I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
and still rust is forming on the surface. I have a few questions...
How do I clean all the rust off???? Do I need a tool or can I use a
rag and solution?
Next what can I use to protect my table saws machined surfaces that
works well and is EASY to apply and LASTS????? Three applications of
paste wax is a pain in the arse and I have had crap for results.
Any help is much appreciated. I would rather pay $25 for a 30 minute
answer than $3 for a good paste wax that takes hours and leaves me
with rust!!!
Frustrates TS owner,
Dan
"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But Ospho IS some fine stuff. More people should use it-especially
> thos ewith iron exposed to the elements. Light poles are a good use
> for it along with automobile bodies and so on.
>
We would if someone would tell us what the hell it is.
Ed (who is in the 98% group)_
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<nQt%[email protected]>...
> WD40 and steel wool to remove the rust and TopCote to protect the finish.
> This product is specifically made for the purpose of protecting TS tops and
> making the slicker for less friction.
I live on the coast in a subtropical area where rust is a never ending
problem and the best thing I have found if the rust is more than just
on the surface is Ospho and a Scotch Brite pad. Do NOT let the Oshpo
dry. I use Top Cote to preserve the surface and it isn't perfect but
it's better than whatever is second.
[email protected] (WillaimC) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<nQt%[email protected]>...
> > WD40 and steel wool to remove the rust and TopCote to protect the finish.
> > This product is specifically made for the purpose of protecting TS tops and
> > making the slicker for less friction.
>
> I live on the coast in a subtropical area where rust is a never ending
> problem and the best thing I have found if the rust is more than just
> on the surface is Ospho and a Scotch Brite pad. Do NOT let the Oshpo
> dry. I use Top Cote to preserve the surface and it isn't perfect but
> it's better than whatever is second.
Sorry-It never occured to me that everyone isn't familiar with Ospho
because it's such a staple here. I think it's mostly phosphoric acid
and if allowed to to dry will form a black coating on the metal and
neutralize the rust allowing it to be painted. Again-do NOT let it
dry on your tools because it's very hard to get off. Yahoo has lots
of hits on Ospho and where to get it. It's so good it should be one
of the basic food groups.
I think Ospho is far superior to naval jelly and you don't need to
brush it on because it's the consistency of water. You will use less
and get better coverage if you apply it with a spray bottle. I don't
wire brush it after it dries unless I get a heavy white scale. I do
normally put Rustoleum Red Primer over it before painting and find it
even works on barbeque pits.
William C writes:
>I think Ospho is far superior to naval jelly and you don't need to
>brush it on because it's the consistency of water. You will use less
>and get better coverage if you apply it with a spray bottle. I don't
>wire brush it after it dries unless I get a heavy white scale. I do
>normally put Rustoleum Red Primer over it before painting and find it
>even works on barbeque pits.
Jesus. My Unisaw and DJ20 will look fantastic in red primer!
Charlie Self
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
Dan Quayle
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:04:42 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> pixelated:
>WillaimC wrote:
>
>> dry on your tools because it's very hard to get off. Yahoo has lots
>> of hits on Ospho and where to get it. It's so good it should be one
>> of the basic food groups.
>
>It *is* one of the basic food groups. Ospho sounds like Coke/Pepsi/Dr.
>Pepper to me. :)
DO let us know what it tastes like, won't you?
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Forget about paste wax. I have my shop in a very harsh environment.
It's in a barn that gets heated with a barrel stove while I'm working.
In late winter and spring, and sometimes in fall, once in a while in
summer conditions are such that any heavy metal gets condensation all
over it. I have no problem with rust. When I finish for the day I
clean the sawdust & shavings off the machines with a shop brush and/or
a fireplace bellows and then spray a light coat of WD40 on the
machined surfaces. Next time I want to use the machine I take the rag
that sits by the machine and wipe all the WD40 off. I've been doing
this for 20+ years and the table saw still looks new. I do the same
for my bandsaw, jointer, drill press, and both lathes. Also, I've
never had a problem with the wood I am milling being stained by the
WD40, whether it's pine or rosewood. The WD40 comes up completely
when I wipe it off. When the rag gets saturated (a long time) I save
it to wipe down my hand tools and get a clean one for that machine.
"Bluetobb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
: and still rust is forming on the surface. I have a few questions...
: How do I clean all the rust off???? Do I need a tool or can I use a
: rag and solution?
:
: Next what can I use to protect my table saws machined surfaces that
: works well and is EASY to apply and LASTS????? Three applications of
: paste wax is a pain in the arse and I have had crap for results.
:
: Any help is much appreciated. I would rather pay $25 for a 30 minute
: answer than $3 for a good paste wax that takes hours and leaves me
: with rust!!!
:
: Frustrates TS owner,
: Dan
I use green scotchbrite and wd-40 to clean the metal. By hand or put the pad on an orbital sander. I
use Bostik topcote afterwards.
http://www.ospho.com/directions.htm
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%KC%[email protected]...
