We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
get heavily insulated.
I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the
> garage
> for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have
> now.
>
> A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap
> to
> keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and
> harvest
> it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
> So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the
> wall
> ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I
> can
> afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have
> to
> make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
> heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage
> will
> get heavily insulated.
-------------------------------------------------------
Location, location.
Makes a difference.
Fuel choices for heating:
1) Natural gas
2) Fuel oil
3) Propane
4) Electric, only if there is no other option.
Lew
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
>
> Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I'm in Eastern WA, we have hot
> dry
> summers and cold wet winters. I need A/C about 3-4 months a year
> and
> heat about 5-6. The other 2-4 months I don't need anything.
> I've been using a window A/C for cooling - not too expensive. But
> my
> heating has consisted of one (or two on a really cold day) portable
> electric heaters. Expensive, and it takes 2-3 hours to warm up the
> shop
> unless I keep it semi-warm overnight, which gets even more
> expensive.
>
> I do have natural gas, so a direct vent gas heater is probably the
> cheapest option for heat. And with no inside intake or exhaust,
> probably
> a pretty safe option as well.
>
> But it does nothing for cooling. We once lived in a house with a
> heat
> pump in a similar climate to here, and I was impressed. So I'm torn
> between the gas and a separate A/C, and a heat pump to take care of
> both.
>
> Here's one of the heat pump units I found:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Window-Heat-Pump-8000-BTUS/dp/B00819TDRI/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351640045&sr=8-1&keywords=FRA08P1>
>
> But I need more research on capacity.
--------------------------------------------------------
A heat pump has a lot going for it if you can handle the up front
cost.
My guess is you are going to need something in the 15-20,000 BTU
range.
Lew
On 10/30/2012 7:07 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:02:47 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above
>>> options or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>>
>> No experience whatsoever, but ...
>>
>> I have had this one my Amazon "wish" list since last year (never
>> got cold enough to justify the expense), mainly based on reviews
>> and one recommendation from someone on G+:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-G73-Electric-Garage-Heater/dp/B000TK2SWO/ref=wl_mb_wfa_4_dp
>>
>>
>>
I can easily run another 240v circuit, and I like the idea of electric
>> over other types, but I would still want to run a usage
>> estimate/calculation based on the specs to see what I could expect
>> with regard to an increase in the electrical bill before leaping.
I used a kerosene fired heater and then a kerosene fueled torpedo heater
for a number of years before I installed an electrical heater very
similar to the one you're considering. Same wattage, different brand.
Works like a charm. The thermostat takes some getting used to as it
doesn't set to a specific temp, just have to figure out what the number
on "Their" stat means in relation to shop temp. No biggie. Insulated
shop ~ 24' x 14' maintains a minimum temp of ~ 42 degrees from November
through April. When I want to use the shop in the evening, I crank it
up when I get home from work, go in the house and change clothes and
walk out to a nice warm shop. Effect on the electric bill has been
negligible. Certainly cheaper and more healthy, etc. than the kerosene
routine.
Best thing was when I brought SWMBO out to see how nice it was in the
shop in the middle of January (when I did the install) her comment was,
"Great. Now where are you going to put the A/C?" She was serious.
Next stop a good buy on a used window AC unit and then out came the
Sawz-all. Can't beat it!
> There are times that I wish I had something like that in my shop.
> Just want to come out go to work and not have to build a fire. The
> things I did that help was put 2" of foam under 6" of concrete and
> once I get it heated up it stays pretty warm. Also insulated
> everything as much as possible. I'm in the Cascade foothills of Wa.
> so it can get pretty cold in the winter. I've got a Vermont Casting
> woodstove, and two 1500 KW floor heaters but that unit of yours would
> probably heat my 960 sq' in under 30 minutes. Normally I'd just go
> get it but now I have a girlfriend and "we" have a plan. Anyone need
> a 72 FJ40. I'm learning to clean up behind myself. She even expects
> me to finish putting drywall up in the living room.
>
> Mike M
>
"G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Same here in middle GA. I have two 1500 w 110 v heaters. One cost
> $9 at Walgreen's, and one is all metal and cost about $15 at Walmart.
