Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans or
other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they all
come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about the
capability to make my own.
The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to make
something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot out
of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this type
of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
well as any other info?
Thank you
On 02/18/2010 09:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
> the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
> like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
>
> http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
Looks like this one is substantially cheaper:
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43657&cat=3,43648,43653&ap=2
Chris
DerbyDad03 wrote:
(snip)
but is it worth the time and money? I'm
> not sure.
>
I have loosely been following this thread, and tend to agree- it is much
ado about nothing. A properly done blind cabinet is great for those once
or twice a year items, and pulling the little stuff in front out of the
way to get to them is really no big deal. I find lazy susan corner
cabinets annoying, especially if they don't have the curved wall around
them. Stuff falls off and jams. Not a fan of dead spaces in kitchen
cabinets- that is where small creatures like to set up housekeeping. If
I was a woodworker by hobby rather than only when needed, I might be
tempted to come up with a creative solution, like making a hidey-hole
back in the dead corner for the safe or something. (false wall in the
back of the cabinet, held on by magnets or velcro.) What burglar is
going to empty kitchen cabinet looking for a stash spot?
Only kitchen I ever had that really irritated me, was a cheap apartment
where the kitchen was in the normal 'dining nook' area, because where
the kitchen normally went, was the boiler room for the building. (hey, I
was broke, and it was the cheapest they had vacant.) They didn't bother
to get a corner cabinet for this one-off application, they just
installed 2 normal base cabinets, and left the corner empty under the
counter. I left it full of empty jars when I left, stuffed through the
hole in the kick plate. Let somebody figure THAT out when they replace
those crappy chipboard cabinets in there.
--
aem sends...
On Feb 20, 7:45=A0am, eclipsme <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>
> > "eclipsme"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
>
> >> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and lik=
ed
> >> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it=
-
> >> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using ful=
l
> >> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a slidi=
ng
> >> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense =
at
> >> all...
>
> > Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborat=
e?
>
> > Thanks
>
> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the
> corner (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>
> C
> C
> B
> BCCCCCC
>
> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
> Both lowers and uppers.
>
> C
> C
> X
> XXXCCCC
>
> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the
> adjacent cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' -
> plus the width of the adjacent cabs)
>
> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab
> used to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>
> C
> C
> C_
> |__|CCC
>
> I probably just confused the situation more...
>
> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to
> pivot out of the way?http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corn=
er-solution/
>
> Harvey
re "how would you get the first shelf to pivot out of the way"
I don't believe you do. I think that the set-up just allows you to
slide the back shelf over to the opening so that you can reach items
easier.
The problem I see is that the additional access is limited to the
width of the door.
I just checked my blind corner to see how well that solution would
work, and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.
My stick-built cabinet is 41" wide, with 27" of "blind area" and a 14"
opening.
For me to use that solution, the usable width of the slide out shelf
would have to be less than 12" wide to allow for the side wall slide
and the frame of the shelf itself.
The lose of that shelf space is minor compared to the fact that all I
would gain is about that same 12" of access to back shelf. I'd still
have 15" of blind area to deal width.
Sure, 15" is better than 27", but is it worth the time and money? I'm
not sure.
"eclipsme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/19/2010 12:18 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:
>> On 02/18/2010 09:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>> I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
>>> the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
>>> like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
>>>
>>> http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
>>
>> Looks like this one is substantially cheaper:
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43657&cat=3,43648,43653&ap=2
>>
>> Chris
>
> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
> all...
>
Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
Thanks
On 2/18/2010 8:00 PM, SBH wrote:
> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans or
> other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they all
> come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about the
> capability to make my own.
>
> The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to make
> something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot out
> of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this type
> of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
> well as any other info?
You don't have to make a blind corner cabinet. As long as you're
building your own and don't want to deal with the lazy susan situation,
you can do something like some of the options available here, with more
space to boot:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=corner+cabinet&styp=m&btnG=Search
Watch the wrap ...
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"eclipsme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
>>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
>>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
>>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
>>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
>>> all...
>>>
>> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the corner
> (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>
> C
> C
> B
> BCCCCCC
>
> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
> Both lowers and uppers.
