I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
Please - don't take it too seriously.
http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
Greg
===================
Congratulations, Greg!
Your IQ score is 135
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Facts Curator. This means you are highly
intelligent and have picked up an impressive and unique collection of facts
and figures over the years. You've got a remarkable vocabulary and
exceptional math skills - which puts you in the same class as brainiacs like
Bill Gates. And that's just some of what we know about you from your test
results.
In article <[email protected]>, brocpuffs
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe this is a data mining operation??
Ya think?
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
> When Psychology sought to break away from Philosophy, it did so on the
> argument of quantifiability - it was, it said, a Science - because it
> could measure and predict.
>
> I'm not so sure.
Folks like Stephen Gould and his book, "The Mismeasure of Man" (a good read,
along with the Bell Curve, for anyone interested in the subject) insist that
continuing attempts to quantify human intelligence/cognitive ability the
past hundred years or so have resulted in marginally defining the opposing
ends of the spectrum, but have not been of much more benefit than
craniometry a couple of centuries back.
I am not so sure that I buy that. If for no other reason than measurement
and classifying are basic techniques of science which have inarguably made
scientific progress possible.
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SO I tried it too.
I couldn't get past the page asking for lots of personal info. I
answered these questions, but didn't elect to get their newsletter
Did others refuse the newsletter?
I have an ad blocker, "Ad Smasher", running in the background at all
times. Ad Smasher informed me something was being pushed on my
computer, and the something was being refused.
Maybe this is a data mining operation??
James
[email protected]
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:38:01 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> >It might be interesting.
>> >
>> >Greg Millen = 135
>> >Jack Novak = 136
>> Larry Jaques = 136
>> Greetings, fellow Group W benchers!
>
>Owen Lowe = 138 / Visionary Philosopher
Boy, howdy!
>NANNYNANNYBOOBOO!!
Huh?!?
>Interesting how it appears more of us were deemed VPs than WWs, VMs or
>FCs...
It's probably a highly scientific (read: "random") formula they
use on the extremely valuable test they give out freely.
>Back in high skool my score was 133, so maybe getting old does have
>merits.
125 here.
>I'd also like to know the ones I got wrong but couldn't find any link to
>let me know.
You pay your $12.95 and JUST MAYBE find out if it's in the 15 page
detailed report. Har!
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"George" <george@least> wrote in message
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> Of course, I haven't turned over any logs nor eaten any ants since
survival
> school, either....
Ahh, Survival School. They told me if we could catch a Bush Rat it would
taste like a Brown Snake which is like chewy chicken. Well, 2.5 weeks in, we
caught one - the bastids lied. Bush rat tastes just like bush rat, which I
imagine is like any other rat.
Greg
Greg Millen writes:
>> Of course, I haven't turned over any logs nor eaten any ants since
>survival
>> school, either....
>
>Ahh, Survival School. They told me if we could catch a Bush Rat it would
>taste like a Brown Snake which is like chewy chicken. Well, 2.5 weeks in, we
>caught one - the bastids lied. Bush rat tastes just like bush rat, which I
>imagine is like any other rat
There are some things I'm really happy I don't know firsthand.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
On 07 Jun 2004 07:34:03 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
calmly ranted:
>Greg Millen writes:
>
>>> Of course, I haven't turned over any logs nor eaten any ants since
>>survival
>>> school, either....
>>
>>Ahh, Survival School. They told me if we could catch a Bush Rat it would
>>taste like a Brown Snake which is like chewy chicken. Well, 2.5 weeks in, we
>>caught one - the bastids lied. Bush rat tastes just like bush rat, which I
>>imagine is like any other rat
>
>There are some things I'm really happy I don't know firsthand.
Ayup. Distastefulness by proxy has its advantages.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> "Leon" wrote in message
> > I did that test a few months ago and got a 142.
>
> You're gonna have to move, Leon ... this town ain't big enough for two
> geniuses!
>
OK, I bit, although I didn't spend much time on it. It said mine
was 135 which is 30 less than it was in high school.
Considering that was 50 years ago, it's probably right :-).
Now we'll see how much spam I get at a throwaway email address
:-).
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:05:07 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
>> When Psychology sought to break away from Philosophy, it did so on the
>> argument of quantifiability - it was, it said, a Science - because it
>> could measure and predict.
>>
>> I'm not so sure.
>
>Folks like Stephen Gould and his book, "The Mismeasure of Man" (a good read,
>along with the Bell Curve, for anyone interested in the subject) insist that
>continuing attempts to quantify human intelligence/cognitive ability the
>past hundred years or so have resulted in marginally defining the opposing
>ends of the spectrum, but have not been of much more benefit than
>craniometry a couple of centuries back.
>
>I am not so sure that I buy that. If for no other reason than measurement
>and classifying are basic techniques of science which have inarguably made
>scientific progress possible.
yeah, but human intelligence pretty much defies quantization. what
those tests measure is culture; ie, how educated are you by the
cultural standards of the folks who wrote the test and how good are
you at solving problems that those same folks can think up.
And I didn't even send them the 12.95, although the phony email address used
the first try had already been used.
Congratulations, Rick!
Your IQ score is 133
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Visionary Philosopher. This means you are highly
intelligent and have a powerful mix of skills and insight that can be
applied in a variety of different ways. Like Plato, your exceptional math
and verbal skills make you very adept at explaining things to others - and
at anticipating and predicting patterns. And that's just some of what we
know about you from your IQ results.
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gNIwc.53801$eY2.1505@attbi_s02...
> 158. If you do well on this test or enjoy tests like this, you should try
> the Mensa test.
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless
fun.
> > Please - don't take it too seriously.
> >
> > http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ===================
> > Congratulations, Greg!
> > Your IQ score is 135
> >
> > This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
> > questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to
> others.
> >
> > Your Intellectual Type is Facts Curator. This means you are highly
> > intelligent and have picked up an impressive and unique collection of
> facts
> > and figures over the years. You've got a remarkable vocabulary and
> > exceptional math skills - which puts you in the same class as brainiacs
> like
> > Bill Gates. And that's just some of what we know about you from your
test
> > results.
> >
> >
>
Greg Millen wrote:
> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>
> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>
> Greg
>
> ===================
> IQ Test relative to others.
It might be interesting.
Greg Millen = 135
Jack Novak = 136
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Bob Schmall wrote:
> Nope--I created a fictitious identity and they didn't accept it, so I'll
> just never know. Previous tests have given an IQ range of 150-160.
A fictitious identity worked for me although the first time I tried the email
address I entered had already been used.
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brocpuffs wrote:
> I couldn't get past the page asking for lots of personal info. I
> answered these questions, but didn't elect to get their newsletter
> Did others refuse the newsletter?
> I have an ad blocker, "Ad Smasher", running in the background at all
> times. Ad Smasher informed me something was being pushed on my
> computer, and the something was being refused.
> Maybe this is a data mining operation??
