Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
> All we need now is a hurricane to bat about the relief well rigs.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> One of the siphoning ships got hit by lightning today.
>
> Plus a six story high statue of Jesus in Ohio also hit by lightning.
There was some excitement in the religious community when Ben Franklin's
lightning rods became popular. "A lightning rod is interfering with God's
will!" was the cry.
Since church steeples were usually the tallest buildings in small towns, the
issue became self-correcting. Eventually, all the "It's God's will!" crowd
had their churches burned down and the lightning-rod adherents, in a spirit
of Christian charity, welcomed the now piety-homeless to the undamaged
church next door.
On Jun 15, 11:13=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 15, 8:41 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > snip scenario
>
> > I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
> > scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
> > day series of events.
> > If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
> > race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
> > our shareholders and appetites.
> > Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
> > because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
> > deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
> > I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be wor=
th
> > picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
> > there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
> > Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've bee=
n
> > keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it
> > struck
> > me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
> > considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, bla=
ck
> > holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
> > might do us in!
>
> All we need now is a hurricane to bat about the relief well rigs.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-- ------
> One of the siphoning ships got hit by lightning today.
>
> Plus a six story high statue of Jesus in Ohio also hit by lightning.
Where is Phelps and the WBC gang now, eh?
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:29:34 -0400, Jack Stein <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mike M wrote:
>
>> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
>
>Yeah, the liberal bastards force the oil companies to drill 5000 feet
>under the ocean and then bitch when something goes wrong....
I don't know, I sit pretty much in the middle and I don't think
anyone forced them to drill at those depths. They just thought they
could make a profit if they did. My opinion will depend a lot on
whether they are proved negligent.
Mike M
On Jun 15, 4:06=A0am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 14, 10:10 pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:> and this o=
ne is in yo face!
>
> =A0 SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
>
> The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the
> earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
>
> =A0 The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and
> sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the
> remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as
> well as the drilled hole itself.
>
> =A0 As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an
> ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the
> existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because
> what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the
> pressure.
>
> =A0 The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now
> likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing
> moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the
> Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current
> in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18
> months.
>
> =A0 =A0The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other
> toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life
> in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many
> dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
>
> =A0 SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
>
> =A0At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself
> beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The
> intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a
> direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.
>
> =A0 The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more
> oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have
> been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles
> beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
>
> =A0 This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile
> deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The
> temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
>
> =A0 The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an
> enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to
> know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not
> possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
>
> =A0 =A0The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80
> feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant
> chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.
>
> =A0 =A0 Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, an=
d
> existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will
> leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the
> debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and
> water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown
> number of years.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> I'd guess millions.
I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
day series of events.
If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
our shareholders and appetites.
Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
On Jun 15, 8:41=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> snip scenario
>
> I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
> scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
> day series of events.
> If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
> race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
> our shareholders and appetites.
> Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
> because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
> deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
> I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be worth
> picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
> there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
> Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've been
> keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it stru=
ck
> me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
> considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, black
> holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
> might do us in!
All we need now is a hurricane to bat about the relief well rigs.
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:32 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Jun 15, 4:06 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>> On Jun 14, 10:10 pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:> and this one is in yo face!
>>
>> SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
>>
>> The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the
>> earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
>>
>> The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and
>> sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the
>> remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as
>> well as the drilled hole itself.
>>
>> As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an
>> ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the
>> existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because
>> what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the
>> pressure.
>>
>> The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now
>> likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing
>> moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the
>> Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current
>> in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18
>> months.
>>
>> The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other
>> toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life
>> in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many
>> dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
>>
>> SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
>>
>> At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself
>> beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The
>> intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a
>> direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.
>>
>> The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more
>> oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have
>> been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles
>> beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
>>
>> This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile
>> deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The
>> temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
>>
>> The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an
>> enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to
>> know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not
>> possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
>>
>> The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80
>> feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant
>> chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.
