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"bentley"

04/04/2009 5:14 PM

table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD

My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of jerky
electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. Like the
motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. Rough,
brief, jerky rotation.

It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor, but
also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any parts,
without having to replace the whole motor?



table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD

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This topic has 34 replies

BB

Bored Borg

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 7:14 PM

Us few drummers on here all know that using brushes is quieter... and then
started using table saws where brushes means ungodly loud. I couldn't believe
the difference switching from a tabletop brushed motor TS to a "proper"
induction motor. Serious danger of injury from not hearing the motor running.


As to yer busted motor. I''d rip it out and drag it along to the local
washing machine repair place (seriously) and get 'em to check it out and
quite for a recondition/exchange if faulty. They may have brushes to fit or
have a rewind/recondition service on the premises or be able to recommend
their pet service if not. These guys handle fancy multispeed oscillating
reversing motors all day. A TS motor will be child's play for 'em.
If you know of a motor rewinders, try them first, or as well. They'll be able
to tell you if there's a fault to be fixed.

If they don't have to dismantle a machine there'll probably be no charge for
a quick check, or maybe a nominal fee whereas taking the whole thing
somewhere for a strip and check will cost you £25. GBP ?45.00 USD just to
look at it.

Then it's a judgment call - is the repair price worth it?


when you dismantle, the saw may have a left-handed thread (motor on your
right, normal operating position) - or a right handed thread if it's on the
operator's left.

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 7:14 PM


"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...

Ah yes, some small saws with universal motors have brushes. Glad you were
able to learn something from Usenet today.

rM

ransley

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 7:32 PM

On Apr 5, 7:18=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 5:35 PM ransley spake thus:
>
> > On Apr 4, 6:55 pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> >> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>
> > So true, your usnet advice is worthless again.
>
> At least I can admit when I'm wrong, something I've *never* seen you do
> (and boy, are you wrong a lot of the time!).
>
> --
> Save the Planet
> Kill Yourself
>
> - motto of the Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/)

Really, so post them I dont remember any, and your still an ass to
keep it up.

st

stan

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 12:27 AM

On Apr 4, 11:23=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 4:19 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
>
> > David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
> >> Whoops; missed that part of the post. So it does have brushes.
>
> > Yes.
>
> > Saw is a "Kung FU Machinerty" Special.
>
> > I bought one for $50 in the mid '80s to throw in back of car for use
> > at the boat yard.
>
> > If you get 2 years, consider yourself lucky.
>
> Sounds as if the proper replacement procedure would be, to paraphrase an
> old musical-instrument repairperson acquaintance of mine:
>
> 1. Remove sawblade.
> 2. Slide new saw under sawblade.
>
> --
> Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
> mostly pears.
> Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
> the product.
> Contains Pears: =A0One pear seed per multiple tons of product.
>
> (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

My mid size (but not old monster, such as one sees in lumber yrads!)
bench saw has a separate one HP AC induction motor hanging out the
back using the weight of the motor to tension the drive belt. The step
up ratio, is, I think, about 2.5 to 1
Motor has thermal reset; some sort of starting contacts/winding AFIK;
no capacitor. It is connected in 230 volt mode. Was fortunate to
eventually find a double pole switch which have mounted on saw base.
Fortunately never had to have that motor apart.
But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench saws
have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck. I guess
in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor arbor?

rM

ransley

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 6:35 PM

On Apr 4, 6:55=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 1:29 PM notbob spake thus:
>
>
>
> > On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> My table saw motor has gone bad. =A0It was like the blade was binding =
on
> >> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. =A0Then there wa=
s
> >> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. =A0I unplugged it for a=
day.
> >> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of=
jerky
> >> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. =A0Lik=
e the
> >> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
> >> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. =A0R=
ough,
> >> brief, jerky rotation.
>
> > Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. =A0How deep are yo=
u willing
> > to go to save a buck? =A0May be best to jes replace motor.
>
> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>
> --
> Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
> mostly pears.
> Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
> the product.
> Contains Pears: =A0One pear seed per multiple tons of product.
>
> (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

So true, your usnet advice is worthless again.

JG

"John Grabowski"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 6:36 PM


"bentley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of
> jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise.
> Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered
> rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong
> direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor,
> but also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
> Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any
> parts, without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD
>
> Mastercraft 55-6886-6 10" 15A 120V 60Hz 3.0 hp max 5000 rpm no-load speed
>
> http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303523072&bmUID=1238874397130&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443277381&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true



*You may be able to save some bucks and have it rebuilt at an electric motor
repair shop. Check the yellow pages. If nothing else they can tell you
what is wrong with it. You might want to add thermal protection onto the
motor control of your saw to prevent future damage to the motor.

