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In article <Vqogb.692100$YN5.554861@sccrnsc01>, Wood Butcher
<[email protected]> wrote:

> All of them actually. I'd love to see the old shows where
> Boob buys a $18K fixer-upper, does the needed work,
> and sells it for $50K(probably not the precise prices but
> they're in the neighborhood).
> I'm kind of tired of seeing the new episodes all featuring
> Taj Mahal's that damn few people can afford.


You'll gag on this week's show. :-)

In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > A home is so much more than expensive marble counters, a library, a
> > computer monitor rising from the desk surface.
>
> You're right. Home should have a wet bar in the dining room, a wet bar in
> the office, a wet bar in the family room and a full sized bar with stools
> just outside the movie theater.
>
> Architecturally speaking, the house had some nice features, but as a home,
> it was a dismal failure. I can't imagine the cost. It is probably at least
> $30,000 more than my house. ;)


That was also annoying, the house was for sale, if they're going to
flaunt all that tasteless opulence, shouldn't they at least have told
us what the asking price was? I'm guessing about $10M.


>
> Aside from the fact that it had a carriage house and the new project does
> also, it was not really anything to do with the project at hand. Just
> seemed like they took the opportunity to show how the other side lives.
> Personally, I think the show had long ago take too far in that direction.
> (maybe the typical PBS supporter?)


Exactly my feelings.

> As for Kevin, I agree. He is already doing better and looks more
> comfortable than Steve was after 12 years. On Ask TOH, he was doing some of
> the work and learning some skills, just like many of the viewers want to do.
> He's a keeper.


Yep I agree, a keeper. I'm jealous, as John Cleese said many years ago
in Monty Python's Flying Circus - "You lucky bastard!"

--
'm

Me too! I like looking at the industrial machines. I even learn a thing
or two!!!


Fly-by-Night CC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (MJ Wallace) wrote:
>
> > The tour of the mansion was too much. For what reason? Time killers?
> > They probably started on a such and such date and realized that
> > the permits were slow in coming, and so had to fill it with
> > something. At least it wasn't another tour of a factory making
> > wallboard.
>
> I'll take a factory tour any day of the week over a stroke the wealthy
> home tour. But then, that's just where my interest lie.
>
> --
> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
> Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
> <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
> <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>

So...
a male MBA would be OK?

Renata

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:43:45 -0400, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
--snip--
>The trend looks like we'll have a female MBA for the next host.
>
>Just my opinion, you understand.
>
--snip--
>Regards, Tom
>Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
>Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
>http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

Tom Watson wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:56:46 GMT, [email protected] (Renata)
> wrote:
>
>
>>So...
>> a male MBA would be OK?
>
>
>
> Ya know, Renata, I pondered this question for a few days in hopes that
> an appropriate wise ass reply would surface upon the turgid seas of my
> monkey level gray matter but the process only turned up what I would
> consider to be a far more interesting question.
>
> Why isn't the spot occupied in the past by Bob Vila, Steve Thomas and
> now the new guy, whose name I don't know, instead filled by a woman?
>
> In the thirty five or so years of my professional life as a carpenter,
> contractor and cabinetmaker, I have mostly dealt with women, rather
> than with men, when doing projects.
>
> The women have made the design choices, oft times in conjunction with
> design professionals, who were also women. The women have been the
> ones most available to us working types when we wanted a decision on
> something and. excluding the purely financial end of things, the women
> ruled.
>
> I've mostly dealt with the male member of the family only at those
> critical junctures in the project where the woman simply wanted
> someone who could shout louder at us than she was capable of.
>
> Many have said that the personages of Bob and Steve are there to
> represent the average homeowner. If that is true then they are gender
> challenged in this respect, according to my experience.
>
> I believe that this needs looking into. The This Old House Boys Club
> (I'll bet they wouldn't even let Darla in, although I would, she was a
> cutie) has had its way long enough.
>
> It is shameful that a show that runs on PBS would ignore the reality
> of feminine involvement in the building process. It may indeed be
> actionable.
>
> I look forward to the day when we hear the TOH theme music being
> played as background to the arrival of a kick-ass pink pickup truck at
> the new jobsite and being treated to a closeup of a well turned leg,
> terminally encased in a steel-toed spike-heeled work boot, as it
> unmistakably announces a new day in reality TV.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Somethin' about a woman wearin' a toolbelt.
Hank