>>
>> Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and
>> existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will
>> leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the
>> debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and
>> water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown
>> number of years.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I'd guess millions.
>
>I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
>scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
>day series of events.
>If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
>race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
>our shareholders and appetites.
>Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
>because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
>deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
With several billion gallons of oil in the reserve there, the relief
wells might quicken the pressure relief, but it's still going to take
forever to pump it all out. How many people have empty billion-gallon
oil holding tanks?
--
Impeach 'em ALL!
----------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:41:43 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>snip scenario
>
>I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
>scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
>day series of events.
>If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
>race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
>our shareholders and appetites.
>Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
>because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
>deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be worth
>picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
>there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
>Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've been
>keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it struck
>me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
>considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, black
>holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
>might do us in!
The good news is that 12/21/2012 is right around the corner. We won't
suffer long. ;)
--
Impeach 'em ALL!
----------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Jun 14, 10:10 pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>> and this one is in yo face!
>>
> SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
>
>The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the
>earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
>
> The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and
>sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the
>remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as
>well as the drilled hole itself.
>
> As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an
>ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the
>existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because
>what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the
>pressure.
>
> The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now
>likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing
>moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the
>Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current
>in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18
>months.
>
> The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other
>toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life
>in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many
>dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
>
> SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
>
> At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself
>beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The
>intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a
>direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.
>
> The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more
>oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have
>been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles
>beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
>
> This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile
>deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The
>temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
>
> The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an
>enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to
>know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not
>possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
>
> The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80
>feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant
>chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.
>
> Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and
>existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will
>leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the
>debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and
>water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown
>number of years.
It's a good thing they rebuilt those levees in Nawlins, eh, Bubba?
Here's the BP-related email I received today. I haven't had time to
research it yet, so consider it raw. It's scary as hell, too.
--snip--
Editors' note for first-time visitors: What follows is a comment from
a The Oil Drum reader. To read what The Oil Drum staff members are
saying about the Deepwater Horizon Spill, please visit the front page.
OK let's get real about the GOM oil flow. There doesn't really seem to
be much info on TOD that furthers more complete understanding of
what's really happening in the GOM.
As you have probably seen and maybe feel yourselves, there are several
things that do not appear to make sense regarding the actions of
attack against the well. Don't feel bad, there is much that doesn't
make sense even to professionals unless you take into account some
important variables that we are not being told about. There seems to
me to be a reluctance to face what cannot be termed anything less than
grim circumstances in my opinion. There certainly is a reluctance to
inform us regular people and all we have really gotten is a few dots
here and there...
First of all...set aside all your thoughts of plugging the well and
stopping it from blowing out oil using any method from the top down.
Plugs, big valves to just shut it off, pinching the pipe closed,
installing a new bop or lmrp, shooting any epoxy in it, top kills with
mud etc etc etc....forget that, it won't be happening..it's done and
over. In fact actually opening up the well at the subsea source and
allowing it to gush more is not only exactly what has happened, it was
probably necessary, or so they think anyway.
So you have to ask WHY? Why make it worse?...there really can only be
one answer and that answer does not bode well for all of us. It's
really an inescapable conclusion at this point, unless you want to
believe that every Oil and Gas professional involved suddenly just
forgot everything they know or woke up one morning and drank a few big
cups of stupid and got assigned to directing the response to this
catastrophe. Nothing makes sense unless you take this into account,
but after you do...you will see the "sense" behind what has happened
and what is happening. That conclusion is this:
The well bore structure is compromised "Down hole".
That is something which is a "Worst nightmare" conclusion to reach.
While many have been saying this for some time as with any complex
disaster of this proportion many have "said" a lot of things with no
real sound reasons or evidence for jumping to such conclusions, well
this time it appears that they may have jumped into the right place...
TOP KILL - FAILS:
This was probably our best and only chance to kill this well from the
top down. This "kill mud" is a tried and true method of killing wells
and usually has a very good chance of success. The depth of this well
presented some logistical challenges, but it really should not of
presented any functional obstructions. The pumping capacity was there
and it would have worked, should have worked, but it didn't.