>
> "Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > But Ospho IS some fine stuff. More people should use it-especially
> > thos ewith iron exposed to the elements. Light poles are a good use
> > for it along with automobile bodies and so on.
> >
>
> We would if someone would tell us what the hell it is.
>
> Ed (who is in the 98% group)_
>
>
Bluetobb spaketh...
> I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
> and still rust is forming on the surface.
Are you cleaning the rust off [completely] before applying the paste wax?
> I have a few questions...
> How do I clean all the rust off????
This is super secret knowledge passed down from Egyptians:
http://tinyurl.com/k6sc
--
McQualude
[email protected] (Tony D.) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Patrick Fitzgerald <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> [posted and mailed]
> You can get a set of three
>> from Highland Hardware for $15 (www.highlandhardware.com, search for
>> "rust eraser"). When the table is clean use your choice of
>> protectants <snip>
>
> Craftsman makes a pad that looks to be the same thing. My local big
> lots has them right now for $2.99 each. They have the course, medium &
> fine,
I think the official name of the rust erasers is "Sandflex blocks". I was
looking through Shopnotes vol. 11 issue 69 and they also had a write up on
using them w/ topcote. This is also what David Marks recommended in the
workshop tour episode of D.I.Y. Woodworks.
Ospho is a phosphoric acid based material which you paint onto metal
pieces and let dry. Brush it off with a wire brush, prime, paint and
you have a paint job that will last.
I just found this on Google:
" I don't know the details of the composition or chemistry, but Ospho
is a phosphoric acid based liquid and the label says it "is a balanced
formula of phosphoric, dichromate, wetting agents and extenders". The
manufacturer is listed as Skybryte Company of Cleveland, Ohio.
A typical use might be as a metal-etching primer in which the item is
dipped in the room-temperature liquid, or the liquid is brushed on, is
allowed to act for a short period of time (15 minutes), and then the
item is wiped and/or air-blown dry."
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:36:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> But Ospho IS some fine stuff. More people should use it-especially
>> thos ewith iron exposed to the elements. Light poles are a good use
>> for it along with automobile bodies and so on.
>>
>
>We would if someone would tell us what the hell it is.
>
>Ed (who is in the 98% group)_
>
Lawrence Ramsey responds:
>Ospho is a phosphoric acid based material which you paint onto metal
>pieces and let dry. Brush it off with a wire brush, prime, paint and
>you have a paint job that will last.
>
Sounds much like Naval Jelly without the water rinse.
Charlie Self
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
Dan Quayle
Hi Charlie! Yes, it does sound almost exactly like naval jelly,
doesn't it? I thought that also as I was typing it. there is also a
good looking product by a company called Bull-Frog that looks mighty
good.
http://www.bull-frog.com/blocker.html
How's that job hunting going?
On 17 Aug 2003 16:51:58 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Lawrence Ramsey responds:
>
>>Ospho is a phosphoric acid based material which you paint onto metal
>>pieces and let dry. Brush it off with a wire brush, prime, paint and
>>you have a paint job that will last.
>>
>
>Sounds much like Naval Jelly without the water rinse.
>
>Charlie Self
>
>"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
>Dan Quayle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Lawrence Ramsey asks:
>Hi Charlie! Yes, it does sound almost exactly like naval jelly,
>doesn't it? I thought that also as I was typing it. there is also a
>good looking product by a company called Bull-Frog that looks mighty
>good.
>
>http://www.bull-frog.com/blocker.html
>
>How's that job hunting going?
Lots going out. Nothing coming in.
Thought I had a shot at a job in Saudi Arabia, but even that fell through. I
get the feeling I wouldn't last long enough to fulfil a 5 year contract after
the guy asked me for my birthdate (that's only illegal in the States, and the
phone interviewer was in London).
Charlie Self
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
Dan Quayle
Since they can no longer ask your age, some have taken to asking you when
you graduated high school.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> Thought I had a shot at a job in Saudi Arabia, but even that fell through.
I
> get the feeling I wouldn't last long enough to fulfil a 5 year contract
after
> the guy asked me for my birthdate (that's only illegal in the States, and
the
> phone interviewer was in London).
>
>
> Charlie Self
>
> "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
> Dan Quayle
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
CW writes:
>Since they can no longer ask your age, some have taken to asking you when
>you graduated high school.
>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>> Thought I had a shot at a job in Saudi Arabia, but even that fell through.
>I
>> get the feeling I wouldn't last long enough to fulfil a 5 year contract
>after
>> the guy asked me for my birthdate (that's only illegal in the States, and
>the
>> phone interviewer was in London).
That's illegal, too.
The only dated items on my resume are for my college graduation and for the
dates my books were published. They tell a tale of age, of course, but some
things have to be allowed. Besides, I graduated from college late...4 years in
the USMC will do that, as will other delays.
Charlie Self
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
Dan Quayle
The point the barn owner left out is that he constantly uses his
machines. Lucky guy forgot that. If you leave WD-40 for an extended
period, it will evaporate and allow rust to form. But for short term
use (couple of weeks), I use it too. I had a barn too and really miss
is. Had a charm all it's own.
