who wasn't as smart as he thought
For always he demeaned others
Knew not the meaning of "brothers"
Will his vitriol ever stop?


dave

Scott Cramer wrote:
snip

Yes, CW, I've got plenty of Snap On tools. I see Greg is babbling again
about me "professing" to have been a mechanic. That's the case.
Extensions are as rough as the screwdriver shank that I was told isn't
as good as a "real" burnisher, due in part to it's roughness. Sounds
like Greg has his own ideas about what makes for a suitable substitute.

If any other poster says "A", and Gregg says "B", who do you think I'll
listen to? :)

Besides we've concluded I'll get a "real" burnisher...

I'm all for letting this thread die, BTW..

dave

CW wrote:
> So who's the mechanic?
>
>
> "Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
>>
>>>Buy several. You'd be surprised how handy they are. Ground to size
>>>(diameter) to within .0002. Great for mesuring.
>>>
>>
>>Anyone who professes to be, or have been, a mechanic must have a dozen
>>suitable extension bars,
>
>
>

"Caractacus Potts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or
> "real"
> > scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled
> a
> > scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
> >
> > 1. Better cachet
> > 2. Edge will last longer
> > 3. Both one and two
> > 4. None of the above
> >
> >
> > dave
> >
>
> Screw drivers work fine. Go to the flea market and get an old saw that
> someone ruined by painting a mill scene on. Cut a scraper out of the
> steel and go to town. You'll probably have better steel in there than
> what's in your putty knife. You can also cut shapes to match any
> profile that you need.
>

Be careful what saw from the flea market you wind up chopping into little
pieces. On another list I subscribe to, a recent "find" by a member
(painted "scene" notwithstanding") turned out to be a very rare handsaw.
Even cleaned up and refurbished it would still be worth a couple thousand
dollars. Ain't no scraper in the world that can make that claim to fame.
Now I'm checking every saw I see looking for the vintage Disstons and
others.

If, OTOH, the blade is rusty and bent and it has a broken bakelite handle or
is otherwise obvious junque, then your solution is perfect.

Jon E

Buy several. You'd be surprised how handy they are. Ground to size
(diameter) to within .0002. Great for mesuring.


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks AGAIN, I've got one of those 6" thick Grainger catalogs somewhere
> in my office...and a Grainger's not far from the HD PRO I want to check
> out tomorrow...
>
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
> > Burnishers are very smooth and very hard. I made mine out of a 3/8 x 3"
> > dowel pin. This is not what you might thing of as a dowel. These are
used as
> > alignment pins in machinery. They are as hard as a file and ground to a
very
> > high surface finish. Mount in a handle. Someplace like Grainger or
Rutland
> > tool would have them. I even saw some at Eagle (before they became
Lowes).
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Is a real burnisher smooth? My screwdriver shanks are pretty rough;
> >>chromed steel, but nontheless ROUGH.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>CW wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If that was a good quality putty knife, it will work as well as
> >
> > anything.
> >
> >>>You do need a good burnisher, however.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
> >>>>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
> >>>>diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
> >>>>times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
> >>>>glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
> >>>>scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
> >>>>that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
> >>>>there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
> >>>>
> >>>>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or
"real"
> >>>>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled
a
> >>>>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
> >>>>
> >>>>1. Better cachet
> >>>>2. Edge will last longer
> >>>>3. Both one and two
> >>>>4. None of the above
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>dave
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> You were told correctly and you are right in getting the best tool for the
> job.

Correct, get the 'right' tool, something appropriate for the task. For
anyone who hasn't closed their minds though, the best tool for the job (a
"real" burnisher) is one that turns the edge by the desired amount. That can
be anything from the chrome on the bumper of a car, a valve stem, hammer
handle (steel hammer of course) a kitchen knife or a LV burnisher - perhaps
even a 'dowel pin'.

Just because an item is sold as a 'burnisher' does not exclude the use of
anything else that provides a perfectly acceptable finish to the edge -
perhaps even superior.

:) Thanks for the kinds words, Tim! I know I can at times be less than
"politically correct" with my bluntness, but I would hope that the vast
majority of my posts are on topic and cover a lot of newbie issues, as
that's what I am at this point. I'm slow and methodical (and forgetful
sometimes -- like drawer bottoms <g>), so I haven't got a lot of
projects under my belt yet, but what I've done so far has met my high
expectations, with a few little flubs here and there. I'm learning from
my mistakes, and more to the point, I'm learning from the kindness of
others here on the Wreck to point in the right direction so often by
sharing their collective and vast knowledge.

If everyone Googled all the time, what would they be Googling if there
were no original content created on the newsgroups???