It didn't work, but it did create evidence of what is really
happening. First of all the method used in this particular top kill
made no sense, did not follow the standard operating procedure used to
kill many other wells and in fact for the most part was completely
contrary to the procedure which would have given it any real chance of
working.
When a well is "Killed" using this method heavy drill fluid "Mud" is
pumped at high volume and pressure into a leaking well. The leaks are
"behind" the point of access where the mud is fired in, in this case
the "choke and Kill lines" which are at the very bottom of the BOP
(Blow Out Preventer) The heavy fluid gathers in the "behind" portion
of the leaking well assembly, while some will leak out, it very
quickly overtakes the flow of oil and only the heavier mud will leak
out. Once that "solid" flow of mud is established at the leak "behind"
the well, the mud pumps increase pressure and begin to overtake the
pressure of the oil deposit. The mud is established in a solid column
that is driven downward by the now stronger pumps. The heavy mud will
create a solid column that is so heavy that the oil deposit can no
longer push it up, shut off the pumps...the well is killed...it can no
longer flow.
Usually this will happen fairly quickly, in fact for it to work at
all...it must happen quickly. There is no "trickle some mud in"
because that is not how a top kill works. The flowing oil will just
flush out the trickle and a solid column will never be established.
Yet what we were told was "It will take days to know whether it
worked"...."Top kill might take 48 hours to complete"...the only way
it could take days is if BP intended to do some "test fires" to test
integrity of the entire system. The actual "kill" can only take hours
by nature because it must happen fairly rapidly. It also increases
strain on the "behind" portion and in this instance we all know that
what remained was fragile at best.
Early that afternoon we saw a massive flow burst out of the riser
"plume" area. This was the first test fire of high pressure mud
injection. Later on same day we saw a greatly increased flow out of
the kink leaks, this was mostly mud at that time as the kill mud is
tanish color due to the high amount of Barite which is added to it to
weight it and Barite is a white powder.
We later learned the pumping was shut down at midnight, we weren't
told about that until almost 16 hours later, but by then...I'm sure BP
had learned the worst. The mud they were pumping in was not only
leaking out the "behind" leaks...it was leaking out of someplace
forward...and since they were not even near being able to pump mud
into the deposit itself, because the well would be dead long
before...and the oil was still coming up, there could only be one
conclusion...the wells casings were ruptured and it was leaking "down
hole"
They tried the "Junk shot"...the "bridging materials" which also
failed and likely made things worse in regards to the ruptured well
casings.
"Despite successfully pumping a total of over 30,000 barrels of heavy
mud, in three attempts at rates of up to
80 barrels a minute, and deploying a wide range of different bridging
materials, the operation did not overcome the flow from the well."
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7062487
80 Barrels per minute is over 200,000 gallons per hour, over 115,000
barrels per day...did we seen an increase over and above what was
already leaking out of 115k bpd?....we did not...it would have been a
massive increase in order of multiples and this did not happen.
"The whole purpose is to get the kill mud down, said Wells. We'll
have 50,000 barrels of mud on hand to kill this well. It's far more
than necessary, but we always like to have backup."
Try finding THAT quote around...it's been scrubbed...here's a cached
copy of a quote...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WDj-HORTmIoJ:www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/deepwaterhorizon/7006870.html+%E2%809CThe+whole+purpose+is+to+get+the+kill+mud+down,%E2%80%9D+said+Wells.+%E2%80%9CWe'll+have+50,000+barrels+of+mud+on+hand+to+kill+this+well.+It's+far+more+than+necessary,+but+we+always+like+to+have+backup.%E2%80%9D&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
"The "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and
government engineers, had pumped enough drilling fluid to block oil
and gas spewing from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well
was very low, he said, but persisting."
"Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well had run out
of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship was on the way. He said
he was encouraged by the progress."
http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20100527/ARTICLES/100529348
Later we found out that Allen had no idea what was really going on and
had been "Unavailable all day"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/05/27/interview_with_coas...
