I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month by
month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be somewhat
impersonal like eBay.
I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is hard to
pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them to you.
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:49:33 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:53:09 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Knowing what I know from this group, where I'd buy your stuff wouldn't
>>matter, everthing else being equal (dependable service, secure transaction,
>>etc.), although I'd prefer to buy directly from you. But if I DIDN'T KNOW
>>what I know from this group, I'd be more likely to buy from Amazon than
>>E-Bay, only because in my biased mind, a "retailer" like Amazon somehow has
>>a bit more credibility than an "online auction site" like E-Bay.
>
>you may be right. I just don't know. I sell usually from 1 plane to all 5 a week
>on ebay. never know really. but ebay is expensive and I don't get a lot from it.
>but I get 400 or so looks every week.
How is Amazon's 15% less than Ebay's 3% + $0.35/listing, Steve?
More time spent in listing? Use templates.
Ah doona unnuhstan, suh.
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"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:46:22 GMT, Steve Knight
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:27:26 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>From a marketing point of view it would make sense, Steve. Just think
of
> >>the millions of people that get the amazon.com mailing and having your
> >>beautiful planes in their catalog certainly can't hurt your sales. Who
> >>knows, it might just work TOO well and cause you to have lead times of
many
> >>months due to high orders :)
> >
> >that does worry me but I don't think it will happen. but if it does I can
always
> >pull it for a month and catch up.
>
> Or outsource some parts to some of us. <G>
>
> Barry
Yep. Or maybe even take in a partner? <G>
D. Mo
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:06:23 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>it's a little over 6.00 to post a auction reserve auction and in two locations.
Have you tried pricing them at Buy Now or higher UNreserved prices?
What 2 locations?
>then if the plane does not sell then I really start loosing money if it is a
>oddball plane.
> I spend from 120.00 to 300.00 in ebay fee's every month.
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"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
Amazon.
Heck - anyone else notice that Grizzly's there too???
From a marketing point of view it would make sense, Steve. Just think of
the millions of people that get the amazon.com mailing and having your
beautiful planes in their catalog certainly can't hurt your sales. Who
knows, it might just work TOO well and cause you to have lead times of many
months due to high orders :)
Mike
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month
by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be
somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is
hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them
to you.
>
>
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:16:37 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve,
>
>So long as it is not exclusive, why not? Good product and wider market =
>success.
>
nope not exclusive.
Plus cheeper then ebay.
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>eBay now whacks you for part of the final value of a reserve price
>auction UP FRONT, even if the item dosen't sell. My guess would be
>that they got tired of people putting high reserves up, only to not
>sell the item on eBay, and later selling it offline to the highest
>bidder that participated in the auction. eBay was the $0.35
>advertising service in those cases. <G>
>
I tried selling without a reserve. but if I start the auction at 95.00 no one
even looks at it.
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I purchase from Amazon all the time. It's truly an excellent site and I
believe you would be well served by having your products included. I think
lesser quality suppliers would jump at the opportunity offered you.
Phill (AKA Dustmaker)
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month
by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be
somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is
hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them
to you.
>
>
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
Steve,
It appears that one of us is confused, (probably me).
Amazon usually only handles the back end of the site. You'll need to revamp your site to
references to the allocated Amazon page(s). Also, I believe their policy is for no back
references. Once the potential customer is on amazon, they will have to back up or reload
your site manually to continue shopping your products.
Good luck,
Myx
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them to you.
>
>
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:38:28 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:06:23 GMT, Steve Knight
><[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>it's a little over 6.00 to post a auction reserve auction and in two locations.
>
>Have you tried pricing them at Buy Now or higher UNreserved prices?
Larry,
I'm not Steve, but what would a Buy It Now price have to do
with a reserve, or lack of one?
Starting an auction at a high price usually means no one bids. I've
tried listing $200 items with a $100 first bid, no one bids! Start it
at $2 or $5 and it's $120 in two days. There's some interesting
psychology in auctions, some of which defies common sense.
