One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
phase motor.
While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
location, of course.
With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
with the switch.
Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
ought to check first?
--
Chuck Taylor
http://home.hiwaay.net/~taylorc/contact/
Chuck Taylor wrote:
> One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
> Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
> which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
> Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
> phase motor.
>
> While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
> the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
> planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
> the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
> experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
> location, of course.
>
> With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
> continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
> is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
> double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
> to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
> with the switch.
>
> Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
> the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
> voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
> ought to check first?
>
>
It is probably ok.
Did you take the switch apart and look at it? If
you can, you should, and you should clean and
regrease it.
I had a similar thing happen to me and bought a
replacement double pole switch because I wasn't
sure I could depend on the switch to turn off. I
took it apart and carefully examined it and
nothing seemed wrong and it worked perfectly.
Finally, I figured out that a splinter or piece of
sawdust must have gotten into it and jambed it,
and it fell out or I wiped it out when cleaning
the switch and didn't see it. I've tried it many
times since and it snaps on and off perfectly, so
I think I can depend on it for another application.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:44:51 -0600, Chuck Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:
>That's right. The planer is eleven years old this month, according to
>the nameplate....
Make that 21 years old. Built in 1985.
--
Chuck Taylor
http://home.hiwaay.net/~taylorc/contact/
In article <[email protected]>, Chuck Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:
> One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
> Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
> which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
> Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
> phase motor.
>
> While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
> the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
> planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
> the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
> experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
> location, of course.
>
> With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
> continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
> is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
> double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
> to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
> with the switch.
>
> Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
> the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
> voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
> ought to check first?
Replace it! It'll turn off just fine until you have some kind of
emergency that needs it shut off RIGHT NOW, and that's when the dammed
thing will stick in the ON position--with that loose shirt sleeve being
pulled inexorably into the planer. :-)
--
Vince Heuring To email, remove the Vince.
"Chuck Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
> Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
> which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
> Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
> phase motor.
>
> Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
> the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
> voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
> ought to check first?
>
New switch. Probably just a case of dirty, if it checks out, but you really
don't care for about six bucks, do you? The planer's a great one, should
last for years. Don't bother to try and compare it to current offspring,
they just don't measure up in material and workmanship.
Oh yes, if your switch is on the box like mine, it's a place that can use
some compressed air once every so often. Damp dust can do what you
experienced. I've seen it in motors stored where it can get damp.
"Vince Heuring" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:120220061633468709%> Replace it! It'll turn off just fine until you
have some kind of
> emergency that needs it shut off RIGHT NOW, and that's when the dammed
> thing will stick in the ON position--with that loose shirt sleeve being
> pulled inexorably into the planer. :-)
>
Disengaging the feed lever will take care of that.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:15:46 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Food for thought . . I didn't follow the thread about the Unisaw, but sounds
>like they are new to you, while still fairly aged.
That's right. The planer is eleven years old this month, according to
the nameplate, and I believe the Unisaw was built in 1987.
> Try this test; turn the
>planer on, then unplug it. Now do your continuity check and see if it opens
>when you turn it off. I suspect switch arcing & welding the contacts shut,
>which wouldn't show up in a test with no power at all. Just my $.25. Either
>way, as others suggest, a new switch isn't that much.
I suspect the same. I may give that test a try for curiosity's sake,
but with all fingers pointing at the switch, I'm going to replace it
anyway.
Thanks to all for the replies.
--
Chuck Taylor
http://home.hiwaay.net/~taylorc/contact/
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:53:41 -0500, "Frank S." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I had the same thing happen with my Delta Jointer. the power would not
>shut off. It was intermittent and the tech thought there was nothing
>wrong with it. I should have called Delta, but went to a local repair
>shop in Raleigh and got a replacement for abt $22
I see now that the switch is rated 10A/250V and the motor is rated
11.6A/240V. No idea how long it worked before failing.
My search so far of some local sources and the Grainger Web site
hasn't turned up any replacement switches with the right form factor
and rated better than 10A at 250V, although one clerk offered the
helpful remark "I know they have them somewhere".
Any suggestions for another online source to check? The other Chuck's
recommendation of a magnetic switch is a tempting one too.
--
Chuck Taylor
http://home.hiwaay.net/~taylorc/contact/
"Chuck Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
> Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
> which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
> Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
> phase motor.
>
> While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
> the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
> planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
> the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
> experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
> location, of course.
>
> With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
> continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
> is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
> double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
> to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
> with the switch.
>
> Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
> the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
> voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
> ought to check first?
>
>
> --
Food for thought . . I didn't follow the thread about the Unisaw, but sounds
like they are new to you, while still fairly aged. Try this test; turn the
planer on, then unplug it. Now do your continuity check and see if it opens
when you turn it off. I suspect switch arcing & welding the contacts shut,
which wouldn't show up in a test with no power at all. Just my $.25. Either
way, as others suggest, a new switch isn't that much.
--
Nahmie
The only road to success is always under construction.
Sounds like a bad switch. No matter what, you might consider replacing
it with a magnetic contactor type switch. $40 for a grizzly. The benefit
is if power is interrupted, the machine will not continue running when
power is restored, but will have to be started again.
Really nice for your Unisaw also, if it doesn't already have one.
Good luck.
Chuck
Chuck Taylor wrote:
> One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
> Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
> which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
> Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
> phase motor.
>
> While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
> the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
> planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
> the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
> experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
> location, of course.
>
> With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
> continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
> is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
> double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
> to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
> with the switch.
>
> Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
> the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
> voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
> ought to check first?
>
>
I had the same thing happen with my Delta Jointer. the power would not
shut off. It was intermittent and the tech thought there was nothing
wrong with it. I should have called Delta, but went to a local repair
shop in Raleigh and got a replacement for abt $22
Chuck Taylor wrote:
>One of my recent "new" machines (acquired at the same time as the
>Unisaw that was the subject of another thread several days ago, and
>which made the trip home just fine, thankyouverymuch) is an
>Invicta/Delta 22-650 (aka Rockwell RC-33) planer. 220V, 2HP, single
>phase motor.
>
>While making space for these machines and setting them up, I turned on
>the planer for a few seconds, then flipped the switch to OFF. The
>planer kept running. It took a few more flips of the switch before
>the planer stopped. I repeated the process and had the same
>experience. It didn't do this when I tried it out at its old
>location, of course.
>
>With the power disconnected I checked the switch terminals for
>continuity. So far I haven't been able to duplicate the problem--that
>is, to get continuity with the switch in the OFF position. (It's a
>double-pole switch, and both pairs of terminals behave like they ought
>to when probed with a meter.) Nothing looks or smells out of sorts
>with the switch.
>
>Unless someone suggests another possiblity, I'm going to assume that
>the switch is faulty in some way that doesn't show up at low
>voltage/current, and that it simply needs replacing. Anything else I
>ought to check first?
>
>
>
>