So what we had was BP running out of 50,000 barrels of mud in a very
short period of time. An amount far and above what they deemed
necessary to kill the well. Shutting down pumping 16 hours before
telling anyone, including the president. We were never really given a
clear reason why "Top Kill" failed, just that it couldn't overcome the
well.
There is only one article anywhere that says anything else about it at
this time of writing...and it's a relatively obscure article from the
wall street journal "online" citing an unnamed source.
"WASHINGTONBP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week
to seal its broken well in the Gulf of
Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well
about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.
The disk, part of the subsea safety infrastructure, may have ruptured
during the surge of oil and gas up the well on April 20 that led to
the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon rig, BP officials said. The
rig sank two days later, triggering a leak that has since become the
worst in U.S. history.
The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected
into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to
overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar
with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also
have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the
wellbore.
As a result, BP wasn't able to get sufficient pressure to keep the oil
and gas at bay. If they had been able to build up sufficient pressure,
the company had hoped to pump in cement and seal off the well. The
effort was deemed a failure on Saturday.
BP started the top-kill effort Wednesday afternoon, shooting heavy
drilling fluids into the broken valve known as a blowout preventer.
The mud was driven by a 30,000 horsepower pump installed on a ship at
the surface. But it was clear from the start that a lot of the "kill
mud" was leaking out instead of going down into the well."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870487560457528013357716426...
There are some inconsistencies with this article.
There are no "Disks" or "Subsea safety structure" 1,000 feet below the
sea floor, all that is there is well bore. There is nothing that can
allow the mud or oil to "escape" into the rock formation outside the
well bore except the well, because it is the only thing there.
All the actions and few tid bits of information all lead to one
inescapable conclusion. The well pipes below the sea floor are broken
and leaking. Now you have some real data of how BP's actions are
evidence of that, as well as some murky statement from "BP officials"
confirming the same.
I took some time to go into a bit of detail concerning the failure of
Top Kill because this was a significant event. To those of us outside
the real inside loop, yet still fairly knowledgeable, it was a major
confirmation of what many feared. That the system below the sea floor
has serious failures of varying magnitude in the complicated chain,
and it is breaking down and it will continue to.
What does this mean?
It means they will never cap the gusher after the wellhead. They
cannot...the more they try and restrict the oil gushing out the
bop?...the more it will transfer to the leaks below. Just like a leaky
garden hose with a nozzle on it. When you open up the nozzle?...it
doesn't leak so bad, you close the nozzle?...it leaks real bad,
same dynamics. It is why they sawed the riser off...or tried to
anyway...but they clipped it off, to relieve pressure on the leaks
"down hole". I'm sure there was a bit of panic time after they
crimp/pinched off the large riser pipe and the Diamond wire saw got
stuck and failed...because that crimp diverted pressure and flow to
the rupture down below.
Contrary to what most of us would think as logical to stop the oil
mess, actually opening up the gushing well and making it gush more
became direction BP took after confirming that there was a leak. In
fact if you note their actions, that should become clear. They have
shifted from stopping or restricting the gusher to opening it up and
catching it. This only makes sense if they want to relieve pressure at
the leak hidden down below the seabed.....and that sort of leak is one
of the most dangerous and potentially damaging kind of leak there
could be. It is also inaccessible which compounds our problems. There
is no way to stop that leak from above, all they can do is relieve the
pressure on it and the only way to do that right now is to open up the
nozzle above and gush more oil into the gulf and hopefully catch it,
which they have done, they just neglected to tell us why, gee thanks.
A down hole leak is dangerous and damaging for several reasons.
There will be erosion throughout the entire beat up, beat on and beat
down remainder of the "system" including that inaccessible leak. The
same erosion I spoke about in the first post is still present and has
never stopped, cannot be stopped, is impossible to stop and will
always be present in and acting on anything that is left which has
crude oil "Product" rushing through it. There are abrasives still
present, swirling flow will create hot spots of wear and this erosion
is relentless and will always be present until eventually it wears
away enough material to break it's way out. It will slowly eat the bop
away especially at the now pinched off riser head and it will flow
more and more. Perhaps BP can outrun or keep up with that out flow
with various suckage methods for a period of time, but eventually the
well will win that race, just how long that race will be?...no one
really knows....However now?...there are other problems that a down
hole leak will and must produce that will compound this already bad
situation.
