I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
bit I picked up:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
WW wrote:
> "Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Searcher7 wrote:
>>> On Feb 19, 6:05 pm, "WW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top
>>>>>> material using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10
>>>>>> seconds barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>>>>
>>>>>> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the
>>>>>> non-laminated side and flipped the board over. Outside of the
>>>>>> point of the bit it didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>>>>
>>>>>> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I
>>>>>> am using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
>>>>>> "Forster" bit I picked up:
>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>>>>
>>>>> Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool.
>>>>> Forstner bits are intended to be used in a drill press. I would
>>>>> suggest a hole saw for your drill.
>>>>> I agree with Leon. I only use this type of bit in a drill press.
>>>>> Pressure is needed for best results. WW
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks.
>>>
>>> That's what I thought.
>>>
>>> I did initially try the hole saw, but since the hole saw set I have
>>> is also cheap, it started to wobble. As a result a 1-1/4" hole saw
>>> made a 1-5/16" hole. I check and the pilot drill wobbles in the
>>> free spinning hand drill, but I don't know if this happened before
>>> or after my first drilling attempt. Nevertheless, I'll have to pick
>>> up a better set at Home Depot.
>>>
>>> (I was told to start with the hole saw and drill several holes
>>> around it's perimeter so the saw dust could escape).
>>>
>>> Darren Harris
>>> Staten Island, New York.
>>
>> Darren Harris,
>> Would you describe the technique of drilling holes around the
>> perimeter of the hole saw? Hadn't heard of this trick before.
>> Thanks,
>> Kerry
>>
>> Start hole saw to mark the area (about 1/16 th inch deep) then drill
>> about 5/16th holes just inside the internal cut. Maybe 4 or 5 spaced
>> around the circumference. This will allow the saw dust to drop
>> through and prevents binding of saw blade. WW
WW,
Thanks; makes good sense.
Kerry
On Feb 20, 7:08=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:55:05 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Feb 20, 12:13 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Searcher7" wrote:
> >> > So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> >> > using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
> >> > "Forster"
> >> > bit I picked up:
> >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D330378965487
>
> >> --------------------------
> >> Yes, that junk might make a paper weight, MAYBE, a forstner NEVER.
>
> >> -----------------------------------> I intend to pick up a good hole s=
aw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> >> > ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> >> > know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> >> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Make sure the hole saw is BiMetal construction.
>
> >> May get lucky, but doubt Home Depot will have them.
>
> >> Lew
>
> >I had gone to Home Depot earlier and almost bought the 1-1/8" &
> >1-1/4" =A0Milwaukee Bi-metal hole saws along with the necessary pilot
> >bit for about $25 total.
>
> >My table top drill press is not yet operational, so I'll have to make
> >do with my hand drill for now.
>
> >I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
>
> Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops with a simple
> spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but a few had up to
> 1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic liner, that will
> be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut holes for
> electrical cord plugs to "escape."
Thanks. I can't find my spade bit at the moment, but just in case. Did
you use a hand or table drill?
And did you start on the laminated side?
I'm not too worried about "chipout" as long as the laminated side is
clean. But I'd use a sacrificial board underneath anyway.
Thanks.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:55:05 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 20, 12:13 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Searcher7" wrote:
>> > So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
>> > using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
>> > "Forster"
>> > bit I picked up:
>> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Yes, that junk might make a paper weight, MAYBE, a forstner NEVER.
>>
>> -----------------------------------> I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
>> > ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
>> > know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>>
>> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Make sure the hole saw is BiMetal construction.
>>
>> May get lucky, but doubt Home Depot will have them.
>>
>> Lew
>
>I had gone to Home Depot earlier and almost bought the 1-1/8" &
>1-1/4" Milwaukee Bi-metal hole saws along with the necessary pilot
>bit for about $25 total.
>
>My table top drill press is not yet operational, so I'll have to make
>do with my hand drill for now.