I'm guilty of acting like a "twit" at times as you've stated, but I hope
on balance, I am receptive to learning and might once in a blue moon
provide a meager bit of helpful information or at least provoke someone
to chime in to answer someone's questions.

Don't worry, Tim, I'll keep asking questions! :)

dave



Tim Douglass wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:23:41 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>If my post seemed a little blunt, perhaps its because this thread has taken
>>48 posts total (13 from BAD himself) to figure out the difference 'between a
>>scraper that is labelled a scraper and a scraper that I "made"?'. Google has
>>plenty of info on this, LV catalogs have some info, books have this info,
>>but instead of typing 'scraper' into Google and returning over 6000 hits he
>>trolled the group - again.
>
>
> Google it, Google it, Google it!! Man I get sick of reading that. I
> guess my personal filters (the ones behind my eyes) work pretty good.
> If a thread seems stupid or of no interest to me I just skip it. If a
> poster says something dumb I just ignore it - I've said more than my
> share of dumb stuff. But for those of you who can't do either, let me
> chime in as someone who's been around on this group for quite a few
> years and who has many years experience as a carpenter and a few as a
> "real" woodworker. I appreciate stupid questions, even ones that have
> been answered a hundred times before, because they are often things
> that either inform me, inspire me or caution me. BAD posted a
> reasonable, on-topic, question that has engendered a lot of
> interesting and informative comment (mixed in with some truly stupid
> attacks on him). I have learned from this thread, and would never have
> bothered to Google any of it. If you come right down to it you can
> probably find out just about anything we discuss in here with some
> appropriate research, but sometimes it is easier to just holler and
> see what others think about it. If you don't feel like answering just
> ignore it!
>
> So, Dave, keep asking the questions, and if you act like a twit at
> times I'll just ignore that, you've got a lot of company in that
> regard, here and in the rest of the world.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com

Is a real burnisher smooth? My screwdriver shanks are pretty rough;
chromed steel, but nontheless ROUGH.

dave

CW wrote:

> If that was a good quality putty knife, it will work as well as anything.
> You do need a good burnisher, however.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
>>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
>>diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
>>times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
>>glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
>>scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
>>that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
>>there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>>
>>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>>
>>1. Better cachet
>>2. Edge will last longer
>>3. Both one and two
>>4. None of the above
>>
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>

Burnishers are very smooth and very hard. I made mine out of a 3/8 x 3"
dowel pin. This is not what you might thing of as a dowel. These are used as
alignment pins in machinery. They are as hard as a file and ground to a very
high surface finish. Mount in a handle. Someplace like Grainger or Rutland
tool would have them. I even saw some at Eagle (before they became Lowes).

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is a real burnisher smooth? My screwdriver shanks are pretty rough;
> chromed steel, but nontheless ROUGH.
>
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
> > If that was a good quality putty knife, it will work as well as
anything.
> > You do need a good burnisher, however.
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
> >>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
> >>diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
> >>times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
> >>glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
> >>scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
> >>that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
> >>there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
> >>
> >>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> >>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> >>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
> >>
> >>1. Better cachet
> >>2. Edge will last longer
> >>3. Both one and two
> >>4. None of the above
> >>
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:u0Yub.193065$275.711399@attbi_s53...
> So who's the mechanic?


BAD was an auto mechanic for around 16yrs http://tinyurl.com/vsg1

Given that information, and a reasonable assumption that he would retain
expensive tools he purchased, such as Snap-On, it would be more than fair to
expect a socket set or two would be floating around.

Hence my statement:

"Anyone who professes to be, or have been, a mechanic must have a dozen
suitable extension bars, wrenches or ratchets with handles suitable for the
job. Otherwise the guide roller out of a printer will do the job. Any normal
house should have at least a dozen suitable items laying around. Thing is,
you need to go look first."

Unless you have super hard scrapers, household items can be used to roll an
edge, even the back of an old kitchen knife.

If my post seemed a little blunt, perhaps its because this thread has taken
48 posts total (13 from BAD himself) to figure out the difference 'between a
scraper that is labelled a scraper and a scraper that I "made"?'. Google has
plenty of info on this, LV catalogs have some info, books have this info,
but instead of typing 'scraper' into Google and returning over 6000 hits he
trolled the group - again.

regards,

Greg

hmm... you only cursed once. I think that's a record, Scotty! I will
not limit my posts, but feel free to respond to only three of mine per
day, with serious responses to serious WW questions. We can both skip
all the OT bs and make EVERYONE happier in the process.

So, meet me half way? That's the deal. Ball's in your court.