This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and
around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the
massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we
are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning
to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.
The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material
of sand and silt. It doesn't hold up anything and isn't meant to, what
holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself.
The very large steel connectors of the initial well head "spud"
stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe
and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn't do anything in way of
support if it did. After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to
support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn't put
a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100' tall pipe "in the air"
and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and
expect it not to bend over...unless that pipe was very much larger
than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well's
piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out
Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the
seabed to function and not literally fall over...and it is now showing
signs of doing just that....falling over.
If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that
some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer...and inclinometer is an
instrument that measures "Incline" or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to
be tilting...and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to...
This is not the only problem that occurs due to erosion of the outer
area of the well casings. The way a well casing assembly functions it
that it is an assembly of different sized "tubes" that decrease in
size as they go down. These tubes have a connection to each other that
is not unlike a click or snap together locking action. After a certain
length is assembled they are cemented around the ouside to the earth
that the more rough drill hole is bored through in the well making
process. A very well put together and simply explained process of "How
to drill a deep water oil well" is available here:
http://www.treesfullofmoney.com/?p=1610
The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the
cementing phase of well construction. Just like if you have many hands
holding a pipe up you could put some weight on the top and the many
hands could hold the pipe and the weight on top easily...but if there
were no hands gripping and holding the pipe?...all the weight must be
held up by the pipe alone. The series of connections between the
sections of casings are not designed to hold up the immense weight of
the BOP without all the "hands" that the cementing provides and they
will eventually buckle and fail when stressed beyond their design
limits.
These are clear and present dangers to the battered subsea safety
structure (bop and lmrp) which is the only loose cork on this well we
have left. The immediate (first 1,000 feet) of well structure that
remains is now also undoubtedly compromised. However.....as bad as
that is?...it is far from the only possible problems with this very
problematic well. There were ongoing troubles with the entire process
during the drilling of this well. There were also many comprises made
by BP IMO which may have resulted in an overall weakened structure of
the entire well system all the way to the bottom plug which is over
12,000 feet deep. Problems with the cementing procedure which was done
by Haliburton and was deemed as was against our best practices. by a
Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out. There
is much more and I won't go into detail right now concerning the lower
end of the well and the troubles encountered during the whole creation
of this well and earlier "Well control" situations that were revieled
in various internal BP e-mails. I will add several links to those
documents and quotes from them below and for now, address the issues
concerning the upper portion of the well and the region of the sea
floor.
What is likely to happen now?
Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about
as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the
entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas
of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it
all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out
preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection.
What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will
literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents
push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to
anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much
sooner.
Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support
the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the
earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away
the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and
when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from
under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing
sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the
entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the
sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be
well aware too, they just are not telling us.
All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well
bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm
of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely
apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill
string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I
said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but
the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck
with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil
or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on
earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out
and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time
also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it
with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as
it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all.
It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last
chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out,
blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a
horrific crescendo.
We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic
estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually
immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get
worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be
thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every
hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are
even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being
optimistic as I said.
Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve,
it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they
may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural
situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out
more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be
stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there
first"...us or the well.
We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win,
but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not.
The system will collapse or fail substantially before we reach the
finish line ahead of the well and the worst is yet to come.
Sorry to bring you that news, I know it is grim, but that is the way I
see it....I sincerely hope I am wrong.
We need to prepare for the possibility of this blow out sending more
oil into the gulf per week then what we already have now, because that
is what a collapse of the system will cause. All the collection
efforts that have captured oil will be erased in short order. The
magnitude of this disaster will increase exponentially by the time we
can do anything to halt it and our odds of actually even being able to
halt it will go down.