I got through that page and when i submitted it it refused my
e-mail addy, the real one. I checked my mail and it had accepted
it afterall. I clicked on the link and wasn't able to retrieve
any results. PITA as far as I'm concerned. I told them to remove
my data from their dB and lists.
Dave in Fairfax
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brocpuffs wrote:
> SO I tried it too.
>
> I couldn't get past the page asking for lots of personal info. I
> answered these questions, but didn't elect to get their newsletter
>
> Did others refuse the newsletter?
The only true information I gave was my DOB as it is necessary to get an
accurate score since IQ is based on age. All the other information,
including an email address was made up.
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Henry E Schaffer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> >The only true information I gave was my DOB as it is necessary to get an
> >accurate score since IQ is based on age.
>
> IIRC, that's only for children. It isn't so for the adult tests.
An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
multiplied by 100.
> >All the other information, including an email address was made up.
>
> How could you every do such an evil thing? :-)
I put my aluminum foil helmet on first so the black helicopters couldn't see
me.
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Jack Novak writes:
>
>An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
>multiplied by 100.
>
Is that why teenagers are so damned smart? I can recall our youngest telling us
that her 8th grade schoolmates could do better at running the country...this
was the day after a kid at a dance got bumped off the bleachers, almost knocked
himself out, and the entire dance erupted in threats from his brothers (to the
persons who supposedly pushed him off the seat), and running mascara amongst
all the girls who thought the dizzy kid was dead, even though he was sitting up
and moving his head.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Charlie Self wrote:
> Jack Novak writes:
>
>>
>>An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
>>multiplied by 100.
>>
>
> Is that why teenagers are so damned smart? I can recall our youngest
> telling us that her 8th grade schoolmates could do better at running the
> country...this was the day after a kid at a dance got bumped off the
> bleachers, almost knocked himself out, and the entire dance erupted in
> threats from his brothers (to the persons who supposedly pushed him off
> the seat), and running mascara amongst all the girls who thought the dizzy
> kid was dead, even though he was sitting up and moving his head.
It's amazing how much smarter your parents get as you grow older.
> Charlie Self
> "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
> exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:57:47 -0400, Nova wrote:
>
> > An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
> > multiplied by 100.
>
> Sooooo, the older we get, the more on we get. I knew there was a
> reason...
Henry Schaffer pointed out that the formula I stated is used only for
children. For adults, until 1960, the age 16 was used as the divisor. Now
they just lump all us old fogies together and average us out to come up with
the base of 100. It's called the "deviation IQ" or in my case the "deviant
IQ". ;-)
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Hmmmm, if I came in from the woods to take a sh*t, does that make me
smarter'n him?
Of course, I haven't turned over any logs nor eaten any ants since survival
school, either....
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 158. If you do well on this test or enjoy tests like this, you should try
> the Mensa test.
The test measures the ability to discern pattern and similarity. It is a
pretty close approximation of the way our brain is wired, therefore it can
predict in a relative way, who will learn more rapidly. You can call that
intelligence, motivation, whatever you care to, but the fact remains that
our brains integrate new based on analogy with the old.
So keep yourself or someone you trust in constant contact with those young
children. The more they hook up early, the more they have to hook to later.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> We tend to achieve what we are led to believe we can achieve. If we don't
> listen to our detractors then 'learned helplessness' is not a factor. I
> think Tom Plamann is a good example, he appears to only accept defeat
when,
> hmm, well, I dunno - perhaps Tom simply doesn't accept defeat. I suspect a
> Spartan approach is used "don't tell me the number of the enemy, just the
> location".
>
> >
> > Who would have been qualified to measure the potential of Einstein, or
> > Mozart, or Jefferson?
>
> Is this a comment on the school system? (leading question)
>
> >
> > For my money - there are many different kinds of intelligence - and
> > not all of them can be measured. Hell, not all of them can even be
> > named.
>
> Thank goodness for variety, we'd be pretty bland if we were the same.
'viva
> la difference'
Or - they've changed the tests?
Dumbing down is a reality. Can't avoid pandering to the lowest scores,
because they have one vote each, too.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > While the IQ test was
> > designed around an expected score of 100 and a standard deviation of
> > 10, I have read lately that the national average has climbed almost a
> > full standard deviation, meaning that an IQ score of 130 is only two
> > standard deviations from the mean, or roughly 95% falls under that
> > score.
>
> Clearly a result of the aging population as SAT scores don't reflect it.
Age
> comparison tests would show a normal view.
>
> >
> > I don't believe these internet test sites are reliable. I have scored
> > as high as 165, which I know is not true.
>
> I don't take any of them seriously, along with palm readings and
astrology.
> I think anyone who has done a number of these tests over the years has had
a
> variety of results.
Or, more likely, low reading ability.
That's why we catch misspellings - it doesn't "look" right.
"Jim Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nathan Allen wrote...
> > A more interesting consideration than intelligence for wood workers ...
> > ..would be the prevalence of bad spellers and dyslexics. Woodworking
> > doesn't require a lot of reading, and once you understand the principles
> > of it, it doesn't require reading lots of directions.
>
> Possibly it's just a reflection of (primarily American) culture as a
> whole, with its long-diminishing emphasis on grammatical and spelling
> rigor.
>
"Tom Watson" wrote in message ...
> I've always done well on tests like the Stanford-Binet, SAT, LSAT,
> AFQT and the like - but they always bothered me.
>
> I was always concerned with what the testers thought that they were
> testing.
In this instance, I wondered what a test from the tickle site could be
worth, "test tickle" didn't fill me with confidence.
> In particular, I have great reservations about those tests that
> purport to measure general intelligence. I used to know a guy who
> helped cobble up some of these tests for the boys in Princeton, where
> this sort of thing is a real cash cow - and that guy never impressed
> me as being real smart, himself.
These people usually fail the "Don't touch - wet paint" exam.
> It seems like they are an exercise in trying to find out 'how much
> like us you are' and I worry about how much like them any of us should
> want to be.
>
> Too, the reporting of the scores can have an adverse affect on those
> who don't do well at this kind of thing, and may encourage those who
> do well, but may have no more common sense than a can of paint, to
> think too highly of themselves.
Ya think?
> I wonder if Michelangelo would have even had the patience to take such
> a test - and how would he have done if he had - and who would have the
> balls to test him.
>
> I suspect that Shakespeare would have been marked down in several
> areas, and if the scores had been reported back to him - I wonder if
> it would have thrown him off his game - nah - but it might have done,
> to a slightly lesser soul.
We tend to achieve what we are led to believe we can achieve. If we don't
listen to our detractors then 'learned helplessness' is not a factor. I
think Tom Plamann is a good example, he appears to only accept defeat when,
hmm, well, I dunno - perhaps Tom simply doesn't accept defeat. I suspect a
Spartan approach is used "don't tell me the number of the enemy, just the
location".
>
> Who would have been qualified to measure the potential of Einstein, or
> Mozart, or Jefferson?
Is this a comment on the school system? (leading question)
>
> For my money - there are many different kinds of intelligence - and
> not all of them can be measured. Hell, not all of them can even be
> named.