>
> C
> C
> X
> XXXCCCC
>
> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the adjacent
> cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' - plus the width
> of the adjacent cabs)
>
> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab used
> to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>
> C
> C
> C_
> |__|CCC
>
> I probably just confused the situation more...
>
> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to pivot
> out of the way?
> http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
>
I think I got it.
Yes, I recently posted that link last night as the exact set up I'm facing
with my own cabinet and the exact question of how to pivot the front shelf.
Not sure yet about the pivot, but I plan to do this set up. For now, I'll
keep the bulkier items on the rear slider (I will also have a double shelf
system for the rear) and the lids and smaller items on the front, which will
enable me to reach the rear.
Thanks again.
SBH wrote:
> FYI...I found this site with a solution to the blind corner cabinet (4
> pictures) which is exactly how I envisioned my idea with exception to making
> the front drawer slide, then pivot. The cabinet configuration is EXACTLY how
> my cabinet is built.
>
> http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/
>
>
THX
SBH wrote:
> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in
> kitchens
> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and
> pans or
> other items.
-------------------------------------------
Never waste that kind of space in a boat galley.
Turn the space into bins with access from the counter top.
Lew
I wrote:
> Never waste that kind of space in a boat galley.
>
> Turn the space into bins with access from the counter top.
>
> Lew
======================
SBH wrote:
>
> Huh?
-------------------------------------
Think of a round plastic bin like a waste basket, say 12" dia at top
flange.
Cut 12" dia hole in counter in a dead area space, drop in basket, the
fab a lid to cover basket opening and transition to balance of counter
top.
Could be done with retangular bins depending on existing geometry.
Bins could be fabricated with ply and laminate.
Cover from Corian or equal to match balance of countertop.
The only limitation is you basically are limited to light weight items
for storage in a deep bin.
HTH
Lew
On Feb 20, 3:43=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SBH" wrote:
> > Gotchya. But it'll also resort to losing counter space, wouldn't it?
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Not if you recess the cover flush with the counter top.
>
> Lew
Please see my related response a few posts up.
How do you remove a flush cover? By a recessed handle, I
assume...after you move the stuff off of the counter.
In my case, that would be the microwave.
BTW...wouldn't that recessed handle (and seam) collect all sorts of
kitchen counter related "dirt" and be tough to clean?
On Feb 20, 10:51=A0pm, eclipsme <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/20/2010 2:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 7:45 am, eclipsme<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>
> >>> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> =A0 =A0wrote in message
>
> >>>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and l=
iked
> >>>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on =
it -
> >>>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using f=
ull
> >>>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sli=
ding
> >>>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sens=
e at
> >>>> all...
>
> >>> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elabor=
ate?
>
> >>> Thanks
>
> >> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
> >> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the
> >> corner (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>
> >> C
> >> C
> >> B
> >> BCCCCCC
>
> >> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wal=
l.
> >> Both lowers and uppers.
>
> >> C
> >> C
> >> X
> >> XXXCCCC
>
> >> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the
> >> adjacent cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' -
> >> plus the width of the adjacent cabs)
>
> >> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab
> >> used to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>
> >> C
> >> C
> >> C_
> >> |__|CCC
>
> >> I probably just confused the situation more...
>
> >> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to
> >> pivot out of the way?http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-c=
orner-solution/
>
> >> Harvey
>
> > re "how would you get the first shelf to pivot out of the way"
>
> > I don't believe you do. I think that the set-up just allows you to
> > slide the back shelf over to the opening so that you can reach items
> > easier.
>
> > The problem I see is that the additional access is limited to the
> > width of the door.
>
> > I just checked my blind corner to see how well that solution would
> > work, and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.
>
> > My stick-built cabinet is 41" wide, with 27" of "blind area" and a 14"
> > opening.
>
> ouch!
Ouch for that section, yes, but I love the old fashion stick-builts
with no walls between the cabinets.
I've got a few 3 & 4 doored sections that are over 5' wide - each
section is one big cabinet inside.