The magnitude and impact of this disaster will eclipse anything we
have known in our life times if the worst or even near worst
happens...
We are seeing the puny forces of man vs the awesome forces of nature.
We are going to need some luck and a lot of effort to win...
and if nature decides we ought to lose, we will....
Reference materials:
On April 1, a job log written by a Halliburton employee, Marvin Volek,
warns that BPs use of cement was
against our best practices.
An April 18 internal Halliburton memorandum indicates that Halliburton
again warned BP about its practices,
this time saying that a severe gas flow problem would occur if the
casings were not centered more carefully.
Around that same time, a BP document shows, company officials chose a
type of casing with a greater risk of
collapsing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/us/06rig.html?pagewanted=1&sq=at_issue...
Mark Hafle, the BP drilling engineer who wrote plans for well casings
and cement seals on the Deepwater
Horizon's well, testified that the well had lost thousands of barrels
of mud at the bottom. But he said models
run onshore showed alterations to the cement program would resolve the
issues, and when asked if a cement
failure allowed the well to "flow" gas and oil, he wouldn't
capitulate.
Hafle said he made several changes to casing designs in the last few
days before the well blew, including the
addition of the two casing liners that weren't part of the original
well design because of problems where the
earthen sides of the well were "ballooning." He also worked with
Halliburton engineers to design a plan for
sealing the well casings with cement.
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/hearings_bp_ce...
graphic of fail
http://media.nola.com/news_impact/other/oil-cause-050710.pdf
Casing joint
http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL00001.gif
Casing
http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL00003.gif
Kill may take until Christmas
http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-02/bp-gulf-of-mexico-oil-leak-...
BP Used Riskier Method to Seal Well Before Blast
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/us/27rig.html
BP memo test results
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20100512/Internal.BP.Email.Reg...
Investigation results
The information from BP identifies several new warning signs of
problems. According to BP there were three flow
indicators from the well before the explosion.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Inve...
BP, what we know
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/BP-What.We.Know.pdf
What could have happened
1. Before or during the cement job, an influx of hydrocarbon enters
the wellbore.
2. Influx is circulated during cement job to wellhead and BOP.
3. 9-7/8 casing hanger packoff set and positively tested to 6500 psi.
4. After 16.5 hours waiting on cement, a negative test performed on
wellbore below BOP.
(~ 1400 psi differential pressure on 9-7/8 casing hanger packoff and
~ 2350 psi on
double valve float collar)
5. Packoff leaks allowing hydrocarbon to enter wellbore below BOP.
1400 psi shut in
pressure observed on drill pipe (no flow or pressure observed on kill
line)
6. Hydrocarbon below BOP is unknowingly circulated to surface while
finishing displacing
the riser.
7. As hydrocarbon rises to surface, gas break out of solution further
reduces hydrostatic
pressure in well. Well begin to flow, BOPs and Emergency Disconnect
System (EDS)
activated but failed.
8. Packoff continues to leak allowing further influx from bottom.
Confidential
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/BP-What.Could.Have.Ha...
T/A daily log 4-20
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/TRO-Daily.Drilling.Re...
Cement plug 12,150 ft SCMT logging tool
SCMT (Slim Cement Mapping Tool)
Schlumberger Partial CBL done.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100530/BP-HZN-CEC018441.pdf
Schlum CBL tools
http://www.slb.com/~/media/Files/production/product_sheets/well_integrit...
Major concerns, well control, bop test.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100530/BP-HZN-CEC018375.pdf
Energy & commerce links to docs.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...
well head on sea floor
http://nca-group.com/bilder//Trolla/A.%20GVI%20of%20Trolla%20prior%20to%20WHP002%20(2).jpg
Well head on deck of ship
http://nca-group.com/bilder//Trolla/DSC_0189.JPG
BP's youtube propoganda page, a lot of rarely seen vids here....FWIW
http://www.youtube.com/user/DeepwaterHorizonJIC
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1097505/pg1
I used to cover the energy business (oil, gas and alternative) here in
Texas, and the few experts in the oil field -- including geologists,
chemists, etc. -- able or willing to even speak of this BP event told
me early on that it is likely the entire reserve will bleed out.
