jJ

02/09/2004 3:43 PM

How to get that very dark stain look?

I apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong forum, but I do not know
where else to turn.
I recently purchase a piece of furniture that I would like to stain. I
would really like for it to have a very dark brown appearance. Not
nearly black, but very dark deep brown. I purchased a dark mahogony
stain but when I applied it to a test area, it wasn't nearly dark
enough. Someone suggested that I apply the stain and not to wipe it.
That if I leave the stain on it will leave a much darker paint-like
effect. Is this an acceptable method of applying stain?

Here is an example photo of the color/look I'd like to achieve.

http://a1412.g.akamai.net/7/1412/8802/0001/image2.styleinamerica.com/weecimgs/images/products/200435/0003/img14l.jpg

I don't mind if it comes out slightly lighter. I'd just like to get
close to this look.

Thanks in advance and once again, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong
forum.


This topic has 12 replies

PA

"Preston Andreas"

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 2:17 AM

For a dark color with a more even grain color, I use dye. One that works
well for me is TransTint. Use it at full strength on a test piece and
dilute if it is too dark.

Check out http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/htdocs/TransTint.htm

Preston


"J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong forum, but I do not know
> where else to turn.
> I recently purchase a piece of furniture that I would like to stain. I
> would really like for it to have a very dark brown appearance. Not
> nearly black, but very dark deep brown. I purchased a dark mahogony
> stain but when I applied it to a test area, it wasn't nearly dark
> enough. Someone suggested that I apply the stain and not to wipe it.
> That if I leave the stain on it will leave a much darker paint-like
> effect. Is this an acceptable method of applying stain?
>
> Here is an example photo of the color/look I'd like to achieve.
>
>
http://a1412.g.akamai.net/7/1412/8802/0001/image2.styleinamerica.com/weecimgs/images/products/200435/0003/img14l.jpg
>
> I don't mind if it comes out slightly lighter. I'd just like to get
> close to this look.
>
> Thanks in advance and once again, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong
> forum.

tT

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

02/09/2004 11:57 PM

Joey wrote: snip-> when I applied it to a test area, it wasn't nearly dark
>enough. Someone suggested that I apply the stain and not to wipe it.
>That if I leave the stain on it will leave a much darker paint-like
>effect. Is this an acceptable method of applying stain? Snip.

Yes, you can leave it on without wiping, but it'll take quite awhile to dry. I
did this over lightly shellacked pine (helps avoid blotchiness), and it took
about a week plus to dry enough so I could topcoat. And this is in Arizona!
Gluck! Tom
Work at your leisure!

jJ

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 10:50 AM

Hey guys,
Thanks for all your input! I really appreciate it.
I think I have a really good starting point now.

mM

[email protected] (Mzone719)

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 03/09/2004 10:50 AM

04/09/2004 11:58 AM

If you haven't tried anything yet, Sutherland welles makes a concentrated line
of stains that you can mix to pretty much make whatever color you want.
expensive stuff but if nothing else works it might be worth a shot for you.

good luck

NN

"NoOne N Particular"

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 6:37 PM

A little hard to tell from a picture, but something like Bartley's Jet
Mahogany might work for you.

Wayne


"J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong forum, but I do not know
> where else to turn.
> I recently purchase a piece of furniture that I would like to stain. I
> would really like for it to have a very dark brown appearance. Not
> nearly black, but very dark deep brown. I purchased a dark mahogony
> stain but when I applied it to a test area, it wasn't nearly dark
> enough. Someone suggested that I apply the stain and not to wipe it.
> That if I leave the stain on it will leave a much darker paint-like
> effect. Is this an acceptable method of applying stain?
>
> Here is an example photo of the color/look I'd like to achieve.
>
>
http://a1412.g.akamai.net/7/1412/8802/0001/image2.styleinamerica.com/weecimgs/images/products/200435/0003/img14l.jpg
>
> I don't mind if it comes out slightly lighter. I'd just like to get
> close to this look.
>
> Thanks in advance and once again, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong
> forum.