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Feb 18, 9:28 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/18/2010 8:00 PM, SBH wrote:
>>
>>> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
>>> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans or
>>> other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they all
>>> come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about the
>>> capability to make my own.
>>> The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
>>> ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to make
>>> something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot out
>>> of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this type
>>> of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
>>> well as any other info?
>> You don't have to make a blind corner cabinet. As long as you're
>> building your own and don't want to deal with the lazy susan situation,
>> you can do something like some of the options available here, with more
>> space to boot:
>>
>> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=corner+cabinet&styp=m...
>>
>> Watch the wrap ...
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
> the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
> like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
>
> http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
Looks exactly like what I thought he was describing. I'd imagine a home
made one wouldn't be easy.
On Feb 18, 9:00=A0pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans =
or
> other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they a=
ll
> come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about t=
he
> capability to make my own.
>
> The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to m=
ake
> something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot o=
ut
> of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this ty=
pe
> of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
> well as any other info?
>
> Thank you
They're called "blind corner cabinets". Do a search, they are not that
expensive. They make them with "half" moon lazy suzan shelves so they
can swing out
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SBH wrote:
>> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
>> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans
>> or
>> other items.
> -------------------------------------------
> Never waste that kind of space in a boat galley.
>
> Turn the space into bins with access from the counter top.
>
> Lew
>
Huh?
Have you considered a full door-width cabinet in the corner, set
at a 45 degree angle? You'd use very little additional floor
space, and what you used would not be that usable anyway, in the
corner of butting cabinets. Yes, it'd be deeper than a regular
cabinet, but then that's where you'd keep the old Waring blender,
bottles you saved for some reason and other things you "store"
"somewhere." The cabinet top itself would be perfect for an
appliance garage, since there would be added depth for more
storage of "stuff." The same would be true for the upper cabinets
as well: perhaps a glass door for them to accent the storage?
Where it gets to be fun is if you build them yourself or have them
custom made. By flaring the sides of the corner cabinet out half
way to meet a similar flare of the abutting side cabinet, the
unreachable corners are less difficult to reach or manage. In
fact, I'd consider those full extension shelf glides mentioned
elsewhere for the base cabinet. You could store "stuff" on the
sides, while the middle, elevated, shelfs would roll out for even
better access- particularly to the back, or "V" area.
--
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and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I wrote:
>
>> Never waste that kind of space in a boat galley.
>>
>> Turn the space into bins with access from the counter top.
>>
>> Lew
> ======================
> SBH wrote:
>>
>> Huh?
> -------------------------------------
>
> Think of a round plastic bin like a waste basket, say 12" dia at top
> flange.
>
> Cut 12" dia hole in counter in a dead area space, drop in basket, the fab
> a lid to cover basket opening and transition to balance of counter top.
>
> Could be done with retangular bins depending on existing geometry.
>
> Bins could be fabricated with ply and laminate.
>
> Cover from Corian or equal to match balance of countertop.
>
> The only limitation is you basically are limited to light weight items for
> storage in a deep bin.
>
> HTH
>
> Lew
Gotchya. But it'll also resort to losing counter space, wouldn't it?
On 2/19/2010 9:05 PM, SBH wrote:
> FYI...I found this site with a solution to the blind corner cabinet (4
> pictures) which is exactly how I envisioned my idea with exception to making
> the front drawer slide, then pivot. The cabinet configuration is EXACTLY how
> my cabinet is built.
>
> http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/
http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
Very nice, and elegant, solution ...
Thanks for the update. You can teach an old dog new tricks. :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Mikepier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 9:00 pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans
> or
> other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they
> all
> come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about
> the
> capability to make my own.
>
> The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to
> make
> something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot
> out
> of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this
> type
> of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
> well as any other info?
>
> Thank you
They're called "blind corner cabinets". Do a search, they are not that
expensive. They make them with "half" moon lazy suzan shelves so they
can swing out
Already saw them. Not what I'm looking for.
Thanks
On Feb 18, 9:28=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/18/2010 8:00 PM, SBH wrote:
>
> > Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> > which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pan=
s or
> > other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they=
all
> > come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about=
the
> > capability to make my own.