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"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I'm kind of tired of seeing the new episodes all featuring
> Taj Mahal's that damn few people can afford.
>
> Art

Agreed. I want to see how Joe Sixpack can do some renovations to his own
home. It is now just a showcase for new products available in Yuppiville.

Lee:

Disagree with your assesment. I would say that Time Warner,
which now owns TOH properties, probably wants the public
to know that there is only one host. That there might have
been earlier hosts, but Kevin is now the host. The fact
that Steve disappeared from the website is really no
cause for alarm. I'd say it's a normal side of business.

BTW: in the last year, I have seen Bob V. on shows when
he was the host for TOH. They were TOH reruns on HGTV.
However, I would say, that the chances of seeing those
shows in the future are slim. There is now close to
12 years of Steve Thomas as host and the kinds of houses TOH
did during that time are more in line with how the show
is going. More upscale, larger size, big huge rooms, etc.

Figure - there are 24 or so house projects that Steve
did as TOH host. Each project was on average about 12 episodes
(mix of long/short projects). In a year, you probably
would see no more than 4 or 5 old projects. So
if you taped Bob doing a show - you probably have a
rarity and might want to hold on to it.

MJ Wallace

Edwin:

I saw the new shows (TOH and ATOH) and Kevin probably will work
out ok. I also like the fact that he did the work on ATOH - neat idea
of the producer to show someone OTHER then Tom or Richard doing
it. I like how he was introduced on ATOH. That was funny.

The wife misses Steve tho. He was actually pretty good. Remember
it took him several shows/years before he really felt comfortable
in the job. So we should give Kevin a hearty welcome until such
time he begins to wear out.

The tour of the mansion was too much. For what reason? Time killers?
They probably started on a such and such date and realized that
the permits were slow in coming, and so had to fill it with
something. At least it wasn't another tour of a factory making
wallboard.

As far as BV goes - why is he doing a place in NYC? Does he think
that a lot of people will be that interested? To what end? BTW:
Bob's homes these days are not cheap either - he just does them
in sort of "cheaper" to build states - like the one in Vermont.
But, I'd say he's homes are in the $500k range at least if not
more. Out here in CA - they would be $900k or above. The only
building team doing something "cheaper" is Robin and Dean. They
appear to be working with real couples and families.


MJ

MJ ...

<<BTW: in the last year, I have seen Bob V. on shows when
he was the host for TOH. They were TOH reruns on HGTV.
However, I would say, that the chances of seeing those
shows in the future are slim. There is now close to
12 years of Steve Thomas as host and the kinds of houses TOH
did during that time are more in line with how the show
is going. More upscale, larger size, big huge rooms, etc.
[snip]
So if you taped Bob doing a show - you probably have a
rarity and might want to hold on to it.>>

Don't be too surprised if you continue to see both Steve and Bob in TOH
classics from now until the end of time. In the world of TV syndication and
cable networks, nothing beats quantity. Once the producers bit the bullet
and began to re-acknowledge the existance of Bob Vila (first in the
re-packaged TOH episodes they called "Renovation Guide" and then in the
current form of TOH Classics) he was here to stay. They are no more likely
to consign Bob to oblivion than the Star Trek syndicators were to banish
Captain Kirk once they had enough Picard episodes in the can.

Lee


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"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> A home is so much more than expensive marble counters, a library, a
> computer monitor rising from the desk surface.

You're right. Home should have a wet bar in the dining room, a wet bar in
the office, a wet bar in the family room and a full sized bar with stools
just outside the movie theater.