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Scott, you never cease to amaze me with your venom. Have you tried
>>therapy to deal with your anger? I feel a limerick about to be born...
>>
>>There once was a crackpot named Scott
>>Who wasn't as smart as he thought
>>For always he demeaned others
>>Knew not the meaning of "brothers"
>>Will his vitriol ever stop?
>
>
> Uh, Dave, that link goes back to June, when you were flapping your
> gums about things of which you knew even less than you do now. There's no
> vitriol there, just a bit of pointed humor.
>
> Here's a dare for you. I dare you to post no more than three times a
> day for two weeks. I guarantee that if you put a bit more thought into
> your posts, actually THINKING about your questions a bit before flooding
> the NG with them, you would see far fewer responses of an insulting nature.
> It is the incessant chatter, pointless blather, and useless responses to
> countless threads that fuels my desire to dope-slap you all the time.
>
> Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
>
> Familiarity breeds contempt.
>
> Think you can do it? Three times a day, for two weeks. Shut your
> yap and listen instead of reporting every stupid goddamn thing you do all
> day long. The only responses you'll get from me will be of a serious,
> helpful nature. For two weeks, at least.
>
> Scott
>
>
>

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1OAub.11250$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
"*Casey*" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >You probably mean pushrods; hydraulic lifters are too short & thick to
make
> >a decent burnisher, and I think they have only two polished areas, rest
is
> >rough cast. Also would be hard to get all the oil out of them :-)
> >Casey
>
> Who said anything about hydraulic lifters? "Pushrod" is the slang term,
"valve
> lifter" the correct one.


Having been in and retired from the automotive industry for 20+ years, and
concerning most any Chevy V8, I can honestly say that I have never heard of
a "Push Rod" being the slang term for "lifter" or "valve lifter". Valve
lifters, be they hydraulic, solid or roller, are used along with "Push
Rods". Push rods and lifters are 2 different parts. Anyway, you will
normally find most Chevy engines small or big block, equipped with hydraulic
lifters and hollow push rods.

So, which is it, the 3" x 3/4" lifter, or the 10" x 1/4" push rod? ;~)
Seems the longer push rod would be much easier to use given its much longer
length. The Lifter on the other hand would seem to be more difficult to use
because it is shorter and many have indention's on the sides that would
interrupt the smooth surface.

ah, Scott I either post a newbie woodworking question, offer an honest
opinion, or make my perhaps pathetic attempts to be funny. I cringe
whenever I see your name show up, as you never act decently. I will
attack back from time to time, but I don't start the mudslinging. I
might give a smart answer response from time to time, but never initiate
the mean-spirited personal attacks such as you do on a persistent basis.
Am I going to have to put you back in my filter list? I've removed
all the miscreants for the time being, but I don't have time for this OT
crap. Talk wood related issues please, or talk to yourself.

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2003, Rob Stokes spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Scott:
>>
>>I know BAD get's "into it" with several, but I also have learned to
>>appreciate his on-topic posts. I can't remember much about your on-topic
>>posting. Care to remind me before I make the "tank/don't tank" decision?
>
>
> I will readily confess that the last few days have seen an orgy of
> BAD bashing. And I will also confess to offering smartass remarks in about
> a 3:1 ratio with useful advice. But I do indeed help when I have something
> to offer.
>
> For sheer volume of posts, BAD has no peers. Consider the numbers,
> look at the chaff:wheat proportions, and then explain why he shouldn't take
> me up on the dare!
>
> Scott

The biggest difference between a "real" scraper and your putty knife scraper
is that a real scraper is probably cheaper than your putty knife and has a
lot longer edge to work with. A regular scraper may hold its hook longer
than your putty knife.

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
> (Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
> diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
> times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
> glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
> scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
> that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
> there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>
> I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
> 1. Better cachet
> 2. Edge will last longer
> 3. Both one and two
> 4. None of the above
>
>
> dave
>

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>scrapers?

Definitely. But lay off the screwdrivers. There's much harder steel readily
available: find yourself a machine shop that rebuilds engines, and ask them
for a few used valve lifters. I got four lifters from a Chevy big-block for
two bucks, and I figure that's gonna be a lifetime supply of burnishing rods.
Some cleaning and polishing will be required. And of course there's no handle,
but part of the fun is turning your own. (Do you have a lathe?)

> BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
>1. Better cachet
Probably, but who cares?

>2. Edge will last longer
Definitely. Scrapers are made from pretty hard steel. You can make your own
from an old handsaw -- that's likely to be harder steel than a putty knife.

>3. Both one and two
>4. None of the above

5. Longer cutting edge.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

I only plonked about 8 guys, and 7 of them have been unplonked.
Whenever someone uses the phrase "he's claimed to" that's tantamount to
saying that I am lying. I don't ever lie. You may disagree with me,
may not like me, but I was brought up to be totally honest and truthful.