>
> > The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> > ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to=
make
> > something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot=
out
> > of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this =
type
> > of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, a=
s
> > well as any other info?
>
> You don't have to make a blind corner cabinet. As long as you're
> building your own and don't want to deal with the lazy susan situation,
> you can do something like some of the options available here, with more
> space to boot:
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=3Dcorner+cabinet&styp=3Dm=
...
>
> Watch the wrap ...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
On 2/18/2010 8:00 PM, SBH wrote:
> Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans or
> other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they all
> come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about the
> capability to make my own.
>
> The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to make
> something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot out
> of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this type
> of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
> well as any other info?
>
> Thank you
>
>
I spent some time trying to design a blind corner unit like this
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43657&cat=3,43648,43653&ap=2
No matter what I came up with it always had too much wasted space to
make it worthwhile, plus the fact that it will eventually break. I
bought a Lazy Susan kit from Lee Valley. The term KISS makes a lot of
sense sometimes.
LdB
On Feb 19, 10:43=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wrote:
> > Never waste that kind of space in a boat galley.
>
> > Turn the space into bins with access from the counter top.
>
> > Lew
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSBH wro=
te:
>
> > Huh?
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Think of a round plastic bin like a waste basket, say 12" dia at top
> flange.
>
> Cut 12" dia hole in counter in a dead area space, drop in basket, the
> fab a lid to cover basket opening and transition to balance of counter
> top.
>
> Could be done with retangular bins depending on existing geometry.
>
> Bins could be fabricated with ply and laminate.
>
> Cover from Corian or equal to match balance of countertop.
>
> The only limitation is you basically are limited to light weight items
> for storage in a deep bin.
>
> HTH
>
> Lew
re "The only limitation is you basically are limited to light weight
items"
That's certainly not the "only" limitation.
1 - This might solve the issue with the upper shelf of the blind
cabinet, but it won't help for the lower shelf. Very few people will
be able to remove something from the bottom of a 30" deep bin.
2 - You lose that area of counter for any type of "permanent" storage.
For example, in my case, that corner is the best place for our
microwave and baking-supplies canisters.
3 - Ignoring my situation above, and assuming a different counter
configuration that leaves that counter open for normal kitchen use,
you're going to have seams and handle openings associated with the
cover. That sounds like a cleaning nightmare to me.
So it seems to me that one would either need to move items every time
they wanted something from the "top shelf" only or they would have to
deal with the seam and handle gaps if they use that area of the
counter or that area of the counter would be wasted if unused.
Unless I'm missing something (since I'm basing this on how my kitchen
is laid out) there doesn't seem to enough of an advantage to outweigh
the disadvantages.
I have been dealing with a kitchen design that bega for three corner
cabinets or a better solution.
I generally favor the diagonal front base cabinets as I fabricate my
own counters and can turn a corner with a single 4x8 05 5x10 sheet of
goods - avoiding the corner seam.
But they have some new post-formed counters at HD and Lowes of late
that got me thinking of replacing the "corner" base and wall cabinets
with a tall pantry another poster mentioned in this thread. But, where
that one suggested a slinding door, I figured the diagonal front would
do nicely enough - though both of the "solutions" traded in 4 SF of
counter real estate.for the accessible storage.
The diagonal front provides an opening about 18" wide. I suspect that
the interior shelving could be designed with a "pull out" center
section on fully extensible sliders.
Illuminating the interior might be neatly accomplished with a fixture
in the inside front above the door opening operatd by a switch
activated by the opening of the door.
I'm still debating the idea as, one on each end of a 10' wide kitchen
space is "a bit much" and may make the space feel altogether too small
and confined.
But, being able to use simple seamless sections of ready-made post-
formed mica counters does have its attractions.
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:00:44 -0500, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>keep the bulkier items on the rear slider (I will also have a double shelf
>system for the rear) and the lids and smaller items on the front, which will
>enable me to reach the rear.
Blind corner unit
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43657&cat=3,43648,43653
Carousel
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43654&cat=3,43648,43653
>> http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
>
> Looks exactly like what I thought he was describing. I'd imagine a home
> made one wouldn't be easy.