Barry
Barry Burke writes:
>
>Starting an auction at a high price usually means no one bids. I've
>tried listing $200 items with a $100 first bid, no one bids! Start it
>at $2 or $5 and it's $120 in two days. There's some interesting
>psychology in auctions, some of which defies common sense.
You got that right. I tried to buy Pagemaker at Ebay and kept getting knocked
out of what I thought was a reasonable price range. I mean, new the sucker
costs something like $350. Buying some unknown guy's bundle for $295 is not a
good deal in my mind.
Auctions can be weird. I missed a couple where the item I wanted went for well
under my cut off...but the damned bids came in the last THIRTY SECONDS of
auctions that ended when I had to be elsewhere instead of on Ebay. The snipers
do reasonably well some of the time, but other times they just inflate prices.
I learned almost immediately to set a hard and fast final price. I may or may
not bid up to that price at the start, but I don't ever go beyond it.
Saves wear and tear on the plastic.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
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On 19 Dec 2003 22:23:05 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
> The snipers
>do reasonably well some of the time, but other times they just inflate prices.
>I learned almost immediately to set a hard and fast final price. I may or may
>not bid up to that price at the start, but I don't ever go beyond it.
Right on Charlie.
I have a personal policy of sell on eBay, usually buy elsewhere.
Barry
>You got that right. I tried to buy Pagemaker at Ebay and kept getting knocked
>out of what I thought was a reasonable price range. I mean, new the sucker
>costs something like $350. Buying some unknown guy's bundle for $295 is not a
>good deal in my mind.
I watch newbies come and overbid on something I want all of the time.
>Auctions can be weird. I missed a couple where the item I wanted went for well
>under my cut off...but the damned bids came in the last THIRTY SECONDS of
>auctions that ended when I had to be elsewhere instead of on Ebay. The snipers
>do reasonably well some of the time, but other times they just inflate prices.
>I learned almost immediately to set a hard and fast final price. I may or may
>not bid up to that price at the start, but I don't ever go beyond it.
>
very true. for say cycling jerseys I bid maybe 5.00 on the ones i want I may or
may not get them but Ibid as soon as I see and that's it.
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Charlie Self wrote:
> they just inflate prices. I learned almost immediately to set a hard and
> fast final price. I may or may not bid up to that price at the start, but
> I don't ever go beyond it.
Amen bruddah. Pick your price, stick to it. If a sniper wants it more than
you do, let him have it and walk away.
It's cheaper that way too, since I lose 99% of my auctions. :)
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"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:27:26 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >From a marketing point of view it would make sense, Steve. Just think of
> >the millions of people that get the amazon.com mailing and having your
> >beautiful planes in their catalog certainly can't hurt your sales. Who
> >knows, it might just work TOO well and cause you to have lead times of
many
> >months due to high orders :)
>
> that does worry me but I don't think it will happen. but if it does I can
always
> pull it for a month and catch up.
My best friends own a company called Seattle Chocolate. They just started
selling via Amazon. It has only been a few months but they are extremely
happy so far.
Bob McBreen
Knowing what I know from this group, where I'd buy your stuff wouldn't
matter, everthing else being equal (dependable service, secure transaction,
etc.), although I'd prefer to buy directly from you. But if I DIDN'T KNOW
what I know from this group, I'd be more likely to buy from Amazon than
E-Bay, only because in my biased mind, a "retailer" like Amazon somehow has
a bit more credibility than an "online auction site" like E-Bay.
I know the reasoning is probably flawed.
-JBB
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month
by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be
somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is
hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them
to you.
>
>
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
If I were you, I'd go for it. What do you have to lose?
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month
by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be
somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is
hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them
to you.
>
>
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
Steve Knight <[email protected]> said:
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their
> site. The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay
> charges. It's month by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the
> credit card processing so I can get regular payments over just
> paypal. It will be somewhat impersonal like eBay.