Unfortunately none of them could say with any certainty just how much
oil is in the reserve in question because, for one thing, the oil
industry and secrecy have always been synonymous. According to BP data
from about five years ago, there are four separate reservoirs
containing a total of 2.5 billion barrels (barrels not gallons). One
of the reservoirs has 1.5 billion barrels. I saw an earlier post here
quoting an Anadarko Petroleum report which set the total amount at 2.3
billion barrels. One New York Times article put it at 2 billion
barrels.
If the BP data correctly or honestly identified four separate
reservoirs then a bleed-out might gush less than 2 to 2.5 billion
barrels unless the walls -- as it were -- fracture or partially
collapse. I am hearing the same dark rumors which suggest fracturing
and a complete bleed-out are already underway. Rumors also suggest a
massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making. They are
just rumors but it is time for geologists or related experts to end
their deafening silence and speak to these possibilities.
All oilmen lie about everything. The stories one hears about the
extent to which they will protect themselves are all understatements.
BP employees are already taking The Fifth before grand juries, and
attorneys are laying a path for company executives to make a run for
it.
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
--snip--
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Impeach 'em ALL!
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"Mike M" wrote:
> This was posted to another group. This one isn't funny.
------------------
Also not totally accurate.
Hofmeister, pictured as a BP exec, is actually retired CEO, Shell Oil.
--------------------------
> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this
> out:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
--------------------------------------
Just as devestating, but on the lighter side.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
Lew
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=5389883
This was posted to another group. This one isn't funny.
Mike M
Yeah, I'm 2 miles from the eastern shore of Mobile Bay and 20 miles
north of
Gulf Shores/Fort Morgan. When the wind is wrong, I can smell the
burning
right in my living room. It's vile. One of my kayaking buddies got a
dose
of the fumes and went down with a sick headache.
Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in news:hv9fgt$bsj$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
> One of the siphoning ships got hit by lightning today.
>
> Plus a six story high statue of Jesus in Ohio also hit by lightning.
>
It isn't 2012 yet, either !!!
{:p}
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Jun 14, 10:10=A0pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> and this one is in yo face!
>
SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the
earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and
sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the
remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as
well as the drilled hole itself.
As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an
ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the
existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because
what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the
pressure.
The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now
likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing
moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the
Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current
in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18
months.
The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other
toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life
in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many
dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself
beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The
intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a
direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.
The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more
oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have
been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles
beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile
deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The
temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an
enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to
know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not
possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80
feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant
chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.
Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and
existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will
leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the
debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and
water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown
number of years.
Mike M wrote:
> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
Yeah, the liberal bastards force the oil companies to drill 5000 feet
under the ocean and then bitch when something goes wrong....
--
Jack
From Little A.C.O.R.N.S Mighty Marxist Grow!
http://jbstein.com
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:13:32 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>All we need now is a hurricane to bat about the relief well rigs.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>One of the siphoning ships got hit by lightning today.
>
>Plus a six story high statue of Jesus in Ohio also hit by lightning.
A couple conclusions we might make are that:
1) Allah must be pissed.
or
2) BP and that Ohio church made deals with Shiva and didn't follow
through on their parts.
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Impeach 'em ALL!
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"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:29:34 -0400, Jack Stein <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike M wrote:
>>
>>> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
>>
>>Yeah, the liberal bastards force the oil companies to drill 5000 feet
>>under the ocean and then bitch when something goes wrong....
>
>
> I don't know, I sit pretty much in the middle and I don't think
> anyone forced them to drill at those depths. They just thought they
> could make a profit if they did. My opinion will depend a lot on
> whether they are proved negligent.
They were prohibited from drilling closer to shore.
Mike M wrote:
Jack Stein wrote:
>> Mike M wrote:
>>> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
>> Yeah, the liberal bastards force the oil companies to drill 5000 feet
>> under the ocean and then bitch when something goes wrong....