> The problem with these is the primitive thermostat. I try to keep
> the temp at 65-67 but even when the temp got to 72 one or other of the
> heaters would still come on for awhile.
>
*snip*
I suspect that what we think of as a thermostat on those things is a simple
timer. They usually work good enough, but I've got to adjust one about 5
times a heating season.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:20:24 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/30/2012 3:01 PM, HeyBub wrote:
>...
>
>> Add to your list for consideration a Kerosene heater. Fairly inexpensive,
>> easy and cheap to run, and portable.
>
>Not _that_ cheap any more--I just filled the can and from the bulk pump
>K-1 was $5.50+/gal.
>
>Also have the problem for shop of they _do_ smell and the hotdog ones
>are terribly noisy in a small shop and if humidity is a problem they'll
>add to it. That said, I have one for the shop (albeit this is the farm
>shop _not_ woodworking and it will heat a garage space to toasty in a
>short time so you can cycle it...
Just like propane if you don't have ventilation your just putting
moisture into air.
Mike M
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:49:20 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>How cold are we talking about?
>
>In Houston on cold days I use a 1500 watt 110 volt heater. I let it run
>about 30 minutes before I go out to work. The room does not get "warm"
>but the temperature is tolerable with out a coat and if pointed at where
>I am working quite adequate. Be sure to add weather stripping around
>your garage doors, cutting down on drafts is half the battle.
That 1500 watt heater is putting out about 5100 BTU. Here in CT, when
it gets below 25 - 30 degrees, my 30,000 BTU heater is not enough in a
partially insulated garage. This year I'll have a 60K unit.
Propane does put moisture in the air, but I've never found it to be a
problem here.
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the
> garage for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed
> I have now.
>
> A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
> keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and
> harvest it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
> So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the
> wall ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think
> I can afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd
> have to make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct
> vent gas heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC -
> the garage will get heavily insulated.
>
> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above
> options or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
Add to your list for consideration a Kerosene heater. Fairly inexpensive,
easy and cheap to run, and portable.
On 10/30/2012 1:14 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2012 12:49 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> In Houston on cold days I use a 1500 watt 110 volt heater. I let it run
>> about 30 minutes before I go out to work. The room does not get "warm"
>> but the temperature is tolerable with out a coat and if pointed at where
>> I am working quite adequate. Be sure to add weather stripping around
>> your garage doors, cutting down on drafts is half the battle.
>
> My biggest concern has heretofore been not necessarily personal comfort
> (at least not yet, but that may be fast approaching), but keeping the
> project stock at a glue friendly temperature.
>
> When I know that it is going to be below recommended chalk/glue-up
> temperatures, I keep my glue bottles, and sometimes the stock, in the
> office overnight ... AAMOF, I have done quite a few glue-ups on the
> kitchen island (much to Linda's dismay, although I don't know why the
> hell that would bother someone who doesn't cook?? <g>)
>
I have only had a problem with cold and gluing, you saw it in Oct 2009.
I was laminating the veneers onto the bedroom bed posts.
Typically I nuke the glue bottle, I did not on that day, apparently.
On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
> for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
>
> A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
> keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
> it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
> So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
> ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
> afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
> make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
> heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
> get heavily insulated.
>
> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
> or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>
How cold are we talking about?
In Houston on cold days I use a 1500 watt 110 volt heater. I let it run
about 30 minutes before I go out to work. The room does not get "warm"
but the temperature is tolerable with out a coat and if pointed at where
I am working quite adequate. Be sure to add weather stripping around
your garage doors, cutting down on drafts is half the battle.
Where are you located.. that matters more than anything.
On 10/30/2012 12:36 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
> for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
>
> A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
> keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
> it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
> So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
> ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
> afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
> make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
> heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
> get heavily insulated.
>
> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
> or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>
dadiOH wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above
>>> options or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>>
>> No experience whatsoever, but ...