DN

David Nebenzahl

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 3:55 PM

On 4/4/2009 1:29 PM notbob spake thus:

> On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
>> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
>> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
>> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of jerky
>> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. Like the
>> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
>> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. Rough,
>> brief, jerky rotation.
>
> Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. How deep are you willing
> to go to save a buck? May be best to jes replace motor.

Brushes for a *table saw motor*?

Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

DN

David Nebenzahl

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 4:13 PM

On 4/4/2009 3:02 PM Doug Winterburn spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>
>> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>>
>> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>>
> Well, it could be a direct drive universal motor...

You mean like on one of them cheap "motorized" saws? I thought the O.P.
had a *real* table saw. So yeah, I guess it could have brushes, but not
likely.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

DN

David Nebenzahl

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 4:37 PM

On 4/4/2009 3:27 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>>
>> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet.
>
> 5,000 RPM should have given you the clue this is a universal motor and
> thus has brushes.
>
> So much for your electrical knowledge.

Whoops; missed that part of the post. So it does have brushes.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

DN

David Nebenzahl

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 5:23 PM

On 4/4/2009 4:19 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> Whoops; missed that part of the post. So it does have brushes.
>
> Yes.
>
> Saw is a "Kung FU Machinerty" Special.
>
> I bought one for $50 in the mid '80s to throw in back of car for use
> at the boat yard.
>
> If you get 2 years, consider yourself lucky.

Sounds as if the proper replacement procedure would be, to paraphrase an
old musical-instrument repairperson acquaintance of mine:

1. Remove sawblade.
2. Slide new saw under sawblade.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

DN

David Nebenzahl

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 5:18 PM

On 4/4/2009 5:35 PM ransley spake thus:

> On Apr 4, 6:55 pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>>
>> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>
> So true, your usnet advice is worthless again.

At least I can admit when I'm wrong, something I've *never* seen you do
(and boy, are you wrong a lot of the time!).


--
Save the Planet
Kill Yourself

- motto of the Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/)

JJ

JIMMIE

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 4:46 PM

On Apr 4, 7:39=A0pm, PeterD <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:55:08 -0800, David Nebenzahl
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 4/4/2009 1:29 PM notbob spake thus:
>
> >> On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> My table saw motor has gone bad. =A0It was like the blade was binding=
on
> >>> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. =A0Then there w=
as
> >>> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. =A0I unplugged it for =
a day.
> >>> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series o=
f jerky
> >>> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. =A0Li=
ke the
> >>> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation b=
y
> >>> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. =A0=
Rough,
> >>> brief, jerky rotation.
>
> >> Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. =A0How deep are y=
ou willing
> >> to go to save a buck? =A0May be best to jes replace motor.
>
> >Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> >Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>
> Yes, many of the 'newer' cheap ones use brushes. Not surprising at
> all.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They may be full of sawdust?

Jimmie

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 8:10 AM


"stan" wrote:

>====================================
But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench saws
have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck.

Yes.
>====================================
I guess
in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor arbor?

Yes.


Lew

Dd

"DanG"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 11:44 AM

Next time you go the store, turn any table saw that costs less
than 300 upside down. They are basically a skilsaw (not
necessarily Skilsaw brand) bolted upside down in there. Yes, they
have brushes.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
[email protected]



> But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench
> saws
> have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck. I
> guess
> in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor
> arbor?

>

b

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 3:25 PM

On Apr 4, 5:14=A0pm, "bentley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My table saw motor has gone bad. =A0It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. =A0Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. =A0I unplugged it for a da=
y.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of je=
rky
> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. =A0Like t=
he
> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. =A0Roug=
h,
> brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor, =
but
> also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
> Unfortunately it's out of warranty. =A0So can I suspect to replace any pa=
rts,
> without having to replace the whole motor?
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BA=
D
>
> Mastercraft 55-6886-6 10" 15A 120V 60Hz 3.0 hp max 5000 rpm no-load speed
>
> http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efold...


Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about your mishap.

Unfortunately, your table saw is a proud member of the "disposable
tool" category which pollutes the marketplace nowadays. It's designed
for occasional use and like any disposable product, it will be much
easier and cheaper to trash this one and buy a new one... until the
next one fails too... and so the wheel of frenetic consumption can
keep rolling...

If you want a portable table saw, you should look for the Bosch 4100.
At least, the parts will be available for quite a while and you can
expect a better performance out of the saw. If mobility is not
important, you can find a decent contractor saw for around 500$ brand
new. In fact, the Ridgid TS3660 is getting a lot of attention and it
sells for 600$. It comes in special every nom and then for 499$. This
is not to mention that Kijiji or Craiglist may have a much better saw
on the used market...