Even Cramer is visible now...

dave

Upscale wrote:

> If he plonked as many people as he's claimed to, he wouldn't have anyone
> left to talk to. That would spell death knell for his personality.
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Y1Iub.11359$P%[email protected]...
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>
> Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
>>>NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
>>>pushrods; only lifters. :)
>>>
>>
>>After further review... I stand corrected. But hey Dave, I thought you
>
> plonked
>
>>me?
>
>
>

I've done that. Yes, it works great.


"Sweet Sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Try a piece of broken glass.
>
>

I think your reluctance to accept my terms speak more to your inability
to be mature and sensible. You dropped the ball.

dave

Scott Cramer wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>hmm... you only cursed once. I think that's a record, Scotty! I will
>>not limit my posts, but feel free to respond to only three of mine per
>>day, with serious responses to serious WW questions. We can both skip
>>all the OT bs and make EVERYONE happier in the process.
>>
>>So, meet me half way? That's the deal. Ball's in your court.
>
>
> Sorry, Dave. It's your diarrhea of the mouth, in conjunction with
> constipation of the brain, that's at the heart of the issue.
>
> It's only for two weeks. Can't even bear the thought of it, can you?
>
>
>
>>>On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Scott, you never cease to amaze me with your venom. Have you tried
>>>>therapy to deal with your anger? I feel a limerick about to be
>>>>born...
>>>>
>>>>There once was a crackpot named Scott
>>>>Who wasn't as smart as he thought
>>>>For always he demeaned others
>>>>Knew not the meaning of "brothers"
>>>>Will his vitriol ever stop?
>>>
>>>
>>> Uh, Dave, that link goes back to June, when you were
>>> flapping your
>>>gums about things of which you knew even less than you do now.
>>>There's no vitriol there, just a bit of pointed humor.
>>>
>>> Here's a dare for you. I dare you to post no more than
>>> three times a
>>>day for two weeks. I guarantee that if you put a bit more thought
>>>into your posts, actually THINKING about your questions a bit before
>>>flooding the NG with them, you would see far fewer responses of an
>>>insulting nature. It is the incessant chatter, pointless blather,
>>>and useless responses to countless threads that fuels my desire to
>>>dope-slap you all the time.
>>>
>>>Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
>>>
>>>Familiarity breeds contempt.
>>>
>>> Think you can do it? Three times a day, for two weeks.
>>> Shut your
>>>yap and listen instead of reporting every stupid goddamn thing you do
>>>all day long. The only responses you'll get from me will be of a
>>>serious, helpful nature. For two weeks, at least.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

On 19 Nov 2003, Groggy spake unto rec.woodworking:

>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
>> If he plonked as many people as he's claimed to, he wouldn't have anyone
>> left to talk to. That would spell death knell for his personality.
>>
>
> Personality? Ahh, a euphemism, gotcha ;-)

This will make things clear:

http://tinyurl.com/vnz1

Scott

On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Scott, you never cease to amaze me with your venom. Have you tried
> therapy to deal with your anger? I feel a limerick about to be born...
>
> There once was a crackpot named Scott
> Who wasn't as smart as he thought
> For always he demeaned others
> Knew not the meaning of "brothers"
> Will his vitriol ever stop?

Uh, Dave, that link goes back to June, when you were flapping your
gums about things of which you knew even less than you do now. There's no
vitriol there, just a bit of pointed humor.

Here's a dare for you. I dare you to post no more than three times a
day for two weeks. I guarantee that if you put a bit more thought into
your posts, actually THINKING about your questions a bit before flooding
the NG with them, you would see far fewer responses of an insulting nature.
It is the incessant chatter, pointless blather, and useless responses to
countless threads that fuels my desire to dope-slap you all the time.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Think you can do it? Three times a day, for two weeks. Shut your
yap and listen instead of reporting every stupid goddamn thing you do all
day long. The only responses you'll get from me will be of a serious,
helpful nature. For two weeks, at least.

Scott

On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> hmm... you only cursed once. I think that's a record, Scotty! I will
> not limit my posts, but feel free to respond to only three of mine per
> day, with serious responses to serious WW questions. We can both skip
> all the OT bs and make EVERYONE happier in the process.
>
> So, meet me half way? That's the deal. Ball's in your court.

Sorry, Dave. It's your diarrhea of the mouth, in conjunction with
constipation of the brain, that's at the heart of the issue.

It's only for two weeks. Can't even bear the thought of it, can you?