>
>I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops with a simple
spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but a few had up to
1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic liner, that will
be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut holes for
electrical cord plugs to "escape."
--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck
On Feb 20, 12:13=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"Searcher7" wrote:
> > So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> > using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
> > "Forster"
> > bit I picked up:
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D330378965487
>
> --------------------------
> Yes, that junk might make a paper weight, MAYBE, a forstner NEVER.
>
> -----------------------------------> I intend to pick up a good hole saw,=
as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> > ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> > know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Make sure the hole saw is BiMetal construction.
>
> May get lucky, but doubt Home Depot will have them.
>
> Lew
I had gone to Home Depot earlier and almost bought the 1-1/8" &
1-1/4" Milwaukee Bi-metal hole saws along with the necessary pilot
bit for about $25 total.
My table top drill press is not yet operational, so I'll have to make
do with my hand drill for now.
I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
Thanks.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:35:49 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Kukris are quite nice. But a kris....
A kris will strike fear in the viewer when seen. Owners think they're
pretty. A kukri will take off heads without a second thought.
--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:06:20 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:19:01 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 20, 7:08 am, Larry Jaques
>>>><[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops
>>>>> with a simple
>>>>> spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but
>>>>> a
>>>>> few had up to
>>>>> 1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic
>>>>> liner, that will
>>>>> be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut
>>>>> holes for
>>>>> electrical cord plugs to "escape."
>>
>>Without any proof beyond hearsay, an installer who worked
>>with laminate
>>liked to warm it up with a heat gun as a deterrent to
>>tearout. I'd want to
>>practice that little maneuver before relying on it.
>
> Maybe warm it to 120F, but if you got it really hot, I
> firmly believe
> that it would tend to lose cohesive strength and tear
> instead of chip.
>
>>>>Thanks. I can't find my spade bit at the moment, but
>>>>just
>>>>in case. Did
>>>>you use a hand or table drill?
>>>
>>> I think the handy drill was the old B&D 3/8" corded VSR
>>> with the HF
>>> 1/2" chuck on it. I wouldn't hesitate to use one in a
>>> brace, though.
>>> It'd be slower but doable.
>>
>>
>>A handy accessory is one of those portable
>>stands (complete with its own chuck) which fits on to
>>power
>>drills. "General" is one brand among others. Though I use
>>them
>>to assure a perpendicular hole and measured penetration on
>>immovable
>>objects where that is important, they are advertised for
>>use
>>in maintaining
>>angles; however, lack of any need wouldn't allow my
>>guarantee for
>>use at acute numbers.
>
> I bought one (back when they were $20. Gawd, look at the
> prices now!
> <thud>) and still use it on rare occasion.
LJ:
Yeah, I think I thunked when looking at the revised tags as
well.
>
>
>>You're a hero if you can manage using an eggbeater for
>>more
>>than
>>breakfast. They get collected for distribution to the
>>third
>>world when
>>found cheaply.
>
LJ:
> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier
> on the bod.
> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
Point well taken. I was bracing for a beating at the
thought of your drilling me a
bit with the anticipated correction. What can I say? I am
aspalled at myself.
>
> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for
> breakfast
> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
> together with the
> eggs using a fork.
You'll enjoy the Spanish for fork: tenedor. Literally, it
means "haver".
Next time you want to displace an unwelcome guest after a
meal, try putting the fork in the eggbeater and announcing
your
breakthrough over a meal of spaghetti, perhaps slipping in
some Jackson Pollock: "I continue to get further away from
the
usual painter's tools such as easels, palettes, brushes..."
Setting
up a no-fly zone is just that simple.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
>
> --
> The more passions and desires one has,
> the more ways one has of being happy.
> -- Charlotte-Catherine
"Searcher7" wrote:
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
> "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
--------------------------
Yes, that junk might make a paper weight, MAYBE, a forstner NEVER.
-----------------------------------
> I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
---------------------------------
Make sure the hole saw is BiMetal construction.