Easier than ordering or installing? Probably not.
Easier than paying 500 bucks? Certainly.
Oh wait! Free shipping. Never mind. :-)
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On 2/19/2010 12:18 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 02/18/2010 09:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>> I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
>> the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
>> like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
>>
>> http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
>
> Looks like this one is substantially cheaper:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=43657&cat=3,43648,43653&ap=2
>
> Chris
I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
all...
Harvey
On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
>> all...
>>
> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
>
> Thanks
>
Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the
corner (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
C
C
B
BCCCCCC
Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
Both lowers and uppers.
C
C
X
XXXCCCC
Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the
adjacent cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' -
plus the width of the adjacent cabs)
If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab
used to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
C
C
C_
|__|CCC
I probably just confused the situation more...
I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to
pivot out of the way?
http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
Harvey
On 2/20/2010 8:00 AM, SBH wrote:
> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>>> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>>
>>>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
>>>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
>>>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
>>>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
>>>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
>>>> all...
>>>>
>>> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
>> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the corner
>> (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> B
>> BCCCCCC
>>
>> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
>> Both lowers and uppers.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> X
>> XXXCCCC
>>
>> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the adjacent
>> cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' - plus the width
>> of the adjacent cabs)
>>
>> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab used
>> to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> C_
>> |__|CCC
>>
>> I probably just confused the situation more...
>>
>> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to pivot
>> out of the way?
>> http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
>>
> I think I got it.
>
> Yes, I recently posted that link last night as the exact set up I'm facing
> with my own cabinet and the exact question of how to pivot the front shelf.
> Not sure yet about the pivot, but I plan to do this set up. For now, I'll
> keep the bulkier items on the rear slider (I will also have a double shelf
> system for the rear) and the lids and smaller items on the front, which will
> enable me to reach the rear.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
I wounder if one of these would work:
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=48629&cat=3,43614,43625&ap=1
- watch the wraparound in the url!
http://www.leevalley.com/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=49917
Perhaps mount the first drawer to this...
Harvey
On 2/20/2010 2:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Feb 20, 7:45 am, eclipsme<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>>
>>> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
>>>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
>>>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
>>>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
>>>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
>>>> all...
>>
>>> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
>> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the
>> corner (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> B
>> BCCCCCC
>>
>> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
>> Both lowers and uppers.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> X
>> XXXCCCC
>>
>> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the
>> adjacent cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' -
>> plus the width of the adjacent cabs)
>>
>> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab
>> used to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>>
>> C
>> C
>> C_
>> |__|CCC
>>
>> I probably just confused the situation more...
>>
>> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to
>> pivot out of the way?http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
>>
>> Harvey
>
> re "how would you get the first shelf to pivot out of the way"
>
> I don't believe you do. I think that the set-up just allows you to
> slide the back shelf over to the opening so that you can reach items
> easier.
>
> The problem I see is that the additional access is limited to the
> width of the door.
>
> I just checked my blind corner to see how well that solution would
> work, and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.
>
> My stick-built cabinet is 41" wide, with 27" of "blind area" and a 14"
> opening.
>
ouch!
On 2/21/2010 2:34 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:51 pm, eclipsme<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/20/2010 2:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 20, 7:45 am, eclipsme<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 2/19/2010 6:14 PM, SBH wrote:
>>
>>>>> "eclipsme"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> I am facing a similar situation and saw this solution as well (and liked
>>>>>> it too). Still it seemed to me - though I never followed through on it -
>>>>>> that it would not be difficult to design something like this using full
>>>>>> extension slides. In the end, I have decided to put up a wall, a sliding
>>>>>> door and make the whole corner into a pantry, if that makes any sense at
>>>>>> all...
>>
>>>>> Maybe to others, but I'm not quite seeing the picture. Care to elaborate?
>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>
>>>> Bad description on my part. Think of the typical blind cabinet
>>>> installation - cabs along a wall (C), ending in a blind cab at the
>>>> corner (B), and then more cabs (C) along the adjacent wall.