>> On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>
>>
>>>Scott, you never cease to amaze me with your venom. Have you tried
>>>therapy to deal with your anger? I feel a limerick about to be
>>>born...
>>>
>>>There once was a crackpot named Scott
>>>Who wasn't as smart as he thought
>>>For always he demeaned others
>>>Knew not the meaning of "brothers"
>>>Will his vitriol ever stop?
>>
>>
>> Uh, Dave, that link goes back to June, when you were
>> flapping your
>> gums about things of which you knew even less than you do now.
>> There's no vitriol there, just a bit of pointed humor.
>>
>> Here's a dare for you. I dare you to post no more than
>> three times a
>> day for two weeks. I guarantee that if you put a bit more thought
>> into your posts, actually THINKING about your questions a bit before
>> flooding the NG with them, you would see far fewer responses of an
>> insulting nature. It is the incessant chatter, pointless blather,
>> and useless responses to countless threads that fuels my desire to
>> dope-slap you all the time.
>>
>> Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
>>
>> Familiarity breeds contempt.
>>
>> Think you can do it? Three times a day, for two weeks.
>> Shut your
>> yap and listen instead of reporting every stupid goddamn thing you do
>> all day long. The only responses you'll get from me will be of a
>> serious, helpful nature. For two weeks, at least.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>
>

On 19 Nov 2003, Rob Stokes spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Scott:
>
> I know BAD get's "into it" with several, but I also have learned to
> appreciate his on-topic posts. I can't remember much about your on-topic
> posting. Care to remind me before I make the "tank/don't tank" decision?

I will readily confess that the last few days have seen an orgy of
BAD bashing. And I will also confess to offering smartass remarks in about
a 3:1 ratio with useful advice. But I do indeed help when I have something
to offer.

For sheer volume of posts, BAD has no peers. Consider the numbers,
look at the chaff:wheat proportions, and then explain why he shouldn't take
me up on the dare!

Scott

On 19 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:

> ah, Scott I either post a newbie woodworking question, offer an honest
> opinion, or make my perhaps pathetic attempts to be funny.

And you do all those things, all the time. Why do think you get the
"I had bananas on my cereal" and "how'd the corn come out?" responses from
others here? It's because you post responses whether you have anything to
say or not. And it's usually not.

I dared you to keep it to three posts a day, because, on the average,
that's how many posts of any real value you DO post in a day.

> I cringe
> whenever I see your name show up, as you never act decently. I will
> attack back from time to time, but I don't start the mudslinging. I
> might give a smart answer response from time to time, but never
> initiate the mean-spirited personal attacks such as you do on a
> persistent basis.

I grew up in New England, as has everyone on both sides of my family
for generations. We are a taciturn lot. Needless yammering sets my teeth
on edge. It is not in my nature to suffer fools gladly.
I only pick on you when you are being an asshole. If it seems like
I'm always picking on you, draw your own conclusion.

> Am I going to have to put you back in my filter list? I've removed
> all the miscreants for the time being, but I don't have time for this
> OT crap. Talk wood related issues please, or talk to yourself.

Dave. Think about it. Your fascination with the twit list one of
the things the rest of us laugh *about*. If you piss me off, I respond
primarily for the amusement of others who share my assessment of you. If
you see it and go off on a whining jag, it's that much more amusing.

I dare you again.

Two weeks, no more than three posts a day. Have you got that much
self-control? Surprise us.

Scott

You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
pushrods; only lifters. :)

dave

Leon wrote:

> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1OAub.11250$P%[email protected]...
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>
> "*Casey*" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Hi,
>>>You probably mean pushrods; hydraulic lifters are too short & thick to
>
> make
>
>>>a decent burnisher, and I think they have only two polished areas, rest
>
> is
>
>>>rough cast. Also would be hard to get all the oil out of them :-)
>>>Casey
>>
>>Who said anything about hydraulic lifters? "Pushrod" is the slang term,
>
> "valve
>
>>lifter" the correct one.
>
>
>
> Having been in and retired from the automotive industry for 20+ years, and
> concerning most any Chevy V8, I can honestly say that I have never heard of
> a "Push Rod" being the slang term for "lifter" or "valve lifter". Valve
> lifters, be they hydraulic, solid or roller, are used along with "Push
> Rods". Push rods and lifters are 2 different parts. Anyway, you will
> normally find most Chevy engines small or big block, equipped with hydraulic
> lifters and hollow push rods.
>
> So, which is it, the 3" x 3/4" lifter, or the 10" x 1/4" push rod? ;~)
> Seems the longer push rod would be much easier to use given its much longer
> length. The Lifter on the other hand would seem to be more difficult to use
> because it is shorter and many have indention's on the sides that would
> interrupt the smooth surface.
>
>

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
>NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
>pushrods; only lifters. :)
>
After further review... I stand corrected. But hey Dave, I thought you plonked
me?