May get lucky, but doubt Home Depot will have them.
Lew
?
"Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>
> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>
> I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Darren Harris
> Staten Island, New York.
Forstners cut with a scraping action. I doubt any bit is going to do a
really good job, but the cheaper ones will have a difficult time getting
though a pine board and won't touch tough laminate. I'd get a good hole
saw, preferably mounted in a drill press.
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/23/2011 10:32 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> "Just Wondering"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/22/2011 11:22 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700,
>>>>>> "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much
>>>>>>>> easier on the bod.
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French
>>>>>>>> toast
>>>>>>>> for breakfast
>>>>>>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>>>>>>> together with the
>>>>>>>> eggs using a fork.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed...
>>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You got that right. Otherwise, you'd have to do it ova.
>>>>
>>> This is a woodworking group, stop the yolking around.
>>
>> JW:
>>
>> And here I thought us such yokefellows that it was
>> fun to play the yokel once in a while. O.K.
>> since you axed, I'll hew to the woody line. Hmph...
>> guy can't even have a few yuccas no more.
>>
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to bird-en anyone. Just don't want
> anyone making an ash of himself.
Yew know, to lift and twist lines from Pogo and Moody Blues,
I'm thinking
that the other guys have seen the future ash and it is us.
Or it's gonna be.
Amscraying,
Edward Hennessey
On 2/22/2011 11:22 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700,
>>> "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much
>>>>> easier on the bod.
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>>>
>>>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast
>>>>> for breakfast
>>>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>>>> together with the
>>>>> eggs using a fork.
>>>>
>>>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
>>
>> Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed... :(
>
>
> You got that right. Otherwise, you'd have to do it ova.
>
This is a woodworking group, stop the yolking around.
On 2/23/2011 10:32 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "Just Wondering"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/22/2011 11:22 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700,
>>>>> "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much
>>>>>>> easier on the bod.
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French
>>>>>>> toast
>>>>>>> for breakfast
>>>>>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>>>>>> together with the
>>>>>>> eggs using a fork.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed... :(
>>>
>>>
>>> You got that right. Otherwise, you'd have to do it ova.
>>>
>> This is a woodworking group, stop the yolking around.
>
> JW:
>
> And here I thought us such yokefellows that it was
> fun to play the yokel once in a while. O.K.
> since you axed, I'll hew to the woody line. Hmph...
> guy can't even have a few yuccas no more.
>
Sorry, I didn't mean to bird-en anyone. Just don't want anyone making
an ash of himself.
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/2011 11:22 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700,
>>>> "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much
>>>>>> easier on the bod.
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French
>>>>>> toast
>>>>>> for breakfast
>>>>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>>>>> together with the
>>>>>> eggs using a fork.
>>>>>
>>>>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
>>>
>>> Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed... :(
>>
>>
>> You got that right. Otherwise, you'd have to do it ova.
>>
> This is a woodworking group, stop the yolking around.
JW:
And here I thought us such yokefellows that it was
fun to play the yokel once in a while. O.K.
since you axed, I'll hew to the woody line. Hmph...
guy can't even have a few yuccas no more.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:26:01 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier
>>> on the bod.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>
>>Point well taken. I was bracing for a beating at the
>>thought of your drilling me a
>>bit with the anticipated correction. What can I say? I am
>>aspalled at myself.
>
> MOM! Hen's clucking again!
>
>
>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast
>>> for
>>> breakfast
>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>> together with the
>>> eggs using a fork.
>>
>>You'll enjoy the Spanish for fork: tenedor. Literally, it
>>means "haver".
>
> ?"Haver" esta Haber, señor?
>
> haber
> verb auxiliary
> 1. to have (en tiempos compuestos)
>
> * lo he/había hecho -> I have/had done it
> * los niños ya han comido -> the children have already
> eaten
>
> 2. (expresa reproche)
>
> * haber venido antes -> you could have come a bit
> earlier
> * ¡haberlo dicho! -> why didn't you say so?