>>
>> I have had this one my Amazon "wish" list since last year (never got
>> cold enough to justify the expense), mainly based on reviews and one
>> recommendation from someone on G+:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-G73-Electric-Garage-Heater/dp/B000TK2SWO/ref=wl_mb_wfa_4_dp
>>
>> I can easily run another 240v circuit, and I like the idea of electric
>> over other types, but I would still want to run a usage
>> estimate/calculation based on the specs to see what I could expect
>> with regard to an increase in the electrical bill before leaping.
>
> All you need to know are watts.
>
> My shop is 20x25. I use one 1500 w 110v electric heater for it - and it is
> completely adequate - but the temp rarely falls below 50 degrees outside
> during the day.
>
> One caveat, electric heater prices run all over the place with a low of
> about $15 (which is what I paid 15 years ago). Some have half power
> settings, all should have fans, probably a thermostat too. The caveat is
> that the wattage determines the amount of heat...two heaters with the same
> wattage may have wildly different prices but they put out the same amount of
> heat though they may differ in how it is distributed.
>
Same here in middle GA. I have two 1500 w 110 v heaters. One cost
$9 at Walgreen's, and one is all metal and cost about $15 at Walmart.
The problem with these is the primitive thermostat. I try to keep
the temp at 65-67 but even when the temp got to 72 one or other of the
heaters would still come on for awhile.
Solved this problem this summer with a couple of thermostats designed
for baseboard heaters. Wired them up to dedicated receptacles to plug
the heaters in. They keep the temp within 1 degree all day long. My
shop is well insulated so I keep the temperature the same round the
clock. Some mornings I go out to the shop before daylight and it is
always pleasant.
--
G.W. Ross
Complex problems have simple, easy to
understand, wrong answers.
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:36:57 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
>for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
I'd build a carport, instead. (In fact, I did just that.)
>A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
>keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
>it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
>So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
>ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
>afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
>make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
>heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
>get heavily insulated.
Insulate it really well and you won't need anything but the $79 window
heater/A/C unit.
--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:02:47 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
>> or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>
>No experience whatsoever, but ...
>
>I have had this one my Amazon "wish" list since last year (never got
>cold enough to justify the expense), mainly based on reviews and one
>recommendation from someone on G+:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-G73-Electric-Garage-Heater/dp/B000TK2SWO/ref=wl_mb_wfa_4_dp
>
>I can easily run another 240v circuit, and I like the idea of electric
>over other types, but I would still want to run a usage
>estimate/calculation based on the specs to see what I could expect with
>regard to an increase in the electrical bill before leaping.
There are times that I wish I had something like that in my shop. Just
want to come out go to work and not have to build a fire. The things
I did that help was put 2" of foam under 6" of concrete and once I get
it heated up it stays pretty warm. Also insulated everything as much
as possible. I'm in the Cascade foothills of Wa. so it can get pretty
cold in the winter. I've got a Vermont Casting woodstove, and two
1500 KW floor heaters but that unit of yours would probably heat my
960 sq' in under 30 minutes. Normally I'd just go get it but now I
have a girlfriend and "we" have a plan. Anyone need a 72 FJ40. I'm
learning to clean up behind myself. She even expects me to finish
putting drywall up in the living room.
Mike M
On 10/30/2012 12:49 PM, Leon wrote:
> In Houston on cold days I use a 1500 watt 110 volt heater. I let it run
> about 30 minutes before I go out to work. The room does not get "warm"
> but the temperature is tolerable with out a coat and if pointed at where
> I am working quite adequate. Be sure to add weather stripping around
> your garage doors, cutting down on drafts is half the battle.
My biggest concern has heretofore been not necessarily personal comfort
(at least not yet, but that may be fast approaching), but keeping the
project stock at a glue friendly temperature.
When I know that it is going to be below recommended chalk/glue-up
temperatures, I keep my glue bottles, and sometimes the stock, in the
office overnight ... AAMOF, I have done quite a few glue-ups on the
kitchen island (much to Linda's dismay, although I don't know why the
hell that would bother someone who doesn't cook?? <g>)
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:37:01 AM UTC-5, Larry Blanchard wrote:
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I use a 30,000 btu vent-less natural gas wall heater to heat my 1,000SF gar=
age/workshop. It does a great job on the coldest days. 30K BTU would be ove=
rkill for you but they make smaller ones. You would have to provide some k=
ind of outside air circulation but the fit of the garage doors and a vent i=
n my attic access does well. I paid less than $300 for my unit and the plu=
mbing added about $50 more. Easy installation.