Architecturally speaking, the house had some nice features, but as a home,
it was a dismal failure. I can't imagine the cost. It is probably at least
$30,000 more than my house. ;)

Aside from the fact that it had a carriage house and the new project does
also, it was not really anything to do with the project at hand. Just
seemed like they took the opportunity to show how the other side lives.
Personally, I think the show had long ago take too far in that direction.
(maybe the typical PBS supporter?)

As for Kevin, I agree. He is already doing better and looks more
comfortable than Steve was after 12 years. On Ask TOH, he was doing some of
the work and learning some skills, just like many of the viewers want to do.
He's a keeper.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

"Brad Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Traves W. Coppock <newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > On 6 Oct 2003 03:15:37 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Beyerl)
> > Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
> >
> > snip
> >
> >>A: There's no dirty little secret. It's simply that after 14
> >>years on "This Old House," Thomas wanted to move on to other
> >>things, reportedly including some new projects on the DIY
> >>Network. He left under very amicable terms and will continue
> >>to be seen in repeats of older episodes of "This Old House."
> >
> > No shit?! lol i thought they might remove him and cut/paste a
> > different actor in digitally in all those repeats...
> >
> > *BSEG*
> >
> > Traves
> >
>
> How many Bob Vila episodes have you seen lately? Bob didn't leave on as
> good terms as Steve.

How many 14-plus years old episodes would you be willing to watch? ;-)

Jim Stuyck

All of them actually. I'd love to see the old shows where
Boob buys a $18K fixer-upper, does the needed work,
and sells it for $50K(probably not the precise prices but
they're in the neighborhood).
I'm kind of tired of seeing the new episodes all featuring
Taj Mahal's that damn few people can afford.

Art


"Jim Stuyck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Qlngb.511381$cF.181978@rwcrnsc53...
>

> How many 14-plus years old episodes would you be willing to watch? ;-)
>
> Jim Stuyck
>
>

Traves W. Coppock <newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 6 Oct 2003 03:15:37 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Beyerl)
> Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>
> snip
>
>>A: There's no dirty little secret. It's simply that after 14
>>years on "This Old House," Thomas wanted to move on to other
>>things, reportedly including some new projects on the DIY
>>Network. He left under very amicable terms and will continue
>>to be seen in repeats of older episodes of "This Old House."
>
> No shit?! lol i thought they might remove him and cut/paste a
> different actor in digitally in all those repeats...
>
> *BSEG*
>
> Traves
>

How many Bob Vila episodes have you seen lately? Bob didn't leave on as
good terms as Steve.

NJBrad

On 6 Oct 2003 03:15:37 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Beyerl)
wrote:

People can say what they want about Bob Vila but on his watch they
didn't do the horribly overwrought yuppie palaces that they've been
doing since he left.

Bob left to go to work for Sears.

Steve Thomas is more likely to have left to go to work for The Sharper
Image.

Bob was architecturally trained.

Steve was a trust-fund-sucking-docksider-wearing-nonentity.

The new guy's hands are hard as a baby's butt.

The trend looks like we'll have a female MBA for the next host.

Just my opinion, you understand.

I think they should have left Steve Thomas go away and left Silva to
do the job. I understand that this violates the previous paradigm but
what of that?

I never thought I'd say this...

I miss Bob.




Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

In the Bay Area fixer uppers START at about $450,000. So I'd say you
aren't "in the neighborhood"! :)

dave

Wood Butcher wrote:

> All of them actually. I'd love to see the old shows where
> Boob buys a $18K fixer-upper, does the needed work,
> and sells it for $50K(probably not the precise prices but
> they're in the neighborhood).
> I'm kind of tired of seeing the new episodes all featuring
> Taj Mahal's that damn few people can afford.
>
> Art
>
>
> "Jim Stuyck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Qlngb.511381$cF.181978@rwcrnsc53...
>
>
>>How many 14-plus years old episodes would you be willing to watch? ;-)
>>
>>Jim Stuyck
>>
>>
>
>
>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:56:46 GMT, [email protected] (Renata)
wrote:

>So...
> a male MBA would be OK?