> * haberme escuchado -> I told you (so), you should have
> listened
> to me
> * de haberlo sabido. -> if only I'd known.
>
> 3. (expresa obligación)
>
> * haber de hacer algo -> to have to do something
> * has de estudiar más -> you have to study more
> * siempre has de ser tú el que se queje -> you always
> have to be
> the one to complain
>
>
LJ:
Usted tiene muchas palabras de la lengua. Haber es una
interesante,
pero, en este caso, "tener" se indica "to have, "to possess"
en Ingles y
"tenedor"=fork="haver". Now you wore me out.
>>Next time you want to displace an unwelcome guest after a
>>meal, try putting the fork in the eggbeater and announcing
>>your
>>breakthrough over a meal of spaghetti, perhaps slipping in
>>some Jackson Pollock: "I continue to get further away from
>>the
>>usual painter's tools such as easels, palettes,
>>brushes..."
>>Setting
>>up a no-fly zone is just that simple.
>
> Nah, I just get out the old Kukri collection and fire up
> the chainsaw.
Apologies for the mediocre JP quote. I looked and couldn't
find
anything better. Some wit, knowing him to be a boracho
supremo
quipped that his paintings were very representational...
of his thought processes.
Kukris are quite nice. But a kris....
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
>
> --
> The more passions and desires one has,
> the more ways one has of being happy.
> -- Charlotte-Catherine
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700,
>> "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much
>>>> easier on the bod.
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>>
>>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast
>>>> for breakfast
>>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>>>> together with the
>>>> eggs using a fork.
>>>
>>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
>
> Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed... :(
B:
You got that right. Otherwise, you'd have to do it ova.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
>
>>
>> Only in Canuckistan. OSHA frowns upon that particular
>> practice here.
>>
>> --
>> The more passions and desires one has,
>> the more ways one has of being happy.
>> -- Charlotte-Catherine
>
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700, "chaniarts" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier on the bod.
>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>
>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for breakfast
>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk together with the
>> eggs using a fork.
>
>aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
Only in Canuckistan. OSHA frowns upon that particular practice here.
--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:12:40 -0700, "chaniarts"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier on the bod.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>>>
>>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for breakfast
>>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk together with the
>>> eggs using a fork.
>>
>> aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
Yes, but you have to set it to the eggsact speed... :(
>
> Only in Canuckistan. OSHA frowns upon that particular practice here.
>
> --
> The more passions and desires one has,
> the more ways one has of being happy.
> -- Charlotte-Catherine
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:26:01 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier
>> on the bod.
>> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
>> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>
>Point well taken. I was bracing for a beating at the
>thought of your drilling me a
>bit with the anticipated correction. What can I say? I am
>aspalled at myself.
MOM! Hen's clucking again!
>> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for
>> breakfast
>> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk
>> together with the
>> eggs using a fork.
>
>You'll enjoy the Spanish for fork: tenedor. Literally, it
>means "haver".
?"Haver" esta Haber, señor?
haber
verb auxiliary
1. to have (en tiempos compuestos)
* lo he/había hecho -> I have/had done it
* los niños ya han comido -> the children have already eaten
2. (expresa reproche)
* haber venido antes -> you could have come a bit earlier
* ¡haberlo dicho! -> why didn't you say so?
* haberme escuchado -> I told you (so), you should have listened
to me
* de haberlo sabido
-> if only I'd known
3. (expresa obligación)
* haber de hacer algo -> to have to do something
* has de estudiar más -> you have to study more
* siempre has de ser tú el que se queje -> you always have to be
the one to complain
>Next time you want to displace an unwelcome guest after a
>meal, try putting the fork in the eggbeater and announcing
>your
>breakthrough over a meal of spaghetti, perhaps slipping in
>some Jackson Pollock: "I continue to get further away from
>the
>usual painter's tools such as easels, palettes, brushes..."