RonB
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT), RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
Big snip.....
>
>I use a 30,000 btu vent-less natural gas wall heater to heat my 1,000SF garage/workshop. It does a great job on the coldest days. 30K BTU would be overkill for you but they make smaller ones. You would have to provide some kind of outside air circulation but the fit of the garage doors and a vent in my attic access does well. I paid less than $300 for my unit and the plumbing added about $50 more. Easy installation.
>
>RonB
Where are you located and how much insulation in your shop?
Thanks,
Roy
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:36:57 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
>for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
>
>A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
>keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
>it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
>
>So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
>ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
>afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
>make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
>heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
>get heavily insulated.
>
>I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
>or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=44590&cat=1,43456,43465,44590
I have a couple of these over my workbench that I stand under and I
keep plenty warm even if the temperature is in the 30's. I have them
set so they can swivel and pivot over the table saw and workbench
areas. Other areas in the shop just stay cold and I dress warm. Each
must be on its own circuit.
I don't use them to keep everything warm enough for a glue up. They
may do good enough, but I don't trust it. I have an adjacent utility
room that I can heat for that if need be. I keep my glue and finishes
in an insulated cabinet heated with a couple of 25 watt light bulbs
when the temperature gets low.
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:38:40 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:23:47 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------- Location,
>> location.
>>
>> Makes a difference.
>>
>
>Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I'm in Eastern WA, we have hot dry
>summers and cold wet winters. I need A/C about 3-4 months a year and
>heat about 5-6. The other 2-4 months I don't need anything.
>
>
>
>> Fuel choices for heating:
>>
>> 1) Natural gas
>> 2) Fuel oil
>> 3) Propane
>> 4) Electric, only if there is no other option.
>
>I've been using a window A/C for cooling - not too expensive. But my
>heating has consisted of one (or two on a really cold day) portable
>electric heaters. Expensive, and it takes 2-3 hours to warm up the shop
>unless I keep it semi-warm overnight, which gets even more expensive.
>
>I do have natural gas, so a direct vent gas heater is probably the
>cheapest option for heat. And with no inside intake or exhaust, probably
>a pretty safe option as well.
>
>But it does nothing for cooling. We once lived in a house with a heat
>pump in a similar climate to here, and I was impressed. So I'm torn
>between the gas and a separate A/C, and a heat pump to take care of both.
>
>Here's one of the heat pump units I found:
>
><http://www.amazon.com/Window-Heat-Pump-8000-BTUS/dp/B00819TDRI/
>ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351640045&sr=8-1&keywords=FRA08P1>
>
>But I need more research on capacity.
>
>Thanks to you and everyone else who responded.
Might have to consider how much time is in the shop. If your out
there a lot the heat pump may be best. If not the A/C unit when you
need it may be cheaper.
Mike M
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
A wood stove isn't an option because I don't generate enough scrap to
keep one going and I don't want to either buy wood or go out and harvest
it. Plus I have some safety concerns.
So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
get heavily insulated.
I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.
What type of heat for the house? Forced air, Hot water heat? Run what you
have to the garage. Easy if hot water heat. WW
Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above
>> options or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
>
> No experience whatsoever, but ...
>
> I have had this one my Amazon "wish" list since last year (never got
> cold enough to justify the expense), mainly based on reviews and one
> recommendation from someone on G+:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-G73-Electric-Garage-Heater/dp/B000TK2SWO/ref=wl_mb_wfa_4_dp
>
> I can easily run another 240v circuit, and I like the idea of electric
> over other types, but I would still want to run a usage
> estimate/calculation based on the specs to see what I could expect
> with regard to an increase in the electrical bill before leaping.
All you need to know are watts.
My shop is 20x25. I use one 1500 w 110v electric heater for it - and it is
completely adequate - but the temp rarely falls below 50 degrees outside
during the day.
One caveat, electric heater prices run all over the place with a low of
about $15 (which is what I paid 15 years ago). Some have half power
settings, all should have fans, probably a thermostat too. The caveat is
that the wattage determines the amount of heat...two heaters with the same
wattage may have wildly different prices but they put out the same amount of
heat though they may differ in how it is distributed.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We'll be moving next month and I'm going to wall off part of the garage
> for a shop. Still a small shop, but more than the 11x13 shed I have now.
...
> So I've been looking for heating and cooling options. A through the wall
> ductless heat pump looks like the best option, but I don't think I can
> afford one. A window AC/heat pump is more affordable, but I'd have to
> make a "window" for it. Finally, I could go with a direct vent gas
> heater and a separate AC, or just try to do with out AC - the garage will
> get heavily insulated.
>
> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
> or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
Don't say where so no idea of heat/cooling loads nor what you expect for
a control range but...since it is (presumed) attached garage and (also
presumed) central heat/air system, what about simply running ductwork to
the shop area?
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On 10/30/2012 3:01 PM, HeyBub wrote:
...
> Add to your list for consideration a Kerosene heater. Fairly inexpensive,
> easy and cheap to run, and portable.
Not _that_ cheap any more--I just filled the can and from the bulk pump
K-1 was $5.50+/gal.
Also have the problem for shop of they _do_ smell and the hotdog ones
are terribly noisy in a small shop and if humidity is a problem they'll
add to it. That said, I have one for the shop (albeit this is the farm
shop _not_ woodworking and it will heat a garage space to toasty in a
short time so you can cycle it...
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:23:47 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------- Location,
> location.
>
> Makes a difference.
>
Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I'm in Eastern WA, we have hot dry
summers and cold wet winters. I need A/C about 3-4 months a year and
heat about 5-6. The other 2-4 months I don't need anything.
> Fuel choices for heating:
>
> 1) Natural gas
> 2) Fuel oil
> 3) Propane
> 4) Electric, only if there is no other option.
I've been using a window A/C for cooling - not too expensive. But my
heating has consisted of one (or two on a really cold day) portable
electric heaters. Expensive, and it takes 2-3 hours to warm up the shop
unless I keep it semi-warm overnight, which gets even more expensive.
I do have natural gas, so a direct vent gas heater is probably the
cheapest option for heat. And with no inside intake or exhaust, probably
a pretty safe option as well.
But it does nothing for cooling. We once lived in a house with a heat
pump in a similar climate to here, and I was impressed. So I'm torn
between the gas and a separate A/C, and a heat pump to take care of both.
Here's one of the heat pump units I found:
<http://www.amazon.com/Window-Heat-Pump-8000-BTUS/dp/B00819TDRI/
ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351640045&sr=8-1&keywords=FRA08P1>
But I need more research on capacity.
Thanks to you and everyone else who responded.
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In news:[email protected],
Mike M <[email protected]> typed:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:02:47 -0500, Swingman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with
>>> the above options or with any other option I may have
>>> overlooked. Thanks.
>>
>> No experience whatsoever, but ...
>>
...
>
> Mike M
IMO, a kerosene Reddy Heater or similar is the best for heating a shop. I've
used one for going on ten years now. Quick heat, cheaper than electricity,
can buy thermostats to go with them, & move around easily.
About the only fallbacks are making sure you don't pay road taxes on the
kero and you have to have a couple of 5 gallon cans for the kero, but IMO
again, that's no big deal. IIRC mine is a 25,000 BTU which is more than
enough to heat my shop and with a box fan on the ceiling can push the heat
out and include heat for the entire garage. YMMV of course, dependiing on
cu. ft., etc..
On 10/30/2012 11:36 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> I'd appreciate everyone's opinions or experiences with the above options
> or with any other option I may have overlooked. Thanks.
No experience whatsoever, but ...
I have had this one my Amazon "wish" list since last year (never got
cold enough to justify the expense), mainly based on reviews and one
recommendation from someone on G+:
http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-G73-Electric-Garage-Heater/dp/B000TK2SWO/ref=wl_mb_wfa_4_dp
I can easily run another 240v circuit, and I like the idea of electric
over other types, but I would still want to run a usage
estimate/calculation based on the specs to see what I could expect with
regard to an increase in the electrical bill before leaping.
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