Ya know, Renata, I pondered this question for a few days in hopes that
an appropriate wise ass reply would surface upon the turgid seas of my
monkey level gray matter but the process only turned up what I would
consider to be a far more interesting question.

Why isn't the spot occupied in the past by Bob Vila, Steve Thomas and
now the new guy, whose name I don't know, instead filled by a woman?

In the thirty five or so years of my professional life as a carpenter,
contractor and cabinetmaker, I have mostly dealt with women, rather
than with men, when doing projects.

The women have made the design choices, oft times in conjunction with
design professionals, who were also women. The women have been the
ones most available to us working types when we wanted a decision on
something and. excluding the purely financial end of things, the women
ruled.

I've mostly dealt with the male member of the family only at those
critical junctures in the project where the woman simply wanted
someone who could shout louder at us than she was capable of.

Many have said that the personages of Bob and Steve are there to
represent the average homeowner. If that is true then they are gender
challenged in this respect, according to my experience.

I believe that this needs looking into. The This Old House Boys Club
(I'll bet they wouldn't even let Darla in, although I would, she was a
cutie) has had its way long enough.

It is shameful that a show that runs on PBS would ignore the reality
of feminine involvement in the building process. It may indeed be
actionable.

I look forward to the day when we hear the TOH theme music being
played as background to the arrival of a kick-ass pink pickup truck at
the new jobsite and being treated to a closeup of a well turned leg,
terminally encased in a steel-toed spike-heeled work boot, as it
unmistakably announces a new day in reality TV.






Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

In article <111020031814088056%[email protected]>,
Ed Foster <[email protected]> wrote:

> You'll gag on this week's show. :-)

I just don't get it. (BTW, I thought the new guy seemed OK and I think
he'll fit in well.) (Did you get the feeling the new guy was feeling out
of his element in that house - and the lady giving the tour was a little
arrogant toward him and the other homeowner?) I don't begrudge people
having or spending money, but how much home is enough? I don't think I'd
ever be comfortable in that house. It just lacked warmth and an inviting
sit-down-and-take-your-shoes-off ambiance. Did anyone notice the echo in
the "rustic" family room? It's all show and no substance behind the look.

A home is so much more than expensive marble counters, a library, a
computer monitor rising from the desk surface. Can anyone imagine kids
playing in that house? Can you picture warm, family memories in that
house? "Jeeves, make me some cookies like Grandmama's servants used to
make." It was cold and without feeling - just too much like a showroom
of what money can buy and not enough like a home.

I became disgusted before they even finished the tour and turned it off
- I'll take the old BV episodes any day over the shows of the last 8
years or so.

--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (MJ Wallace) wrote:

> The tour of the mansion was too much. For what reason? Time killers?
> They probably started on a such and such date and realized that
> the permits were slow in coming, and so had to fill it with
> something. At least it wasn't another tour of a factory making
> wallboard.

I'll take a factory tour any day of the week over a stroke the wealthy
home tour. But then, that's just where my interest lie.

--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>

Brad ...

<<How many Bob Vila episodes have you seen lately? Bob didn't leave on as
good terms as Steve.>>

Based on his "banishment" from both the magazine and the website (as well as
some of the posts we've seen here in the NG) I find it hard to believe that
Steve left on much better terms than Bob did, despite the company line.

Lee


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On 6 Oct 2003 03:15:37 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Beyerl)
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:

snip

>A: There's no dirty little secret. It's simply that after 14
>years on "This Old House," Thomas wanted to move on to other
>things, reportedly including some new projects on the DIY
>Network. He left under very amicable terms and will continue
>to be seen in repeats of older episodes of "This Old House."

No shit?! lol i thought they might remove him and cut/paste a
different actor in digitally in all those repeats...

*BSEG*

Traves