>>
>>>> C
>>>> C
>>>> B
>>>> BCCCCCC
>>
>>>> Now, take out the blind cab and the first cab or 2 on the adjacent wall.
>>>> Both lowers and uppers.
>>
>>>> C
>>>> C
>>>> X
>>>> XXXCCCC
>>
>>>> Wall this area in making a pantry about 2' deep (the depth of the
>>>> adjacent cab) by about 4' or more (the depth of the blind cab - 2' -
>>>> plus the width of the adjacent cabs)
>>
>>>> If you are still with me, a sliding door goes where the adjacent cab
>>>> used to be. Now you have a full pantry from floor to ceiling.
>>
>>>> C
>>>> C
>>>> C_
>>>> |__|CCC
>>
>>>> I probably just confused the situation more...
>>
>>>> I like this solution, too, but how would you get the first shelf to
>>>> pivot out of the way?http://www.pulloutcabinets.com/2008/03/03/blind-corner-solution/
>>
>>>> Harvey
>>
>>> re "how would you get the first shelf to pivot out of the way"
>>
>>> I don't believe you do. I think that the set-up just allows you to
>>> slide the back shelf over to the opening so that you can reach items
>>> easier.
>>
>>> The problem I see is that the additional access is limited to the
>>> width of the door.
>>
>>> I just checked my blind corner to see how well that solution would
>>> work, and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.
>>
>>> My stick-built cabinet is 41" wide, with 27" of "blind area" and a 14"
>>> opening.
>>
>> ouch!
>
> Ouch for that section, yes, but I love the old fashion stick-builts
> with no walls between the cabinets.
>
> I've got a few 3& 4 doored sections that are over 5' wide - each
> section is one big cabinet inside.
Yes, I would have to agree with you there. In my current project, I had
the option to make a 7' cab, but have decided to do all drawers in the
lowers this time. Therefore I have use of the dividers for hanging the
slides on. It will still be a 7' cab, but with 2 dividers.
The uppers are another matter. I got concerned of the possible
weight/strength issues, so decided to duplicate the dividers up above.
Still, it would be nice to have 1 7' space with 3 sets of doors rather
than 3 divided spaces. But how do you hang a half overhang door in a
frameless cabinet without dividers??? choices, choices, choices...
Harvey
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On Feb 18, 9:28 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/18/2010 8:00 PM, SBH wrote:
>
> > Most of you may well be aware of the dreaded corner cabinet in kitchens
> > which require us to reach far in the back for those needed pots and pans
> > or
> > other items. I searched products made for this type of cabinet but they
> > all
> > come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, the obvious comes to mind about
> > the
> > capability to make my own.
>
> > The general idea is to build a shelf system for the back area with the
> > ability to roll forward and IMO, simple to build. But the dilemma is to
> > make
> > something which will allow the front shelf system to pull out and pivot
> > out
> > of the way for the rear items. Has anyone ever built a system for this
> > type
> > of cabinet? If so, would you share your layout and required hardware, as
> > well as any other info?
>
> You don't have to make a blind corner cabinet. As long as you're
> building your own and don't want to deal with the lazy susan situation,
> you can do something like some of the options available here, with more
> space to boot:
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=corner+cabinet&styp=m...
>
> Watch the wrap ...
>
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> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
I could be wrong , but I took the OP to mean that (s)he already has
the cabinet and is looking for plans for "retro-fit" shelving system,
like this sweet unit, but a tad less expensive:
http://www.kitchensource.com/pantry/ful-ksh6117.htm
Correct, DD. "He" already has the cabinet filled with a mountain of pots,
pans, lids, etc with very little degree of organization.
Purchasing anything over $100 is not in my plans when I believe I can make
something a better fit for about the same or less.
One idea is to have a sliding shelf system on a slightly raised platform for
the rear. The front (in front of door opening) would have a sliding system
to come straight out, but the trick is to get it to pivot to allow clearance
for the rear sliding system. The raised platform for the rear would allow
the track to hover over the front track system or, an idea of mounting front
tracks on the side of the cabinet (one higher and one lower) then pivoting
when extended.