>Setting
>up a no-fly zone is just that simple.
Nah, I just get out the old Kukri collection and fire up the chainsaw.
--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
Searcher7 wrote:
> On Feb 19, 6:05 pm, "WW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top
>>>> material using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10
>>>> seconds barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>>
>>>> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
>>>> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
>>>> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>>
>>>> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I
>>>> am using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
>>>> "Forster" bit I picked up:
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>>
>>> Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool.
>>> Forstner bits are intended to be used in a drill press. I would
>>> suggest a hole saw for your drill.
>>> I agree with Leon. I only use this type of bit in a drill press.
>>> Pressure is needed for best results. WW
>
> Ok, thanks.
>
> That's what I thought.
>
> I did initially try the hole saw, but since the hole saw set I have is
> also cheap, it started to wobble. As a result a 1-1/4" hole saw made a
> 1-5/16" hole. I check and the pilot drill wobbles in the free spinning
> hand drill, but I don't know if this happened before or after my first
> drilling attempt. Nevertheless, I'll have to pick up a better set at
> Home Depot.
>
> (I was told to start with the hole saw and drill several holes around
> it's perimeter so the saw dust could escape).
>
> Darren Harris
> Staten Island, New York.
Darren Harris,
Would you describe the technique of drilling holes around the perimeter of
the hole saw? Hadn't heard of this trick before.
Thanks,
Kerry
Searcher7 <[email protected]> wrote in news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-
[email protected]:
> I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>
> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>
> I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Darren Harris
> Staten Island, New York.
I had the same problem and dulled some good and nice bits (not Firstner
ones). Then I found the switch that reverses the drill and turned it
back into the real drilling position rather than the reversing position
...
--
Best regards
Han
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"djcordes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Best bits I've encountered are the Bad Dog bits. I'd give them a try!
> http://www.baddogtools.com/dotnetnuke/Tools/RoverBits.aspx
>
I'll take your word on that however I can warn you to steer way clear if
their normal looking carbide tipped twist bits. I bought a set at the show
last and returned them the next day with 2 broken bits. According to the
guys selling the bits they are not intended for mild steel and mild steel
will break them. Hummmmmmm. Either way they are made in China and probably
the worst quality I have ever seen coming out of China.
Truly one of the best brands for woodworking bits is Colt. I have several
of their brad point bits, specifically "5 STAR Brad points Bits", not their
less expensive ones. Colt also makes Forstner style bits. With a Colt 5
Star 3/8" bit I can drill through a piece of oak or oak plywood with no
support on the back side and get no tear out as the bit exits the back side
of the wood.
On Feb 19, 6:05=A0pm, "WW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >>I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
> >> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
> >> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>
> >> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
> >> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
> >> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>
> >> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> >> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> >> bit I picked up:
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D330378965487
>
> > Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool. =A0Fors=
tner
> > bits are intended to be used in a drill press. =A0I would suggest a hol=
e saw
> > for your drill.
> >I agree with Leon. I only use this type of bit in a drill press. Pressur=
e
> >is needed for best results. WW
Ok, thanks.
That's what I thought.
I did initially try the hole saw, but since the hole saw set I have is
also cheap, it started to wobble. As a result a 1-1/4" hole saw made a
1-5/16" hole. I check and the pilot drill wobbles in the free spinning
hand drill, but I don't know if this happened before or after my first
drilling attempt. Nevertheless, I'll have to pick up a better set at
Home Depot.
(I was told to start with the hole saw and drill several holes around
it's perimeter so the saw dust could escape).
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:06:20 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:19:01 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 20, 7:08 am, Larry Jaques
>>><[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops
>>>> with a simple
>>>> spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but a
>>>> few had up to
>>>> 1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic
>>>> liner, that will
>>>> be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut
>>>> holes for
>>>> electrical cord plugs to "escape."