Thank goodness for variety, we'd be pretty bland if we were the same. 'viva
la difference'
> When Psychology sought to break away from Philosophy, it did so on the
> argument of quantifiability - it was, it said, a Science - because it
> could measure and predict.
>
> I'm not so sure.
>
> I think it was because its practitioners simply couldn't hack it in
> the Agora.
Lol, a number of professions have followed that ignominious road.
thought provoking post Tom,
thanks,
Greg
Greg Millen writes:
>suspect a
>Spartan approach is used "don't tell me the number of the enemy, just the
>location".
What was it Chesty Puller said, "They've got us surrounded? Good. That means
we've got targets in every direction."
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Larry C in Auburn, WA wrote...
> 158. If you do well on this test or enjoy tests like this, you should try
> the Mensa test.
Larry, did you score 158 on the tickle "Classic IQ" test? If so, would
you kindly compare your answers with mine at:
http://www.paragoncode.com/temp/1.htm
Yesterday, I "bragged" that I had correctly answered all the questions
when I took this test last year, at the behest of my son. However, I
scored 144, at the time, I believe. When I ran through the test again
yesterday, I scored only 142 (owing to a brain cramp on question 20 --
thanks to Doug Miller for a wake-up call on that one).
The reason I thought I had gotten a perfect score, was that when I first
took the test, I scored a few points higher than my son had, so he went
over my results, comparing them to his. When he changed his answers (one
by one) to match mine, the score increased with each change until it
finally matched my score. Then he went through the test, changing the
answer for each question one at a time, and noting that each time, the
score dropped by two points. When he finished, he explained to me what he
had done and informed me that I had correctly answered every single
question!
Honestly, I was surprised; I tend to make mistakes, even when I know what
I'm doing. And it appears now that I have done just that (again!) since
obviously, 144 is not the highest possible score on the test!
When I realized that I had made at least one mistake yesterday afternoon,
a new possibility occurred to me. I wondered if perhaps some wrong
answers had a higher value than others. If this is the case, then
my son Tyler's check, which I doubt was exhaustive, could have missed
some answers that were better than mine. If the max score is greater than
144, it seems that this indeed must the case.
If you have the time and inclination, please let me know which of your
answers differ from mine. It would put my curiosity to rest.
Thanks!
Jim
"BIG JOE" wrote in message ...
> I don't believe these internet test sites are reliable. I have scored
> as high as 165, which I know is not true.
At 60, I knew I've lost a step or two but didnt' think it was all that much.
I actually thought I answered all but one question correctly (the one with
all the colors, but then again, it may not have had anything to do with with
the colors). Hmmmm ... I'd better behave from here on out as it appears I am
no longer the smartass I once thought I was.
My guess, from the questions, is that this one can't be too very far off
being in the ball park. My Army GCT (147) in '67, with easier questions as I
recall, but longer and timed, resulted in an invitation (declined).to a
Mensa chapter when I was in Germany. IIRC, the cutoff for that invite back
then was a 136 GCT.
I've heard that the Army testing procedure is no longer the same ... not
surprsing to hear that in this day and age..
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[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>Everything changes. Shortly after I arrived at Parris Island, we were
>administered the Army GCT (why not the Navy, I have no idea). We had gotten in
>about 2 a.m. that morning at the receiving depot at Yemassee (sp?), spent 2-1/2
>hours on racks, with mattresses we were forbidden to unroll, and at 8 a.m., we
>were taking the GCT. After that, things got hectic. My score was 137, and
>caused me a lot of trouble in boot camp---Self, you're so f++++ing smart, why
>don't you do things right?--being among the most pleasant questions.
>
Hey, you have a great understress GCT score. Having a functioning
mind under stress might be something that the Marine Corps would like
to know.
Mine 136 GCT, San Diego 1975, similar drill.
Wes
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"Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Isn't that about the time they should assign you to Sniper/Recon instead of
>handing you that 'Mattel-O-Matic' ?
Mo Grunt stuff for me. I was a radar tech (mos 6657), only gun I held
regularly was a soldering gun.
>
> 'They' feed you all you want to hear, then there is that last line in the
>'contract' . . ."The needs of the Service come first".
That was a point that my recruiter prepared me for. He said, "Don't
let them shove you into something you didn't sign up for". I had a
enlistment options contract which the code of it I have long ago
forgot. Aviation electronics option program asaptcha2 or something
like that.
I get into a line at millington (NAS Memphis) and some Gunny tells me
that I am getting the next best thing ADJ school. I ask him, what is
ADJ school and he says, jet mechanic. I told him, no problem, let me
out. I have a contract. He says, there isn't an opening. I tell him
no problem, let me out. Then he tells me that I didn't have test data
for inclusion in the aviation electronic's program. I said, fine,
give me the test. (This may have been a point where I could have
fcuked up if he had cheated). I took the test again and he said, wow,
you only missed one question. I told him, "I got better, missed two
the first time."
You got to stand your ground.
>
>Regards,
>Ron Magen
>Backyard Boatshop
>{of course I still consider it a highlight of my life, and it got me the
>house I now own, helped with college, and that led me to my bride of 31
>years}
I don't regret the four years I served in the Marines either. A bit
of GI bill education which was so much better a deal than the current
one. I don't know what they call the current plan Veap , cheap,
creep?
The GI Bill with the educational bennies was one of the greatest
programs that this country ever had. As a conservative, I am not all
that hot on 'programs' but this one really paid off for our country.
Wes
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Swingman writes:
>> I don't believe these internet test sites are reliable. I have scored
>> as high as 165, which I know is not true.
>
>At 60, I knew I've lost a step or two but didnt' think it was all that much.
>I actually thought I answered all but one question correctly (the one with
>all the colors, but then again, it may not have had anything to do with with
>the colors). Hmmmm ... I'd better behave from here on out as it appears I am
>no longer the smartass I once thought I was.
>
>My guess, from the questions, is that this one can't be too very far off
>being in the ball park. My Army GCT (147) in '67, with easier questions as I
>recall, but longer and timed, resulted in an invitation (declined).to a
>Mensa chapter when I was in Germany. IIRC, the cutoff for that invite back
>then was a 136 GCT.
>
>I've heard that the Army testing procedure is no longer the same ... not
>surprsing to hear that in this day and age..
Everything changes. Shortly after I arrived at Parris Island, we were
administered the Army GCT (why not the Navy, I have no idea). We had gotten in
about 2 a.m. that morning at the receiving depot at Yemassee (sp?), spent 2-1/2
hours on racks, with mattresses we were forbidden to unroll, and at 8 a.m., we
were taking the GCT. After that, things got hectic. My score was 137, and
caused me a lot of trouble in boot camp---Self, you're so f++++ing smart, why
don't you do things right?--being among the most pleasant questions.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Yep, a recruiter could probably make a lawyer call him crooked.
I enlisted two days ahead of my draft notice. Time to get the assignment I
was promised arrived, and they asked who had received above a certain score
on test "A," to check the corresponding block. Done. Above a second score
on "B," check the corresponding block. Those with both blocks checked were
then excused to the patio for the duration, though my choice was on the
screen, with 15 openings available.
As to cheating on tests, had one guy at the induction station who got a 16%
on that "which is a tool" multiple choice test. That is, he got it the
FIRST time he took it....
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> That was a point that my recruiter prepared me for. He said, "Don't
> let them shove you into something you didn't sign up for". I had a
> enlistment options contract which the code of it I have long ago
> forgot. Aviation electronics option program asaptcha2 or something
> like that.
>
> I get into a line at millington (NAS Memphis) and some Gunny tells me
> that I am getting the next best thing ADJ school. I ask him, what is
> ADJ school and he says, jet mechanic. I told him, no problem, let me
> out. I have a contract. He says, there isn't an opening. I tell him
> no problem, let me out. Then he tells me that I didn't have test data
> for inclusion in the aviation electronic's program. I said, fine,
> give me the test. (This may have been a point where I could have
> fcuked up if he had cheated). I took the test again and he said, wow,
> you only missed one question. I told him, "I got better, missed two
> the first time."
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> Everything changes. Shortly after I arrived at Parris Island, we were
> administered the Army GCT (why not the Navy, I have no idea). We had
gotten in
> about 2 a.m. that morning at the receiving depot at Yemassee (sp?), spent
2-1/2
> hours on racks, with mattresses we were forbidden to unroll, and at 8
a.m., we
> were taking the GCT. After that, things got hectic. My score was 137, and
> caused me a lot of trouble in boot camp---Self, you're so f++++ing smart,
why
> don't you do things right?--being among the most pleasant questions.
Don't feel bad, the Army didn't show much respect for draftee brains either
... except briefly to put the squeeze on you to apply for OCS. Then once you
did, and their quota's were filled, you were an even bigger "shithead" for
the duration.
Actually, and IIRC, an AGCT of 137 back then put you well into the top 2% of
the population at the time. That ain't shabby for a Marine. <gd&r>
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Swingman writes:
>Actually, and IIRC, an AGCT of 137 back then put you well into the top 2% of
>the population at the time. That ain't shabby for a Marine. <gd&r>
Some said that enlisting in the Marines was a contradiction of the score. But I
got lucky and spent 4 mostly boring years. Great repartee, such as, "Self, get
a f+++ing haircut," was a part of my normal week.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
being a military brat, much of my childhood was spent
hearing, "Get a haircut!". I never thought I needed a
haircut as I sat each time in the barber's chair. I'd tell
them to take "just a little off". Sometimes they'd take me
at my word, and then my dad would read me the riot act when
he next saw me. sigh...it's a wonder I didn't turn in to a
long-haired hippy freak after leaving home. But I did let
my hair grow long enough after my 4 years in the service to
nearly cover my ears, ala 70's style. :)
dave
Charlie Self wrote:
> Swingman writes:
>
>
>>Actually, and IIRC, an AGCT of 137 back then put you well into the top 2% of
>>the population at the time. That ain't shabby for a Marine. <gd&r>
>
>
> Some said that enlisting in the Marines was a contradiction of the score. But I
> got lucky and spent 4 mostly boring years. Great repartee, such as, "Self, get
> a f+++ing haircut," was a part of my normal week.
>
> Charlie Self
> "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
> exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
>
>
>
Isn't that about the time they should assign you to Sniper/Recon instead of
handing you that 'Mattel-O-Matic' ?
'They' feed you all you want to hear, then there is that last line in the
'contract' . . ."The needs of the Service come first".
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{of course I still consider it a highlight of my life, and it got me the
house I now own, helped with college, and that led me to my bride of 31
years}
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>
> >Everything changes. Shortly after I arrived at Parris Island, we were
> >administered the Army GCT (why not the Navy, I have no idea).
SNIP
SNIP
> Hey, you have a great understress GCT score. Having a functioning
> mind under stress might be something that the Marine Corps would like
> to know.
>
> Mine 136 GCT, San Diego 1975, similar drill.
>
> Wes
> USMC 75-79 MOS 6657
Wes,
Know the feeling . . . 'Airborne Electronic Navigational Aide Equipment
Technician. Ditto on the soldering gun.
I scored just about perfect in all four 'Classification Categories . . .
could have any choice I wanted. At the time I was thinking 'Career' and
wanted 'Missile Electronics'. {in retrospect, maybe not the best choice}.
Because of my bad eye {Vision - NOT color blindness}- no dice . . . got
Airborne Nav-Aids instead . . . 38 weeks of Tech School in Biloxi, MS
I owned one before I enlisted. When they were giving the first day of
'instruction' they said to 'field strip the piece'. About 45 seconds later I
had it in pieces. The Instructor flipped !! He said, he meant the two
parts - stock and action. 'Oh, you mean this' and as I said it I put it back
together. Talk about pissed . . . and there was nothing he could do. The
next day was 'wet' fire. We 'sighted in'. I had a nice, tight group . . .
just below the bull. I asked to bring it up 4 clicks . . . told NO. I asked
to look through the spotting scope . . . again told NO. Because of that,
instead of my usual '6 O'clock hold' I had to 'hold center' and bury the
front sight in the black bull. Not the tight group I would have liked, but
they were all in there and I qualified 'Expert'.
Almost the same thing a year later, in the Philippines with the M-16. Only
this time I kept my mouth shut, and we shot at a silhouette. No 'bull', just
get all 60 hits. "Not bad for a one-eyed fat man".
.
As far as the 'GI Bill'. I can still hear my dad and his buddies when I came
back. While it paid me 'X' dollars a month for the 9 months a year I was in
school, they thought it was the same as when they 'got out'. Tuition, books,
and a 'living allowance'. Anyhow, it took the GI Bill, working summers &
after school, plus a loan . . . but I got my degree. The first one in my
family. {So now I'm an 'Over' - Over-educated, Over-qualified, and
Over-fifty !!}
I haven't a clue as to,'now'. The last commercial I saw seemed to indicate a
'lump amount and 'matching funds to the individual's savings.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Isn't that about the time they should assign you to Sniper/Recon instead
of
> >handing you that 'Mattel-O-Matic' ?
>
> Mo Grunt stuff for me. I was a radar tech (mos 6657), only gun I held
> regularly was a soldering gun.
> >
SNIP
Ron Magen writes:
>As far as the 'GI Bill'. I can still hear my dad and his buddies when I came
>back. While it paid me 'X' dollars a month for the 9 months a year I was in
>school, they thought it was the same as when they 'got out'. Tuition, books,
>and a 'living allowance'. Anyhow, it took the GI Bill, working summers &
>after school, plus a loan . . . but I got my degree. The first one in my
>family. {So now I'm an 'Over' - Over-educated, Over-qualified, and
>Over-fifty !!}
My uncles were the same. Thought it was all covered. $125 a month (married,
$100 single) for 9 months. College was cheaper then--my SUNY at Albany tuition
was, IIRC, $200 a semester and Columbia was $40 a credit hour (considered very
expensive, at least by me, which is why I ended up in Albany). Worked summers,
worked afternoons and nights--the joys of loaded tires on trucks at midnight in
August.
>I haven't a clue as to,'now'. The last commercial I saw seemed to indicate a
>'lump amount and 'matching funds to the individual's savings.
I think I saw one that said $25,000 was possible. Sounds great. My grandson is
ready to attend UVa. I think 25K just might cover 2 years there. But maybe not,
too. So-called prestige colleges are said to be running $40,000 a year and up.
Yale, anyone?
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Charlie,
For what it's worth, I think the Bill was {maybe still is - for whatever
reason}focused on 'local' or 'land grant'{?}schools. Sort of what 'Glassboro
State Teachers College' would have been for me, an 'Atlantic City boy'. {Of
course it's now Rowan University - amazing what money and an ego can do,
isn't it}. Could have gone there, would have cost about 'a fishcake'. That
was my 'backup plan' - if I was to stupid to get in anywhere else, all I had
to do was be able to sign my name and I was 'in'.
{DON'T say 'No' . I remember all the 'big ego Seniors' when I was a
Freshman. Family with a TON of money, and they were one step above a 'pump
jockey' in smarts, yet going out to set the world on fire. 4 years later,
when I was a Senior, guess who 'showed up' on their first 'Student Teaching
Assignments' ? Just as stupid, only 4 years older and back in the same place
they started. ZERO 'real life' experience - they 'traveled' 30 miles up the
road.}
Remember, this is the same state that also had the prestigious schools of
Princeton and Rutgers. Both maybe an hour {or so} away. Princeton? - WAY out
of my league. Did get accepted to Rutgers, though - Engineering Program. Of
course the money would have only lasted about 6 months . . .
I met Another ex-USAF guy while I was in school. While not a 'State'
college, 'Philly Textile' {NOW - 'Pennsylvania University' - I think ??}was
'in' Pennsylvania so he was an 'in-state' student, plus he lived at home &
'commuted' about 10 miles to school. For him, no loans & everything was
covered.
Odd that you should mention Yale. While in school I dated a girl who lived
out on the 'Main Line'. Maybe I was her 'charity case', but you take what
you can get . . . She had a younger sister who was in a 'semi-private'
school. Maybe 4 years after our graduation, we had both married and all 4 of
us were friends, her sister was ready for college. New Haven - YALE - major
?? - 'Women's Studies' !! {actually, Tennis}Don't think she ever graduated,
never became the 'Champion' everyone anticipated {I think she started
teaching Tennis in the Phila area}, but never really had to 'work' a day in
her life.
Ah, the value of that 'Ivy League Education'.
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{who did get to eat in the Yale student cafeteria, before the Moose Head was
stolen}
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> My uncles were the same. Thought it was all covered. $125 a month
(married,
> $100 single) for 9 months. College was cheaper then--my SUNY at Albany
tuition
> was, IIRC, $200 a semester and Columbia was $40 a credit hour (considered
very
> expensive, at least by me, which is why I ended up in Albany). Worked
summers,
> worked afternoons and nights--the joys of loaded tires on trucks at
midnight in
> August.
>
>SNIP
> I think I saw one that said $25,000 was possible. Sounds great. My
grandson is
> ready to attend UVa. I think 25K just might cover 2 years there. But maybe
not,
> too. So-called prestige colleges are said to be running $40,000 a year and
up.
> Yale, anyone?
>
> Charlie Self
Ron Magen responds:
>For what it's worth, I think the Bill was {maybe still is - for whatever
>reason}focused on 'local' or 'land grant'{?}schools. Sort of what 'Glassboro
>State Teachers College' would have been for me, an 'Atlantic City boy'. {Of
>course it's now Rowan University - amazing what money and an ego can do,
Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE University
At Albany.
I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly NY
State Teachers College.
Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
There's a thriving business at the bookstore of Finlandia University in
initialed wear.
Ball State sold a much-sought-after "Ball U" shirt back when I was up in
South Bend.
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> There was also the 'North Idaho College of Education' (now Lewis-Clark
State
> College, Lewiston ID). My dad thought that cheerleaders there should
*really*
> have the acronym for the college across the front of their sweaters.
"Truth
> in advertising", as it were.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ron Magen responds:
>
>>For what it's worth, I think the Bill was {maybe still is - for whatever
>>reason}focused on 'local' or 'land grant'{?}schools. Sort of what 'Glassboro
>>State Teachers College' would have been for me, an 'Atlantic City boy'. {Of
>>course it's now Rowan University - amazing what money and an ego can do,
>
>Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE University
>At Albany.
>
>I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly NY
>State Teachers College.
>
>Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
There is an -actual- difference between a college and a university.
Having to do with the number of types of degree they offer.
A college offers _one_ type -- e.g. a 'B.A.' _or_ a 'B.S.'
undergraduate degrees and advanced degrees in the _same_ area count
as a single type. e.g. a BA, and an MA.
A university offers more than a single type of degree.
I believe that 'appropriate' naming of the institution is an actual
requirement of the accrediting authorities.
The 'breadth of learning' available at a university _is_ noticeably
wider than at a college.
Bob Bonomi states:
>>I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly NY
>>State Teachers College.
>>
>>Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
>
>There is an -actual- difference between a college and a university.
>
>Having to do with the number of types of degree they offer.
>
>A college offers _one_ type -- e.g. a 'B.A.' _or_ a 'B.S.'
> undergraduate degrees and advanced degrees in the _same_ area count
> as a single type. e.g. a BA, and an MA.
>A university offers more than a single type of degree.
>
>I believe that 'appropriate' naming of the institution is an actual
>requirement of the accrediting authorities.
>
>The 'breadth of learning' available at a university _is_ noticeably
>wider than at a college.
I know, but...as I said, it was State University at Albany when I attended, AKA
Albany State. In other words, it's been a university since it was no longer a
teacher's college (1949, IRC). But it pretentiously became THE University, at
Albany, a few years ago, reminding me of why I generally try to stay well away
from higher education types. Of course, Parkersburg has THE attorney-at-law,
advertising constantly on TV. Hell, Albany State is only THE university because
Russell Sage and Union are located across the Mohawk in contiguous cities.
The above definition is why I asked if anyone had any comments on the Woodcraft
"University" in another post.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
>
> The 'breadth of learning' available at a university _is_ noticeably
> wider than at a college.
>
More accurately the breadth of learning available at a university is
"notably" wider than at a college. That is to say "worthy of note" whereas
"noticeably" would indicate that the fact is readily noticed.
'Notably', we resort to pure distraction to avoid testing the finish on our
latest projects. A solid strategy to avoid leaving a 'noticeable'
fingerprint for our efforts.
Deep
In article <[email protected]>, George <george@least> wrote:
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> There was also the 'North Idaho College of Education' (now Lewis-Clark
>State
>> College, Lewiston ID). My dad thought that cheerleaders there should
>*really*
>> have the acronym for the college across the front of their sweaters.
>"Truth
>> in advertising", as it were.
>>
>>
>There's a thriving business at the bookstore of Finlandia University in
>initialed wear.
>
>Ball State sold a much-sought-after "Ball U" shirt back when I was up in
>South Bend.
>
>
Around twenty years ago, At the University of Illinois, the women's
engineering fraternity (the Society of Women Engineers, SWE) had the
distinction of having one of the t-shirts they sold as a fund-raiser,
get *banned* by the university.
The graphic a bearskin-clad caveman hunkered down in the foreground,
chipping away at this 'round-shaped' stone, mounted on a horizontal stick
through the hole in the center of it. In the background there was a cave
entrance, standing near it is a curvacious cavewoman, clad in Wilma Flintstone
type bearskin. and a 'come hither' pose.
The caption below the artwork read:
Engineering. The world's _SECOND__-oldest profession.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:56:33 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
> Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE
> University At Albany.
>
> I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly
> NY State Teachers College.
>
> Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
Mine went from Bellingham Normal to WWCE/Western Washington College of
Education (while I was there) to WWSC/Western Washington State College to
WWU/Western Washington University.
--
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples
then you and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these
ideas,then each of us will have two ideas" George B. Shaw
Doug Winterburn writes:
>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:56:33 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE
>> University At Albany.
>>
>> I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly
>> NY State Teachers College.
>>
>> Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
>
>Mine went from Bellingham Normal to WWCE/Western Washington College of
>Education (while I was there) to WWSC/Western Washington State College to
>WWU/Western Washington University.
>
Yes. All sorts of marketing goes on. Speaking of which, what is happening with
Woodcraft University?
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Winterburn writes:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:56:33 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE
>>> University At Albany.
>>>
>>> I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly
>>> NY State Teachers College.
>>>
>>> Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
>>
>>Mine went from Bellingham Normal to WWCE/Western Washington College of
>>Education (while I was there) to WWSC/Western Washington State College to
>>WWU/Western Washington University.
>>
>
>Yes. All sorts of marketing goes on. Speaking of which, what is happening with
>Woodcraft University?
It's the *only* place where the 'reject' grade is P.H.D.
At least when the scrap box is overflowing. *snicker*
In article <[email protected]>,
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:56:33 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Good ol' Albany State as it was when I went there is now THE
>> University At Albany.
>>
>> I keep trying to find a sticker or decal that says Albany State. Formerly
>> NY State Teachers College.
>>
>> Sheest. Pretentious twaddle builds up daily.
>
>Mine went from Bellingham Normal to WWCE/Western Washington College of
>Education (while I was there) to WWSC/Western Washington State College to
>WWU/Western Washington University.
There was also the 'North Idaho College of Education' (now Lewis-Clark State
College, Lewiston ID). My dad thought that cheerleaders there should *really*
have the acronym for the college across the front of their sweaters. "Truth
in advertising", as it were.
Nope--I created a fictitious identity and they didn't accept it, so I'll
just never know. Previous tests have given an IQ range of 150-160.
Bob
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Greg
Millen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless
fun.
> >Please - don't take it too seriously.
> >
> >http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >===================
> >Congratulations, Greg!
> >Your IQ score is 135
>
> Congratulations, Doug!
> Your IQ score is 144
>
> Your Intellectual Type is Visionary Philosopher. This means you are highly
> intelligent and have a powerful mix of skills and insight that can be
applied
> in a variety of different ways. Like Plato, your exceptional math and
verbal
> skills make you very adept at explaining things to others - and at
> anticipating and predicting patterns.
>
> "Visionary Philosopher", eh? I kinda like that.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
> Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
> by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
> You must use your REAL email address to get a response.
>
>
I did that test a few months ago and got a 142.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
> Please - don't take it too seriously.
"Brian Siano" wrote in message
> I got this:
>
> "Congratulations, Brian!
> Your IQ score is 192
Apparently gaining in the dyslexia/presbyopia department as I get older, I
originally read that as:
> "Congratulations, Brain!
> Your IQ score is 192
... however, it works either way. ;)
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Larry Jaques wrote...
> >I'd also like to know the ones I got wrong but couldn't find any link to
> >let me know.
I got them all correct when I took that test a year ago or so. It doesn't
appear to have changed. If you have any particular questions that you
were unsure of, I'd be happy to help. I suppose I could go through it
again and list the answers, if anybody cares.
Cheers!
Jim
Nathan Allen wrote...
> A more interesting consideration than intelligence for wood workers ...
(G) I don't think the tickle "IQ test" is anything more than an amusing
diversion, though. Entertainment purposes only. I suspect the majority of
others who take it feel the same way.
> ..would be the prevalence of bad spellers and dyslexics. Woodworking
> doesn't require a lot of reading, and once you understand the principles
> of it, it doesn't require reading lots of directions.
Possibly it's just a reflection of (primarily American) culture as a
whole, with its long-diminishing emphasis on grammatical and spelling
rigor.
Cheers!
Jim
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>
> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>
> Greg
>
> ===================
> Congratulations, Greg!
> Your IQ score is 135
>
I did 127 and that was before my morning tea.
Ed
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Had the IQ test actually been created by bears, presumably, all of us
> non-bears would have failed.
>
> <watson-who is a great fan of infinite reductions of all sorts, mobius
> loops, questions such as, "who's watching the watchers?", (or,
> 'testing the testers'), and wreck political discussions.>
...and a pretty smart guy.
IQ is like blue eyes: they're both genetic gifts. And anyway it ain't what
you got, it's how you use it.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>
> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>
> Greg
>
> ===================
> Congratulations, Greg!
> Your IQ score is 135
>
> This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
> questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to
others.
>
> Your Intellectual Type is Facts Curator. This means you are highly
> intelligent and have picked up an impressive and unique collection of
facts
> and figures over the years. You've got a remarkable vocabulary and
> exceptional math skills - which puts you in the same class as brainiacs
like
> Bill Gates. And that's just some of what we know about you from your test
> results.
Congratulations, Karl!
Your IQ score is 133
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Visionary Philosopher. This means you are highly
intelligent and have a powerful mix of skills and insight that can be
applied in a variety of different ways. Like Plato, your exceptional math
and verbal skills make you very adept at explaining things to others and
at anticipating and predicting patterns. And that's just some of what we
know about you from your IQ results.
I am protesting the results based on color blindness! Besides, they never
told me which prom dress was right for me.
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:17:21 -0400, Nova wrote:
> Henry Schaffer pointed out that the formula I stated is used only for
> children. For adults, until 1960, the age 16 was used as the divisor.
> Now they just lump all us old fogies together and average us out to come
> up with the base of 100. It's called the "deviation IQ" or in my case the
> "deviant IQ". ;-)
Does this mean that the further away I get from being 16 years old, the
smarter I get? I know my brain has migrated somewhat further north.