I haven't sold on Amazon, but I have sold on both ebay and half.com
(which works just like Amazon, but no listing fee and no time
limit). Here some advantages of those two systems which I believe
will apply to ebay vs. Amazon as well:
[some may not apply to plane sales]
ebay advantages-
potential higher prices, people often pay too much
higher traffic
ebay disadvantages-
you have to 'watch' your auctions
you have to collect money
people sometimes don't pay
PayPal fees
categories are mostly unsupervised and many categories are overun
with improper postings [sounds like usenet]
half.com advantages-
they collect the money
payment is instant
they notify you when there is sale
categories are better organized and supervised than ebay
Obviously, some may not apply to Amazon, but I would give it a try
if I were you. The peace of mind is worth it.
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:35:15 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>O
>>Have you tried pricing them at Buy Now or higher UNreserved prices?
>>
>>What 2 locations?
>
>I do buy it now and I have tried unreserved. but if I do the unreserved I hardly
>get any looks at all. they see the price and skip right over. I average about
>100 looks per plane every week. when I did a plane starting at 95.00 I got 17
>looks.
If you want looks, keep doing what you're doing.
If you want full-value sales, a route other than Ebay is indicated.
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Steve,
So long as it is not exclusive, why not? Good product and wider market =
success.
good luck,
Greg
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got a call from amazon sales wanting me to sell through their site.
> The cost is pretty good and far less then what eBay charges. It's month
by
> month so I am not locked into anything. They deal with all the credit card
> processing so I can get regular payments over just paypal. It will be
somewhat
> impersonal like eBay.
> I do need more sales to keep going. My sales are so up and down it is
hard to
> pay the bills. If anyone wants more details email me and I can give them
to you.
>
>
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:35 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>If I were you, I'd go for it. What do you have to lose?
only some time.
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O
>Have you tried pricing them at Buy Now or higher UNreserved prices?
>
>What 2 locations?
I do buy it now and I have tried unreserved. but if I do the unreserved I hardly
get any looks at all. they see the price and skip right over. I average about
100 looks per plane every week. when I did a plane starting at 95.00 I got 17
looks.
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>How is Amazon's 15% less than Ebay's 3% + $0.35/listing, Steve?
>More time spent in listing? Use templates.
also add in paypal at about 3% and ebay listing fee's. just to put 5 planes up
on ebay costs me 35.00 even if they don't sell. amazon will charge me 40.00 a
month. Plus I will be selling retail on amazon not dirt cheep like on ebay.
listing is easy on ebay it's all the other stuff sorting out emails sending
payment requests rushing to get the tools out faster.
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>Perhaps Primetime Ebay isn't ready for the growingly-famous
>"Knight Toolworks" name. I'm surprised you don't have them
>in stores yet. Perhaps Phully could help you with the uptime
>lowdown on some elves for your own shop.
ebay is good for advertizing them for sure. but not great for selling them. I do
have them in the local woodcraft. but they have only sold one or two. but they
have only had them for two or three months. sold one to the local woodcrafters
store it was a cocobolo coffin plane. took them a year to sell it I would have
sold it a dozen times over.
but I need less planes on ebay as they compete with my regular prices too much.
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:53:09 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Knowing what I know from this group, where I'd buy your stuff wouldn't
>matter, everthing else being equal (dependable service, secure transaction,
>etc.), although I'd prefer to buy directly from you. But if I DIDN'T KNOW
>what I know from this group, I'd be more likely to buy from Amazon than
>E-Bay, only because in my biased mind, a "retailer" like Amazon somehow has
>a bit more credibility than an "online auction site" like E-Bay.
you may be right. I just don't know. I sell usually from 1 plane to all 5 a week
on ebay. never know really. but ebay is expensive and I don't get a lot from it.
but I get 400 or so looks every week.
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>My best friends own a company called Seattle Chocolate. They just started
>selling via Amazon. It has only been a few months but they are extremely
>happy so far.