>
>Without any proof beyond hearsay, an installer who worked
>with laminate
>liked to warm it up with a heat gun as a deterrent to
>tearout. I'd want to
>practice that little maneuver before relying on it.
Maybe warm it to 120F, but if you got it really hot, I firmly believe
that it would tend to lose cohesive strength and tear instead of chip.
>>>Thanks. I can't find my spade bit at the moment, but just
>>>in case. Did
>>>you use a hand or table drill?
>>
>> I think the handy drill was the old B&D 3/8" corded VSR
>> with the HF
>> 1/2" chuck on it. I wouldn't hesitate to use one in a
>> brace, though.
>> It'd be slower but doable.
>
>
>A handy accessory is one of those portable
>stands (complete with its own chuck) which fits on to power
>drills. "General" is one brand among others. Though I use
>them
>to assure a perpendicular hole and measured penetration on
>immovable
>objects where that is important, they are advertised for use
>in maintaining
>angles; however, lack of any need wouldn't allow my
>guarantee for
>use at acute numbers.
I bought one (back when they were $20. Gawd, look at the prices now!
<thud>) and still use it on rare occasion.
>You're a hero if you can manage using an eggbeater for more
>than
>breakfast. They get collected for distribution to the third
>world when
>found cheaply.
I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier on the bod.
http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for breakfast
this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk together with the
eggs using a fork.
--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
"Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>
> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>
> I intend to pick up a good hole saw, as opposed to the cheap wobbly
> ones I already have, to get this project done, but really wanted to
> know where I went wrong with the Forstner bits.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Darren Harris
> Staten Island, New York.
The Best bits I've encountered are the Bad Dog bits. I'd give them a try!
http://www.baddogtools.com/dotnetnuke/Tools/RoverBits.aspx
Larry Jaques wrote:
> I said "brace", not "eggbeater, Ed. They're much easier on the bod.
> http://tinyurl.com/6ac82ka Festering price, wot?
> http://tinyurl.com/66atlaz for drilling eggs?
>
> And for eggs, I use a fork. AAMOF, I made French toast for breakfast
> this morning and stirred the milk and coconut milk together with the
> eggs using a fork.
aren't you supposed to use a router to mix eggs?
"Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Searcher7 wrote:
>> On Feb 19, 6:05 pm, "WW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top
>>>>> material using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10
>>>>> seconds barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>>>
>>>>> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
>>>>> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
>>>>> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>>>
>>>>> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I
>>>>> am using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the
>>>>> "Forster" bit I picked up:
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>>>
>>>> Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool.
>>>> Forstner bits are intended to be used in a drill press. I would
>>>> suggest a hole saw for your drill.
>>>> I agree with Leon. I only use this type of bit in a drill press.
>>>> Pressure is needed for best results. WW
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> That's what I thought.
>>
>> I did initially try the hole saw, but since the hole saw set I have is
>> also cheap, it started to wobble. As a result a 1-1/4" hole saw made a
>> 1-5/16" hole. I check and the pilot drill wobbles in the free spinning
>> hand drill, but I don't know if this happened before or after my first
>> drilling attempt. Nevertheless, I'll have to pick up a better set at
>> Home Depot.
>>
>> (I was told to start with the hole saw and drill several holes around
>> it's perimeter so the saw dust could escape).
>>
>> Darren Harris
>> Staten Island, New York.
>
> Darren Harris,
> Would you describe the technique of drilling holes around the perimeter of
> the hole saw? Hadn't heard of this trick before.
> Thanks,
> Kerry
>
>Start hole saw to mark the area (about 1/16 th inch deep) then drill about
>5/16th holes just inside the internal cut. Maybe 4 or 5 spaced around the
>circumference. This will allow the saw dust to drop through and prevents
>binding of saw blade. WW
"Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>
> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool. Forstner
bits are intended to be used in a drill press. I would suggest a hole saw
for your drill.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:19:01 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 20, 7:08 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops with a simple
>> spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but a few had up to
>> 1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic liner, that will
>> be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut holes for
>> electrical cord plugs to "escape."