On 16 Aug 2003 05:09:14 -0700, [email protected] (Larry) wrote:
>Forget about paste wax. I have my shop in a very harsh environment.
>It's in a barn that gets heated with a barrel stove while I'm working.
> In late winter and spring, and sometimes in fall, once in a while in
>summer conditions are such that any heavy metal gets condensation all
>over it. I have no problem with rust. When I finish for the day I
>clean the sawdust & shavings off the machines with a shop brush and/or
>a fireplace bellows and then spray a light coat of WD40 on the
>machined surfaces. Next time I want to use the machine I take the rag
>that sits by the machine and wipe all the WD40 off. I've been doing
>this for 20+ years and the table saw still looks new. I do the same
>for my bandsaw, jointer, drill press, and both lathes. Also, I've
>never had a problem with the wood I am milling being stained by the
>WD40, whether it's pine or rosewood. The WD40 comes up completely
>when I wipe it off. When the rag gets saturated (a long time) I save
>it to wipe down my hand tools and get a clean one for that machine.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:17:13 GMT, McQualude <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>Bluetobb spaketh...
>
>> I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
>> and still rust is forming on the surface.
>
>Are you cleaning the rust off [completely] before applying the paste wax?
>
>> I have a few questions...
>> How do I clean all the rust off????
>
>This is super secret knowledge passed down from Egyptians:
>http://tinyurl.com/k6sc
for the benefit of the archives, which no one seems to use, sometimes
including myself
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=how+to+remove+rust+from+a+table+saw&ei=UTF-8&fr=ieas&vm=i&n=30&fl=1&vl=lang_en&x=wrt&all=0
WillaimC wrote:
> dry on your tools because it's very hard to get off. Yahoo has lots
> of hits on Ospho and where to get it. It's so good it should be one
> of the basic food groups.
It *is* one of the basic food groups. Ospho sounds like Coke/Pepsi/Dr.
Pepper to me. :)
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In a previous post, someone said to put "Liquid Wrench" on the surface, then
use a Scotch Brite pad (000 grit), and rub the rust off. I had spots on my
jointer and TS that I tried this on. I used the 3in1 penetrating oil that
Lowes carries, and one of their scratch pads. It worked great.
After, I wiped the surface down with a rag that I had previously used to
apply WD 40 to some hand tools. I wiped the surfaces again with a dry clean
rag, then applied Johnson's Paste Wax. It's held up great so far -
Nick B
"Bluetobb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
> and still rust is forming on the surface. I have a few questions...
> How do I clean all the rust off???? Do I need a tool or can I use a
> rag and solution?
>
> Next what can I use to protect my table saws machined surfaces that
> works well and is EASY to apply and LASTS????? Three applications of
> paste wax is a pain in the arse and I have had crap for results.
>
> Any help is much appreciated. I would rather pay $25 for a 30 minute
> answer than $3 for a good paste wax that takes hours and leaves me
> with rust!!!
>
> Frustrates TS owner,
> Dan
"Bluetobb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
> and still rust is forming on the surface. I have a few questions...
> How do I clean all the rust off???? Do I need a tool or can I use a
> rag and solution?
>
> Next what can I use to protect my table saws machined surfaces that
> works well and is EASY to apply and LASTS????? Three applications of
> paste wax is a pain in the arse and I have had crap for results.
Well, your first problem is using Craftsman wax on a Delta product. That'll
cause problems for sure..... :)
Seriously, I use mineral spirits and a Scotchbrite pad to take rust off, and
Topcote aerosol as a final protectant. If the rust is really heavy (which
it shouldn't be), a single edge razor blade scraper works really well. My
basement is very humid this summer owing to all the rain we've had in the
Northeast, and there is no rust on any of the tool surface protected with
Topcote. I haven't run any of my machines since May, so I can't say that
frequent use will keep the rust off.
JonE
On 15 Aug 2003 20:17:27 -0700, [email protected] (Bluetobb) wrote:
>I have put three coats of craftsman paste wax on my Delta table saw
>and still rust is forming on the surface.
What colour is the table ? Silver or brown ?
Freshly machined cast iron is silver/grey. It's highly reactive with
oxygen, let alone in a damp atmosphere. Leave it damp overnight and
you'll come back to bright orange or dark grey waterspots.
Old iron is brown. Now this colouration is an iron oxide, but it's not
"rust" as we would normally regard it. It's mechanically stable and of
a good hardness. It's even regarded as a deliberate finish by
gunsmiths - "browning". Abuse this surface and it will rust far less
quickly than a new silver table.
Silver cast iron just isn't stable. You're not going to preserve it
that way without a _lot_ of effort. One of the best preservation
processes for it (assuming decades of life) is to encourage the
development of an even browned finish. Avoid moisture, avoid droplets,
clean up damage, but do;t get obsessive about it darkening evenly over
time.
The other issue is the quality of the iron and the machining. A
mirror-like silver surface can be preserved forever, if you try, but
grey iron with milling marks still on it isn;t going to last out a
winter, no matter what you do.