I went and found them looks good. kind of dull compared to my site but still.
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>I forgot about the Paypal fees, and that's the price I quoted
>for Ebay. But why $35 even if a no-sale? Are you buying a store
>from these guys? If so, put more up for sale so the percentages
>go down.
it's a little over 6.00 to post a auction reserve auction and in two locations.
then if the plane does not sell then I really start loosing money if it is a
oddball plane.
I spend from 120.00 to 300.00 in ebay fee's every month.
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:59:44 GMT, "Myxylplyk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve,
>It appears that one of us is confused, (probably me).
>Amazon usually only handles the back end of the site. You'll need to revamp your site to
>references to the allocated Amazon page(s). Also, I believe their policy is for no back
>references. Once the potential customer is on amazon, they will have to back up or reload
>your site manually to continue shopping your products.
I know I will upload my info through excel. so they will be hosting the site.
not my site but theirs with my info. I need to read the paperwork when I have
the chance. so I won't have my site used. there would be no way for them to take
their 15% of every sale otherwise.
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:07:44 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
>I forgot about the Paypal fees, and that's the price I quoted
>for Ebay. But why $35 even if a no-sale?
eBay now whacks you for part of the final value of a reserve price
auction UP FRONT, even if the item dosen't sell. My guess would be
that they got tired of people putting high reserves up, only to not
sell the item on eBay, and later selling it offline to the highest
bidder that participated in the auction. eBay was the $0.35
advertising service in those cases. <G>
I recently got surprised by this when eBaying a $4000 bicycle.
Barry
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:27:26 GMT, "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>From a marketing point of view it would make sense, Steve. Just think of
>the millions of people that get the amazon.com mailing and having your
>beautiful planes in their catalog certainly can't hurt your sales. Who
>knows, it might just work TOO well and cause you to have lead times of many
>months due to high orders :)
that does worry me but I don't think it will happen. but if it does I can always
pull it for a month and catch up.
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See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:28:05 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>
>>How is Amazon's 15% less than Ebay's 3% + $0.35/listing, Steve?
>>More time spent in listing? Use templates.
>
>also add in paypal at about 3% and ebay listing fee's. just to put 5 planes up
>on ebay costs me 35.00 even if they don't sell. amazon will charge me 40.00 a
>month. Plus I will be selling retail on amazon not dirt cheep like on ebay.
> listing is easy on ebay it's all the other stuff sorting out emails sending
>payment requests rushing to get the tools out faster.
I forgot about the Paypal fees, and that's the price I quoted
for Ebay. But why $35 even if a no-sale? Are you buying a store
from these guys? If so, put more up for sale so the percentages
go down.
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:40:05 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
> but I need less planes on ebay as they compete with my regular prices too much.
Really. With lower prices plus the fees, you're not doing yourself
any favors by using Ebay. Selling fewer planes there sounds like a
good idea for you.
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>Or outsource some parts to some of us. <G>
>
I have done a little of that with mouchblocks and the totes. I would like
someone to make the blades for me. it is not hard but I don't like working with
steel. someone to sand the planes would save me a lot of time.
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:46:22 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:27:26 GMT, "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>From a marketing point of view it would make sense, Steve. Just think of
>>the millions of people that get the amazon.com mailing and having your
>>beautiful planes in their catalog certainly can't hurt your sales. Who
>>knows, it might just work TOO well and cause you to have lead times of many
>>months due to high orders :)
>
>that does worry me but I don't think it will happen. but if it does I can always
>pull it for a month and catch up.
Or outsource some parts to some of us. <G>
Barry
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:51:40 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>I tried selling without a reserve. but if I start the auction at 95.00 no one
>even looks at it.
Perhaps Primetime Ebay isn't ready for the growingly-famous
"Knight Toolworks" name. I'm surprised you don't have them
in stores yet. Perhaps Phully could help you with the uptime
lowdown on some elves for your own shop.
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