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

Hi,
You probably mean pushrods; hydraulic lifters are too short & thick to make
a decent burnisher, and I think they have only two polished areas, rest is
rough cast. Also would be hard to get all the oil out of them :-)
Casey

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RTyub.11233$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> >scrapers?
>
> Definitely. But lay off the screwdrivers. There's much harder steel
readily
> available: find yourself a machine shop that rebuilds engines, and ask
them
> for a few used valve lifters. I got four lifters from a Chevy big-block
for
> two bucks, and I figure that's gonna be a lifetime supply of burnishing
rods.
> Some cleaning and polishing will be required. And of course there's no
handle,
> but part of the fun is turning your own. (Do you have a lathe?)
>
> > BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> >scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
> >
> >1. Better cachet
> Probably, but who cares?
>
> >2. Edge will last longer
> Definitely. Scrapers are made from pretty hard steel. You can make your
own
> from an old handsaw -- that's likely to be harder steel than a putty
knife.
>
> >3. Both one and two
> >4. None of the above
>
> 5. Longer cutting edge.
>
> --
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for
Miss America?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:25:35 -0600, "Sweet Sawdust"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Try a piece of broken glass.

Yes and no.

A broken glass scraper is a great scraper, but it's a blunt edge not a
hook. When it cuts, it makes a Type III chip. A relatively stiff but
weak material collapses into fine dust. It's a good scraper for
removing old finishes, but not for smoothing timber.

A hooked scraper makes Type II chips (when it works right). These are
thin shavings - a fibrous material peels apart and curves upwards in a
smooth chip.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

I didn't read the dare, and don't intend to. It's all white noise.

I broke a drill bit today....it was a pilot bit for a drill/countersink
combo. Serves me right for not "cleaning" it as I was running the pilot hole
in the pine hutch I'm building. why does this matter? This is the first
"thing" I've built since packing up the shop almost a year and a half ago.
It's been so long, woodworking almost feel foreign...almost, but not quite.
I'm learning it's like a bike...it's all coming back to me.

I did manage to remember the first law of woodworking though...."Never build
a project for which you have all the right tools". I'm now the proud owner
of a 1/2" round over bit (I'm sure I had one, but can't find it after the
move) from Lee Valley.... SWMBO's remembering how to shake her head.

BTW...you're not tanked <g!>

Rob

--

Remove CC for email and please visit our web site:
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"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 19 Nov 2003, Rob Stokes spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
> > Scott:
> >
> > I know BAD get's "into it" with several, but I also have learned to
> > appreciate his on-topic posts. I can't remember much about your on-topic
> > posting. Care to remind me before I make the "tank/don't tank" decision?
>
> I will readily confess that the last few days have seen an orgy of
> BAD bashing. And I will also confess to offering smartass remarks in
about
> a 3:1 ratio with useful advice. But I do indeed help when I have
something
> to offer.
>
> For sheer volume of posts, BAD has no peers. Consider the numbers,
> look at the chaff:wheat proportions, and then explain why he shouldn't
take
> me up on the dare!
>
> Scott

Scott:

I know BAD get's "into it" with several, but I also have learned to
appreciate his on-topic posts. I can't remember much about your on-topic
posting. Care to remind me before I make the "tank/don't tank" decision?

Rob

--

Remove CC for email and please visit our web site:
http://www.robswoodworking.com

"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <snipped>

> Sorry, Dave. It's your diarrhea of the mouth, in conjunction with
> constipation of the brain, that's at the heart of the issue.
>
> It's only for two weeks. Can't even bear the thought of it, can you?
>
>
<snipped>

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> If he plonked as many people as he's claimed to, he wouldn't have anyone
> left to talk to. That would spell death knell for his personality.
>

Personality? Ahh, a euphemism, gotcha ;-)

[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in message news:<RTyub.11233$P%[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> >scrapers?
>
> Definitely. But lay off the screwdrivers. There's much harder steel readily
> available: find yourself a machine shop that rebuilds engines, and ask them
> for a few used valve lifters. I got four lifters from a Chevy big-block for
....

Files are hard enough to use as a burnisher. I have used the smooth
part of a rat-tailed file down by the tang. I've heard of other folks
using a belt sander to take the teeth off a file to make a burnisher.
If you try that, do not let the file get too hot. Low alloy high
carbon steel aneals around 325 F. I've also used roll pins which
aren't really hard enough but they work for the same reason that
screwdriver handles work--the stress in the thin section on the
sharp corner of the scraper is much higher than on the rounded
screwdriver shaft.

--

FF

Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
> (Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
> diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
> times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
> glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
> scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
> that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
> there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>
> I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
> 1. Better cachet
> 2. Edge will last longer
> 3. Both one and two
> 4. None of the above
>
>
> dave


BAD going Neander? And MAKING a scraper instead of buying a L-N
Plane? That's a sure sign of the Apocolypse!

-Chris

If he plonked as many people as he's claimed to, he wouldn't have anyone
left to talk to. That would spell death knell for his personality.

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Y1Iub.11359$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
> >NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
> >pushrods; only lifters. :)
> >
> After further review... I stand corrected. But hey Dave, I thought you
plonked
> me?