TT

TWS

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 12:50 AM

toller wrote:
> There are probably better ways, but I did it with a brown dye followed by
> dark mahogany stain.
>
>
My experience has yielded much more uniform and predictable results with
aniline dye. This dyes the wood and the color is a function of the dye
rather than the soaking time of the stain so seems more reliable than
stain and is less tempermental about how long you leave it on. I've
only used water based aniline dye which is very convenient to mix to the
right shade but does require that you pre-wet, dry, and sand the raw
wood a couple of times to get the grain so it won't require sanding
after the dye is applied. Sanding will sand off the dyed wood and you
will lose color richness. Light steel wool is all you should need.

TWS

tt

"toller"

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

02/09/2004 11:06 PM

There are probably better ways, but I did it with a brown dye followed by
dark mahogany stain.

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 5:56 AM

> "J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
<extraneous stuff trimmed>
>> I recently purchase a piece of furniture that I would like to stain.
>> I would really like for it to have a very dark brown appearance. Not
>> nearly black, but very dark deep brown.

The October issue of Woodworker's Journal came in today's mail. It so
happens that Michael Dresdner wrote a nice long article on just such a
topic.

Who says there's never anything good in the magazines?

Patriarch

Ba

B a r r y

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

02/09/2004 11:59 PM

On 2 Sep 2004 15:43:08 -0700, [email protected] (J) wrote:


>
>http://a1412.g.akamai.net/7/1412/8802/0001/image2.styleinamerica.com/weecimgs/images/products/200435/0003/img14l.jpg
>

Try the "Ebony" shade of this:

<http://www.garrettwade.com/jump.jsp?itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=101718>

Practice on scrap, or the bottom of the table.

Barry

Ba

B a r r y

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

04/09/2004 12:59 AM

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:32:19 GMT, "Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Joey"
>I'll give you the answer, but a lot of the 'purists' on this forum will
>really scream.

I'll add that it's all about the look _you_ want!

I've done furniture from gorgeous mahogany, with mostly traditional
methods (only a few power tools <G>), and a simple wiped on, hand
rubbed oil finish. Purists would love it.

I've also done pieces with plywood, biscuits, and 49 gajillion coats
of sprayed on lacquer, with all kinds of stains dyes and toners in
between. Purists would disparage it to they day they drop.

The end users are thrilled with both examples.

Spray paint it pink if you want. <G>

Don't forget to practice on scrap, or the bottom of the piece, if it's
all you've got.

Barry

RM

"Ron Magen"

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 8:32 PM

"Joey"
I'll give you the answer, but a lot of the 'purists' on this forum will
really scream.

"Burma Teak" by MinWax.

It's one of their 'PolyShield' products. {Pretty sure - a can is in the
'paint locker' so I'll try to do this from memory.} It combines a stain with
a Poly finish. The first time I used it - years ago - I followed the
directions on the can. Painted it on and let it dry. Came out like our
dining room table - deep, dark, Duncan Phyfe mahogany.

I've experimented with different techniques for applying the stuff.
Including using it just like a 'regular' stain - wipe on, wipe off. Like it
a lot. However, If you want that DEEP, DARK red-brown color, all you need is
a foam brush, a light touch, and a bit of patience. Over it, I would
recommend several coats of a water-based clear Poly. This will give a good,
HARD finish that will protect the stained surface.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop


"J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong forum, but I do not know
> where else to turn.
> I recently purchase a piece of furniture that I would like to stain. I
> would really like for it to have a very dark brown appearance. Not
> nearly black, but very dark deep brown. I purchased a dark mahogony
> stain but when I applied it to a test area, it wasn't nearly dark
> enough. Someone suggested that I apply the stain and not to wipe it.
> That if I leave the stain on it will leave a much darker paint-like
> effect. Is this an acceptable method of applying stain?
>
> Here is an example photo of the color/look I'd like to achieve.
>
>
http://a1412.g.akamai.net/7/1412/8802/0001/image2.styleinamerica.com/weecimg
s/images/products/200435/0003/img14l.jpg
>
> I don't mind if it comes out slightly lighter. I'd just like to get
> close to this look.
>
> Thanks in advance and once again, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong
> forum.

nn

in reply to [email protected] (J) on 02/09/2004 3:43 PM

03/09/2004 8:55 AM

Not if waterbased will be topcoat. Or synthetic wool.

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 00:50:56 GMT, TWS <[email protected]> wrote:

>Light steel wool is all you should need.


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