>
>Thanks. I can't find my spade bit at the moment, but just in case. Did
>you use a hand or table drill?
I think the handy drill was the old B&D 3/8" corded VSR with the HF
1/2" chuck on it. I wouldn't hesitate to use one in a brace, though.
It'd be slower but doable.
>And did you start on the laminated side?
ABSOLUTELY! Laminate is sheets of paper with phenolic resin, all
heat-pressed together. Attempting to drill from the backside would
likely result in long strips of laminate surface ripping off.
>I'm not too worried about "chipout" as long as the laminated side is
>clean. But I'd use a sacrificial board underneath anyway.
Always.
--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
"Searcher7" wrote in message
news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
> bit I picked up:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
The 2" el cheapo Forstner bit I used on a project awhile back got dull in a
hurry and caused problems. But when I coughed up the money for a good bit
(FAMAG) the tearout and other problems I had been encountering went away.
So I wouldn't be surprised that bits costing $1.50 each might not give you
great results.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:19:01 -0800 (PST), Searcher7
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 20, 7:08 am, Larry Jaques
>><[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>> Darren, I've successfully cut holes in laminate tops
>>> with a simple
>>> spade bit. It left no chipout in 90% of the holes, but a
>>> few had up to
>>> 1/8" of chipping. If you line the hole with plastic
>>> liner, that will
>>> be covered, but as I said, most looked perfect. I cut
>>> holes for
>>> electrical cord plugs to "escape."
Without any proof beyond hearsay, an installer who worked
with laminate
liked to warm it up with a heat gun as a deterrent to
tearout. I'd want to
practice that little maneuver before relying on it.
>>
>>Thanks. I can't find my spade bit at the moment, but just
>>in case. Did
>>you use a hand or table drill?
>
> I think the handy drill was the old B&D 3/8" corded VSR
> with the HF
> 1/2" chuck on it. I wouldn't hesitate to use one in a
> brace, though.
> It'd be slower but doable.
A handy accessory is one of those portable
stands (complete with its own chuck) which fits on to power
drills. "General" is one brand among others. Though I use
them
to assure a perpendicular hole and measured penetration on
immovable
objects where that is important, they are advertised for use
in maintaining
angles; however, lack of any need wouldn't allow my
guarantee for
use at acute numbers.
You're a hero if you can manage using an eggbeater for more
than
breakfast. They get collected for distribution to the third
world when
found cheaply.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
>
>
>>And did you start on the laminated side?
>
> ABSOLUTELY! Laminate is sheets of paper with phenolic
> resin, all
> heat-pressed together. Attempting to drill from the
> backside would
> likely result in long strips of laminate surface ripping
> off.
>
>
>>I'm not too worried about "chipout" as long as the
>>laminated side is
>>clean. But I'd use a sacrificial board underneath anyway.
>
> Always.
>
> --
> The more passions and desires one has,
> the more ways one has of being happy.
> -- Charlotte-Catherine
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Searcher7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:41198ad5-4371-4c6d-b348-5de546b7d2bb@q14g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>I was attempting to drill some holes in laminated counter-top material
>> using a "Forstner" bit in a hand drill and after 5 to 10 seconds
>> barely managed to chip the laminate itself.
>>
>> I figured that perhaps I should be drilling from the non-laminated
>> side and flipped the board over. Outside of the point of the bit it
>> didn't even make a scratch. ?!?
>>
>> So I was hoping to get feedback on whether the problem was that I am
>> using the wrong tools or is it just the cheap quality of the "Forster"
>> bit I picked up:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330378965487
>
>
> Could be a combination of cheap and the wrong bit for the tool. Forstner
> bits are intended to be used in a drill press. I would suggest a hole saw
> for your drill.
>I agree with Leon. I only use this type of bit in a drill press. Pressure
>is needed for best results. WW