Hope this helps,

Ben

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 12:43 AM


David Nebenzahl wrote:

> Sounds as if the proper replacement procedure would be, to
> paraphrase an old musical-instrument repairperson acquaintance of
> mine:
>
> 1. Remove sawblade.
> 2. Slide new saw under sawblade.

More than one person, including myself, has already made that
observation.

Lew

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 7:47 AM


"stan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench saws
have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck. I guess
in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor arbor?

******************************************************

Yes, the low end saws like the Craftsman for $129 are like that. The have a
lot of limitations, but for many, they get the job done cheaply.

CM

"Craig M"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 7:55 AM

I have one of them sears specials here, that some one gave us, had to
replace a cap. on it to get it to run, but pay attention to setting the
fence parallel to the blade, and it makes pretty good cutsm been doing some
remodeling work here, its not as good as my other one at the shop at my dads
house, but it beats having to run back and forth, and it can be moved pretty
easy, since it does not have a cast iron top, no I know its not a $1500
cabinet saw, but for remodeling work, its pretty good, would have love one
of them fold up and roll away saws.
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench saws
> have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck. I guess
> in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor arbor?
>
> ******************************************************
>
> Yes, the low end saws like the Craftsman for $129 are like that. The have
> a lot of limitations, but for many, they get the job done cheaply.
>
>

TH

Tony Hwang

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 5:26 PM

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 3:02 PM Doug Winterburn spake thus:
>
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>>
>>> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>>>
>>> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>>>
>> Well, it could be a direct drive universal motor...
>
> You mean like on one of them cheap "motorized" saws? I thought the O.P.
> had a *real* table saw. So yeah, I guess it could have brushes, but not
> likely.
>
>
Hi,
Mastercraft is maybe even lesser than Sears tools.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 9:47 PM

bentley wrote:
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding
> on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there
> was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a
> day.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series
> of jerky
> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise.
> Like the
> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation
> by
> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction.
> Rough,
> brief, jerky rotation.

Congratulations, you get to help jump start the economy by purchasing
a replacement motor.

By the time you price out a replacement universal motor, you may find
a new saw price to be just as attractive.

Lew

Jj

"Jim"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 11:01 AM


"stan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:41888f0c-bf11-4896-9807-7c005cfdce5c@h28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 4, 11:23 pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 4:19 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
>
> > David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
> >> Whoops; missed that part of the post. So it does have brushes.
>
> > Yes.
>
> > Saw is a "Kung FU Machinerty" Special.
>
> > I bought one for $50 in the mid '80s to throw in back of car for use
> > at the boat yard.
>
> > If you get 2 years, consider yourself lucky.
>
> Sounds as if the proper replacement procedure would be, to paraphrase an
> old musical-instrument repairperson acquaintance of mine:
>
> 1. Remove sawblade.
> 2. Slide new saw under sawblade.
>
> --
> Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
> mostly pears.
> Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
> the product.
> Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.
>
> (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

My mid size (but not old monster, such as one sees in lumber yrads!)
bench saw has a separate one HP AC induction motor hanging out the
back using the weight of the motor to tension the drive belt. The step
up ratio, is, I think, about 2.5 to 1
Motor has thermal reset; some sort of starting contacts/winding AFIK;
no capacitor. It is connected in 230 volt mode. Was fortunate to
eventually find a double pole switch which have mounted on saw base.
Fortunately never had to have that motor apart.
But just curious? Do some of those all-in-one motorized bench saws
have a brush motor (direct drive) buried under the saw deck. I guess
in that case the saw blade is mounted directly on the motor arbor?


+++++++++++++++++++++++

What you have might be a repulsion-induction motor. Alas, they were
discontinued in the mid 1950's.
And, my saw has such a motor.

Jim


TH

Tony Hwang

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 5:08 PM

bentley wrote:
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a
> day. Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series
> of jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating
> noise. Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting its own
> powered rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power in the
> wrong direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor,
> but also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
> Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any
> parts, without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD
>
> Mastercraft 55-6886-6 10" 15A 120V 60Hz 3.0 hp max 5000 rpm no-load speed
>
> http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303523072&bmUID=1238874397130&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443277381&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true
>
Hi,
Does the motor have capacitor? It may be shot.

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 4:02 PM

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 4/4/2009 1:29 PM notbob spake thus:
>
>> On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding
>>> on something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there
>>> was significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it
>>> for a day. Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is
>>> a series of jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a
>>> pulsating noise. Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting
>>> its own powered rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power
>>> in the wrong direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>>
>> Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. How deep are you
>> willing
>> to go to save a buck? May be best to jes replace motor.
>
> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...
>
>
Well, it could be a direct drive universal motor...

bb

"bentley"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 7:20 PM

There is a brush assembly part number. What does this mean? (if anything
different)

There is no belt. The blade is bolted to the shaft.