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
> NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
> pushrods; only lifters. :)
>


Well I was going to go into that aspect concerning the OHC engines but I
don't recall if any late model Chevy V8's have OHC's. He was talking "big
block".

Which brings up another point, the valve itself would probably work pretty
well for putting a burr on a scraper. Valves are normally quite hard.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:36:08 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?

FWIW, a Sandvik (sp?) scraper is the same price or cheaper than a
_good_ putty knife. They're about $6.

I would imagine a screwdriver shaft would get chewed up in a hurry
burnishing a real scraper.

Barry

Tim,

I have read a lot of your posts over the years and respect your views. I
also respect the right of people to ask 'dumb' questions, I learn a lot from
them too. I normally do not tell others to do a google search unless they
don't appear to know about it.

Let me clarify my post, I was referring to Dave specifically because of the
volume of posting he does. That many questions should demand some
forethought, if only as a simple act of consideration to the group.

At some point though, I think we should help those who help themselves a
little. By all means ask questions, but if you intend to ask hundreds of
them, please do some research first.

The key to the issue lies in your own statement

"...sometimes it is easier to just holler and see what others think about
it."

Again, sure, we all do that, human nature at work. After a few hundred posts
by the same person, it is also human nature to say "ok, enough", please do
some research yourself, then, if still stuck, ask away.

regards,

Greg



"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> Google it, Google it, Google it!! Man I get sick of reading that. I
<snip>
> If you come right down to it you can
> probably find out just about anything we discuss in here with some
> appropriate research, but sometimes it is easier to just holler and
> see what others think about it. If you don't feel like answering just
> ignore it!
>
> So, Dave, keep asking the questions, and if you act like a twit at
> times I'll just ignore that, you've got a lot of company in that
> regard, here and in the rest of the world.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:23:41 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>If my post seemed a little blunt, perhaps its because this thread has taken
>48 posts total (13 from BAD himself) to figure out the difference 'between a
>scraper that is labelled a scraper and a scraper that I "made"?'. Google has
>plenty of info on this, LV catalogs have some info, books have this info,
>but instead of typing 'scraper' into Google and returning over 6000 hits he
>trolled the group - again.

Google it, Google it, Google it!! Man I get sick of reading that. I
guess my personal filters (the ones behind my eyes) work pretty good.
If a thread seems stupid or of no interest to me I just skip it. If a
poster says something dumb I just ignore it - I've said more than my
share of dumb stuff. But for those of you who can't do either, let me
chime in as someone who's been around on this group for quite a few
years and who has many years experience as a carpenter and a few as a
"real" woodworker. I appreciate stupid questions, even ones that have
been answered a hundred times before, because they are often things
that either inform me, inspire me or caution me. BAD posted a
reasonable, on-topic, question that has engendered a lot of
interesting and informative comment (mixed in with some truly stupid
attacks on him). I have learned from this thread, and would never have
bothered to Google any of it. If you come right down to it you can
probably find out just about anything we discuss in here with some
appropriate research, but sometimes it is easier to just holler and
see what others think about it. If you don't feel like answering just
ignore it!

So, Dave, keep asking the questions, and if you act like a twit at
times I'll just ignore that, you've got a lot of company in that
regard, here and in the rest of the world.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Cool. thanks, CP. I'll keep my eye out for a saw going on the cheap.

dave

Caractacus Potts wrote:

>>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or
>
> "real"
>
>>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled
>
> a
>
>>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>>
>>1. Better cachet
>>2. Edge will last longer
>>3. Both one and two
>>4. None of the above
>>
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
> Screw drivers work fine. Go to the flea market and get an old saw that
> someone ruined by painting a mill scene on. Cut a scraper out of the
> steel and go to town. You'll probably have better steel in there than
> what's in your putty knife. You can also cut shapes to match any
> profile that you need.
>
>

typo: should read, "when I get a set OF "real""

Bay Area Dave wrote:
snip
>
> I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> scrapers?

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:59:04 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>You and Casey got Know-it-all Miller dead to rights. "Pushrod" has
>>NEVER been the slang form of lifter. Besides which, OHC engines have NO
>>pushrods; only lifters. :)
>>
>After further review... I stand corrected.

REVIEW?!!! lol

You had to review the difference between a push rod...and a lifter?

ROTFLMAO !!!

>How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

And I've told you many times already...but you still don't listen...

Both parts of your tag line are completely untrue.

1. We DON'T always just choose from 2 people to run for President.
In modern times alone...look into the results for 1968, 1980, 1992,
1996.

2. We ALWAYS vote for more than 50 candidates for Miss America.


Anybody can post an inaccurate tag line. Only a fool keeps posting it
when he's been shown that its wrong.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!

"Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I didn't read the dare, and don't intend to. It's all white noise.
>
> I broke a drill bit today....it was a pilot bit for a drill/countersink
> combo. Serves me right for not "cleaning" it as I was running the pilot
hole
> in the pine hutch I'm building. why does this matter? This is the first
> "thing" I've built since packing up the shop almost a year and a half ago.
> It's been so long, woodworking almost feel foreign...almost, but not
quite.
> I'm learning it's like a bike...it's all coming back to me.
>
> I did manage to remember the first law of woodworking though...."Never
build
> a project for which you have all the right tools". I'm now the proud owner
> of a 1/2" round over bit (I'm sure I had one, but can't find it after the
> move) from Lee Valley.... SWMBO's remembering how to shake her head.

Rob,

What are you using for a shop now? Leaving the Taj Mahal must've been
painful, but I missed the bit where you got a new shop, any details?

cheers,

Greg

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:41:27 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>Is a real burnisher smooth?

Very!

Barry

If that was a good quality putty knife, it will work as well as anything.
You do need a good burnisher, however.


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
> (Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
> diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
> times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
> glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
> scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
> that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
> there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>
> I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
> 1. Better cachet
> 2. Edge will last longer
> 3. Both one and two
> 4. None of the above
>
>
> dave
>

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:36:08 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
>diamond sharpener.

Damnit Dave ! That was _my_ idea

No, hang on - I put a handle on a $2 Sandvik scraper and used it
instead of a $12 wallpaper stripping knife, now I remember.

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So who's the mechanic?


"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> > Buy several. You'd be surprised how handy they are. Ground to size
> > (diameter) to within .0002. Great for mesuring.
> >
>
> Anyone who professes to be, or have been, a mechanic must have a dozen
> suitable extension bars,

Use a crapsman lifetime warranty screwdriver
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:36:08 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
> >scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
> >scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
> FWIW, a Sandvik (sp?) scraper is the same price or cheaper than a
> _good_ putty knife. They're about $6.
>
> I would imagine a screwdriver shaft would get chewed up in a hurry
> burnishing a real scraper.
>
> Barry
>

"Try a piece of broken glass.

> I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or
"real"
> scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled
a
> scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>
> 1. Better cachet
> 2. Edge will last longer
> 3. Both one and two
> 4. None of the above
>
>
> dave
>

Screw drivers work fine. Go to the flea market and get an old saw that
someone ruined by painting a mill scene on. Cut a scraper out of the
steel and go to town. You'll probably have better steel in there than
what's in your putty knife. You can also cut shapes to match any
profile that you need.

Thanks AGAIN, I've got one of those 6" thick Grainger catalogs somewhere
in my office...and a Grainger's not far from the HD PRO I want to check
out tomorrow...

dave

CW wrote:

> Burnishers are very smooth and very hard. I made mine out of a 3/8 x 3"
> dowel pin. This is not what you might thing of as a dowel. These are used as
> alignment pins in machinery. They are as hard as a file and ground to a very
> high surface finish. Mount in a handle. Someplace like Grainger or Rutland
> tool would have them. I even saw some at Eagle (before they became Lowes).
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Is a real burnisher smooth? My screwdriver shanks are pretty rough;
>>chromed steel, but nontheless ROUGH.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>CW wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If that was a good quality putty knife, it will work as well as
>
> anything.
>
>>>You do need a good burnisher, however.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
>>>>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
>>>>diamond sharpener. Ran a screwdriver shank over it about half a dozen
>>>>times, and damn if I couldn't feel a sharp edge! Ran over to the
>>>>glue-up drawer front (yesterday's screw-up, which I salvaged) and
>>>>scraped a bit of protruding edge to flush the two pieces up. Damn if
>>>>that wasn't almost mystical! You Neanders JUST might have something
>>>>there. The grain was just POPPING out at me!
>>>>
>>>>I guess I could skip the $18 burnishing tool when I get a set or "real"
>>>>scrapers? BTW what's the difference between a scraper that is labeled a
>>>>scraper and a scraper that I "made"?
>>>>
>>>>1. Better cachet
>>>>2. Edge will last longer
>>>>3. Both one and two
>>>>4. None of the above
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Hey, Andy, that gives me an idea. What about rolling an edge on a
taping knife? I've got several, up to a foot wide.

dave

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:36:08 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I got desperate for a scraper today, so grabbed one of my putty knives
>>(Now dammit; no laughing!!!!) and proceeded to flatten the edge on a
>>diamond sharpener.
>
>
> Damnit Dave ! That was _my_ idea
>
> No, hang on - I put a handle on a $2 Sandvik scraper and used it
> instead of a $12 wallpaper stripping knife, now I remember.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods