On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:10:10 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>>
>>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>>
>>
>> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
>That looks so fake.
>I find it hard to believe that it happened.
>I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
>going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
>
>I think it's fake..
I've seen like crashes, even with NASCAR cars. Performance cars are
designed to create a vacuum underneath. All you have to do is get a
little air underneath and they fly like a kite.
On 03/23/2015 07:10 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> "Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in news:menj16$44l$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
>> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
>
> Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
> it to always be a turn to the left.
>
> John
>
My old '66 442 would try to turn left and the left side would lift when
I got on it.
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Last time I was at a drag race (decades ago) the AA fuel dragsters
> > would lift the front end just from the torque at the start. They just
> > keep getting faster.
>
> Yeah, you don't see that so much now because all the fuel
> cars have wheelie bars. If the front wheels come up more
> than a tad, the wheelie bar hits and unloads the rear tires,
> and then you get a big cloud of smoke instead of a wheelstand.
>
Someone should tell this *electric* drag team about those wheelie bars.
Watch it from the start or FF to 1:00 minute for the real fun.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TUDX5MmulF0
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 9:10 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> > On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
> >> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
> >>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
> >>>
> >>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
> > That looks so fake.
> > I find it hard to believe that it happened.
> > I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
> > going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
> >
> > I think it's fake..
> >
> >
> Well these cars tend to lift their front ends anyway, think wheelie, the
> flat bottom of the vehicle catches air and that is that.
> But there does seem to be little damage to the retainer fence.
Damage to the fence can be seen in this video. If they faked it, then they faked it from 2 different angles. I'm thinking it's real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1NWibhly_0Q
Here's a still from the other end of the track:
http://tinyurl.com/lexus-drag-crash
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10354560_389031384609685_872449100_n.jpg
Do a Google image search for "lexus is drag crash" (no quotes) for more.
On 3/21/2015 8:59 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> Jerry Osage wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I agree. Do a stop motion at 15 seconds and full screen - there are
>> no tires on the right side. Especially apparent on the right rear as
>> the auto rotates. Also, that amount of mass doesn't "float" like the
>> image does for a second. As you stated, not enough speed.
>
> No, I beleive it's real. I went and googled the team name;
> the car is actually pretty much TA/FC class (i.e. it's not any
> sort of stock car). It's at about half track when it lifts,
> judging by the timing lights on the centerline; probably
> about 180 to 200 mph, which is plenty fast enough to lift.
> Being a funny car it also is very light, so the floating
> is typical behavior...really the only surprise is that the
> body didn't come off the frame.
>
> John
>
Last time I was at a drag race (decades ago) the AA fuel dragsters would
lift the front end just from the torque at the start. They just keep
getting faster.
If you've never been a drag race fan, you'd have no idea of the speeds
achieved and how fast you get to them.
Top Fuel Dragster (TF/D). The rail dragsters, or "diggers", are the
fastest class. Among the fastest-accelerating machines in the world,
these cars can cover the dragstrip in less than 3.8 seconds and record
trap speeds over 325 mph. Top Fuel cars are 25 feet long and weigh 2,320
pounds in race-ready trim. Methanol fuel mixed with up to 90%
nitromethane is used.
Typical Funny Cars
Top Fuel Funny Car (TF/FC) Similar to their Top Fuel counterparts but
with a shorter wheelbase and a carbon-fiber body that loosely resembles
a production-based automobile, Funny Cars, or floppers, routinely run
in the 4.0s and can exceed 315 mph.
On 3/21/2015 5:11 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 9:10 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
>>> That looks so fake.
>>> I find it hard to believe that it happened.
>>> I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
>>> going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
>>>
>>> I think it's fake..
>>>
>>>
>> Well these cars tend to lift their front ends anyway, think wheelie, the
>> flat bottom of the vehicle catches air and that is that.
>> But there does seem to be little damage to the retainer fence.
>
> Damage to the fence can be seen in this video. If they faked it, then they faked it from 2 different angles. I'm thinking it's real.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1NWibhly_0Q
>
> Here's a still from the other end of the track:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lexus-drag-crash
>
> http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10354560_389031384609685_872449100_n.jpg
>
> Do a Google image search for "lexus is drag crash" (no quotes) for more.
>
ok, I'll recind, he is farther down the road then I thought, the damage
to the fence looks real, the severe left trajectory in the air is still
questionable, but that can be an airfoil effect.
I'm in on real now.
--
Jeff
Jerry Osage wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I agree. Do a stop motion at 15 seconds and full screen - there are
> no tires on the right side. Especially apparent on the right rear as
> the auto rotates. Also, that amount of mass doesn't "float" like the
> image does for a second. As you stated, not enough speed.
No, I beleive it's real. I went and googled the team name;
the car is actually pretty much TA/FC class (i.e. it's not any
sort of stock car). It's at about half track when it lifts,
judging by the timing lights on the centerline; probably
about 180 to 200 mph, which is plenty fast enough to lift.
Being a funny car it also is very light, so the floating
is typical behavior...really the only surprise is that the
body didn't come off the frame.
John
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Last time I was at a drag race (decades ago) the AA fuel dragsters
> would lift the front end just from the torque at the start. They just
> keep getting faster.
Yeah, you don't see that so much now because all the fuel
cars have wheelie bars. If the front wheels come up more
than a tad, the wheelie bar hits and unloads the rear tires,
and then you get a big cloud of smoke instead of a wheelstand.
> Typical Funny Cars
> Top Fuel Funny Car (TF/FC) Similar to their Top Fuel counterparts but
> with a shorter wheelbase and a carbon-fiber body that loosely
> resembles a production-based automobile, Funny Cars, or floppers,
> routinely run in the 4.0s and can exceed 315 mph.
TA/FC, like the Lexus in the video, run low sixes at
around 270 in the NHRA. I doubt the Lexus would quite
do that, since the team didn't look like they really had
a handle on what they were doing. Still pretty fast.
John
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> ok, I'll recind, he is farther down the road then I thought, the
> damage to the fence looks real, the severe left trajectory in the air
> is still questionable, but that can be an airfoil effect.
This is getting way off on a tangent, but going to the left
like that is common when cars fly. If you can find video
of the Mercedes at Le Mans a few years back, they did the
same thing. I suspect it's a gyroscopic effect due to the
rotation of the internals of the engine.
John
"Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in news:men8ei$nc1$1@dont-
email.me:
>
> "John McCoy" <
>> wrote in message
>> woodchucker <
>> wrote in
>> >
>>> ok, I'll recind, he is farther down the road
>>> then I thought, the
>>> damage to the fence looks real, the severe left
>>> trajectory in the air
>>> is still questionable, but that can be an
>>> airfoil effect.
>>
>> This is getting way off on a tangent, but going
>> to the left
>> like that is common when cars fly. If you can
>> find video
>> of the Mercedes at Le Mans a few years back,
>> they did the
>> same thing. I suspect it's a gyroscopic effect
>> due to the
>> rotation of the internals of the engine.
>>
>> John
>
> More likely driveline torque. As the pinion
> gear drives the ring gear, one rear wheel
> gets an increase in load while the opposite
> wheel gets unloaded enough to act like this.
> The wheel more lightly loaded will have less
> friction than the other allowing slippage.
That would make sense if the wheels were on the ground.
However, the cases I'm thinking of (including this case
with the Lexus drag car) the car didn't start turning
until it was in the air, all four wheels off the
pavement.
That pretty much forces it to be either an aero effect
or a gyroscopic effect.
John
"Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in news:menj16$44l$1@dont-
email.me:
> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
it to always be a turn to the left.
John
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:5510637d$0$58050
[email protected]:
> My old '66 442 would try to turn left and the left side would lift when
> I got on it.
Yeah, that's the torque reaction Phil was talking about
several posts upthread.
John
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 1:04:20 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:10:10 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
> >> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
> >>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
> >>>
> >>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
> >That looks so fake.
> >I find it hard to believe that it happened.
> >I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
> >going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
> >
> >I think it's fake..
>
> I agree. Do a stop motion at 15 seconds and full screen - there are
> no tires on the right side. Especially apparent on the right rear as
> the auto rotates. Also, that amount of mass doesn't "float" like the
> image does for a second. As you stated, not enough speed.
>
> Jerry O.
Here's a video from another angle. Do a stop motion at 24-ish and then again at 48-ish. Right side tires are clearly visible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1NWibhly_0Q
If they faked it, they faked it from a couple of different angles and with a couple of different video qualities. They also backed up their fake video with fake followup news reports.
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=396846
I vote "real".
On 3/20/2015 9:10 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>>
>>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>>
>>
>> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
> That looks so fake.
> I find it hard to believe that it happened.
> I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
> going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
>
> I think it's fake..
>
>
Well these cars tend to lift their front ends anyway, think wheelie, the
flat bottom of the vehicle catches air and that is that.
But there does seem to be little damage to the retainer fence.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:10:10 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>>
>>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>>
>>
>> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
>That looks so fake.
>I find it hard to believe that it happened.
>I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
>going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
>
>I think it's fake..
I agree. Do a stop motion at 15 seconds and full screen - there are
no tires on the right side. Especially apparent on the right rear as
the auto rotates. Also, that amount of mass doesn't "float" like the
image does for a second. As you stated, not enough speed.
Jerry O.
On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:07:37 PM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > Could it be the extra weight of the driver, steering wheel and other
> > apparatus on that side of the car?
>
> Probably to some small extent, but likely not to any significant extent.
> You have to remember that these guys work very hard to balance the weight
> distribution and the friction applied to both wheels on the track. This is
> very important to their performance. Years ago we used to see Rails twist
> along their axis as they went down the track, and even (to a lesser degree)
> funny cars. Today - we don't see as much of that. Even with the tremendous
> torque these guys develop, we don't see that same degree of twist.
> Even
> distribution of weight and force is very important to these guys.
>
Just like it is to us in serious Soap Box Derby racing. We didn't have to deal with engine torque, but the torque on any given bolt or screw could introduce the dreaded cross-bind and slow the car down.
On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:13:19 PM UTC-4, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in news:menj16$44l$1@dont-
> >email.me:
> >
> >> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
> >> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
> >
> >Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
> >it to always be a turn to the left.
>
> John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
> a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
> twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
> crash.
Especially since it will be shaped differently after each crash. ;-)
On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
> >>it to always be a turn to the left.
> >
> > John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
> > a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
> > twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
> > crash.
>
> Except that, as I noted many posts back, when race cars
> fly they almost always turn to the left. If it was
> random, as you suggest, it should be close to 50-50
> either side.
>
> John
Could it be the extra weight of the driver, steering wheel and other apparatus on that side of the car?
When we used to race Soap Box Derby cars (where the driver is centered in the car) we weren't just concerned with front-to-rear weight distribution, we also worked hard to balance the car side-to-side and eliminate cross-bind.
A 255 lb car that weighs in with 60 lbs on each front wheel and 67.5 on each rear wheel is OK. One that weighs in at 62L-58R in the front and 65.5L-69.5R in the rear is balanced side-to-side, but it's seriously twisted (AKA cross-bind). That's never good.
I don't know if drag car or track car teams get involved with side-to-side weight distribution or cross-bind. Do they? (I think they must.)
Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>>it to always be a turn to the left.
>
> John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
> a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
> twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
> crash.
Except that, as I noted many posts back, when race cars
fly they almost always turn to the left. If it was
random, as you suggest, it should be close to 50-50
either side.
John
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
>> Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>> >>it to always be a turn to the left.
>> >
>> > John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand
>> > about a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same
>> > shape twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the
>> > same crash.
>>
>> Except that, as I noted many posts back, when race cars
>> fly they almost always turn to the left. If it was
>> random, as you suggest, it should be close to 50-50
>> either side.
>>
>> John
>
> Could it be the extra weight of the driver, steering wheel and other
> apparatus on that side of the car?
Well, that's a good point.
> I don't know if drag car or track car teams get involved with
> side-to-side weight distribution or cross-bind. Do they? (I think they
> must.)
I think drag cars are probably set up balanced right-left.
Oval track cars are setup with extra left side weight (*).
Road course cars, like the Le Mans cars are definately set
up with an even right-left weight.
(* on pavement, at least. Dirt cars are often set up heavy
on the right side).
John
Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:menj16$44l$1@dont- email.me:
>>
>>> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
>>> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
>>
>> Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>> it to always be a turn to the left.
>
> John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
> a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
> twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
> crash.
I have to disagree. The balloon goes balistic because there is no real
structure to its walls. It will react to the depressurization differently
every time. The car on the other hand is very rigid in its structure and
will react some to differing air flows but to a much lesser extent than a
balloon . There's just no comparing the reaction of a balloon to that of a
car.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Could it be the extra weight of the driver, steering wheel and other
> apparatus on that side of the car?
Probably to some small extent, but likely not to any significant extent.
You have to remember that these guys work very hard to balance the weight
distribution and the friction applied to both wheels on the track. This is
very important to their performance. Years ago we used to see Rails twist
along their axis as they went down the track, and even (to a lesser degree)
funny cars. Today - we don't see as much of that. Even with the tremendous
torque these guys develop, we don't see that same degree of twist. Even
distribution of weight and force is very important to these guys.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Ever notice in the old days, the right rear tire wore out first? Put
> the car in drive, put left foot on brake.
No, no, no! The left foot goes on the clutch! No wonder you couldn't shift
fast...
> Push gas pedal to the
> floor. Release brake when light turns green. We learned that cars
> went to the left back in high school when we first started to drive
> and street race.
Oh for the glory days... That's why it was so easy to beat you guys with
the automagic trannys back then...
>
> Traction control and ESC took the fun out of street racing.
Preach that thought brother!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Could it be the extra weight of the driver, steering wheel and other apparatus on that side of the car?
>
Ever notice in the old days, the right rear tire wore out first? Put
the car in drive, put left foot on brake. Push gas pedal to the floor.
Release brake when light turns green. We learned that cars went to the
left back in high school when we first started to drive and street race.
Non-car guys used to think the right rear was the drive wheel because
they knew nothing of torque and how it twists the car and the drive
train gets power.
Traction control and ESC took the fun out of street racing.
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in news:menj16$44l$1@dont-
>email.me:
>
>> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
>> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
>
>Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>it to always be a turn to the left.
John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
crash.
"John McCoy" <
> wrote in message
> woodchucker <
> wrote in
> >
>> ok, I'll recind, he is farther down the road
>> then I thought, the
>> damage to the fence looks real, the severe left
>> trajectory in the air
>> is still questionable, but that can be an
>> airfoil effect.
>
> This is getting way off on a tangent, but going
> to the left
> like that is common when cars fly. If you can
> find video
> of the Mercedes at Le Mans a few years back,
> they did the
> same thing. I suspect it's a gyroscopic effect
> due to the
> rotation of the internals of the engine.
>
> John
More likely driveline torque. As the pinion
gear drives the ring gear, one rear wheel
gets an increase in load while the opposite
wheel gets unloaded enough to act like this.
The wheel more lightly loaded will have less
friction than the other allowing slippage.
"John McCoy" <
> wrote in message
> "Phil Kangas" <
> wrote in
> email.me:
>
>>
>> "John McCoy" <
>>> wrote in message
>>> woodchucker <
>>> wrote in
>>> >
>>>> ok, I'll recind, he is farther down the road
>>>> then I thought, the
>>>> damage to the fence looks real, the severe
>>>> left
>>>> trajectory in the air
>>>> is still questionable, but that can be an
>>>> airfoil effect.
>>>
>>> This is getting way off on a tangent, but
>>> going
>>> to the left
>>> like that is common when cars fly. If you can
>>> find video
>>> of the Mercedes at Le Mans a few years back,
>>> they did the
>>> same thing. I suspect it's a gyroscopic
>>> effect
>>> due to the
>>> rotation of the internals of the engine.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> More likely driveline torque. As the pinion
>> gear drives the ring gear, one rear wheel
>> gets an increase in load while the opposite
>> wheel gets unloaded enough to act like this.
>> The wheel more lightly loaded will have less
>> friction than the other allowing slippage.
>
> That would make sense if the wheels were on the
> ground.
> However, the cases I'm thinking of (including
> this case
> with the Lexus drag car) the car didn't start
> turning
> until it was in the air, all four wheels off the
> pavement.
>
> That pretty much forces it to be either an aero
> effect
> or a gyroscopic effect.
>
> John
It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:27:10 -0500
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>
would guess that didn't turn out well for the driver and that
fence wasn't improving safety much
did the driver survive, that's a frightening crash
need to put an gyro in there and when we start toward vertical
shut off the gas
if it had wings it'd be called an STOL*
well at least STO
*short take off & landing
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:02:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>
>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>
>
>Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
So Cross the Lexus off the list or Drag racing in Bahrain?
On 3/20/2015 2:02 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>> Might want to cross this one off you list. ;)
>>
>> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/watch-lexus-f-air-drag-race-153040074.html
>
>
> Woops! That was suppose to be in an email.. Sorry
That looks so fake.
I find it hard to believe that it happened.
I would understand if it were further down the track, but I doubt it was
going fast enough to have enough lift underneath.
I think it's fake..
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Jeff
Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> But they should have
> invested in some wheel bars. The blow over was predicatable.
Yeah, I'm surprised their class rules didn't require them. Had
that been an NHRA-sanctioned track they would have been.
John
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:58:05 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Markem wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:menj16$44l$1@dont- email.me:
>>>
>>>> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
>>>> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
>>>
>>> Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>>> it to always be a turn to the left.
>>
>> John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand about
>> a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same shape
>> twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the same
>> crash.
>
>I have to disagree. The balloon goes balistic because there is no real
>structure to its walls. It will react to the depressurization differently
>every time. The car on the other hand is very rigid in its structure and
>will react some to differing air flows but to a much lesser extent than a
>balloon . There's just no comparing the reaction of a balloon to that of a
>car.
That would be when you squeeze da balloon. But they should have
invested in some wheel bars. The blow over was predicatable.
Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:58:05 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Markem wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Phil Kangas" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:menj16$44l$1@dont- email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> It's aero at that point. Try swinging a piece
>>>>> of cardboard into the wind.. ;>)}
>>>>
>>>> Could be. I'm a bit at a loss as to why aero would cause
>>>> it to always be a turn to the left.
>>>
>>> John take a half filled ballon with air, squeeze it in your hand
>>> about a half a dozen times. I will bet you will never get the same
>>> shape twice. Flip that car six times and you probably won't get the
>>> same crash.
>>
>> I have to disagree. The balloon goes balistic because there is no
>> real structure to its walls. It will react to the depressurization
>> differently every time. The car on the other hand is very rigid in
>> its structure and will react some to differing air flows but to a
>> much lesser extent than a balloon . There's just no comparing the
>> reaction of a balloon to that of a car.
>
> That would be when you squeeze da balloon. But they should have
> invested in some wheel bars. The blow over was predicatable.
Agreed that wheelie bars would have been helpful but that is a completely
different matter from the comment I replied to.
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-Mike-
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