There seems to be no capacitor, but a circuit breaker / rocker switch. I
cleaned this circuit breaker / rocker switch out once as it has stopped
working, but I can't see this being the problem this time. Could it?

BF

"Bob F"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 3:25 PM

bentley wrote:
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a
> day. Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a
> series of jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a
> pulsating noise. Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting
> its own powered rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power
> in the wrong direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full
> motor, but also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just
> the motor. Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to
> replace any parts, without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise
> jerky....how BAD

If it is belt drive, have you taken off the belt to verify the motor is the
problem?

TR

"Tony R."

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 6:45 PM


"bentley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of
> jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise.
> Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered
> rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong
> direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor,
> but also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
> Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any
> parts, without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how
> BAD

The hard part is, putting the smoke back in.

Pu

"PDQ"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 7:36 PM



In news:[email protected],
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> dropped this bit of wisdom:
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>=20
>> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>>=20
>> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet.
>=20
> 5,000 RPM should have given you the clue this is a universal motor and
> thus has brushes.
>=20
> So much for your electrical knowledge.
>=20
> Lew

Just shows to go you ---A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
And, some times, it is the littlest minds that tend to dump on others =
the most.

P D Q

jj

"jloomis"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 6:22 PM

also.....Bearings......?
jloomis
"bentley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of
> jerky electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise.
> Like the motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered
> rotation by sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong
> direction. Rough, brief, jerky rotation.
>
> It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor,
> but also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
> Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any
> parts, without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
> table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD
>
> Mastercraft 55-6886-6 10" 15A 120V 60Hz 3.0 hp max 5000 rpm no-load speed
>
> http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303523072&bmUID=1238874397130&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443277381&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true

Jj

Jimw

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

06/04/2009 4:17 AM

>
>It came with a complete manual listing all parts including a full motor, but
>also has a separate exploded parts illustration of just the motor.
>Unfortunately it's out of warranty. So can I suspect to replace any parts,
>without having to replace the whole motor?
>
>
>
>table saw motor binding electrical smoke resistance noise jerky....how BAD
>

If there was smoke coming out of the motor, the motor is shot.
PERIOD.
One of the windings burned up....

Maybe you can get replacement parts for that motor, or just a new
motor. Unfortunately that generally costs as much as a new saw (or
other tool). But some companies might be cheaper.

Another option would be to take the motor to an electric motor
rebuilding shop. Maybe they can rewind the bad windings much cheaper.
All you can do is ask them for an estimate.

nn

notbob

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 9:29 PM

On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of jerky
> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. Like the
> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. Rough,
> brief, jerky rotation.

Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. How deep are you willing
to go to save a buck? May be best to jes replace motor.

nb

nn

notbob

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 11:18 PM

On 2009-04-04, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:

> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...

I will admit ignorance of "table saw motor". Are you saying there are no
brushes in universal single phase AC motors? I'm sure Milwaukee would love
to know this.

nb

Pp

PeterD

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 7:39 PM

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:55:08 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 4/4/2009 1:29 PM notbob spake thus:
>
>> On 2009-04-04, bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>>> My table saw motor has gone bad. It was like the blade was binding on
>>> something, and came to a fast stop when switched off. Then there was
>>> significant electrical smoke I had to air out. I unplugged it for a day.
>>> Now when I plug it in and start it it seems as if there is a series of jerky
>>> electrical resistance spurts, accompanied by a pulsating noise. Like the
>>> motor is firing against itself - resisting its own powered rotation by
>>> sending quick spurts of electricity power in the wrong direction. Rough,
>>> brief, jerky rotation.
>>
>> Sounds like might be worn/bad brushes or commutator. How deep are you willing
>> to go to save a buck? May be best to jes replace motor.
>
>Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
>Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet ...

Yes, many of the 'newer' cheap ones use brushes. Not surprising at
all.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

05/04/2009 12:19 AM

David Nebenzahl wrote:


> Whoops; missed that part of the post. So it does have brushes.

Yes.

Saw is a "Kung FU Machinerty" Special.

I bought one for $50 in the mid '80s to throw in back of car for use
at the boat yard.

If you get 2 years, consider yourself lucky.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bentley" on 04/04/2009 5:14 PM

04/04/2009 11:27 PM

David Nebenzahl wrote:

> Brushes for a *table saw motor*?
>
> Just goes to prove the value of advice you get from Usenet.

5,000 RPM should have given you the clue this is a universal motor and
thus has brushes.

So much for your electrical knowledge.

Lew


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