-Doug
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
Well, the answer is yes, we are smarter than the average bear, just! (or
bearly :)
The figures: 135, 127, 142, 136, 127, 129, 131, 135, 138, 144, 133, 142,
135, 158, 133.
Average IQ of USA: 98
Starting IQ for an Astronomer: 120
Average from sample of 15 on the Wreck: 136.33
5% of population > 126
Avg Mensa ~ 146
Very roughly:
Gifted > 130 (one in one hundred)
Highly Gifted - 140ish to high 150s (one in one thousand)
Extremely Gifted - over 160 (one in one hundred thousand)
Profoundly Gifted - over 180 (one in one million)
National averages:
http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm
LOL.. My wife and son took the test some months back and scored in the high
130's.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" wrote in message
> > I did that test a few months ago and got a 142.
>
> You're gonna have to move, Leon ... this town ain't big enough for two
> geniuses!
>
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 19:57:47 -0400, Nova wrote:
> An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
> multiplied by 100.
Sooooo, the older we get, the more on we get. I knew there was a
reason...
-Doug
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In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Had the IQ test actually been created by bears, presumably, all of us
>non-bears would have failed.
after all, there wasn't a _single_ question about stealing picnic baskets
Groggy, I question these national averages. While the IQ test was
designed around an expected score of 100 and a standard deviation of
10, I have read lately that the national average has climbed almost a
full standard deviation, meaning that an IQ score of 130 is only two
standard deviations from the mean, or roughly 95% falls under that
score.
I don't believe these internet test sites are reliable. I have scored
as high as 165, which I know is not true.
Joe
> Well, the answer is yes, we are smarter than the average bear, just! (or
> bearly :)
>
> The figures: 135, 127, 142, 136, 127, 129, 131, 135, 138, 144, 133, 142,
> 135, 158, 133.
>
> Average IQ of USA: 98
> Starting IQ for an Astronomer: 120
>
> Average from sample of 15 on the Wreck: 136.33
>
> 5% of population > 126
> Avg Mensa ~ 146
>
> Very roughly:
> Gifted > 130 (one in one hundred)
> Highly Gifted - 140ish to high 150s (one in one thousand)
> Extremely Gifted - over 160 (one in one hundred thousand)
> Profoundly Gifted - over 180 (one in one million)
>
> National averages:
> http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg Millen wrote:
>
> > I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless
fun.
> > Please - don't take it too seriously.
> >
> > http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ===================
> > IQ Test relative to others.
>
> It might be interesting.
>
> Greg Millen = 135
> Jack Novak = 136
Congratulations, Norman!
Your IQ score is 127
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Word Warrior. This means you have exceptional
verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an
unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make
you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of new
and creative ideas. And that's just a small part of what we know about you
from your test results.
Now I know I'm hanging out with a bunch of "big brains"
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In article <[email protected]>,
brocpuffs <[email protected]> wrote:
>SO I tried it too.
>
>I couldn't get past the page asking for lots of personal info. I
>answered these questions, but didn't elect to get their newsletter
>
>Did others refuse the newsletter?
I didn't elect to get the newsletter, and I did get my results. Just
the IQ score and the "Visionary Philosopher" paragraph.
However when I filled in the personal info, I may not have been, err,
completely accurate.
> ...
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In article <[email protected]>,
Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>The only true information I gave was my DOB as it is necessary to get an
>accurate score since IQ is based on age.
IIRC, that's only for children. It isn't so for the adult tests.
>All the other information, including an email address was made up.
How could you every do such an evil thing? :-)
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In article <[email protected]>,
Bob Schmall <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>IQ is like blue eyes: they're both genetic gifts.
It appears that "IQ" (performance on a properly administered and
properly standardized IQ test) varies from person to person with both
genetic and environmental (e.g. family life, schooling, experiences ...)
playing significant roles. There is data which seems to say that the
genetic component has a somewhat greater role than environment (over
everyone in the USA.) (I can give references for more reading if you
wish.)
>And anyway it ain't what you got, it's how you use it.
Even though I consider this a good, inspirational statement, it's
certainly both.
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I got this:
"Congratulations, Brian!
Your IQ score is 192
Your Intellectual Type is Philosopher-King. This means you are highly
intelligent, so much so that you avoid physical labor and exert your
intelligence to coerce or mislead others into doing it for you. If you
are not a Captain of Industry, you should be in a fairer world, and if
only nations would obey your commands a Utopia would be a possiblility
instead of an unreachable dream. Godlike in your sagacity, and humble in
your humility, you cannot but feel as though tests such as these are the
only validatoion of your innate and yet obvious superiority to nearly
all other human beings. Your taking our survey honors us, and your
presence upon this Earth during our lifetimes gives our existence
meaning. Our daughters are yours for the asking."
Kinda needed that to brighten my day.
Swingman wrote:
> Folks like Stephen Gould and his book, "The Mismeasure of Man" (a good read,
> along with the Bell Curve, for anyone interested in the subject) insist that
> continuing attempts to quantify human intelligence/cognitive ability the
> past hundred years or so have resulted in marginally defining the opposing
> ends of the spectrum, but have not been of much more benefit than
> craniometry a couple of centuries back.
>
> I am not so sure that I buy that. If for no other reason than measurement
> and classifying are basic techniques of science which have inarguably made
> scientific progress possible.
Actually, a really good overview is _The IQ Controversy_, a collection
of essays edited by Block and Dworkin in the mid-1970's. Gould's book is
a decent history, and Tucker's _The Science and Politics of Racial
Research_ is an even better history.
_The Bell Curve_ should not be read in isolation: I'd strongly recommend
reading _Intelligence, Genes and Success_ (ed. Devlin) and Fischer's
_Inequality by Design_ alongside. The former re-evaluates the data and
analysis of Murray and Herrnstein, the latter examines their political
analyses.
One of the main criticisms of IQ claims-- not the only one-- is that
what is being _measured_ isn't well defined. By and large, the skills
measured on IQ tests tend to be clerical in nature. The same questions,
presented in different ways can get wildly varying results. And the
results are also strongly influenced by social factors-- ever try to do
long division with Roman numerals?
What's termed Spearman's g is, basically, a correlation of factors which
are measured in IQ tests. It's not an _average_, actually, but it's sort
of a general measure derived from others. But one can't really call it a
"trait." It'd as though one measured an athlete's skills at a) skiing,
b) javelin-throwing, c) archery, and d) weightlifting, and combined them
all into a single number called "Athletic ability." It's a number, sure,
and one might get some insights using it. But it's not so much a trait
as it is a statistical convenience.
"BIG JOE" wrote in message ...
> Groggy, I question these national averages.
Yeah, me too. In my original post I said not to take it to seriously, I take
it as a bit of fun, and that is all.
> While the IQ test was
> designed around an expected score of 100 and a standard deviation of
> 10, I have read lately that the national average has climbed almost a
> full standard deviation, meaning that an IQ score of 130 is only two
> standard deviations from the mean, or roughly 95% falls under that
> score.