>
> I don't know, I sit pretty much in the middle and I don't think
> anyone forced them to drill at those depths.
Well, if I drill on land, & they drill over 5000 feet of water, on top
of a $billion oil platform, chances are pretty good I'll soon be selling
oil a damned sight cheaper than they will, and soon, they would be
drilling on land or shallow water just like me. Do you think they like
dropping 5000 feet of pipe off a damned boat before they even start to
drill? They are forced to go deep because they can't go on land or near
land.
> They just thought they could make a profit if they did.
I guess they don't figure they could make a profit drilling on land, or
off-shore?
> My opinion will depend a lot on whether they are proved negligent.
I think those banning off-shore and land drilling but issuing permits
for drilling on top of 5000 feet of water are negligent and should be in
jail for stupidity. Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of
its stated intent, and this one is in yo face!
--
Jack
If Ignorance is Bliss, You must be One Happy Liberal!
http://jbstein.com
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jun 14, 10:10 pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> and this one is in yo face!
>
SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the
earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.
The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and
sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the
remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as
well as the drilled hole itself.
As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an
ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the
existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because
what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the
pressure.
The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now
likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing
moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the
Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current
in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18
months.
The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other
toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life
in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many
dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself
beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The
intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a
direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.
The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more
oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have
been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles
beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile
deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The
temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an
enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to
know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not
possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80
feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant
chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.
Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and
existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will
leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the
debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and
water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown
number of years.
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I'd guess millions.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
snip scenario
I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
day series of events.
If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
our shareholders and appetites.
Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
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I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be worth
picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've been
keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it struck
me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, black
holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
might do us in!
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:41:43 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>>snip scenario
>>
>>I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
>>scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
>>day series of events.
>>If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
>>race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
>>our shareholders and appetites.
>>Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
>>because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
>>deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be worth
>>picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
>>there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
>>Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've been
>>keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it
>>struck
>>me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
>>considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, black
>>holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
>>might do us in!
>
> The good news is that 12/21/2012 is right around the corner. We won't
> suffer long. ;)
But somebody will find a Quatrain RSN ... :(
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jun 15, 8:41 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:234b4626-9e35-4c13-86fc-2899f729fb17@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> snip scenario
>
> I have no idea whether or not there is any foundation to this
> scenario. I guess one can Rube-Goldberg just about any kind of dooms-
> day series of events.
> If nothing else, this article does illustrate that we, as a human
> race, aren't always thinking much past the immediate gratification of
> our shareholders and appetites.
> Personally, I think that the relief wells will handle this fiasco,
> because if I don't hold onto that hope, I'll have to drop my arms and
> deal with the fact that we are truly and completely fucked.
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> I quoted the whole scenario last time because I thought it might be worth
> picking up an extra reader or two. I also have no idea whether or not
> there's any foundation to it, but it sounds more plausible than a Rube
> Goldberg. Didn't sleep much last night just mulling this over. I've been
> keeping up with the news on this, but this is the first time that it
> struck
> me that this could be a Catastrophic Event and not one that I've seen
> considered before. Global warming, meteors, comets, mega volcanoes, black
> holes, solar flares and all the other mega catastrophes and an Oil Well
> might do us in!
All we need now is a hurricane to bat about the relief well rigs.
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One of the siphoning ships got hit by lightning today.
Plus a six story high statue of Jesus in Ohio also hit by lightning.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:26:06 -0700, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:29:34 -0400, Jack Stein <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Mike M wrote:
>>
>>> Those pictures of booming you're seeing? Total crap. Check this out:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w
>>
>>Yeah, the liberal bastards force the oil companies to drill 5000 feet
>>under the ocean and then bitch when something goes wrong....
>
>
>I don't know, I sit pretty much in the middle and I don't think
>anyone forced them to drill at those depths. They just thought they
>could make a profit if they did. My opinion will depend a lot on
>whether they are proved negligent.
That's the lease they got. They couldn't drill anywhere they pleased.