Clearly a result of the aging population as SAT scores don't reflect it. Age
comparison tests would show a normal view.
>
> I don't believe these internet test sites are reliable. I have scored
> as high as 165, which I know is not true.
I don't take any of them seriously, along with palm readings and astrology.
I think anyone who has done a number of these tests over the years has had a
variety of results.
>
> Joe
Had the IQ test actually been created by bears, presumably, all of us
non-bears would have failed.
<watson-who is a great fan of infinite reductions of all sorts, mobius
loops, questions such as, "who's watching the watchers?", (or,
'testing the testers'), and wreck political discussions.>
Regards,
Tom.
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tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
In article <[email protected]>, "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
>Please - don't take it too seriously.
>
>http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>
>Greg
>
>===================
>Congratulations, Greg!
>Your IQ score is 135
Congratulations, Doug!
Your IQ score is 144
Your Intellectual Type is Visionary Philosopher. This means you are highly
intelligent and have a powerful mix of skills and insight that can be applied
in a variety of different ways. Like Plato, your exceptional math and verbal
skills make you very adept at explaining things to others and at
anticipating and predicting patterns.
"Visionary Philosopher", eh? I kinda like that.
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"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>
> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>
> Greg
>
> ===================
> Congratulations, Greg!
> Your IQ score is 135
>
> This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many
> questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to
others.
>
> Your Intellectual Type is Facts Curator. This means you are highly
> intelligent and have picked up an impressive and unique collection of
facts
> and figures over the years. You've got a remarkable vocabulary and
> exceptional math skills - which puts you in the same class as brainiacs
like
> Bill Gates. And that's just some of what we know about you from your test
> results.
>
>
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:29:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Henry E
Schaffer) wrote:
| However when I filled in the personal info, I may not have been, err,
|completely accurate.
Ya think? I can tell you that if you're 3 years old you can't take
the test.
Regards,
John Smith
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:05:11 -0400, Nova <[email protected]>
stated, with eyes & arms akimbo:
>Greg Millen wrote:
>
>> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
>> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>>
>> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> ===================
>> IQ Test relative to others.
>
>It might be interesting.
>
>Greg Millen = 135
>Jack Novak = 136
Larry Jaques = 136
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A more interesting consideration than intelligence for wood workers
would be the prevalence of bad spellers and dyslexics. Woodworking
doesn't require a lot of reading, and once you understand the principles
of it, it doesn't require reading lots of directions.
As for intelligence tests, I usually do very well on them (160+), but I
do not believe in them. I do believe that I have a PhD to my name
though, and I'm told that means something. (I argue it is like a
driver's license, it means more to you if you don't have one!)
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >> >Greg Millen = 135
> >> >Jack Novak = 136
> >> Larry Jaques = 136
> >> Greetings, fellow Group W benchers!
> >
> >Owen Lowe = 138 / Visionary Philosopher
>
> Boy, howdy!
>
>
> >NANNYNANNYBOOBOO!!
>
> Huh?!?
Thanks for so clearly illustrating my point there SeaLess.
<sNiP>
> >Back in high skool my score was 133, so maybe getting old does have
> >merits.
>
> 125 here.
It must certainly be due to the time we've wasted, er, spent, here on
the reque.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >It might be interesting.
> >
> >Greg Millen = 135
> >Jack Novak = 136
> Larry Jaques = 136
> Greetings, fellow Group W benchers!
Owen Lowe = 138 / Visionary Philosopher
NANNYNANNYBOOBOO!!
Interesting how it appears more of us were deemed VPs than WWs, VMs or
FCs...
Back in high skool my score was 133, so maybe getting old does have
merits.
I'd also like to know the ones I got wrong but couldn't find any link to
let me know.
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"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Henry E Schaffer wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > ...
> > >The only true information I gave was my DOB as it is necessary to get
an
> > >accurate score since IQ is based on age.
> >
> > IIRC, that's only for children. It isn't so for the adult tests.
>
> An IQ score is one's "mental age" divided by one's actual age and then
> multiplied by 100.
so if you manage to live long enough your iq approaches 0 no matter how
smart you are <g>
randy
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 07:47:38 GMT, "Greg Millen" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
>Please - don't take it too seriously.
I've always done well on tests like the Stanford-Binet, SAT, LSAT,
AFQT and the like - but they always bothered me.
I was always concerned with what the testers thought that they were
testing.
In particular, I have great reservations about those tests that
purport to measure general intelligence. I used to know a guy who
helped cobble up some of these tests for the boys in Princeton, where
this sort of thing is a real cash cow - and that guy never impressed
me as being real smart, himself.
It seems like they are an exercise in trying to find out 'how much
like us you are' and I worry about how much like them any of us should
want to be.
Too, the reporting of the scores can have an adverse affect on those
who don't do well at this kind of thing, and may encourage those who
do well, but may have no more common sense than a can of paint, to
think too highly of themselves.
I wonder if Michelangelo would have even had the patience to take such
a test - and how would he have done if he had - and who would have the
balls to test him.
I suspect that Shakespeare would have been marked down in several
areas, and if the scores had been reported back to him - I wonder if
it would have thrown him off his game - nah - but it might have done,
to a slightly lesser soul.
Who would have been qualified to measure the potential of Einstein, or
Mozart, or Jefferson?
For my money - there are many different kinds of intelligence - and
not all of them can be measured. Hell, not all of them can even be
named.
When Psychology sought to break away from Philosophy, it did so on the
argument of quantifiability - it was, it said, a Science - because it
could measure and predict.
I'm not so sure.
I think it was because its practitioners simply couldn't hack it in
the Agora.
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:18:11 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>It must certainly be due to the time we've wasted, er, spent, here on
>the reque.
Yes, indubitably.
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:43:25 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
>> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>>
>> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> ===================
>> Congratulations, Greg!
>> Your IQ score is 135
>>
>
>I did 127 and that was before my morning tea.
>Ed
>
142 Visionary Philosopher. Yeah, me and Plato. Must mean I'm a pretty good guesser.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:46:03 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<[email protected]> stated, with eyes & arms akimbo:
>131 / "Word Warrier"
I forgot the "Visual Mathematician" part after 135.
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Norman D. Crow wrote:
> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Greg Millen wrote:
>>
>>> I saw this on another forum and thought it would be a bit of harmless fun.
>>> Please - don't take it too seriously.
>>>
>>> http://web.tickle.com/tests/uiq/
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> ===================
>>> IQ Test relative to others.
>>
>> It might be interesting.
>>
>> Greg Millen = 135
>> Jack Novak = 136
>
> Congratulations, Norman!
> Your IQ score is 127
131 / "Word Warrier"
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"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Your Intellectual Type is Word Warrior. This means you have exceptional
> verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an
> unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make
> you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of
new
> and creative ideas. And that's just a small part of what we know about you
> from your test results.
My score was 129 with exactly the same response as the paragraph above. I
wonder what response it might give if someone intentionally entered most of
the wrong answers.